Should XBLA and PSN games count? POLL

only when you compare them to each other imo.

As long as their original games...yes. We count Wiiware all the time, there's no reason to leave out XBLA or PSN.

Now, if their just ports of old games like VC, then no...they don't count.

only when you compare them to each other imo.

killerfist

Only when compared to each other

jonnyt61

When compared to each other it should be okay.mr_mozilla

Only when compared to each other. Why would you put Toy Home up against a Forza or a GT, or Braid up against SMG or LBP.

People read TOO much into these review scores that is kinda sicking. Most of the people how base their opinion off of someone else must have zero mind of their own. Play the game first, then talk about it.

[QUOTE="killerfist"]

only when you compare them to each other imo.

angelkimne

Only when compared to each other

jonnyt61

When compared to each other it should be okay.mr_mozilla

^^^ what these guys say.

No way, 10 dollar games SHOULD NOT be included with 60 dollar games.W1NGMAN-

I would agree with you here if all $60 games were better than all $10 games, but that doesnt seem to be the case.

So I voted yes, All games should be judged the same

Only when compared to each other

Different standards, means different methods of scoring.jonnyt61

PS3 and 360 games have different standards. Guess we can't compare them anymore.

Anyone who says XBL/PSN games should be compared to retail games, ask themselves this...

Would you pay $60 for any ONE of these games...

Braid
Geometry Wars 2
Castle Crashers
Pixel Junk Eden
Pixel Junk Monsters
Bionic Commando : Rearmed

If you can't answer "Yes" for any one of those, then you're shooting your own point in the foot.jonnyt61

Peoples payed $60 for Two Worlds aswell as Hour of Victory. So what are u saying?

only when you compare them to each other, imo. They are reviewed with different standards.Tykain

Anyone who reviews games based on what console/system they are on shoudln't be doing reviews. Should a $10 game be excused for not being as fun as a $60 game? Or should a $60 game be penalized for being less fun or less enjoyable than a $10 game?

Theres a lot of games on the VC(old games) that I enjoy playing more than ANY game produced now a days. SMB3 or SMW for example. Which, imo, is why so called 'pro' reviewers reviews are less than trust worthy.

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]Only when compared to each other

Different standards, means different methods of scoring.SSCyborg

PS3 and 360 games have different standards. Guess we can't compare them anymore.

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]Anyone who says XBL/PSN games should be compared to retail games, ask themselves this...

Would you pay $60 for any ONE of these games...

Braid
Geometry Wars 2
Castle Crashers
Pixel Junk Eden
Pixel Junk Monsters
Bionic Commando : Rearmed

If you can't answer "Yes" for any one of those, then you're shooting your own point in the foot.young_doe

Peoples payed $60 for Two Worlds aswell as Hour of Victory. So what are u saying?

As long as their original games...yes. We count Wiiware all the time, there's no reason to leave out XBLA or PSN.

Now, if their just ports of old games like VC, then no...they don't count.

goblaa

You can't compare Castle Crashers to MGS4.

You can't compare Pixeljunk to Halo 3.

But you CAN compare Castle Crashers to Pixeljunk.

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]Only when compared to each other

Different standards, means different methods of scoring.jonnyt61

PS3 and 360 games have different standards. Guess we can't compare them anymore.

Different standards, different methods of scoring.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]No way, 10 dollar games SHOULD NOT be included with 60 dollar games.young_doe

I would agree with you here if all $60 games were better than all $10 games, but that doesnt seem to be the case.

So I voted yes, All games should be judged the same

Yea but how many of these DL games would you have given the light of day if they were 60 a piece?

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]Only when compared to each other

Different standards, means different methods of scoring.SSCyborg

PS3 and 360 games have different standards. Guess we can't compare them anymore.

Different standards, different methods of scoring.

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="jonnyt61"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]Only when compared to each other

Different standards, means different methods of scoring.jonnyt61

PS3 and 360 games have different standards. Guess we can't compare them anymore.

Different standards, different methods of scoring.

I'm sorry, but if you can say that about XBLA and PSN games, I can about PS3 and 360.

You can compare them to eachother.

But you cant compare them to a proper game.

For example you could say that braid is better than warhawk, but we all know it isnt true.

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]Anyone who says XBL/PSN games should be compared to retail games, ask themselves this...

Would you pay $60 for any ONE of these games...

Braid
Geometry Wars 2
Castle Crashers
Pixel Junk Eden
Pixel Junk Monsters
Bionic Commando : Rearmed

If you can't answer "Yes" for any one of those, then you're shooting your own point in the foot.young_doe

Peoples payed $60 for Two Worlds aswell as Hour of Victory. So what are u saying?

Hes saying would YOU pay $60 for any one of the 6 games he has listed.

If it's a game like Siren: Blood Curse, which is pretty much a full release game being made available for download (which is currently the only way to purchase it outside of Japan. I think Europe is getting a disc version soon as well...) then it should count.

If it's a budget £5 / $10 title like Braid, Pixel Junk or Castle Crashers then no they shouldn't (except, like previously stated, if you compare them to each other).

I'm sorry, but if you can say that about XBLA and PSN games, I can about PS3 and 360.

SSCyborg

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]Anyone who says XBL/PSN games should be compared to retail games, ask themselves this...

Would you pay $60 for any ONE of these games...

Braid
Geometry Wars 2
Castle Crashers
Pixel Junk Eden
Pixel Junk Monsters
Bionic Commando : Rearmed

If you can't answer "Yes" for any one of those, then you're shooting your own point in the foot.young_doe

Peoples payed $60 for Two Worlds aswell as Hour of Victory. So what are u saying?

So you agree that Braid-------------------------------------------> ME,Too Human,LO and etc huh?

Or better yet...... R&C QB,The Last Guy,Everyday Shooter-------------------------------> Too Human and LO?

Only compared against eachother, you can't compare Braid to something like GTA IV even though Braid is amazing it wouldn't hold up in a 60 dollar package. Toriko42

Most Arcade and PSN games are made with a much lower budget compared with games like MGS4, GTA etc.

there is a reason why they sell those games for 5-10$

different standards

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Only compared against eachother, you can't compare Braid to something like GTA IV even though Braid is amazing it wouldn't hold up in a 60 dollar package. killerfist

Most Arcade and PSN games are made with a much lower budget compared with games like MGS4, GTA etc.

there is a reason why they sell those games for 5-10$

different standards

I say only if they were hyped to begin with. Then compare the most common....mccoyca112

The Boondock Saints is the sh!t.

[QUOTE="young_doe"]

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]Anyone who says XBL/PSN games should be compared to retail games, ask themselves this...

Would you pay $60 for any ONE of these games...

Braid
Geometry Wars 2
Castle Crashers
Pixel Junk Eden
Pixel Junk Monsters
Bionic Commando : Rearmed

If you can't answer "Yes" for any one of those, then you're shooting your own point in the foot.Vectah_Sigma

Peoples payed $60 for Two Worlds aswell as Hour of Victory. So what are u saying?

Hes saying would YOU pay $60 for any one of the 6 games he has listed.

Thanks for pointing that out but I can read on my own...

I say only if they were hyped to begin with. Then compare the most common....mccoyca112

Love your sig. Boondock Saints FTW.

Um ya, Im adding both of you who said Boondocks for the win. People who know that movie deserve respect in my book :P....

edit- Ah damn, I cant add Sakura...profile is private :(:P

The answer I simple. Answer this (sincerely):

Do you honestly think that when Gamespot (and a lot of other sites) gave Baird 9.5, they were putting it the same category as Gears of War, Metal Gear Solid 4, Super Mario Galaxy, CoD4, or Halo 3?

Easy, nope.

Answered that, the question is still irrelevant. Everyone check the Official AAAA, AAA, AA, A List, downloadable games don't count. Rules of System Wars.

[QUOTE="young_doe"]

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]Anyone who says XBL/PSN games should be compared to retail games, ask themselves this...

Would you pay $60 for any ONE of these games...

Braid
Geometry Wars 2
Castle Crashers
Pixel Junk Eden
Pixel Junk Monsters
Bionic Commando : Rearmed

If you can't answer "Yes" for any one of those, then you're shooting your own point in the foot.sakura_Ex

Peoples payed $60 for Two Worlds aswell as Hour of Victory. So what are u saying?

So you agree that Braid-------------------------------------------> ME,Too Human,LO and etc huh?

Or better yet...... R&C QB,The Last Guy ------------------------> Too Human and LO?

Please dont put words in my mouth. No, but Braid >>>>Bomberman: Act Zero

[QUOTE="sakura_Ex"][QUOTE="young_doe"]

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]Anyone who says XBL/PSN games should be compared to retail games, ask themselves this...

Would you pay $60 for any ONE of these games...

Braid
Geometry Wars 2
Castle Crashers
Pixel Junk Eden
Pixel Junk Monsters
Bionic Commando : Rearmed

If you can't answer "Yes" for any one of those, then you're shooting your own point in the foot.young_doe

Peoples payed $60 for Two Worlds aswell as Hour of Victory. So what are u saying?

So you agree that Braid-------------------------------------------> ME,Too Human,LO and etc huh?

Or better yet...... R&C QB,The Last Guy ------------------------> Too Human and LO?

Please dont put words in my mouth. No, but Braid >>>>Bomberman: Act Zero

You can't pick and choose... You either think they count, or they only count when compared to other titles, or not at all.

So like I said, would you buy any of those 6 games for $60?

Why shouldn't they? They are games and as long as they are originally released within this console generation they should "count" for everything they are worth. What makes a ****ty game on a disc that score 1/10 everywhere more deserving than a downloadable game that score 9.5/10 everywhere?foxhound_fox

Because that downloadable title may have only scored a 5 if it was $60, and that crappy game may have also scored a 5, if it was downloadable. See, they live by a different set of standards.

If you don't believe that, then you actually believe Braid is a better game than Mass Effect, Lost Oddysey and a bevy of A+ titles, and would be willing to pay $60 for it.

Why shouldn't they? They are games and as long as they are originally released within this console generation they should "count" for everything they are worth. What makes a ****ty game on a disc that score 1/10 everywhere more deserving than a downloadable game that score 9.5/10 everywhere?foxhound_fox

People saying different standards, really need to consider then if Wii games should count the same as 360/PS3 as well as some who say PC standards are higher.

I mean cmon, everyone must know that Wii games if scored as though they were on the 360/PS3 would not score as high - right ?

Smooth Moves @ 9.1 ? ;)

People saying different standards, really need to consider then if Wii games should count the same as 360/PS3 as well as some who say PC standards are higher.

SecretPolice

yeah that's pretty much how I see it

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]jonnyt61

I share your point, but there's also one thing to consider.

They don't cost $60.

There's a theory (that actually sounds very logic) that says that a game is scored by a "criteria cost-satisfaction".

Of course, Halo 3 is a 9.5 for a $60 game.

Baird is a 9.5 for a $15 game.

Obviously, Halo 3 is a far better game, but that criteria cost-satisfaction is simmilar.

In other words, the low price compensates the lower standards.

Viewing the situation that way, it is valid to count them.

People saying different standards, really need to consider then if Wii games should count the same as 360/PS3 as well as some who say PC standards are higher.

I mean cmon, everyone must know that Wii games if scored as though they were on the 360/PS3 would not score as high - right ?

Smooth Moves @ 9.1 ? ;)

SecretPolice

Smooth Moves was rated considering it is a mini-game collection. As everybody knows, reviews standards change depending on genre. Being a mini-game collection, WWSM is a 9.1 mini-game collection.

In other words, it is not a better game than, for example, Tales of Vesperia. Simply it is considered a better mini-game collection than Tales of Vesperia a RPG.