Sheep -- You have too many excuses for poor Wii games. Here is the real truth.

"But, but, but the developers didn't realize the Wii was going to be so ridiculously popular so they didn't prepare many titles for Wii!!" Yeah, sheep.Ubisoft had many games in the works for Wii even during E306. We all know how most of those games turned out....

"But, but, but developers didn't get the kits in time!" Wow, I've heard this b4 with Xbox 360, PS2, PS3, Gamecube. Excuses, excuses.

"But, but, but developers haven't learned the intricate details of the wiimote!" Uh, huh...believe that if it makes you feel better sheep. But here is the real truth. The devs care more about the 360 and PS3 than Wii. Look at Ubisoft. Most Ubisoft ports aren't that great, I realize that. But they are particularly terrible on Wii. They are MUCH BETTER at porting games to PS3. Hmmmm.....wonder why that is. Oh! I know! It is because they CARE MORE about the PS3 than the Wii.

Now, I'm not a fanboy, even though it may seem that way. I have a Wii and enjoy it. But sheep need to understand that devs don't take the Wii seriously, even with it selling amazingly well.

Understand this sheep. Wii will have the same droughts (maybe even worse) as Gamecube even with the amazing sales. Why? Because developers don't like the Wii! Ok! Get it? Do you REALLY think Chris Hecker is the only one cursing Wii at the moment? Heck no! He speaks for a lot of developers.

The sad truth is this...A majority of developers making games for Wii feel like they are doing a disservice to themselves in their own eyes. They feel like they can't expand the scope of their "plans" with Wii. Wii only has so much graphics and physics tech at its disposal. It doesn't have much RAM either. Devs are pissed they have to make games for Wii. That is the cold, hard truth. And, even as a shemming, I know this.

I'm not claiming I have a crystal ball. I'm not claiming I know what others think. I'm stating the obvious...Developers DO NOT WANT TO SUPPORT THE WII NO MATTER WHAT. What does this mean? It means that Wii is going to have an absolutely atrocious game library throughout its lifespan. Sure, it will occassionally have some great games. MP3, SMG, SSBB come to mind. Notice something...where are the great 3rd party games? But then....BOOM! Dryspell, drought...call it what you want. It is going to happen again just like it did with Gamecube.

Just ask yourselves this question sheep. Think about this. Since Wii is selling so well, and since Wii is about to surpass Xbox 360 sales soon, then WHY AREN'T MORE GREAT LOOKING MULTIPLATS COMING TO WII? Sheep will say...."because the Wii controller wouldn't work with the games as well".That is NOT THE REASON. Wiimote is NOT THE PROBLEM. The reason isthat developers are worried that 1st party software on Wii is all that will sell, just like the Gamecube era. Therefore, there are many multiplats not coming to Wii. Also, the multiplats that ARE coming to Wii are going to be subpar attempts with poor porting jobs. Why? Because 3rd party developers want to SPEND AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE on Wii game development.

Ok? Get the picture? Good. This is how it is, like it or not. I don't like it. But I recognize what is happening. I wish other shemmings or sheep would too...

Flame me all you want. But consider for a moment that I'm correct in my assessment. It is not a pretty picture....

"But, but, but the developers didn't realize the Wii was going to be so ridiculously popular so they didn't prepare many titles for Wii!!" Yeah, sheep.Ubisoft had many games in the works for Wii even during E306. We all know how most of those games turned out....

"But, but, but developers didn't get the kits in time!" Wow, I've heard this b4 with Xbox 360, PS2, PS3, Gamecube. Excuses, excuses.

"But, but, but developers haven't learned the intricate details of the wiimote!" Uh, huh...believe that if it makes you feel better sheep. But here is the real truth. The devs care more about the 360 and PS3 than Wii. Look at Ubisoft. Most Ubisoft ports aren't that great, I realize that. But they are particularly terrible on Wii. They are MUCH BETTER at porting games to PS3. Hmmmm.....wonder why that is. Oh! I know! It is because they CARE MORE about the PS3 than the Wii.

Now, I'm not a fanboy, even though it may seem that way. I have a Wii and enjoy it. But sheep need to understand that devs don't take the Wii seriously, even with it selling amazingly well.

Understand this sheep. Wii will have the same droughts (maybe even worse) as Gamecube even with the amazing sales. Why? Because developers don't like the Wii! Ok! Get it? Do you REALLY think Chris Hecker is the only one cursing Wii at the moment? Heck no! He speaks for a lot of developers.

The sad truth is this...A majority of developers making games for Wii feel like they are doing a disservice to themselves in their own eyes. They feel like they can't expand the scope of their "plans" with Wii. Wii only has so much graphics and physics tech at its disposal. It doesn't have much RAM either. Devs are pissed they have to make games for Wii. That is the cold, hard truth. And, even as a shemming, I know this.

I'm not claiming I have a crystal ball. I'm not claiming I know what others think. I'm stating the obvious...Developers DO NOT WANT TO SUPPORT THE WII NO MATTER WHAT. What does this mean? It means that Wii is going to have an absolutely atrocious game library throughout its lifespan. Sure, it will occassionally have some great games. MP3, SMG, SSBB come to mind. Notice something...where are the great 3rd party games? But then....BOOM! Dryspell, drought...call it what you want. It is going to happen again just like it did with Gamecube.

Just ask yourselves this question sheep. Think about this. Since Wii is selling so well, and since Wii is about to surpass Xbox 360 sales soon, then WHY AREN'T MORE GREAT LOOKING MULTIPLATS COMING TO WII? Sheep will say...."because the Wii controller wouldn't work with the games as well".That is NOT THE REASON. Wiimote is NOT THE PROBLEM. The reason isthat developers are worried that 1st party software on Wii is all that will sell, just like the Gamecube era. Therefore, there are many multiplats not coming to Wii. Also, the multiplats that ARE coming to Wii are going to be subpar attempts with poor porting jobs. Why? Because 3rd party developers want to SPEND AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE on Wii game development.

Ok? Get the picture? Good. This is how it is, like it or not. I don't like it. But I recognize what is happening. I wish other shemmings or sheep would too...

Flame me all you want. But consider for a moment that I'm correct in my assessment. It is not a pretty picture....

AvIdGaMeR444

aren't you a sheep?

You say you have no crystal ball and you are not telling us what others think.........yet you tell us what the developpers are thinking? Way to contradict yourself there. smashed_pinata

Ok, you bring up a good point. But think about it. What other logical explanation could there be for the sloppy ports? I'm saying that it is so obvious, that it isn't really a "prediction" per say.

[QUOTE="smashed_pinata"]You say you have no crystal ball and you are not telling us what others think.........yet you tell us what the developpers are thinking? Way to contradict yourself there. AvIdGaMeR444

Ok, you bring up a good point. But think about it. What other logical explanation could there be for the sloppy ports? I'm saying that it is so obvious, that it isn't really a "prediction" per say.

Well i get where you're coming from. I believe the reason devs are rushing games to market is because they know they will sell even if the games suck, because of the success of the Wii. HOWEVER, some devs (retro for example) are taking time to make the game using the Wii to its fullest, which ALL devs need to do. They need to get off their asses and start putting in some effort. Its not for certain sloppy ports and such will be coming forever, devs can and NEED to put more effort into their games, and i think we just need to be patient.

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

"But, but, but the developers didn't realize the Wii was going to be so ridiculously popular so they didn't prepare many titles for Wii!!" Yeah, sheep.Ubisoft had many games in the works for Wii even during E306. We all know how most of those games turned out....

"But, but, but developers didn't get the kits in time!" Wow, I've heard this b4 with Xbox 360, PS2, PS3, Gamecube. Excuses, excuses.

"But, but, but developers haven't learned the intricate details of the wiimote!" Uh, huh...believe that if it makes you feel better sheep. But here is the real truth. The devs care more about the 360 and PS3 than Wii. Look at Ubisoft. Most Ubisoft ports aren't that great, I realize that. But they are particularly terrible on Wii. They are MUCH BETTER at porting games to PS3. Hmmmm.....wonder why that is. Oh! I know! It is because they CARE MORE about the PS3 than the Wii.

Now, I'm not a fanboy, even though it may seem that way. I have a Wii and enjoy it. But sheep need to understand that devs don't take the Wii seriously, even with it selling amazingly well.

Understand this sheep. Wii will have the same droughts (maybe even worse) as Gamecube even with the amazing sales. Why? Because developers don't like the Wii! Ok! Get it? Do you REALLY think Chris Hecker is the only one cursing Wii at the moment? Heck no! He speaks for a lot of developers.

The sad truth is this...A majority of developers making games for Wii feel like they are doing a disservice to themselves in their own eyes. They feel like they can't expand the scope of their "plans" with Wii. Wii only has so much graphics and physics tech at its disposal. It doesn't have much RAM either. Devs are pissed they have to make games for Wii. That is the cold, hard truth. And, even as a shemming, I know this.

I'm not claiming I have a crystal ball. I'm not claiming I know what others think. I'm stating the obvious...Developers DO NOT WANT TO SUPPORT THE WII NO MATTER WHAT. What does this mean? It means that Wii is going to have an absolutely atrocious game library throughout its lifespan. Sure, it will occassionally have some great games. MP3, SMG, SSBB come to mind. Notice something...where are the great 3rd party games? But then....BOOM! Dryspell, drought...call it what you want. It is going to happen again just like it did with Gamecube.

Just ask yourselves this question sheep. Think about this. Since Wii is selling so well, and since Wii is about to surpass Xbox 360 sales soon, then WHY AREN'T MORE GREAT LOOKING MULTIPLATS COMING TO WII? Sheep will say...."because the Wii controller wouldn't work with the games as well".That is NOT THE REASON. Wiimote is NOT THE PROBLEM. The reason isthat developers are worried that 1st party software on Wii is all that will sell, just like the Gamecube era. Therefore, there are many multiplats not coming to Wii. Also, the multiplats that ARE coming to Wii are going to be subpar attempts with poor porting jobs. Why? Because 3rd party developers want to SPEND AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE on Wii game development.

Ok? Get the picture? Good. This is how it is, like it or not. I don't like it. But I recognize what is happening. I wish other shemmings or sheep would too...

Flame me all you want. But consider for a moment that I'm correct in my assessment. It is not a pretty picture....

monkeysrfat

aren't you a sheep?

I am a shemming (sheep/lemming). Even so, I still hold this viewpoint. I like Wii. I really do. I think the game selection is pretty poor though. In videogame history, the console that sells the most month after month gets the best games. This just isn't happening with Wii. I had to draw my own conclusions.And it really is logical. There are devs who want to "expand their horizons" and for whatever reason (graphics, processing power, audio, not enough RAM) they feel like Wii is "holding them back" from their goals. They are mad as hell. They also didn't predict Wii would sell this well. No one could. But sheep use the excuse that devs didn't have enough time to prepare. Yeah, right....The phenominal E306 showing didn't tip anyone off that Wii might be a hit? Come on now.No, the truth is that devs just don't want to program for Wii. It is too "inferior" in their eyes. That is the reason why many 3rd party games now, and in the future, will look like floating turds. 3rd parties won't ever put as much effort into a Wii title as a PS3 title even though PS3 is selling the worst. Doesn't make sense, does it? But, that is the case here.

I wouldn't call myself a certified sheep, I'm too casual for that (which probably places me firmly into the Wii owning demographic), but I can't say I agree 100% with your post. There's already a couple of examples of multiplats that have been ported to the Wii and demonstrated an improvement in the process ... RE4 (obviously) and Madden'08 (according to IGN, of course I'd have to check Gamespots anti-Wii biased review (j/k) for that to be contradicted).

Yep, that's just a couple of examples and sure they don't demonstrate a trend at all, but it shows some hope at least.

As far as the developers are concerned, I'm certain they're not all so short sighted to think that they're being crippled by the lack of HD/Hard Disk and bigger AI/Physics potential when in return they get to experiment with a new method of interacting with games.

The actual programmers/designers might not like the Wii, but the businesses that fund them certainly will considering that it costs a fraction of the cost of developing a 360/PS3 game on the Wii and there's a very good chance of seeing a healthy return on investment in the process. Of course, that's also good justification for shovelware.

Ultimately only time will tell, the potential's there for some great games on the Wii. IMO!

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

[QUOTE="smashed_pinata"]You say you have no crystal ball and you are not telling us what others think.........yet you tell us what the developpers are thinking? Way to contradict yourself there. smashed_pinata

Ok, you bring up a good point. But think about it. What other logical explanation could there be for the sloppy ports? I'm saying that it is so obvious, that it isn't really a "prediction" per say.

Well i get where you're coming from. I believe the reason devs are rushing games to market is because they know they will sell even if the games suck, because of the success of the Wii. HOWEVER, some devs (retro for example) are taking time to make the game using the Wii to its fullest, which ALL devs need to do. They need to get off their asses and start putting in some effort. Its not for certain sloppy ports and such will be coming forever, devs can and NEED to put more effort into their games, and i think we just need to be patient.

I agree. All devs need to take their time to pump out great games. However, Retro Studios is 2nd party, not 3rd. Nintendo LITERALLY owns them. 3rd parties aren't owned by Nintendo, and can make sloppy ports left and right, even though that is the wrong way to do things. 3rd parties will NEVER EVER put in the dedication that Retro Studios and Nintendo themselves will into Wii projects. That is the cold, hard truth and is what makes me fear Wii's future the most.

[QUOTE="smashed_pinata"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

[QUOTE="smashed_pinata"]You say you have no crystal ball and you are not telling us what others think.........yet you tell us what the developpers are thinking? Way to contradict yourself there. AvIdGaMeR444

Ok, you bring up a good point. But think about it. What other logical explanation could there be for the sloppy ports? I'm saying that it is so obvious, that it isn't really a "prediction" per say.

Well i get where you're coming from. I believe the reason devs are rushing games to market is because they know they will sell even if the games suck, because of the success of the Wii. HOWEVER, some devs (retro for example) are taking time to make the game using the Wii to its fullest, which ALL devs need to do. They need to get off their asses and start putting in some effort. Its not for certain sloppy ports and such will be coming forever, devs can and NEED to put more effort into their games, and i think we just need to be patient.

I agree. All devs need to take their time to pump out great games. However, Retro Studios is 2nd party, not 3rd. Nintendo LITERALLY owns them. 3rd parties aren't owned by Nintendo, and can make sloppy ports left and right, even though that is the wrong way to do things. 3rd parties will NEVER EVER put in the dedication that Retro Studios and Nintendo themselves will into Wii projects. That is the cold, hard truth and is what makes me fear Wii's future the most.

Hmm well ok then. Still EA has made some decent games ( madden for example) that can give us hope. The DS had a rocky start, and now it has many great 3rd party games.

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"][QUOTE="smashed_pinata"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

[QUOTE="smashed_pinata"]You say you have no crystal ball and you are not telling us what others think.........yet you tell us what the developpers are thinking? Way to contradict yourself there. smashed_pinata

Ok, you bring up a good point. But think about it. What other logical explanation could there be for the sloppy ports? I'm saying that it is so obvious, that it isn't really a "prediction" per say.

Well i get where you're coming from. I believe the reason devs are rushing games to market is because they know they will sell even if the games suck, because of the success of the Wii. HOWEVER, some devs (retro for example) are taking time to make the game using the Wii to its fullest, which ALL devs need to do. They need to get off their asses and start putting in some effort. Its not for certain sloppy ports and such will be coming forever, devs can and NEED to put more effort into their games, and i think we just need to be patient.

I agree. All devs need to take their time to pump out great games. However, Retro Studios is 2nd party, not 3rd. Nintendo LITERALLY owns them. 3rd parties aren't owned by Nintendo, and can make sloppy ports left and right, even though that is the wrong way to do things. 3rd parties will NEVER EVER put in the dedication that Retro Studios and Nintendo themselves will into Wii projects. That is the cold, hard truth and is what makes me fear Wii's future the most.

Hmm well ok then. Still EA has made some decent games ( madden for example) that can give us hope. The DS had a rocky start, and now it has many great 3rd party games.

Sigh, this is consoles not handhelds. Try comparing the wii to the ps2 launch. Sheep tend to say "but teh ps2 had no good games at launch or "its teh less powerful" but yet ps2 slaughters wii when you compare both there launches. But hey, sheep are to busy staring at the sales rather then playing the wii games.

[QUOTE="smashed_pinata"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"][QUOTE="smashed_pinata"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

[QUOTE="smashed_pinata"]You say you have no crystal ball and you are not telling us what others think.........yet you tell us what the developpers are thinking? Way to contradict yourself there. ganon42

Ok, you bring up a good point. But think about it. What other logical explanation could there be for the sloppy ports? I'm saying that it is so obvious, that it isn't really a "prediction" per say.

Well i get where you're coming from. I believe the reason devs are rushing games to market is because they know they will sell even if the games suck, because of the success of the Wii. HOWEVER, some devs (retro for example) are taking time to make the game using the Wii to its fullest, which ALL devs need to do. They need to get off their asses and start putting in some effort. Its not for certain sloppy ports and such will be coming forever, devs can and NEED to put more effort into their games, and i think we just need to be patient.

I agree. All devs need to take their time to pump out great games. However, Retro Studios is 2nd party, not 3rd. Nintendo LITERALLY owns them. 3rd parties aren't owned by Nintendo, and can make sloppy ports left and right, even though that is the wrong way to do things. 3rd parties will NEVER EVER put in the dedication that Retro Studios and Nintendo themselves will into Wii projects. That is the cold, hard truth and is what makes me fear Wii's future the most.

Hmm well ok then. Still EA has made some decent games ( madden for example) that can give us hope. The DS had a rocky start, and now it has many great 3rd party games.

Sigh, this is consoles not handhelds. Try comparing the wii to the ps2 launch. Sheep tend to say "but teh ps2 had no good games at launch or "its teh less powerful" but yet ps2 slaughters wii when you compare both there launches. But hey, sheep are to busy staring at the sales rather then playing the wii games.

I don't really understand why you can't compare handhelds to consoles and vice versa. The DS perfectly represents the Wii, as does the PSP with the PS3. The two handhelds share the same philosophy as their console counterparts. The games we see on the handhelds also have their equivalents on the consoles. They even represent one another through their respective sales. Why can't we compare the two? The handhelds foreshadowed quite a bit when it came to their console cousins, no?

Poor wii games? I know theres a lot of random stuff out there but I own all the good ones in my opinion.

RE 4 Wii Edition (This port perfected the game)
Excite Truck (this is fun, i really dont know how anyone could say its not fun but there ya go)
SSX blur (Something that takes a fair amount of skill... because of this lots of people get angry... why? because they hate the fact that they are doing it wrong and its not something that can be perfect every time liek a buttom combo)
Metal Slug (Its a collection of arcrade games that just rock?)
Wii Sports (A pack in that provides endless hours of multiplayer)
Zelda (A zelda title thats a good solid game)
Rayman (Fun wacky collection of minigames that try to develop the scope of motion available)

3 of these are nintendo made, Excite, zelda and Sports.
RE 4 is capcom
metal slug is ... forget
blur is EA
Rayman is ubisoft

If you looked at the games on 360 and ps3 i think you will find there are abotu the same ratio of crap games

Also U mentioned ubisoft? they admitted to shoving out crap for money. so u cant really use em because they then said thye were going to pick up their act.

The sad truth is this...A majority of developers making games for Wii feel like they are doing a disservice to themselves in their own eyes. They feel like they can't expand the scope of their "plans" with Wii. Wii only has so much graphics and physics tech at its disposal. It doesn't have much RAM either. Devs are pissed they have to make games for Wii. That is the cold, hard truth. And, even as a shemming, I know this.

I'm not claiming I have a crystal ball. I'm not claiming I know what others think. I'm stating the obvious...Developers DO NOT WANT TO SUPPORT THE WII NO MATTER WHAT. What does this mean? It means that Wii is going to have an absolutely atrocious game library throughout its lifespan. Sure, it will occassionally have some great games. MP3, SMG, SSBB come to mind. Notice something...where are the great 3rd party games? But then....BOOM! Dryspell, drought...call it what you want. It is going to happen again just like it did with Gamecube.

AvIdGaMeR444

I'm sorry but how in the hell do you expect me to take your post seriously? The Wii's future is very unpredictable, specially in comparison to the cube.

I however do think some of you are quickly falling into the negative hype of the Wii, for no apparent reasons specially at this point in time.

The Wii is not following the cubes strategy, it is gaining a huge sucess and support in comparison to its predecessors and that is more then a good enough excuse in comparison to the above. E3 and TGS is just arround the corner if it doens't go well then you have more then enough reasons to put your claims above, because as of now I see no valid reasons at all to some of those claims.

To the current subject: My excuse is the late arival of the Wii dev. kits. Maybe I might blame the greedy developer for putting out a cheap, shallow game, but I understand where they are coming from. They have had the kits for less than a year. They want to make money, and they want to make a lot. When is the best time to do that? When the system is popular. So they are all pumping out these "casual" games that they hardly spent any time on just to cash in while the console is still super hot. It is sad, but logical. Devs. are not the richest people in the world you know.coreygames

True but that was Nintendos fault. Hell even with PS3 they had a lot more time to experience with it then the Wii.

Nintendo blew it. They should have handled the situation differently.

[QUOTE="coreygames"]To the current subject: My excuse is the late arival of the Wii dev. kits. Maybe I might blame the greedy developer for putting out a cheap, shallow game, but I understand where they are coming from. They have had the kits for less than a year. They want to make money, and they want to make a lot. When is the best time to do that? When the system is popular. So they are all pumping out these "casual" games that they hardly spent any time on just to cash in while the console is still super hot. It is sad, but logical. Devs. are not the richest people in the world you know.StealthSting

True but that was Nintendos fault. Hell even with PS3 they had a lot more time to experience with it then the Wii.

Nintendo blew it. They should have handled the situation differently.

I don't understand why it's selling so well when all it has is a few good games and tons of crap. reservoir_doggy

I don't understand why it's selling so well when all it has is a few good games and tons of crap. reservoir_doggy

The PS2 has its fair share of bad games. I'd say for every great game it has, there are at least 20 bad games for it.

Now IM not A fanboy. But I REALLY DO like to use capital LETTERS a lot. Blablabla

NO HERE IS THE REAL TRUTH !!!!1!!!1one!11!!

The Wii has better graphics than the Xbox 360

[QUOTE="reservoir_doggy"]I don't understand why it's selling so well when all it has is a few good games and tons of crap. chipface-z

The PS2 has its fair share of bad games. I'd say for every great game it has, there are at least 20 bad games for it.

PS2 had a variety of games. Wii doesn't and i don't think will have with that controller. The controller is sellig the wii at the moment, once tahat and Nintendo's big 1st party games die down....it's GC over again.

Whether or not Wii games that are currently out now are good or not is your opinion. Why don't we wait and see what some of the second wave hyped games have to offer, like Dewey, Boogie, and RE:UC, before we throw some of those theories out completely.

One thing to keep in mind is that while Wii may never get some of the games that take full advantage of the 360 and PS3 graphics and physics capabilities, PS3 and 360 will not get the games that fully take advantage of the Wii's capabilities either.

i love the stupid argument of "Developers need more time to learn the wiimote!!!!"

what? do you need an MBA on Oxford to learn the intrincate details of this piece of alien tehcnology? :lol:

Note to the Writer: Find another system to bash please. I have begun to not read the first posts in you grade a quality threads because of your complete inability to see outside of short comings for the Wii/ Nintendo and never anything else. I never see you promote the 360 or PS3, I never see you claim their faults either. All you do day in and day out is bash the Wii. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't own a current gen. console the way you talk. Lastly, if that is a picture of you as your avatar... To the current subject: My excuse is the late arival of the Wii dev. kits. Maybe I might blame the greedy developer for putting out a cheap, shallow game, but I understand where they are coming from. They have had the kits for less than a year. They want to make money, and they want to make a lot. When is the best time to do that? When the system is popular. So they are all pumping out these "casual" games that they hardly spent any time on just to cash in while the console is still super hot. It is sad, but logical. Devs. are not the richest people in the world you know.coreygames

I bashPS3 a lot as well, not just Wii. I occasionally bash Xbox 360 as well. So, you arewrong there. You are also wrong assuming I own nocurrent gen consoles. I have a Wii andXbox 360.And that avatar is Angry Video Game Nerd, and I think most people here knowthisbecause he has a big internet following now among gamers.

What you said about developers is sad, but it is NOT logical. It is not logical because developers should know full well that the way to sell games is to make them very good on Wii. They know full well they have to compete with 1st party Nintendo games. And shoveling out crap won't get the job done. Then they complain about how their games aren't selling. Gee! I wonder why! :roll:

[QUOTE="smashed_pinata"]You say you have no crystal ball and you are not telling us what others think.........yet you tell us what the developpers are thinking? Way to contradict yourself there. AvIdGaMeR444

Ok, you bring up a good point. But think about it. What other logical explanation could there be for the sloppy ports? I'm saying that it is so obvious, that it isn't really a "prediction" per say.

The Devs, that's all.

I can only think of one thing ...with the Wii not being an extremely challenging machine to dev for, and graphics NOT being the biggest draw of the Wii, and the success of the Wii, developers see easy $$$$$$$ and are slightly lazy. Some devs are actually trying to do a good job, some ports might be easy to port over making a few changes and a damn good game. But the lure of easy $$$$$ is cursing some of these games.

Its common knowledge that 3rd parties think the Wii is a joke. I mean what would you rather have? Soul Caliber 4 or Soul Caliber Legends? Final Fantasy 13 or Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles? Resident Evil 5 or Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles? etcCarmilla31

An honest gamer would pick all the choices on the left.

Fanboys...the right.

i see your point but i disagree with you - Developers are recently starting to support the Wii with better titles. I can already name 5 3rd Party titles i want for the Wii, that i know will end up great. - GH3, Soul Calibur Legends, Zach and Wiki, No More Heroes, and Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers

They have some BAD 3rd Party games, but we're also seeing commited development towards the Wii from many companies - Many games look great, but a lot look horrible.

This thread grows truer every day. Nights. Mario and Sonic Olympics. Yuck. Bread_or_Decide

And every PS3 / 360 title is at least AA, yes? :roll:

[QUOTE="Carmilla31"]Its common knowledge that 3rd parties think the Wii is a joke. I mean what would you rather have? Soul Caliber 4 or Soul Caliber Legends? Final Fantasy 13 or Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles? Resident Evil 5 or Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles? etcBread_or_Decide

An honest gamer would pick all the choices on the left.

Fanboys...the right.

No, sir, an honest gamer would choose both. A fanboy would only choice right or left.

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[QUOTE="smashed_pinata"]You say you have no crystal ball and you are not telling us what others think.........yet you tell us what the developpers are thinking? Way to contradict yourself there. ganon42

Ok, you bring up a good point. But think about it. What other logical explanation could there be for the sloppy ports? I'm saying that it is so obvious, that it isn't really a "prediction" per say.

Well i get where you're coming from. I believe the reason devs are rushing games to market is because they know they will sell even if the games suck, because of the success of the Wii. HOWEVER, some devs (retro for example) are taking time to make the game using the Wii to its fullest, which ALL devs need to do. They need to get off their asses and start putting in some effort. Its not for certain sloppy ports and such will be coming forever, devs can and NEED to put more effort into their games, and i think we just need to be patient.

I agree. All devs need to take their time to pump out great games. However, Retro Studios is 2nd party, not 3rd. Nintendo LITERALLY owns them. 3rd parties aren't owned by Nintendo, and can make sloppy ports left and right, even though that is the wrong way to do things. 3rd parties will NEVER EVER put in the dedication that Retro Studios and Nintendo themselves will into Wii projects. That is the cold, hard truth and is what makes me fear Wii's future the most.

Hmm well ok then. Still EA has made some decent games ( madden for example) that can give us hope. The DS had a rocky start, and now it has many great 3rd party games.

Sigh, this is consoles not handhelds. Try comparing the wii to the ps2 launch. Sheep tend to say "but teh ps2 had no good games at launch or "its teh less powerful" but yet ps2 slaughters wii when you compare both there launches. But hey, sheep are to busy staring at the sales rather then playing the wii games.

Any intelligent cow (not that there are many) would tell you that the PS2's launch lineup essentially sucked aside from a few decent games. The only game I remember playing around launch time was Devil May Cry 1, other then that there really were no outstanding games at the time that caught my interest. I waited a while to get the PS2 though after the slim came out, no regrets so far.

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[QUOTE="Carmilla31"]Its common knowledge that 3rd parties think the Wii is a joke. I mean what would you rather have? Soul Caliber 4 or Soul Caliber Legends? Final Fantasy 13 or Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles? Resident Evil 5 or Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles? etcArisShadows

An honest gamer would pick all the choices on the left.

Fanboys...the right.

No, sir, an honest gamer would choose both. A fanboy would only choice right or left.

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[QUOTE="Carmilla31"]Its common knowledge that 3rd parties think the Wii is a joke. I mean what would you rather have? Soul Caliber 4 or Soul Caliber Legends? Final Fantasy 13 or Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles? Resident Evil 5 or Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles? etcArisShadows

An honest gamer would pick all the choices on the left.

Fanboys...the right.

No, sir, an honest gamer would choose both. A fanboy would only choice right or left.

Now, I'm not a fanboy, 

AvIdGaMeR444

I will agree that right now that there is a lack of good third party games out right now. I also agree that the Wii won't recieve the blockbuster titles that the 360/PS3 gets. Thats why I also have a 360.But the Wii is forcing devs to stop and put games that do play to the Wii's strength. EA has been doing a good job with the controls.

Maybe the Wii does end up being a home to manly mini games and non hardcore games like GeOW. But quite honestly I'm getting interested in some of those titles like Forever Blue, de Blob, Space Station Tycoon, Ghost Squad andMushroom Men. And if they do Jenga well I might even get thatto play on arainy day.

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[QUOTE="Carmilla31"]Its common knowledge that 3rd parties think the Wii is a joke. I mean what would you rather have? Soul Caliber 4 or Soul Caliber Legends? Final Fantasy 13 or Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles? Resident Evil 5 or Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles? etcCarmilla31

An honest gamer would pick all the choices on the left.

Fanboys...the right.

No, sir, an honest gamer would choose both. A fanboy would only choice right or left.

People dont buy a Wii for Soul Calibur Legends my friend. They buy it for Nintendo's outstanding First Party Support. What comes with the Wii happens to be a Rail Shooter that is not possible on any other console, an inovative RPG that is nothing like traditional FF's, and an Action title that is not a Fighter.

I would choose both because that is what gamers do.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="Carmilla31"]Its common knowledge that 3rd parties think the Wii is a joke. I mean what would you rather have? Soul Caliber 4 or Soul Caliber Legends? Final Fantasy 13 or Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles? Resident Evil 5 or Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles? etcArisShadows

An honest gamer would pick all the choices on the left.

Fanboys...the right.

No, sir, an honest gamer would choose both. A fanboy would only choice right or left.

Yup, I would prefer all of them, but then again I also dont like to limit my choices as to what games I play. Knowing that the Wii and DS both support Wifi online play, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles will be good in both installments. Fanboys would probably choose the left though cause a lot of them dont like spinoffs.

I will agree that right now that there is a lack of good third party games out right now. I also agree that the Wii won't recieve the blockbuster titles that the 360/PS3 gets. Thats why I also have a 360.But the Wii is forcing devs to stop and put games that do play to the Wii's strength. EA has been doing a good job with the controls.

Maybe the Wii does end up being a home to manly mini games and non hardcore games like GeOW. But quite honestly I'm getting interested in some of those titles like Forever Blue, de Blob, Space Station Tycoon, Ghost Squad andMushroom Men. And if they do Jenga well I might even get thatto play on arainy day.

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I personally cannot wait for Ghost Squad, the arcade version felt a lot like Time Crisis, which for some reason the 4th installment is on the PS3, oh well. Either way there are some neat games coming out like Boogie which will be more unique then rehashes of some franchises.