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#1 iammason
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Okay, I think to many people complain about games being too short. One examlpe people keep refering to is Gears of War. Do you people realize how much it costs to make a video game now? MILLIONS. Some developers can't afford to make long games because it may cost way too much. Also, games are probably going to get a lot shorter, as video games go more main stream. I mean, if you think about it, no casual is going to want to spend 40+ hours on a game, plus, its all about online and multiplayer now.
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#2 ZebethOrZebes
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Then I'll be buying less and less.
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#3 Shazenab
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So a game like oblivion made bethesda go bust?
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So a game like oblivion made bethesda go bust?Shazenab
Well, they did charge for horse armor. Maybe that's the reason.
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#5 flazzle
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I personally would rather spend $10 for a shorter game and $30 for a long one. I just finished Baten Katos and it took me over 60 hours (I know, I suck). I wouldn't mind if it ended at 20. The worst scenario is when you spend $50 on a short game with little replayability.
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#6 Baird-06
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Gears isn't short. I've already had probably about 100 hours of play time with it. ;)
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#7 shadow_lord_11
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People act like the shortness of a game is a hinderance. its accually a benefit. If a game is great, you'd want to replay it. Its much easier/satisfactory to replay a 10 hour game, than a 50 hour game. games length is overrated.
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#8 Cpt_Apollo
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Length, however, is all a matter of opinion. For example, I rented TMNT and beat it in less than one day. I call that a short game. But a game like Gears of War gives you incentive to keep playing over and over. This is one reason why I think that achievements might be the biggest innovation this gen because the games give you more and more reason to them in ways that you might have never thought playing them.
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People act like the shortness of a game is a hinderance. its accually a benefit. If a game is great, you'd want to replay it. Its much easier/satisfactory to replay a 10 hour game, than a 50 hour game. games length is overrated. shadow_lord_11
Lies. I'd rather it continue to suck me in then just beat it and play it again. I'd rather play 1 great 60 hours game than 4 great 10 hour games. Easy. (Also better for my wallet).
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#10 iammason
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I'd also like to add that if a game is too short or too easy, why dont you all just crank up the difficulty. Gears definately is reall fun on insane, whether your playing alone or with a friend.
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I mean, if you think about it, no casual is going to want to spend 40+ hours on a game, plus, its all about online and multiplayer now.iammason

MMO's, GTA, The Sims, and other highly replyable games with no real end in sight say: "You are wrong."

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#12 bakalhau90
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Okay, I think to many people complain about games being too short. One examlpe people keep refering to is Gears of War. Do you people realize how much it costs to make a video game now? MILLIONS. Some developers can't afford to make long games because it may cost way too much. Also, games are probably going to get a lot shorter, as video games go more main stream. I mean, if you think about it, no casual is going to want to spend 40+ hours on a game, plus, its all about online and multiplayer now.iammason


It's way too relative, there are games like Uno that cost practically nothing when compared to Gears and yet manage to have longer replay value than many games out there (who gets tires of card games really? I've played Uno for like 10 years now).
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[QUOTE="Shazenab"]So a game like oblivion made bethesda go bust?Jandurin
Well, they did charge for horse armor. Maybe that's the reason.

I don't think they'd have devoted 4 years of development time on a game that would lose them money... If not them, then the funding of the publisher.
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Wow...maybe not everyone wants a game focused on online...I Prefer Resistance coop over Resistance online, developers need to focus on single player more and stop abandoning it.
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Shazenab"]So a game like oblivion made bethesda go bust?Shazenab
Well, they did charge for horse armor. Maybe that's the reason.

I don't think they'd have devoted 4 years of development time on a game that would lose them money... If not them, then the funding of the publisher.

I was really totally joking.
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Multiplayer and Online is the future. But I do enjoy long and deep games.
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#17 Vandalvideo
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Who said Gears was "short"? I will smack them for being wrong. Gears is the average length of a TPS game. You wanta short game? See Warioware.
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#18 Shazenab
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[QUOTE="Shazenab"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Shazenab"]So a game like oblivion made bethesda go bust?Jandurin
Well, they did charge for horse armor. Maybe that's the reason.

I don't think they'd have devoted 4 years of development time on a game that would lose them money... If not them, then the funding of the publisher.

I was really totally joking.

Yeah.. So.. Was.. I...
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#19 iammason
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[QUOTE="iammason"]I mean, if you think about it, no casual is going to want to spend 40+ hours on a game, plus, its all about online and multiplayer now.XaosII

MMO's, GTA, The Sims, and other highly replyable games with no real end in sight say: "You are wrong."


MMO's, maybe. GTA? I don't think so. A lot of my friends who play games casually I know for a fact have not even beaten SA. I don't know what to say about the Sims though, I've never played it and I don't really know many people who do because they never talk about it.
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#20 Grive
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Actually, game lenght is not directly proportional to cost.

 

This is to say, a game might cost $10 million and be 10 hours long. Making it 20 hours long maybe would cost $12 million, not 20.

 

This is because there are many fixed costs to making a game: The engine will cost the same. The character designs will. The whole design, story and scripting will not increase lineally. The percentage of art and texturing to be done is smaller than the percentage increase of the game. It's just appending and increasing the story and making some new maps, maybe adding a couple weapons, and some new textures.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Who said Gears was "short"? I will smack them for being wrong. Gears is the average length of a TPS game. You wanta short game? See Warioware.

I spent 2+hours on WarioWare playing just one of the mini-games. Not that I own it, that's the only thing I really did.
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Who said Gears was "short"? I will smack them for being wrong. Gears is the average length of a TPS game. You wanta short game? See Warioware.

Hardly, all the Ratchet games are 20 hours +. And many FPS have at least 12 hours of single-player.
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#23 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Who said Gears was "short"? I will smack them for being wrong. Gears is the average length of a TPS game. You wanta short game? See Warioware.

I spent 2+hours on WarioWare playing just one of the mini-games. Not that I own it, that's the only thing I really did.

The story mode only lasted me 2 hours, and all my friends are cows. They refuse to play with me. WAAAAAH. They was my guiding factor in trading in the Wii.
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[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]People act like the shortness of a game is a hinderance. its accually a benefit. If a game is great, you'd want to replay it. Its much easier/satisfactory to replay a 10 hour game, than a 50 hour game. games length is overrated. Jandurin

Lies. I'd rather it continue to suck me in then just beat it and play it again.

I'd rather play 1 great 60 hours game than 4 great 10 hour games. Easy. (Also better for my wallet).

well it depends.

what if 1 of those 4 great 10 hour games has great multiplayer? You could just as easily spend 10 hours playing halo campeing, and the 50 hours multiplayer for the same price.

 

Also, longer games (traditionaly rpgs) dont have multiplayer whereas shorter games do. You cant just say that a 10 hour game is a ten hour game and be done with it. gears may be 8-10 hours but it also has multiplayer. that leads to unlimited bang for the buck.  

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#25 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="bakalhau90"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Who said Gears was "short"? I will smack them for being wrong. Gears is the average length of a TPS game. You wanta short game? See Warioware.

Hardly, all the Ratchet games are 20 hours +. And many FPS have at least 12 hours of single-player.

Gears is about 10-12 hours, the average length of most games liket hat. Ratchet is more of an action adventure game than a TPS to begin with.
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]People act like the shortness of a game is a hinderance. its accually a benefit. If a game is great, you'd want to replay it. Its much easier/satisfactory to replay a 10 hour game, than a 50 hour game. games length is overrated. shadow_lord_11


Lies. I'd rather it continue to suck me in then just beat it and play it again.

I'd rather play 1 great 60 hours game than 4 great 10 hour games. Easy. (Also better for my wallet).

well it depends.

what if 1 of those 4 great 10 hour games has great multiplayer? You could just as easily spend 10 hours playing halo campeing, and the 50 hours multiplayer for the same price.

 

Also, longer games (traditionaly rpgs) dont have multiplayer whereas shorter games do. You cant just say that a 10 hour game is a ten hour game and be done with it. gears may be 8-10 hours but it also has multiplayer. that leads to unlimited bang for the buck.  

I don't do the multiplayer thing these days. Probably will again at some point, but not at the moment.
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I don't know, 90% of the time I play Ratchet games I am shooting while in a 3rd person view... could be wrong though.
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#28 shadow_lord_11
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[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]People act like the shortness of a game is a hinderance. its accually a benefit. If a game is great, you'd want to replay it. Its much easier/satisfactory to replay a 10 hour game, than a 50 hour game. games length is overrated. Jandurin


Lies. I'd rather it continue to suck me in then just beat it and play it again.

I'd rather play 1 great 60 hours game than 4 great 10 hour games. Easy. (Also better for my wallet).

well it depends.

what if 1 of those 4 great 10 hour games has great multiplayer? You could just as easily spend 10 hours playing halo campeing, and the 50 hours multiplayer for the same price.

 

Also, longer games (traditionaly rpgs) dont have multiplayer whereas shorter games do. You cant just say that a 10 hour game is a ten hour game and be done with it. gears may be 8-10 hours but it also has multiplayer. that leads to unlimited bang for the buck.


I don't do the multiplayer thing these days. Probably will again at some point, but not at the moment.

well in that case i guess longer games are better for you. But another problem which arises with longer games is that once your done, your pretty much DONE. i dont know about you, but i cant stomach the thought of playing a 50 hour game again most times. wheres i go through games like RE4 and Metroid Prime 2-3 times because they are so good, and not very time consuming.
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#29 Vandalvideo
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Shadow: Meh depends. Long RPGs you can go back and play every for years for nostalgia purposes. I made it a habit to play Suikoden every other month and that game easily lasts 100 hours +.
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well in that case i guess longer games are better for you. But another problem which arises with longer games is that once your done, your pretty much DONE. i dont know about you, but i cant stomach the thought of playing a 50 hour game again most times. wheres i go through games like RE4 and Metroid Prime 2-3 times because they are so good, and not very time consuming. shadow_lord_11
Yeah, very few really long games have I played multiple times. Chrono Trigger and FFVI being notable exceptions. And Chrono Cross. Played em all 3 times at least.
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Everytime someone says games these days are really short, I have to go back to 2001...And think of this game.

 

Just like Gears of War QUALITY > QUANTITY in some cases... 

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I don't do the multiplayer thing these days. Probably will again at some point, but not at the moment.Jandurin

 

Yeah, that's not the game's fault.  it's more of a problem of your preference than the game's actual content. In some cases, it's like ordering, say, a Santa Fe or Mojave salad, and claim it doesn't have enough content because you don't eat lettuce.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]
I don't do the multiplayer thing these days. Probably will again at some point, but not at the moment.Grive

 

Yeah, that's not the game's fault.  it's more of a problem of your preference than the game's actual content. In some cases, it's like ordering, say, a Santa Fe or Mojave salad, and claim it doesn't have enough content because you don't eat lettuce.

Umm. Sure, if you say so. I never complained, and I don't buy them. I was just commenting. On a side note, is there a place on this website or any where they list the average time it takes to complete a game?