So at first I was very bent on not getting a new console until the next generation. But I have softened up to the idea and decided I need something new anyway, as I have a 4K tv. So the Xbox one S seems like a good way to get exclusives and an entertainment system in one for a very cheap price. I have never had an Xbox before. On the other hand the PS4 pro seems like it would benefit my TV more but it has no blu-ray player and it seems like my PS4 I have already+ power. Advice?
So at first I was very bent on not getting a new console until the next generation. But I have softened up to the idea and decided I need something new anyway, as I have a 4K tv. So the Xbox one S seems like a good way to get exclusives and an entertainment system in one for a very cheap price. I have never had an Xbox before. On the other hand the PS4 pro seems like it would benefit my TV more but it has no blu-ray player and it seems like my PS4 I have already+ power. Advice?
Xbone has no exclusives and runs all the worst versions of multiplatform games.
Unless you plan on only watching movies the PS4 Pro is a far better buy.
It's also the logical purchase if you already own a PS4 since it still plays all your regular PS4 games.
@hybrenated: Dont go PS4 Pro, its a 300watt console and uses way too much energy for even simple task like playing cartoons. Think about our earth. If you want a short future for gamers, get PS4 Pro. If you want to help preserve gaming and provide a brighter future for tomorrow, the Xbox One S cut its power consumption in bout half compared to the original Xbox One S. Simply an amazing feat.
You should get an XB1S for the UHD Blu-ray and it has HDR support, and to play any exclusives you can't play on your PS4, but I'd advise you to keep your PS4 for now. At very least you won't be missing out on anything this gen has to throw at you.
That's pretty much what it comes down to. The 4K stuff. yeah the Pro might allow some games to run smoother at 1080p, but it's not guaranteed from what's I've heard so far. Then again, if you don't have a 4K TV then the Xbox One won't be of much use either, besides playing certain games. A PC might be in order here.
I haven't seen one tv on the market right now that doesn't upscale input to 4k, so why even bother getting the ps4 pro?
Different upscale capabilites
Yeah, so? They're both going to look better than 1080p, even if marginally. I don't get your argument. Is it that the sony machine's upscaling will somehow look $400 better than the scaling quality TVs do? I guess one could argue that 1080p/60 upscaled on the ps4pro, if we get any games like that, can be upscaled to 4k/60, which is something that both current consoles can't do for most games.
What he is saying is that not all upscaling is created equal.
Most HDTVs just stretch the image to fit the screen using a hardware scaler, basically formatting to fit the screen properly.
Mid-high end tvs actually have an upscaler that can duplicated or mirror surrounding pixels. This actually adds some pixels to the image so it is sharper than just stretching the image.
PS4 Pro takes a very different method called checkerboard rendering. Basically the PS4 pro renders the equivalent of a 1440p image in a checkerboard pattern and using an algorith, the scaler reads the pixels and fills in the missing pixels. This is a higher quality method because it is done in rendering and not by the tv or a scaler. It looks more natural and gives the illusion of true 4k rather than just a stretched or replicated pixels which creates blur and ghosting.
@hybrenated: Dont go PS4 Pro, its a 300watt console and uses way too much energy for even simple task like playing cartoons. Think about our earth. If you want a short future for gamers, get PS4 Pro. If you want to help preserve gaming and provide a brighter future for tomorrow, the Xbox One S cut its power consumption in bout half compared to the original Xbox One S. Simply an amazing feat.
Think about our children.
What did they ever do to deserve this shat.
I thought we already went through this?
The PS4 Pro isn't going to be a 300 watt console, it simply has a PSU rated at 300 watts. We already know the PS4 Slim with its 16nm based APU consumes around 85 watts, that means the Neo won't likely consume over 190 watts given its specs.
@iandizion713: You are being totally dishonest with your posts about it being 300 watts and you know it. You saying the PS4 Pro is a 300 watt console makes it seem like you think thats what it actually consumes. Stop with the BS.
What he is saying is that not all upscaling is created equal.
Most HDTVs just stretch the image to fit the screen using a hardware scaler, basically formatting to fit the screen properly.
Mid-high end tvs actually have an upscaler that can duplicated or mirror surrounding pixels. This actually adds some pixels to the image so it is sharper than just stretching the image.
PS4 Pro takes a very different method called checkerboard rendering. Basically the PS4 pro renders the equivalent of a 1440p image in a checkerboard pattern and using an algorith, the scaler reads the pixels and fills in the missing pixels. This is a higher quality method because it is done in rendering and not by the tv or a scaler. It looks more natural and gives the illusion of true 4k rather than just a stretched or replicated pixels which creates blur and ghosting.
Gee thanks. lol
We've all seen how it upscales, and it's not worth $400 when basically every tv on the market will do something similar. Thanks for playing. Next!
Wow, you're an idiot.
After he wasted his time trying to explain the different types of upscaling you still came up with that idiot conclusion? LOL.
@iandizion713: You are being totally dishonest with your posts about it being 300 watts and you know it. You saying the PS4 Pro is a 300 watt console makes it seem like you think thats what it actually consumes. Stop with the BS.
Bro you cray cray. PS4 Pro is a 300watt console. Thats a fact. I didnt design it, go whine to Sony.
PS4 Pro's checkerboard rendering is not upscale since 4K frame buffer is still being created.
The checkerboard rendering has skipped odd or even pixels in a checkerboard fashion and the missing pixels interpolated by near neighbor pixels and temporal (using the past frame buffer).
Checkerboard neighbor interpolation method is superior to line neighbor interpolation and up-scaling (copy pixels by X factor).
Compare
1. Checkerboard neighbor interpolation method against original reference picture.
2. Line neighbor interpolation method against original reference picture.
@emgesp: Opps, that was a mistake, PS4 Pro is a 310watt console.
That is the PSU rating. There is no way in hell the PS4 Pro will ever come close to consuming 300+ watts. Not even the PS3 Fat consumed that much with its 300+ watt rated PSU. You'll see in a couple months when Digital Foundry tests it.
What he is saying is that not all upscaling is created equal.
Most HDTVs just stretch the image to fit the screen using a hardware scaler, basically formatting to fit the screen properly.
Mid-high end tvs actually have an upscaler that can duplicated or mirror surrounding pixels. This actually adds some pixels to the image so it is sharper than just stretching the image.
PS4 Pro takes a very different method called checkerboard rendering. Basically the PS4 pro renders the equivalent of a 1440p image in a checkerboard pattern and using an algorith, the scaler reads the pixels and fills in the missing pixels. This is a higher quality method because it is done in rendering and not by the tv or a scaler. It looks more natural and gives the illusion of true 4k rather than just a stretched or replicated pixels which creates blur and ghosting.
Gee thanks. lol
We've all seen how it upscales, and it's not worth $400 when basically every tv on the market will do something similar. Thanks for playing. Next!
No, there is not a TV on the market that renders a game.
Doing it in rendering BEFORE you get the final image on your TV provides a much clearer, higher quality image and allows devs, if they wanted to, to add post process filters to mitigate any blur, ghosting, or aliasing.
TVs just stretch or duplicates pixels, blurring the image either way.
4K upscaling and checkerboard 4k are very different.
PS4 Pros method is just called upscaling because the average consumer wont understand or is patient enough to listen to an explanation.
In actuality it is MUCH different than traditional upscaling methods.
This is why it was at GDC, it was a big deal, a big breakthrough.
So at first I was very bent on not getting a new console until the next generation. But I have softened up to the idea and decided I need something new anyway, as I have a 4K tv. So the Xbox one S seems like a good way to get exclusives and an entertainment system in one for a very cheap price. I have never had an Xbox before. On the other hand the PS4 pro seems like it would benefit my TV more but it has no blu-ray player and it seems like my PS4 I have already+ power. Advice?
If you got PS4 already. Just buy an xbox one slim. You have more choice of new games to play.
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