MS probably will, think they stated as much years ago, Nintendo probably won't as for the last two gens they used their own format to try to cut down on piracy and to avoid having to pay licensing fees of that format, however maybe they'll reverse engineer something similar to blu-ray just for their games.
MS probably will, think they stated as much years ago, Nintendo probably won't as for the last two gens they used their own format to try to cut down on piracy and to avoid having to pay licensing fees of that format, however maybe they'll reverse engineer something similar to blu-ray just for their games.lamprey263
Nintendo is supposedly using a 25GB proprietary format.
Which is something I would expect Nintendo to use they love using different formats because their formats always have the quickest load times of any of the formats and that is something Nintendo loves having hardly any load times.
Its Nintendo. You'd be lucky if they added a DVD player. Actually that would be pretty funny considering how late to the party it would be.
But no I don't think either have to. I do believe MS need more storage space for their games though. Blu-Ray is mainly only needed with PS3 exclusives. If the game is made with PS3 in mind (FFXIII or L.A Noire) it obviously takes a lot more discs to fit on because a lot of the stuff was being added while it was being developed for PS3. However in recent times there have even been multiplatform games (Mass Effect 2) which have consumed DVD space all too quickly.
Nintendo is supposedly using a 25GB proprietary format.
Which is something I would expect Nintendo to use they love using different formats because their formats always have the quickest load times of any of the formats and that is something Nintendo loves having hardly any load times.
Nintendo is supposedly using a 25GB proprietary format.
Which is something I would expect Nintendo to use they love using different formats because their formats always have the quickest load times of any of the formats and that is something Nintendo loves having hardly any load times.
Tony-Baxter
Will their be dual layer discs of that format?I have no idea the rumors are that it is 25GB the same as a single layered Blu-ray disc.
Nintendo will be using their own format. Just as they did with the GC and Wii. Thats why they have such quick load times. Though it will probably be very similar to BluRay.
Definitely. Or at least something comparable. Too many games are coming out on 360 with multiple discs while the PS3 counterpart has just one Blu-Ray. If we can get disc storage up to 75-100GBs next gen, that'd be amazing.
I hope MS skips bluray and goes to something better. KC_Hokie
???
Like what?
Blu-Ray has more than enough storage space so that is a non-issue. The downside of BR with the PS3 was that it was slow, but that wont even be an issue now.
I cant think of a better format for MS to use, nor can I think of a reason MS would even need a better format.
Depends on what the alternative is. If they go with game installations then they can store it on any medium, otherwise they need a bigger format than DVD9, 360 already pushed the limits of that.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I hope MS skips bluray and goes to something better. sandbox3d
???
Like what?
Blu-Ray has more than enough storage space so that is a non-issue. The downside of BR with the PS3 was that it was slow, but that wont even be an issue now.
I cant think of a better format for MS to use, nor can I think of a reason MS would even need a better format.
USB thumb drives are already superior to bluray. By 2013 they'll be priced right for MS to use them instead of bluray.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I hope MS skips bluray and goes to something better. KC_Hokie
???
Like what?
Blu-Ray has more than enough storage space so that is a non-issue. The downside of BR with the PS3 was that it was slow, but that wont even be an issue now.
I cant think of a better format for MS to use, nor can I think of a reason MS would even need a better format.
USB thumb drives are already superior to bluray. By 2013 they'll be priced right for MS to use them instead of bluray. They won't use USB.
Blu-Ray has more than enough storage space so that is a non-issue. The downside of BR with the PS3 was that it was slow, but that wont even be an issue now.
I cant think of a better format for MS to use, nor can I think of a reason MS would even need a better format.
SaltyMeatballs
USB thumb drives are already superior to bluray. By 2013 they'll be priced right for MS to use them instead of bluray. They won't use USB.Why not. It's a better option than paying the bluray cartel for using blurays. Plus, they're superior to blurays.
[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]USB thumb drives are already superior to bluray. By 2013 they'll be priced right for MS to use them instead of bluray.KC_Hokie
They won't use USB.Why not. It's a better option than paying the bluray cartel for using blurays. Plus, they're superior to blurays. How much for a 25GB USB? By then, still a bit even if cheaper than it is right now. Imagine mass production of games, it would cost millions! No one would want that.
it's pretty much inevitable so i don't really care one way or the other.
i don't really think it made a difference for the better with games but in the end i'm glad sony used it so next gen systems get faster cheaper drives.
How much for a 25GB USB? By then, still a bit even if cheaper than it is right now. Imagine mass production of games, it would cost millions! No one would want that.SaltyMeatballs
Why would you need 25 GB? 16 GB would be enough. And after you figure in the bluray cartel fee it would be a smart choice to skip over bluray.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I hope MS skips bluray and goes to something better. KC_Hokie
???
Like what?
Blu-Ray has more than enough storage space so that is a non-issue. The downside of BR with the PS3 was that it was slow, but that wont even be an issue now.
I cant think of a better format for MS to use, nor can I think of a reason MS would even need a better format.
USB thumb drives are already superior to bluray. By 2013 they'll be priced right for MS to use them instead of bluray.
Well even though it surely wont happen, I agree that would be great. My mistake, I assumed you were referring to another disc format.
[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]How much for a 25GB USB? By then, still a bit even if cheaper than it is right now. Imagine mass production of games, it would cost millions! No one would want that.KC_Hokie
Why would you need 25 GB? 16 GB would be enough. And after you figure in the bluray cartel fee it would be a smart choice to skip over bluray.
16GB isn't big enough. Game sizes have gotten around 50GBs a few situations. Going with Bluray or another high-capacity disc is the best option for them.
[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]How much for a 25GB USB? By then, still a bit even if cheaper than it is right now. Imagine mass production of games, it would cost millions! No one would want that.KC_Hokie
Why would you need 25 GB? 16 GB would be enough. And after you figure in the bluray cartel fee it would be a smart choice to skip over bluray. Ok, on eBay 16GB is $20, let's imagine by 2013 it will be $5 though it will be more for sure, then imagine making millions of copies for a game how much that would cost a publisher, and the security for piracy on a USB which will probably do nothing to stop hacking and easily pirate-able.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]How much for a 25GB USB? By then, still a bit even if cheaper than it is right now. Imagine mass production of games, it would cost millions! No one would want that.Phoenix534
Why would you need 25 GB? 16 GB would be enough. And after you figure in the bluray cartel fee it would be a smart choice to skip over bluray.
16GB isn't big enough. Game sizes have gotten around 50GBs a few situations. Going with Bluray or another high-capacity disc is the best option for them.
[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] They won't use USB.SaltyMeatballs
Why not. It's a better option than paying the bluray cartel for using blurays. Plus, they're superior to blurays. How much for a 25GB USB? By then, still a bit even if cheaper than it is right now. Imagine mass production of games, it would cost millions! No one would want that.I'm not sure at the moment but 8GB is around $12.
I don't think they make 25GB but they do make 32GB and that is around $75 depending on the brand.
16GB is anywhere from $22-$55 depending on the brand that makes it.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]How much for a 25GB USB? By then, still a bit even if cheaper than it is right now. Imagine mass production of games, it would cost millions! No one would want that.SaltyMeatballs
Why would you need 25 GB? 16 GB would be enough. And after you figure in the bluray cartel fee it would be a smart choice to skip over bluray. Ok, on eBay 16GB is $20, let's imagine by 2013 it will be $5 though it will be more for sure, then imagine making millions of copies for a game how much that would cost a publisher, and the security for piracy on a USB which will probably do nothing to stop hacking and easily pirate-able.
Very expensive and inconvenient.
Well if MS uses bluray they have to pay fees for the drives themselves and a fee per disk. By 2013 it will make sense to skip over bluray and go with USB flash drives. And everything gets hacked/pirated...bluray hasn't been immune.
Blu-Ray, HD-DVD or a proprietary disk format I don't care as long as it holds allot more data than the 7.9GBs DVDs hold. I guess they could stick with DVDs and have mandatory installs as a solutions as well but games can't be restricted to 7.9GBs again...
[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Why not. It's a better option than paying the bluray cartel for using blurays. Plus, they're superior to blurays.
Nintendo_Ownes7
How much for a 25GB USB? By then, still a bit even if cheaper than it is right now. Imagine mass production of games, it would cost millions! No one would want that.I'm not sure at the moment but 8GB is around $12.
I don't think they make 25GB but they do make 32GB and that is around $75 depending on the brand.
16GB is anywhere from $22-$55 depending on the brand that makes it.
I can buy a SanDisk 16 GB flash drive for $16 today. Which means a large company can probably purchase them in bulk for half that. By 2013 that $8 or so will be down to below $5 if not more like $3.
ooo i just checked....there are 12X BD drives now. that should do it. though the cheapest i could find on newegg at least was 70 dollars. obhiously ninty would pay less than that but....natch. i wonder are ninty going to make GC type modifications. a 12X drive with a dual layer or higher disc would mean lots of space and lots of speed. 25GB should be more then enough (hell 15GB would be fine) for the vast majority of games though (its not going to be super powerful...as rumours go anyway....so if the 360 can get by on 6GB then 25 should be plenty). i really doubt ninty will allow installs like MS and sony so whatever they use itll need to be fast enough. if ninty can get the loading performance out of blu-ray now to get the job done then sure..use blu-ray. however one thing i would like to see is make movie playback optional. it adds about 20 quid to the cost and id rather spend that on games or have it spent on making it a better gaming machine. in this age of online stores and DLC having movie playback seperate and allowing people to download the codecs and player from the store seperately is just a win for everyone. kinda like what MS did with the XBOX1 but in this case its just a quick download.
Sure why not, Blu-Ray has brilliant read speed now, what is it 8x these days? More than anything a DVD drive could ever read anyway... It would help the industry more forward if they all took blu-ray under their wing and we'd see more movies and cheaper blu-ray drives all round.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Why would you need 25 GB? 16 GB would be enough. And after you figure in the bluray cartel fee it would be a smart choice to skip over bluray.KC_Hokie
16GB isn't big enough. Game sizes have gotten around 50GBs a few situations. Going with Bluray or another high-capacity disc is the best option for them.
Are you kidding? What console game is that big?
Killzone 3 was almost 50GB, and Final Fantasy XIII was pretty big as well. Can't name a lot of games, but as we get into the next few years we'll see more.
[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] How much for a 25GB USB? By then, still a bit even if cheaper than it is right now. Imagine mass production of games, it would cost millions! No one would want that.KC_Hokie
I'm not sure at the moment but 8GB is around $12.
I don't think they make 25GB but they do make 32GB and that is around $75 depending on the brand.
16GB is anywhere from $22-$55 depending on the brand that makes it.
I can buy a SanDisk 16 GB flash drive for $16 today. Which means a large company can probably purchase them in bulk for half that. By 2013 that $8 or so will be down to below $5 if not more like $3. Right now Blu-ray manufacturing cost is sub $1 per disc. In 2013 it may well be sub 50 cents a disc (if it isn't already). There is also the matter of the production speed to consider, as the memory cards are not pumped out as fast.
If they aren't, sure, if they've actually fixed Blu-Ray's terrible disc read speed.
dontshackzmii
blu ray is far faster then dvd. just because sony put in the cheapest drive they can get their hands on does not mean its slower.
2x bluray is not faster then 12xdvd it is only equal to the 8x slowest speed of the 12x inner track. It isn't tillyou start getting to 4x bluray that you start surpassing 12x dvd.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]I'm not sure at the moment but 8GB is around $12.
I don't think they make 25GB but they do make 32GB and that is around $75 depending on the brand.
16GB is anywhere from $22-$55 depending on the brand that makes it.
DerekLoffin
I can buy a SanDisk 16 GB flash drive for $16 today. Which means a large company can probably purchase them in bulk for half that. By 2013 that $8 or so will be down to below $5 if not more like $3. Right now Blu-ray manufacturing cost is sub $1 per disc. In 2013 it may well be sub 50 cents a disc (if it isn't already). There is also the matter of the production speed to consider, as the memory cards are not pumped out as fast.But then you have to pay the blurray association fee on top of that. By 2013 USB flash drives will be competitive. And after paying all those bluray fees after the life of a console we're talking about $75+ million.
If they aren't, sure, if they've actually fixed Blu-Ray's terrible disc read speed.
WilliamRLBaker
blu ray is far faster then dvd. just because sony put in the cheapest drive they can get their hands on does not mean its slower.
2x bluray is not faster then 12xdvd it is only equal to the 8x slowest speed of the 12x inner track. Yeah, and as he said, that was pretty much the cheapest drive at the time. There are 12X blu ray drives now which read substantial faster than the fastest DVD drive.
[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I can buy a SanDisk 16 GB flash drive for $16 today. Which means a large company can probably purchase them in bulk for half that. By 2013 that $8 or so will be down to below $5 if not more like $3. KC_Hokie
Right now Blu-ray manufacturing cost is sub $1 per disc. In 2013 it may well be sub 50 cents a disc (if it isn't already). There is also the matter of the production speed to consider, as the memory cards are not pumped out as fast.But then you have to pay the blurray association fee on top of that. By 2013 USB flash drives will be competitive. And after paying all those bluray fees after the life of a console we're talking about $75+ million. Yeah, a few cents a disk and a few dollars on the drive. You make out like the licensing fee is greater than the cost of the disc/drive itself. It isn't. By contrast, you'd be paying full dollars extra per game on flash memory, resulting in millions more in a single year of game production, and on top of that, you won't be able to get the production levels.
[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Right now Blu-ray manufacturing cost is sub $1 per disc. In 2013 it may well be sub 50 cents a disc (if it isn't already). There is also the matter of the production speed to consider, as the memory cards are not pumped out as fast.DerekLoffin
But then you have to pay the blurray association fee on top of that. By 2013 USB flash drives will be competitive. And after paying all those bluray fees after the life of a console we're talking about $75+ million.Yeah, a few cents a disk and a few dollars on the drive. You make out like the licensing fee is greater than the cost of the disc/drive itself. It isn't. By contrast, you'd be paying full dollars extra per game on flash memory, resulting in millions more in a single year of game production, and on top of that, you won't be able to get the production levels. After the lifetime of a console those bluray fees will exceed $75 million dollars. MS would be better off putting that money into a superior format like USB flash drives.
[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]But then you have to pay the blurray association fee on top of that. By 2013 USB flash drives will be competitive. And after paying all those bluray fees after the life of a console we're talking about $75+ million.
KC_Hokie
Yeah, a few cents a disk and a few dollars on the drive. You make out like the licensing fee is greater than the cost of the disc/drive itself. It isn't. By contrast, you'd be paying full dollars extra per game on flash memory, resulting in millions more in a single year of game production, and on top of that, you won't be able to get the production levels. After the lifetime of a console those bluray fees will exceed $75 million dollars. MS would be better off putting that money into a superior format like USB flash drives. Over a lifetime, a $3 usb would be close to 1 billion dollar difference in manufacturing costs. USB is not the cheap option, not by any stretch of the imagination.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Yeah, a few cents a disk and a few dollars on the drive. You make out like the licensing fee is greater than the cost of the disc/drive itself. It isn't. By contrast, you'd be paying full dollars extra per game on flash memory, resulting in millions more in a single year of game production, and on top of that, you won't be able to get the production levels. DerekLoffin
After the lifetime of a console those bluray fees will exceed $75 million dollars. MS would be better off putting that money into a superior format like USB flash drives. Over a lifetime, a $3 usb would be close to 1 billion dollar difference in manufacturing costs. USB is not the cheap option, not by any stretch of the imagination.I would still do it. $3 out of $60 isn't a huge deal for a far superior product. Especially considering no fees would ever be made to the bluray cartel. You also have to figure in the cost of optical drive repairs. They break more than anything else on a console. USB's have no moving parts and produce no heat.
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