Should we refer Xbox 360/ PC releases as Microsoft exclusives since Microsoft is

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Not at all. PC is its own platform, and MS doesn't own it.aaronmullan

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Not at all. PC is its own platform, and MS doesn't own it.savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="cyprusxx"]

This Isnt Operating System Wars!!!!!!!!!, I build my PC and the are no Microsoft parts in it, so why the hell whould i say its a microsoft system, i only use some thier software. If anything maybe you could say PC's are Intel or ATI.

MortalDecay

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Not at all. PC is its own platform, and MS doesn't own it.aaronmullan

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] ORLY? Can you link this? As well as leader or not. They don't own PC gaming regardless

Espada12

We need a sticky for this. MS doesn't make any money off of anything with the games for windows brand.

This is what the games for windows brand stands for.

Oh dear.. MS should delete that ASAP. Any pc gamer will tell you that GFWL is utter crap.

synonymous with PCs?

bphan

Sony make PC's and MS makes the software so they work together in that department.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] not on the mac or linux, but anything that has games for windows logo on it its M$ platform, they do make money off of it, so unless we start dividing PC's into systems, based off of hardware/os, generally PC gaming will be a M$ platform which is why you will see more games on 360/pc that aren't on ps3. Filthybastrd

We need a sticky for this. MS doesn't make any money off of anything with the games for windows brand.

This is what the games for windows brand stands for.

Oh dear.. MS should delete that ASAP. Any pc gamer will tell you that GFWL is utter crap.

Both Windows PCs and 360s are MS platforms. MS created the Xbox as a way of getting royalties for PC games. When a lion's share of pc gamers use linux then I will consider the possibility that they aren't MS exclusive.

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"] You're right...MS doesn't own it at all. But you bought Windows, no doubt to play games, so they're still getting your money.MortalDecay

Both Windows PCs and 360s are MS platforms. MS created the Xbox as a way of getting royalties for PC games. When a lion's share of pc gamers use linux then I will consider the possibility that they aren't MS exclusive.

gamecubepad

[QUOTE="cyprusxx"]

This Isnt Operating System Wars!!!!!!!!!, I build my PC and the are no Microsoft parts in it, so why the hell whould i say its a microsoft system, i only use some thier software. If anything maybe you could say PC's are Intel or ATI.

MortalDecay

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

Both Windows PCs and 360s are MS platforms. MS created the Xbox as a way of getting royalties for PC games. When a lion's share of pc gamers use linux then I will consider the possibility that they aren't MS exclusive.

DontBeHatin1983

That's hardware. Find me some PC games that don't have Windows XP/Vista as a requirement. Microsoft is the proprietor of DirectX, another requirement for most PC games.

Face it, MS is the dominating force in PC gaming. They set the standards.

I don't think Sony fans would like it because it just helps Microsoft and makes them look better which is true

bphan

they are not exclusives but any game that comes on 360 whether it is exclusive or pc360 excklusive and CANT be played at ps3 is considered a win for the ps3 since u will either need a 360 or pc to play it so where fan admit it or not it still is a game they cant play unless they have a 1500$ + rig

MS's only involvement with the PC is the operating system so NO. They dont make make PC's or make any on the internal parts for them.djsifer01

I swear, it's like "context" is a dirty word around here. Is it so difficult to imagine thata gamemight be both exclusive and non-exclusive, depending on the set of systems being discussed?

Except there is, you can't just freely develope for windows, all the tools and to even be able to get the games for windows logo has have certain M$ requirements. If you use M$ tools for free and try to sell anythign expect lawsuits from M$ and your mom to be sodomized by bill gates.savagetwinkie

Nope. System wars, not company wars.

[QUOTE="bphan"]

synonymous with PCs?

MortalDecay

I don't Sony fans would like it because it just helps Microsoft and makes them look better which is true

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]Except there is, you can't just freely develope for windows, all the tools and to even be able to get the games for windows logo has have certain M$ requirements. If you use M$ tools for free and try to sell anythign expect lawsuits from M$ and your mom to be sodomized by bill gates.Teufelhuhn

Lemmings sure are getting desperate.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]Except there is, you can't just freely develope for windows, all the tools and to even be able to get the games for windows logo has have certain M$ requirements. If you use M$ tools for free and try to sell anythign expect lawsuits from M$ and your mom to be sodomized by bill gates.savagetwinkie

Lemmings sure are getting desperate.

Rob-Belmont

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Developing for Windows in general is completely free. You can give away or sell all the windows apps you want, and there are even free tools available from Microsoft that you can use to make them.

Getting the "Games For Windows" logo has certain requirements (listed here and here), but none of them require paying Microsoft money or purchasing tools for them (all of the tools you'd need are free).

Teufelhuhn

A section from the Terms of Use for Visual Studio Express 2008 is shown below:

Unless otherwise specified, the Services are for your personal and non-commercial use. You may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from the Services.

synonymous with PCs?

bphan

i really dont care.who its from.the reason i bought the 360 over the ps3 is(in my opinion)*grabs flamesheild* the 360 has a better library.over what the ps3 has to offer.i dont care if they're "true" exclusives or not. i dont feel like spending tons of money on a gaming pc so i can play mass effect, gears 1, l4d, ect., when theyre exactly the same, with slightly improved graphics.and usually a smaller community.(ill take the better community).

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"] You're right...MS doesn't own it at all. But you bought Windows, no doubt to play games, so they're still getting your money.EVOLV3

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] You can't sell anything with those free tools... not under the license aggrement, if you want to sell stuff you have to pay for them.

savagetwinkie

A section from the Terms of Use for Visual Studio Express 2008 is shown below:

PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL USE LIMITATION.

Unless otherwise specified, the Services are for your personal and non-commercial use. You may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from the Services.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] You can't sell anything with those free tools... not under the license aggrement, if you want to sell stuff you have to pay for them.

savagetwinkie

A section from the Terms of Use for Visual Studio Express 2008 is shown below:

PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL USE LIMITATION.

Unless otherwise specified, the Services are for your personal and non-commercial use. You may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from the Services.

Can I use Express Editions for commercial use?

Yes, there are no licensing restrictions for applications built using Visual Studio Express Editions.

looked more into this and what that actaully ment, but basicly if i try to sell an app using an express edition, i'm actually selling the app and not a license to use it, so they can do anything they want with it, ie: copy it and give it to people. Express is all opensource where if i want a closed source I have to pay M$ for it to dev on windows and be able to enforce a eula.

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

looked more into this and what that actaully ment, but basicly if i try to sell an app using an express edition, i'm actually selling the app and not a license to use it, so they can do anything they want with it, ie: copy it and give it to people. Express is all opensource where if i want a closed source I have to pay M$ for it to dev on windows and be able to enforce a eula.

Teufelhuhn

With BC on the PS3 ( old models and new models also have PS1 BC ), 360 fans would be in big trouble with PS exclusives, the library would consist of PS1, PS2 and PS3 exclusive games.

And console fans would be in big trouble with the PC, the PC would dominate with exclusives from the 80s to this day.

There is no such thing as 360 console exclusive, if you could play it on another platform then its not exclusive.

It just increase the library of 360 when compared to the PS3, again, PS3 owners play PS2 and PS1 games on their PS3 so that is something 360 owners have to deal with too.

[QUOTE="DontBeHatin1983"]

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

Both Windows PCs and 360s are MS platforms. MS created the Xbox as a way of getting royalties for PC games. When a lion's share of pc gamers use linux then I will consider the possibility that they aren't MS exclusive.

gamecubepad

That's hardware. Find me some PC games that don't have Windows XP/Vista as a requirement. Microsoft is the proprietor of DirectX, another requirement for most PC games.

Face it, MS is the dominating force in PC gaming. They set the standards.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"] Cool. Packard Bell are also getting money for my monitor, Nvida for my video card, how about the Government for the electricity? Going to throw that in there too? aaronmullan

This if from people i talked to and what it used to be but so you win with the licensing, but either way the express edition lose alot of tools especialy for large dev companiessavagetwinkie

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"] Talk about missing the point....MortalDecay

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] This if from people i talked to and what it used to be but so you win with the licensing, but either way the express edition lose alot of tools especialy for large dev companieslowe0

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"] Nah, I got your silly point. Who cares if MS get profit for their OS? They still don't control the gaming market for PC, PERIOD.SAGE_OF_FIRE

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="bphan"]

I don't Sony fans would like it because it just helps Microsoft and makes them look better which is true

bphan

But Microsof is the leader of the PC gaming alliance.

[QUOTE="bphan"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] No the PC is a separate platform in itself. MS doesn't own PC gamingcainetao11

But Microsof is the leader of the PC gaming alliance.

synonymous with PCs?

bphan

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] This if from people i talked to and what it used to be but so you win with the licensing, but either way the express edition lose alot of tools especialy for large dev companiessavagetwinkie

That said, you don't even need VSE to program on Windows. There are plenty of other C++ IDEs, if you don't plan on using XNA, or if you really hate yourself, you could always fire up a text editor and gcc :cry:.