Should We Still Hate the Playstation 3?

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#1 Rockman999
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Over the past three years, we've seen what used to be a rather amicable ritual known as the "Console War", degenerate into a series of arguments fueled by review scores, sales data, back-biting, spite, sour grapes, and pretty much everything but a little thing called common sense and reasoning. You expect the fanboys to behave this way; it's in their nature, they're fanboys. Thing is, even the gaming media themselves have gotten swept up in this vitriol spewing debacle that is the current state of the "Console War."

One console over all others has been on the recieving end of so much of that media and gamer hate and bias, that it's no wonder when its sales numbers fail to match up to its nearest competition, let alone its predecessor! That console is, of course, the Playstation 3.

Don't get me wrong, there were reasons to give Sony a hard time…3 years ago!

Since then, however, Sony has changed, and that hate should have dissipated, and yet it hasn't. In truth, it almost seems like it's gotten worse, as the gaming media, and gamers at large really seemed to be furious that they were proven wrong on so many counts.

Yes, Sony was arrogant.
Yes, they made asinine, ludicrous statements.
Yes, the PS3 was expensive (if people had no problem paying $450 for an Xbox 360 Elite, paying $400 for a PS3 shouldn't be suddenly breaking the bank. people paid more than THAT for a WII).
Yes, they showed off a lot of pre-rendered footage instead of actual gameplay.
Yes, the PSN was a literal Ghost Town of content, with weak online features.
And yes, the PS3 had a weak launch line up (although year one games were genuinely very good; Resistance, Motorstorm, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank Future, Folklore, Uncharted, and Unreal Tourament 3. people act as if Lair was the ONLY PS3 title released during 2007, and that Haze was the only PS3 title released during 2008 ).

The point is that as the PSN improved, as the price of the console dropped from $600 to $400, as the game library increased, as useful features began to see implementation (ie, in game XMB access), as more than just one game began to showcase the console's capabilities (GT5 Prologue, MGS4, LBP, Resistance 2, Uncharted, Ratchet, and of course, Killzone 2), the gaming media, and gamers at large should have BACKED OFF of the PS3.

It should be beyond it's growing pains, and "prove yourself stage," and yet it isn't.

Instead of celebrating a $200 DROP in the console's price, meaning it's getting closer to a mainstream price (and $400 isn't too bad when you consider all the features it offers; people pay that much for an iPhone, for Pete's sake), the gaming media instead decided to paint it as a "DOOM AND GLOOM!" Desperation tactic on Sony's part.

Microsoft cuts the price of the 360 TWICE in one year, even when it's clearly ahead of its nearest competition by a few MILLION units, and people pat them on the back, instead of calling it for what it was: a nervous twitch on MS' part, as the PS3, even at nearly TWICE the price of the 360, has managed to half the gap between the competition, and is selling steadily. It even OUTSOLD the 360 for 2007, and kept pace with it for 2008, and who knows, maybe it outsold it in 2008 also.

You have outlets like the Wall Street Journal and the Times predicting the end of Sony and the Playstation because it didn't sell as many software units in November of 2008 than it did in November of 2007, even though, for nearly 7 months out of 2008, it outsold the Xbox 360! But hey, one bad month, and apparently it's all over.

Instead of praising Sony's constant pushing of new IPs and technology (Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Folklore, Motorstorm, Warhawk - it's an old game, but come on, the last Warhawk game came out in 1995 or something, not many but us old timers remembered that game - Heavy Rain, Little Big Planet, a slew of unique PSN titles like Pixel Junk Eden and flOw, etc), the gaming media and gamers at large point fingers and nitpick the games into obscurity (RIP Folklore and Heavenly Sword sequels; i was really looking forward to seeing how you improved upon the fun gameplay of the originals… ).

Instead of acknowledging that outside of a handful of features like cross game chat/invites, the PSN has grown into a viable, bustling gamer community, and has managed to stay FREE for two years and counting, and is gaining on the 360 in terms of subscribers (i believe the last count was at 14 million subscribers for PSN, and 18 million or so for the 360?), the gaming media and gamers at large STILL call the PSN "WOEFULLY INFERIOR" to Xbox LIVE, when, in truth, it's only missing a few small bells and whistles, but makes up for them in a way with social applications like HOME.

No matter WHAT Sony does to improve the Playstation 3, they will NOT get any credit for it. They will be called copycats. They will be called liars, even when shoving truth in your face -the gaming media and gamers at large will slither like a snake and find a way to turn it into a negative ("well, yeah, Killzone 2 LOOKS good, but how does it PLAY?" *thousands of beta players answer: "It's really GOOD!", haters respond: "…well, the original SUCKED anyway! even though i've never played it, but 1up said it, so it must be true!"); there's always a new angle to attack Sony.

Even when they drop the price of the PS3 to $300 this year (believe me, it's coming this year), they will still say, "well, it should have happened SOONER!". Even when games like Killzone 2, inFamous, MAG, Heavy Rain, GT5, White Knight Chronicles, etc turn out to be genuinely FUN games, they will cry, "it doesn't re-invent the genre/gaming as we know it and it doesn't pack enough of teh innovashunz! 6/10!"

Which is a damn shame.

Talk **** about Sony all you want. they ARE a big, evil corporation that wants nothing more than your money, but the Playstation 3 as a multi-media CONSOLE, is a rather remarkable, excellent device, and doesn't deserve the hate being spewed its way on a regular basis.

My question to you all is, when is enough enough? Microsoft gets passes on charging for online, and for having a weak 2008 and 2009 lineup (Fable 2 and Gears of War 2, great as they are, don't make a strong lineup, especially when the competition has titles like MGS4, Little Big Planet, Resistance 2, SOCOM, Disgaea 2, Valkyria Chronicles, and in Japan, White Knight Chronicles under it's belt for 2008 ). They get a pass for the Red Rings debacle. Even their games get passes when being scored; the media overlooks major flaws like framerate issues, poor animations, sluggish controls, lack of story, weak ending, mediocre co-op in Fable 2, and a lack of any kind of depth in Left 4 Dead, lavishing both games with perfect and near perfect scores, but call out a game like Resistance 2 because it doesn't have a main character that spouts cliches and chatters the entire time (Gordon Freeman from Half Life is mute, and yet he doesn't get chewed out for it).

When should you let the past die (CG target renders, high price, arrogant statements), and simply say, "you know what, the Playstation 3 is not the same machine it was 2 years ago, it's better, and even though Sony boasted a lot about its "power," games like Uncharted, Ratchet, Metal Gear Solid, Little Big Planet, Warhawk, and Resistance 2 have offered me enjoyale, unique, and also familiar gaming experiences over the past two years, and the future looks even better"?

I don't deny I'm a big Playstation fan, but when I see other consoles getting free passes, when I can literally sense the tone of a PS3 story on the net being vastly different from the tone of a Nintendo or Microsoft story, and generally toward the negative (check out any kotaku PS3 story, and you'll see what I mean), when I see such a vast shift in the way the media reports PS3 news, and evaluates PS3 games in relation to the other consoles out there (the Wii gets excuses because it's not as powerful as the 360 and PS3, the 360 gets excuses because of LIVE, and because most early games were developed on 360 first and ran better; even when Bioshock finally came to the PS3, it was met with many a snide comment about how it came a year later than the 360 version), it bothers me. It frustrates me. I don't care if the fanboys behave this way, but when it's penetrating the media, and when they reinforce that fanboy mentality with every. article. they. write. I have to say something, if anything other than to get it off of my chest.

Thoughts? Is the hate for the PS3 still justified, even after 2 years of rather significant improvements? I'd like to hear both sides of the argument in the comments section.

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#2 Shenmue_Jehuty
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I didn't read your blogexcerpt, but I never hated the PS3, but I do like it a lot more with the news of the new price drop. Might be picking one now. . . .
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#3 Mr_Ditters
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Amen.

Personally I don't know why people hate the ps3. When I was an xbox owner, I didnt hate it, I just heard horror stories from xbox owners about how bad the online gaming was. When my 360 broke RROD, I said screw this and looked into ps3's for myself and what the 360 owners had been saying just wasnt true. They had never even played one. I think they just wanted to see if fail because of ego. If the ps3 doesnt succeed it just makes them look smart for backing a winning horse (keep in mind Im talking about my friends).

So, they have no reason to grind an axe with Sony, but they do have an axe to grind with Microsoft. In fact, their 360's have broken so many times that now they are starting to change sides. There are only so many times you can send your 360 in before you get really sick of it.

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#4 Bigboi500
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I never hated the PS3, just Sony and their arrogance early on this gen. Now I'm just waiting for that looming price drop. Actually I'm more interested in PSP right now than PS3 so I'll probably get one of those first.
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#5 fortehlose
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As a person who owns every major console since the genesis/snes days except for XBOX1, i think i speak for everyone that not many people hate the PS3, but hate Sony for trying to pull the bulcrap they tried to pull.

They

1. Forced gamers to advance thier format war

2. Lied, lied, and lied some more, in order to delay us from hoping into next gen with MS(E3 2005 told us the system would come out spring 06 and then all of sudden decide Nov 2006 instead. E3 2005 2 HDMI ports, 5 USBs, etc etc 4x more powerful than xbox360 etc etc.)

3. SO arrogant that they thought gamers would buy a 599 console, so much so that we'd go out of the way and get a second job to pay for it lmao.

Sad fact is, Cows were duped to buy a system 2 years too early. If Sony came out 2006 with the software they had in 2008, at 399, than it would of been great, but as it stands now, buying a PS3 prior to 2008 was a waste of money.

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#6 Starkiller2010
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Hmm... While this is a overall good read. I think you are semi confused.

Most of the "hate" you see isn't directed to the PS3 ( Unless of course it is a fanboy talking )

Most of the hate is against Sony.

They Damaged thier gaming industry reputation just to lead a new format.

Gamers may hate it..... But in a Bussiness perspective.... This will pay off greatly in the end for their overall Company.

Leading the accepted format means a **** load of $$$$ for a company. more than just a game division. This was a long term investment that cost us.

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#7 masterflame10
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Microsoft is a multi-billion dollar American company, whereas Sony is... well, not.

We live in a generation where the media does the thinking for us. If everyone's saying it, it MUST be true.

I think the damage has been done. The media has made the PS3 a merchandise from the devil himself.

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#8 Mr_Ditters
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Microsoft is a multi-billion dollar American company, whereas Sony is... well, not.

We live in a generation where the media does the thinking for us. If everyone's saying it, it MUST be true.

I think the damage has been done. The media has made the PS3 a merchandise from the devil himself.

masterflame10

Microsoft knowingly pushed a faulty system that suffers from an unheard of rate of hardware failure so that they could grab a corner on the market. Thats worse than anything Sony did. And people praise them because they extended the warranty to avoid a lawsuit. They get a pass.

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#9 Grinning_Demon
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Holy mother of Wall of text O___O I need a Long Hookshot for this one...
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If you hate any console this generations, you're a fanboy... except the wii :P
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#11 GreenGoblin2099
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Holy mother of Wall of text O___O I need a Long Hookshot for this one...Grinning_Demon

Do you even know what's a wall of text??

Anyway, TC: only fanboys hate. No matter if it's the PS3, the 360 or the Wii, and when you're a fanboy, reasons don't matter.

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[QUOTE="Grinning_Demon"]Holy mother of Wall of text O___O I need a Long Hookshot for this one...GreenGoblin2099

Do you even know what's a wall of text??

Do you know what a joke is?

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#13 samuraiguns
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Microsoft is a multi-billion dollar American company, whereas Sony is... well, not.

We live in a generation where the media does the thinking for us. If everyone's saying it, it MUST be true.

I think the damage has been done. The media has made the PS3 a merchandise from the devil himself.

masterflame10

will

You call $81.74 Billion dollars( revenue as of 2008 ) , not a multi-billion dollar company?

Man I need to meet your math or economy teacher. ( if you still go to school that is ) :P

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I definitely agree with you.
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#15 GreenGoblin2099
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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="Grinning_Demon"]Holy mother of Wall of text O___O I need a Long Hookshot for this one...Grinning_Demon

Do you even know what's a wall of text??

Do you know what a joke is?

Well, sorry but my joke detector is broken, you know??

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#16 masterflame10
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[QUOTE="masterflame10"]

Microsoft is a multi-billion dollar American company, whereas Sony is... well, not.

We live in a generation where the media does the thinking for us. If everyone's saying it, it MUST be true.

I think the damage has been done. The media has made the PS3 a merchandise from the devil himself.

samuraiguns

will

You call $81.74 Billion dollars( revenue as of 2008 ) , not a multi-billion dollar company?

Man I need to meet your math or economy teacher. ( if you still go to school that is ) :P

I meant that it's not an American multi-billion dollar company. I know it's a billion dollar company itself, just it's not... American.

Nice gif by the way :lol:

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I didnt read that blog but know one here hates the ps3 they just dilike the hardware and its fanboys who still cling to the idea that the ps3 is the holy grail of current gen gameing.
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#18 samuraiguns
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[QUOTE="samuraiguns"][QUOTE="masterflame10"]

Microsoft is a multi-billion dollar American company, whereas Sony is... well, not.

We live in a generation where the media does the thinking for us. If everyone's saying it, it MUST be true.

I think the damage has been done. The media has made the PS3 a merchandise from the devil himself.

masterflame10

will

You call $81.74 Billion dollars( revenue as of 2008 ) , not a multi-billion dollar company?

Man I need to meet your math or economy teacher. ( if you still go to school that is ) :P

I meant that it's not an American multi-billion dollar company. I know it's a billion dollar company itself, just it's not... American.

Nice gif by the way :lol:

lol. I have been saving it up.....

lol, The American people need to have more faith overseas.....

Or soon Microsoft's monopoly will expand till' we can't control it anymore......

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If anyone needs a slap for their arrogance right now, it's Nintendo. Sony has been humbled more than enough.
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#20 GreenGoblin2099
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I didnt read that blog but know one here hates the ps3 they just dilike the hardware and its fanboys who still cling to the idea that the ps3 is the holy grail of current gen gameing.Gh0st_Of_0nyx

Funny how you can switch the bold parts with "360" and "Wii" and the phrase would work the same way.

OH, and btw *coughCole_Protocalcough* you were saying?? :P

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#21 game18crazy
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The PS3 really does produce some beutiful graphics if you have an absurd entertainment system to go with it. Also, as a blu-ray player, its still very reasonably priced compared to many others on the market. Sony's removal of PS2 backwards compatibility makes me angry and want to hate it. I think Sony needs the PS2 still to keep it alive, because the PS3 tanked so spectacularly. They even lost Final Fantasy XIII! Its a shame too because that game would have looked RIDICULOUS on the PS3. I still have trouble hating it though, maybe I just love video games too much, but that platform is a damned computer disguised as a game console.
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#22 Riverwolf007
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First of all don't confuse hate with contempt, secondly now I'm supposed to feel sorry for them? Really? It was their bonehead decision making skills, hubris and contempt for the consumers that got them into the spot they are in and I have zero sympathy for them now that it all blew up in their "next gen starts when we say it does" faces.

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#23 ironcreed
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Loved it. As an owner of both the PS3 and the 360, both of which I love, every reason why I happen to love the PS3 the most out of the two was listed therein. It is all in personal preference of course, but that guy absolutely nailed how completely unwarranted the vast majority of all this PS3 hate really is. Especially when put in the light of a few of the Xbox 360's and Microsoft's UN-pleasantries, which nobody ever wants to fully hold them accountable for. Yet the grudge against Sony is a seeming never ending crusade.
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kind of when it was priced at 600. it got lowered i have heard that it is getting lowered again sometime soon. i don't hate it.
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As a person who owns every major console since the genesis/snes days except for XBOX1, i think i speak for everyone that not many people hate the PS3, but hate Sony for trying to pull the bulcrap they tried to pull.

They

1. Forced gamers to advance thier format war

2. Lied, lied, and lied some more, in order to delay us from hoping into next gen with MS(E3 2005 told us the system would come out spring 06 and then all of sudden decide Nov 2006 instead. E3 2005 2 HDMI ports, 5 USBs, etc etc 4x more powerful than xbox360 etc etc.)

3. SO arrogant that they thought gamers would buy a 599 console, so much so that we'd go out of the way and get a second job to pay for it lmao.

Sad fact is, Cows were duped to buy a system 2 years too early. If Sony came out 2006 with the software they had in 2008, at 399, than it would of been great, but as it stands now, buying a PS3 prior to 2008 was a waste of money.

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They didn't lie about anything. They made sure to clause every comment they made in regards to the capabilities of the PS3 with a 'theoretical' stipulation (see also: 120 FPS and 4D). That's not the same as lying-- And I'd like a specific citation where they made a direct comparison between the 360 and PS3. This "Sony arrogance" myth needs to die. It's cultivated only by embittered fanatics. I bought my PS3 at launch and I've been enjoying it since then.
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#26 Garudo
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i'm definitely a fanboy of PS 3...but i never hate any console because i belif every console is special..thr isn't such thing like oh 360 is better online...oh Wii is cheap and oh PS 3 is looking fantastic on its blu-ray..to me all consoles are the same..they provide excitement and enrich our daily lives..whichever console it might be..stop the hatred towards PS 3 or any other console anymore (especially to 360 fanboys)...360 is 360..PS 3 is PS 3...thr's nothing special to compare
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#27 Blackbond
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This "Sony arrogance" myth needs to die.Pariah_001

Wait are you implying that all of Sony's so called arrogance is nothing but merely a myth?

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#28 Pariah_001
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Wait are you implying that all of Sony's so called arrogance is nothing but merely a myth?Blackbond

In the manner that the people on this board are trying to define it, yes.

Every instance in which Sony is referred to as lying, people end up recounting their own inferences of what Sony was saying. Perception is not reality.

If we're just going to be measuring the arrogance of a company according to the intensity with which they hype their own product, then all companies are "arrogant."

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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Wait are you implying that all of Sony's so called arrogance is nothing but merely a myth?Pariah_001

In the manner that the people on this board are trying to define it, yes.

Every instance in which Sony is referred to as lying, people end up recounting their own inferences of what Sony was saying. Perception is not reality.

If we're just going to be measuring the arrogance of a company according to the intensity with which they hype their own product, then all companies are "arrogant."

5 million people would buy it even if it had no games?

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#30 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Wait are you implying that all of Sony's so called arrogance is nothing but merely a myth?CaseyWegner

In the manner that the people on this board are trying to define it, yes.

Every instance in which Sony is referred to as lying, people end up recounting their own inferences of what Sony was saying. Perception is not reality.

If we're just going to be measuring the arrogance of a company according to the intensity with which they hype their own product, then all companies are "arrogant."

5 million people would buy it even if it had no games?


Sony's Phil Harrison states that rumble was last gen and no longer needed

Sony's Phil Harrison states that the PS3 will replace the PC

Sony's President Ken Kutaragi states that his company does not care about the Xbox 360 and Wii competition.

Sony president Ken Kutaragi said he expects the PS3 to be capable of running games at a stunning 120fps

Its just some crazy fabrication created by SW. Don't worry Sony it was all a dream! lol. Weren't they telling us to get like an extra job so we could feel more accomplished for buying PS3 or whatever too.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

In the manner that the people on this board are trying to define it, yes.

Every instance in which Sony is referred to as lying, people end up recounting their own inferences of what Sony was saying. Perception is not reality.

If we're just going to be measuring the arrogance of a company according to the intensity with which they hype their own product, then all companies are "arrogant."

Blackbond

5 million people would buy it even if it had no games?


Sony's Phil Harrison states that rumble was last gen and no longer needed

Sony's Phil Harrison states that the PS3 will replace the PC

Sony's President Ken Kutaragi states that his company does not care about the Xbox 360 and Wii competition.

Sony president Ken Kutaragi said he expects the PS3 to be capable of running games at a stunning 120fps

Its just some crazy fabrication created by SW. Don't worry Sony it was all a dream! lol. Weren't they telling us to get like an extra job so we could feel more accomplished for buying PS3 or whatever too.

Your links lead nowhere...

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#32 Pariah_001
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Sometimes I get the feeling that Blackbond posts links just for the sake of making his posts look cited. I clicked on all of them and I don't see any articles.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]5 million people would buy it even if it had no games?

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Sony's Phil Harrison states that rumble was last gen and no longer needed

Sony's Phil Harrison states that the PS3 will replace the PC

Sony's President Ken Kutaragi states that his company does not care about the Xbox 360 and Wii competition.

Sony president Ken Kutaragi said he expects the PS3 to be capable of running games at a stunning 120fps

Its just some crazy fabrication created by SW. Don't worry Sony it was all a dream! lol. Weren't they telling us to get like an extra job so we could feel more accomplished for buying PS3 or whatever too.

And yet again, we have massive inference:

Are you trying to say that Sony wasn't building a library Casey?

Rumble was never needed last gen in the first place. How is this a lie?

Microsoft has been aiming to do the exact same thing. If you're going to call that arrogance, then Sony doesn't have a monopoly on it.

How is this supposed to criticize Sony? Concerning themselves with their own hardware is arrogant now?

"Expects" being the key term here. I already pointed out in a previous post that Sony made sure to say that 120 FPS was theoretically possible on the PS3 without actually saying that any of the games would have it.

Its just some crazy fabrication created by SW. Don't worry Sony it was all a dream! lol. Weren't they telling us to get like an extra job so we could feel more accomplished for buying PS3 or whatever too.Blackbond

These aren't fabrications, but you're trying to stretch the meaning of them farther than you're able and, as a result, you're making a liar out of yourself.

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#33 CaseyWegner
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And yet again, we have massive inference:

Are you trying to say that Sony wasn't building a library Casey?

Pariah_001

what's to infer? :|

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#34 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

5 million people would buy it even if it had no games?

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Sony's Phil Harrison states that rumble was last gen and no longer needed

Sony's Phil Harrison states that the PS3 will replace the PC

Sony's President Ken Kutaragi states that his company does not care about the Xbox 360 and Wii competition.

Sony president Ken Kutaragi said he expects the PS3 to be capable of running games at a stunning 120fps

Its just some crazy fabrication created by SW. Don't worry Sony it was all a dream! lol. Weren't they telling us to get like an extra job so we could feel more accomplished for buying PS3 or whatever too.

Your links lead nowhere...

Glitchspot at it again

HTML is not well formed as well lol. I'll fix in a bit.

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#35 Blackbond
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These aren't fabrications, but you're trying to stretch the meaning of them farther than you're able and, as a result, you're making a liar out of yourself.

Pariah_001

How am I trying stretch the meaning and how am I making myself out to be a liar? Those are the heading to each article.

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#36 Pariah_001
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what's to infer? :|CaseyWegner

That Sony doesn't feel games are important.

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#37 Blackbond
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Sony's Phil Harrison states that rumble was last gen and no longer needed

Sony's Phil Harrison states that the PS3 will replace the PC

Sony's President Ken Kutaragi states that his company does not care about the Xbox 360 and Wii competition.

Sony president Ken Kutaragi said he expects the PS3 to be capable of running games at a stunning 120fps

Links fixed

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#38 ArisShadows
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...If you really want to hate on a machine?
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#39 jasonheyman
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All I got to say is E3 08.

MS had way more gaming announcements then sony

Sony kept talking "blu ray". One could tell they focused the console on being a "media center"

MS focused on games first then the media "NXE"

So hopefully Sony will pick up the games and get things going again

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#40 Pariah_001
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How am I trying stretch the meaning and how am I making myself out to be a liar? Those are the heading to each article.Blackbond
You challenged my view that this "Sony arrogance" knee-jerk is a myth after I responded to a poster in regards to how he inferred a reputation of lying upon Sony. Both you and him are trying to apply arrogance to them based on non-absolute or generalized statements that didn't make any promises.
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#41 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]How am I trying stretch the meaning and how am I making myself out to be a liar? Those are the heading to each article.Pariah_001

You challenged my view that this "Sony arrogance" knee-jerk is a myth after I responded to a poster in regards to how he inferred a reputation of lying upon Sony. Both you and him are trying to apply arrogance to them based on non-absolute or generalized statements that didn't make any promises.

Um no I didn't challenge you about the Sony arrogance is a myth I'm telling you that you are flat out wrong. I'm not trying to apply arrogance toe them based on non absolute or generalized statements I'm showing you exactly what they said.

What do promises have to do with being arrogant?

If you really think that it was a myth that Sony was never arrogant then I don't know what to tell you. Well maybe that PS3 would have sold 5 million units without games how about that.

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#42 htekemerald
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Microsoft is a multi-billion dollar American company, whereas Sony is... well, not.

We live in a generation where the media does the thinking for us. If everyone's saying it, it MUST be true.

I think the damage has been done. The media has made the PS3 a merchandise from the devil himself.

masterflame10

Must be why american cars are doing so good to AMIRITE?

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#43 Pariah_001
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Um no I didn't challenge you about the Sony arrogance is a myth I'm telling you that you are flat out wrong. I'm not trying to apply arrogance toe them based on non absolute or generalized statements I'm showing you exactly what they said.Blackbond
Yes. You showed me where they used non-absolute or generalized statements that weren't actually conducive to any promises on Sony's part.
What do promises have to do with being arrogant?Blackbond
Sony wasn't ARROGANT enough to make any promises they couldn't keep by saying they would definitely follow through on these things you've referenced.
If you really think that it was a myth that Sony was never arrogant then I don't know what to tell you. Well maybe that PS3 would have sold 5 million units without games how about that.Blackbond
So what you're saying is that they weren't working on getting games developed for the system as they set their marketing goals?
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#44 ArisShadows
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Those who represent SONY have shown many times their arrogance. WE DON'T NEED RUMBLE! Discussion closed!
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#45 Blackbond
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Um please explain to me what you're saying here? Because no where in your statements does it provide any reasonable or rational explanation on how Sony was not acting arrogant.

  1. A console replacing PC?
  2. Selling 5 million without games?
  3. Rumble is last gen and then later adopting it?


And again I say. What does a promise have to do with being arrogant? One does not have to make a promise or fail at making a promise to come off as arrogant. And when they say they can sell 5 million without games. No I'm not saying their working on getting games ready to reach their marketing goal lol. Because that would contradict the statement of selling 5 million without games.....

I'm not even really trying to go into this man. Its essentially accepted (except by you) that Sony was highly arrogant at the start of this generation. They got smacked down to reality, regrouped, and our coming back. But really if you think that nothing they said was ever arrogant or that they are fabrications or lies based on SW when SW doesn't even affect the outside with real world news. Then be my guest. You can keep it.

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#46 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]what's to infer? :|Pariah_001

That Sony doesn't feel games are important.

no. it was just an arrogant statement. it's okay to let some things go. you don't have to defend everything.

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Hear hear.
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#48 Pariah_001
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Um please explain to me what you're saying here? Because no where in your statements does it provide any reasonable or rational explanation on how Sony was not acting arrogant.

"Prove God doesn't exist." That's what this statement is trying to say.

You're making the claim. The burden of proof is on you. And so far you've yet to truly define arrogance beyond what you don't like to hear. I imagine, for example, that people wouldn't be raising a stink about this if Sony's speculations on what the PS3 is able to do came through in the end since their confidence would ultimately be justified in the end.

If the games on PS3 ran at 120 FPS would you still call them arrogant?

If the PS3 sold 5 million consoles with just a few games would you still call them arrogant?

If Sony decided not to bring back Rumble would you still call them arrogant?

Before criticizing my standards of rationality, you should seriously analyze your logic structure.

A console replacing PC? Selling 5 million without games? Rumble is last gen and then later adopting it?Blackbond

Making an effort to replace the PC as the primary gaming console isn't totally lofty. Like I said, Microsoft's been trying to do that for a while. Are you saying people don't make such a switch?

More along the lines of selling five million with a game and then working on the library that they advertised. As much as I'm sure you guys love to re-hash the "just wait" phrase as a jibe, the library did indeed grow.

Harrison said Rumble wasn't needed--Which was true. Bringing it back because people wanted it (as opposed to needing) is an example of marketing. Not arrogance.

And when they say they can sell 5 million without games. No I'm not saying their working on getting games ready to reach their marketing goal lol. Because that would contradict the statement of selling 5 million without games.....Blackbond

You re-worded my argument. I didn't say "to reach their marketing goal." I said, "as they reach their market goal." Fairly big difference. They were advertising games. They just hadn't come out yet.

They were banking on people anticipating the software as they bought the hardware. That's not really anything knew in terms of marketing.

I'm not even really trying to go into this man. Its essentially accepted (except by you) that Sony was highly arrogant at the start of this generation. Blackbond

So perception is conducive to reality. Fair enough.

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#49 Timstuff
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[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Wait are you implying that all of Sony's so called arrogance is nothing but merely a myth?CaseyWegner

In the manner that the people on this board are trying to define it, yes.

Every instance in which Sony is referred to as lying, people end up recounting their own inferences of what Sony was saying. Perception is not reality.

If we're just going to be measuring the arrogance of a company according to the intensity with which they hype their own product, then all companies are "arrogant."

5 million people would buy it even if it had no games?

30 million people have bought the Wii with almost no good games. Kind of funny how things turn out...
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#50 Timstuff
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BTW, Nintendo's current level of arrogance outweigh's Sony's pre-PS3 launch arrogance level by at least 200%. At least Sony didn't try to re-package Animal Crossing and then tell hardcore gamers that that was their meat and potatoes for the rest of 2008.