Shogun 2 is the graphics king. Crysis got dethroned.

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#1 DreamCryotank
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Behold... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ872cTYj44

All in game. :)

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#2 Dibdibdobdobo
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still doesnt look as good uncharted 2, killzone 3 and life itself.
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#3 SwagSurf
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Have fun believing that :)

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#4 moistsandwich
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Umm... waiting to be impressed... *yawn*

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#5 Dynafrom
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Shogun 2 DOESN'T look good. Leave it to rest.
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#6 Kinthalis
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The game is technically impressive in that there's literraly THOUSANDS of troops on the field all having these little battles with each other. This is a lot more impressive, TEHCNICALLY, than anything on Crysis 2.

But purely from a visual quality, graphics on an FPS like Crysis 2 are a lot better.

They should be. Crysis 2 isn't rendering whole armies, just a few dozen mobs tops.

I don't think a video card capable of rendering tens of thousands of troops at the quality of Crysis 2 exists yet.

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#7 Frozzik
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Upon seeing my 1st huge battle, zooming in and panning round and taking in all the detail I was speechless. Sure it does need the DX11 patch to enable AA but it still looks unbelievable. Without a doubt in my mind this is graphics king, technically Atleast. This is one game that just could not be done on console. Not to the scale and detail levels we see on PC.
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#8 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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Wait for the DX11 patch to come before we see its true potential
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The game is technically impressive in that there's literraly THOUSANDS of troops on the field all having these little battles with each other. This is a lot more impressive, TEHCNICALLY, than anything on Crysis 2.

But purely from a visual quality, graphics on an FPS like Crysis 2 are a lot better.

They should be. Crysis 2 isn't rendering whole armies, just a few dozen mobs tops.

I don't think a video card capable of rendering tens of thousands of troops at the quality of Crysis 2 exists yet.

Kinthalis

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The game is technically impressive in that there's literraly THOUSANDS of troops on the field all having these little battles with each other. This is a lot more impressive, TEHCNICALLY, than anything on Crysis 2.

But purely from a visual quality, graphics on an FPS like Crysis 2 are a lot better.

They should be. Crysis 2 isn't rendering whole armies, just a few dozen mobs tops.

I don't think a video card capable of rendering tens of thousands of troops at the quality of Crysis 2 exists yet.

Kinthalis
its not really that impressive, what would have been impressive if there was phyiscis on the grass in the field they were running through with some god rays behind them, some better looking models since they don't seem to have many polys, its not like the first game to have tons of things on screen at once
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#11 DreamCryotank
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still doesnt look as good uncharted 2, killzone 3 and life itself.Dibdibdobdobo

Not sure if serious....

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[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

The game is technically impressive in that there's literraly THOUSANDS of troops on the field all having these little battles with each other. This is a lot more impressive, TEHCNICALLY, than anything on Crysis 2.

But purely from a visual quality, graphics on an FPS like Crysis 2 are a lot better.

They should be. Crysis 2 isn't rendering whole armies, just a few dozen mobs tops.

I don't think a video card capable of rendering tens of thousands of troops at the quality of Crysis 2 exists yet.

savagetwinkie
its not really that impressive, what would have been impressive if there was phyiscis on the grass in the field they were running through with some god rays behind them, some better looking models since they don't seem to have many polys, its not like the first game to have tons of things on screen at once

Just out of curiosity what other games have armies the size of shogun 2? With the detail, different between units too, with the animations and map sizes as well as effects that shogun 2 has.
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Scale-based Graphics Sultans are boring.

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Haha, that was amazing!
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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

The game is technically impressive in that there's literraly THOUSANDS of troops on the field all having these little battles with each other. This is a lot more impressive, TEHCNICALLY, than anything on Crysis 2.

But purely from a visual quality, graphics on an FPS like Crysis 2 are a lot better.

They should be. Crysis 2 isn't rendering whole armies, just a few dozen mobs tops.

I don't think a video card capable of rendering tens of thousands of troops at the quality of Crysis 2 exists yet.

Frozzik
its not really that impressive, what would have been impressive if there was phyiscis on the grass in the field they were running through with some god rays behind them, some better looking models since they don't seem to have many polys, its not like the first game to have tons of things on screen at once

Just out of curiosity what other games have armies the size of shogun 2? With the detail, different between units too, with the animations and map sizes as well as effects that shogun 2 has.

To be honest, the AI in shogun 2 SUCKS. When you operate a full stack and an intense battle goes on, it can take over 30s for any command to register.
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#16 i5750at4Ghz
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What I'm hearing is scale no longer matters. If so Fight night champion instant graphics king.
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[QUOTE="Dynafrom"][QUOTE="Frozzik"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] its not really that impressive, what would have been impressive if there was phyiscis on the grass in the field they were running through with some god rays behind them, some better looking models since they don't seem to have many polys, its not like the first game to have tons of things on screen at once

Just out of curiosity what other games have armies the size of shogun 2? With the detail, different between units too, with the animations and map sizes as well as effects that shogun 2 has.

To be honest, the AI in shogun 2 SUCKS. When you operate a full stack and an intense battle goes on, it can take over 30s for any command to register.

I have had a few issues with huge battles when it comes to AI. Nothing major. Certainly doesn't affect the GFX, which is what this thread is about. I'm sure most issues, like previous TW games with be patched.
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still doesnt look as good uncharted 2, killzone 3 and life itself.Dibdibdobdobo
True, but it still dont change the fact a console will explode trying to run this game.
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#19 PAL360
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still doesnt look as good uncharted 2, killzone 3 and life itself.Dibdibdobdobo

You are probably not serious but here it goes: There are like 50 PC games that look better than anything on PS3. Even Crysis 2 on consoles...i mean, on 360 :twisted: :P

On topic, i agree with TC. Shogun 2 looks simply incredible, especially considering it´s scale and amount of units!

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#20 110million
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Technical graphics should encompass visuals and scale, a fighter looking better than a 60 hour RPG for example should not make the fighter automaticlally superior. Therefore Shogun 2 is king, at least for me. :)
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#21 NanoMan88
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Ah consolites dismissing rts games, can your games render huge terrain with thousands of soldiers fighting each other? If small scale but great gfx is all that matters on system wars there are plenty of benchmarks that just render the most awesome looking fuzzy cube.

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#22 Fizzman
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Shogun is definitely up there in regards to graphics king. The attention to detail and scale is incredible.

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#23 MK-Professor
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Shogun 2 have amazing graphics and huge scale and at the same time can maintain very good fps. Defiantly the most technically impressive game out there.

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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]still doesnt look as good uncharted 2, killzone 3 and life itself.PAL360

You are probably not serious but here it goes: There are like 50 PC games that look better than anything on PS3. Even Crysis 2 on consoles...i mean, on 360 :twisted: :P

On topic, i agree with TC. Shogun 2 looks simply incredible, especially considering it´s scale and amount of units!

"While the engine analysis based on like-for-like footage suggests an advantage to the Xbox 360 version of Crysis 2, as we can see in these extensive tests, performance can be very, very variable and the small variations in frame-rate we see previously give way to some much bigger differences, depending on the level of action on-screen. The unavoidable conclusion we came to is that when frame-rate does crash in those affected areas, it's actually Crysis 2 on PS3 that holds up better."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-crysis2-face-off?page=2

Really now, I'd say they're equivalent to eachother. Besides, anything on PC >> PS3/360

On topic,

Crysis looks a billion times better than this crap.

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This game is amazing...Graphics are awesome and will get even more awesome in a bit. The scale of battles is HUGE!!!! You can get invaded at any time by a huge army or navy and you have plan everything out correctly or else you will def. lose. GOTY Contender Right Here IMO. Anyone who hasn't even played it and criticize it; just Shhhhh...
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#26 moistsandwich
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Technical graphics should encompass visuals and scale, a fighter looking better than a 60 hour RPG for example should not make the fighter automaticlally superior. Therefore Shogun 2 is king, at least for me. :)110million

Yah.. but at what point does the scale of it not matter anymore? Oblivion is better than Crysis?

If you have to consider scale, and I'm not saying you dont have to, then Just Cause 2 >>>>>>> Crysis

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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]This game is amazing...Graphics are awesome and will get even more awesome in a bit. The scale of battles is HUGE!!!! You can get invaded at any time by a huge army or navy and you have plan everything out correctly or else you will def. lose. GOTY Contender Right Here IMO. Anyone who hasn't even played it and criticize it; just Shhhhh...

Well that is the issue here. I keep seeing people who are usually talking consoles commenting on a game I'm not sure they have played. I hate that. They should put steam name in sig so we can see their played time lol, jk. Anyway, I'm loving it, had to defend a town today against 3 huge seige's in a row. So glad I had lots of archers with plenty of experience and skills up. Was awsome. Love this game so much.
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The game is technically impressive in that there's literraly THOUSANDS of troops on the field all having these little battles with each other. This is a lot more impressive, TEHCNICALLY, than anything on Crysis 2.

But purely from a visual quality, graphics on an FPS like Crysis 2 are a lot better.

They should be. Crysis 2 isn't rendering whole armies, just a few dozen mobs tops.

I don't think a video card capable of rendering tens of thousands of troops at the quality of Crysis 2 exists yet.

Kinthalis

The thread title is about graphics king, not army king. Way to take something out of context and pass it off as being within context. And you know why the video is in slow motion? Because if it wasn't, the framerate drop will be noticeable. Shogun 2 isn't taxing on the GPU. It's taxing on CPU, rendering independant movements of hundreds of soldiers. If you simply play around with the graphic setting, you'll notice that lower quality of anything doesn't do much (or as much as you'd hope) to improve the framerate, implying again that the GPU isn't likely the bottleneck. Hence, we shouldn't be talking about graphics king when the CPU is more of a concern than the GPU.

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No way. This game look horrible thanks to the lack of AA, but technically it's an impressive game.
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#30 Frozzik
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[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

The game is technically impressive in that there's literraly THOUSANDS of troops on the field all having these little battles with each other. This is a lot more impressive, TEHCNICALLY, than anything on Crysis 2.

But purely from a visual quality, graphics on an FPS like Crysis 2 are a lot better.

They should be. Crysis 2 isn't rendering whole armies, just a few dozen mobs tops.

I don't think a video card capable of rendering tens of thousands of troops at the quality of Crysis 2 exists yet.

jhcho2

The thread title is about graphics king, not army king. Way to take something out of context and pass it off as being within context. And you know why the video is in slow motion? Because if it wasn't, the framerate drop will be noticeable. Shogun 2 isn't taxing on the GPU. It's taxing on CPU, rendering independant movements of hundreds of soldiers. If you simply play around with the graphic setting, you'll notice that lower quality of anything doesn't do much (or as much as you'd hope) to improve the framerate, implying again that the GPU isn't likely the bottleneck. Hence, we shouldn't be talking about graphics king when the CPU is more of a concern than the GPU.

What? Did I understand that right? Because the game uses lots of CPU power it shouldn't be considered for graphics king? WUT? Rofl. My system is on my sig, as of yet I have had 0 issues with performance. I run everything on ultra and high ( depending on which is the highest)
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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]still doesnt look as good uncharted 2, killzone 3 and life itself.PAL360

You are probably not serious but here it goes: There are like 50 PC games that look better than anything on PS3. Even Crysis 2 on consoles...i mean, on 360 :twisted: :P

On topic, i agree with TC. Shogun 2 looks simply incredible, especially considering it´s scale and amount of units!

Is this a face in which you would take serious.

Well......

Is it???

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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]still doesnt look as good uncharted 2, killzone 3 and life itself.Dibdibdobdobo

You are probably not serious but here it goes: There are like 50 PC games that look better than anything on PS3. Even Crysis 2 on consoles...i mean, on 360 :twisted: :P

On topic, i agree with TC. Shogun 2 looks simply incredible, especially considering it´s scale and amount of units!

Is this a face in which you would take serious.

Well......

Is it???

Yes, yes of course :P

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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]still doesnt look as good uncharted 2, killzone 3 and life itself.Dibdibdobdobo

You are probably not serious but here it goes: There are like 50 PC games that look better than anything on PS3. Even Crysis 2 on consoles...i mean, on 360 :twisted: :P

On topic, i agree with TC. Shogun 2 looks simply incredible, especially considering it´s scale and amount of units!

Is this a face in which you would take serious.

Well......

Is it???

No I'd call the police, I ****ing hate clowns. KILL IT WITH FIRE!

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It is ridiculously good. This is a strategy game, not a shooter or action title. The scale and detail are unmatched.
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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

You are probably not serious but here it goes: There are like 50 PC games that look better than anything on PS3. Even Crysis 2 on consoles...i mean, on 360 :twisted: :P

On topic, i agree with TC. Shogun 2 looks simply incredible, especially considering it´s scale and amount of units!

blue_hazy_basic

Is this a face in which you would take serious.

Well......

Is it???

No I'd call the police, I ****ing hate clowns. KILL IT WITH FIRE!

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A lot of people think napoleon total war looks better.

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It's a technical marvel, consoles would melt!
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#38 Frozzik
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A lot of people think napoleon total war looks better.

topgunmv
I believe that is simply the AA issue. When zoomed out it does look a little jaggie. Once the dx11 patch hits we should be able to enable AA in game
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It's a technical marvel, consoles would melt!ToScA-
You mean PS3 would melt. The 360 melts already. :lol:
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[QUOTE="ToScA-"]It's a technical marvel, consoles would melt!Cherokee_Jack
You mean PS3 would melt. The 360 melts already. :lol:

ps3 would melt..360 would explode :lol:
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#41 DreamCryotank
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A lot of people think napoleon total war looks better.

topgunmv

After playing both, I personally think Shogun 2 looks better. Although I'm slightly biased because I love Samurais. :P

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How are you getting anti-aliasing?
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#43 deadesa
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Technically amazing and visually great, but not AMAZING. Still a beautiful game but Crysis has it beat just from a visual stand point
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Technically amazing and visually great, but not AMAZING. Still a beautiful game but Crysis has it beat just from a visual stand pointdeadesa
The visuals in S2 impress me more than Crysis. From technical standpoint not artistic.
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To be honest, the AI in shogun 2 SUCKS. When you operate a full stack and an intense battle goes on, it can take over 30s for any command to register.Dynafrom
That is not an AI issue. You have to understand that during those intense battles, the CPU has to calculate all information regarding each unit (yours and the enemies) and also still has to be able to handle parts of the core engine.

In games like these, any command will start to take a long time to register once you have a large amount of units since the CPU can only handly so many commands during each cycle the program is running.

The faster your processor, the better a game of this genre will run and also the user commands will register faster. That said, even the best of processors can be brought down to their knees the more intense the battles get.

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#46 Litchie
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Shogun 2 is too big to look as good as Crysis.

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#47 Inconsistancy
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No, not even close... it's pretty for what it does, but, no surprise, the character models are pretty low quality, and the ai is bad, can't run great ai on that scale, or anything else.
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How are you getting anti-aliasing?Fightingfan
AA can be forced through the graphics card drivers.
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How are you getting anti-aliasing?Fightingfan
Force teh AA!
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#50 Warhawk_
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Sorry but Crysis looked way better then the game. I mean it looks ok but come on, with the game that requires you to use a Intel Core i5 and with ether a ATI HD 5000 and 6000 or the Nvidia GT 240 series, with 20 GB of free hard disk space, and 4 GB of ram, I would think that the game would blow Crysis away but no with a game with that much of a high requirement it doesn't really impress me that much.