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Bull****. Banjo is at the $40 pricepoint too. Microsoft just found that this pricepoint generates the most sales for games that look and/or are family friendly.
SSCyborg
Calm down man, Banjo isn't even out yet so who knows whether it would of been worth the full priced or not. And only if SquareEnix would of follow your logic for the DS games.:( I would of been alot happier.
[QUOTE="jonnyt61"][QUOTE="JimJackJose"]
Sure, a game is about fun and enjoying the time you spend playing them.
I've had more fun with Castle Crashers then many of my full retail purchases.
Also, not all retail games are released at 60$. There are a increasing amount of games being released at 40$. Viva Pinata : Trouble in Paradise is a great example, it is getting great review scores (EGM's game of the month) and it is released this week at 40$. So saying a game has to be 60$ for it to be retail is not a fair comparison.
You should also remember Alien Hominid was released as a full retail game on multiple systems before hitting XBLA. Why should it count on the gamecube and playstation but not the 360? Because it costs less, and wasn't on a plastic disk? The argument makes no sense. A game is a game, what is being gaged is the amount of enjoyment you will get from your purchase regardless of the price.
Lastly, if we are going to start factoring price into the reviews shouldn't a game like rockband have been compared to buying 3 other games at full retail price? Or 10+ psn/xbla titles? Rockband is a great game by all means, however would you rather have rockband, or GTA IV + Metal Gear Solid 4 + (insert any other high scoring game, i think you get my point). Do you think Rockband should have been deducted points for costing more? If I was considering games value by price I think anyone would have trouble recommending rockband over 3 other top notch games.
JimJackJose
What is the point of asking me a question if you're going to refuse to believe my honest answer. If you're not interested in people's answers why are you wasting the time to ask question to begin with?
The fact is, Castle Crashers is a great game that I would not hesitate to buy at retail. Just like a lot of people purchased Alien Hominid as a retail game last gen.
As I said before not counting Alien Hominid now because it is cheaper and is not on a disk makes no sense at all. It may not be a great game score wise, but it is a perfect example as to why your argument fails.
How about Ikaruga, is that not a game now? (Arguably) one of the greatest shooters ever made, and was a retail game at one time, isn't worthy to be compared to other games because it no longer costs 60$ and comes on a plastic disk?
If any of the games you listed were released on a cd for 15$ at retail would they then count to you?
What exactly makes a retail game to you?
Do I need to be able to purchase it in a store? So if they sold a card in a store that allows me to download a game would that make it a retail game? Is that not how point cards already work?
Or Does it need to be on a disk? Really, you have to put a game on a plastic disk for it to count? That doesn't make any sense, especially as digital distribution becomes more popular.
So is it price? If these games were released on live for 60$ would they count then? Does Viva Pinata not count because it wasn't released at 60$?
I say yes. They may be cheaper, but a good game is a good game and a lemon's a lemon.
You can buy Alien Hominid in a box and DL Castle Crashers. Not a mile between the 2, but you can play 4 player over XBL with CC. Games like Bionic Commando Re-armed and SF HD (when it comes out), have had enough work and new content added to elevate them to next gen titles and games like Geometary Wars cry out next gen.
Flash games shouldn't count.
[QUOTE="JimJackJose"][QUOTE="jonnyt61"]
[QUOTE="JimJackJose"]
Sure, a game is about fun and enjoying the time you spend playing them.
I've had more fun with Castle Crashers then many of my full retail purchases.
Also, not all retail games are released at 60$. There are a increasing amount of games being released at 40$. Viva Pinata : Trouble in Paradise is a great example, it is getting great review scores (EGM's game of the month) and it is released this week at 40$. So saying a game has to be 60$ for it to be retail is not a fair comparison.
You should also remember Alien Hominid was released as a full retail game on multiple systems before hitting XBLA. Why should it count on the gamecube and playstation but not the 360? Because it costs less, and wasn't on a plastic disk? The argument makes no sense. A game is a game, what is being gaged is the amount of enjoyment you will get from your purchase regardless of the price.
Lastly, if we are going to start factoring price into the reviews shouldn't a game like rockband have been compared to buying 3 other games at full retail price? Or 10+ psn/xbla titles? Rockband is a great game by all means, however would you rather have rockband, or GTA IV + Metal Gear Solid 4 + (insert any other high scoring game, i think you get my point). Do you think Rockband should have been deducted points for costing more? If I was considering games value by price I think anyone would have trouble recommending rockband over 3 other top notch games.
jonnyt61
What is the point of asking me a question if you're going to refuse to believe my honest answer. If you're not interested in people's answers why are you wasting the time to ask question to begin with?
The fact is, Castle Crashers is a great game that I would not hesitate to buy at retail. Just like a lot of people purchased Alien Hominid as a retail game last gen.
As I said before not counting Alien Hominid now because it is cheaper and is not on a disk makes no sense at all. It may not be a great game score wise, but it is a perfect example as to why your argument fails.
How about Ikaruga, is that not a game now? (Arguably) one of the greatest shooters ever made, and was a retail game at one time, isn't worthy to be compared to other games because it no longer costs 60$ and comes on a plastic disk?
If any of the games you listed were released on a cd for 15$ at retail would they then count to you?
What exactly makes a retail game to you?
Do I need to be able to purchase it in a store? So if they sold a card in a store that allows me to download a game would that make it a retail game? Is that not how point cards already work?
Or Does it need to be on a disk? Really, you have to put a game on a plastic disk for it to count? That doesn't make any sense, especially as digital distribution becomes more popular.
So is it price? If these games were released on live for 60$ would they count then? Does Viva Pinata not count because it wasn't released at 60$?
The fact remains that these games are judged based upon the amount of enjoyment a person gets from them for the money paid. The games are reviewed to different standards because the cost is different. However, that does not change the fact that a great scoring game on xbla/psn is going to be better then a poorly scoring retail game.I can easily tell by looking at review scores that I will likely have a better time with Castle Crashers then I would with Big Rig Truckers.
I question your reasons because they categorially make no sense when you break down the problem.
Ikaruga was re-reviewed with the new release to reflect today's standards. Your argument that it is 7 years old and the standards have changed so it shouldn't count really isn't valid. The game has been reviewed based upon it's value for the money, just like retail games are.
You falling back to calling me ignorant for having a differing point of view, and being disrespectful of my answers to your questions really shows a lot about you. You're not interested in a discussion, you are just here to spew your point of view.
XBLA seems to be bringing new stuff to the table, not the same recycled trash we see on VC so yes I think they should count.
[QUOTE="jonnyt61"][QUOTE="JimJackJose"][QUOTE="jonnyt61"]
[QUOTE="JimJackJose"]
Sure, a game is about fun and enjoying the time you spend playing them.
I've had more fun with Castle Crashers then many of my full retail purchases.
Also, not all retail games are released at 60$. There are a increasing amount of games being released at 40$. Viva Pinata : Trouble in Paradise is a great example, it is getting great review scores (EGM's game of the month) and it is released this week at 40$. So saying a game has to be 60$ for it to be retail is not a fair comparison.
You should also remember Alien Hominid was released as a full retail game on multiple systems before hitting XBLA. Why should it count on the gamecube and playstation but not the 360? Because it costs less, and wasn't on a plastic disk? The argument makes no sense. A game is a game, what is being gaged is the amount of enjoyment you will get from your purchase regardless of the price.
Lastly, if we are going to start factoring price into the reviews shouldn't a game like rockband have been compared to buying 3 other games at full retail price? Or 10+ psn/xbla titles? Rockband is a great game by all means, however would you rather have rockband, or GTA IV + Metal Gear Solid 4 + (insert any other high scoring game, i think you get my point). Do you think Rockband should have been deducted points for costing more? If I was considering games value by price I think anyone would have trouble recommending rockband over 3 other top notch games.
JimJackJose
What is the point of asking me a question if you're going to refuse to believe my honest answer. If you're not interested in people's answers why are you wasting the time to ask question to begin with?
The fact is, Castle Crashers is a great game that I would not hesitate to buy at retail. Just like a lot of people purchased Alien Hominid as a retail game last gen.
As I said before not counting Alien Hominid now because it is cheaper and is not on a disk makes no sense at all. It may not be a great game score wise, but it is a perfect example as to why your argument fails.
How about Ikaruga, is that not a game now? (Arguably) one of the greatest shooters ever made, and was a retail game at one time, isn't worthy to be compared to other games because it no longer costs 60$ and comes on a plastic disk?
If any of the games you listed were released on a cd for 15$ at retail would they then count to you?
What exactly makes a retail game to you?
Do I need to be able to purchase it in a store? So if they sold a card in a store that allows me to download a game would that make it a retail game? Is that not how point cards already work?
Or Does it need to be on a disk? Really, you have to put a game on a plastic disk for it to count? That doesn't make any sense, especially as digital distribution becomes more popular.
So is it price? If these games were released on live for 60$ would they count then? Does Viva Pinata not count because it wasn't released at 60$?
The fact remains that these games are judged based upon the amount of enjoyment a person gets from them for the money paid. The games are reviewed to different standards because the cost is different. However, that does not change the fact that a great scoring game on xbla/psn is going to be better then a poorly scoring retail game.I can easily tell by looking at review scores that I will likely have a better time with Castle Crashers then I would with Big Rig Truckers.
I question your reasons because they categorially make no sense when you break down the problem.
Ikaruga was re-reviewed with the new release to reflect today's standards. Your argument that it is 7 years old and the standards have changed so it shouldn't count really isn't valid. The game has been reviewed based upon it's value for the money, just like retail games are.
You falling back to calling me ignorant for having a differing point of view, and being disrespectful of my answers to your questions really shows a lot about you. You're not interested in a discussion, you are just here to spew your point of view.
I think thats the larger quote I have ever seen
Comparing Braid to MGS4 is one of the dumbest things I've seen in threads but comparing to PSN titles i quite acceptable.
However games like Warhawk,GT5: P and Siren are full games for full price and should be compared accordingly.
[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]
You're looking into it wrong. The reason they don't count, is simply because of differing standards.
You talk of Ikaruga, a game first released in 2001. That's almost 7 years ago. While it's certainly an enjoyable game, it['s also at least 7 years old. Standards in gaming have changed since then. It may have been brilliant then, but now, while still enjoyable, no, I don't believe it can be compared tothe current standard of retail games
Actually, no, because they're percieved value is still not comparable to a full retail title. You're looking at this in a rather ignorant way. You can understand why I say what I say, yet you choose to question the reasons none the less.
If they were on LIVE! for $60 and were scored to the same standard that full retail games are, then yes, they'd count. But most often, the only times games are scored to these same standards, is when they're -also- released on disc, in retail outlets, such as Warhawk or Siren.
And in regards to me asking a question, and not believing your answer.Fine, I'll believe you'd pay $60 for a title that 90% of gamers wouldn't. Like I say, the only way I see you truly standing by that, is if you're in a position to have the disposable income to do so. JimJackJose
The fact remains that these games are judged based upon the amount of enjoyment a person gets from them for the money paid. The games are reviewed to different standards because the cost is different. However, that does not change the fact that a great scoring game on xbla/psn is going to be better then a poorly scoring retail game.I can easily tell by looking at review scores that I will likely have a better time with Castle Crashers then I would with Big Rig Truckers.
I question your reasons because they categorially make no sense when you break down the problem.
Ikaruga was re-reviewed with the new release to reflect today's standards. Your argument that it is 7 years old and the standards have changed so it shouldn't count really isn't valid. The game has been reviewed based upon it's value for the money, just like retail games are.
You falling back to calling me ignorant for having a differing point of view, and being disrespectful of my answers to your questions really shows a lot about you. You're not interested in a discussion, you are just here to spew your point of view.
Well if you dismiss PSN/Wiiware/XBLA games then you dismiss 30$ budget games as well, as they technically do not stand toe to toe with 60$ incarnations. Therefore Serious Sam should not have won GOTY because it was a 30$ game. 2K5 should have been dismissed then because it was 30$. Thats just silly to me. Portal Does not count because it is 30$, nor does TF2. There you go, thats my arguement for including XBLA/PSN/Wiiware games.insanejedi
I imagine developement costs for all games vary in a huge way. MGS4 was probably way more costly than Halo3 say, Forza 2 more expensive that DiRT etc etc.
[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]Bull****. Banjo is at the $40 pricepoint too. Microsoft just found that this pricepoint generates the most sales for games that look and/or are family friendly.
-DarthMaul-
Calm down man, Banjo isn't even out yet so who knows whether it would of been worth the full priced or not. And only if SquareEnix would of follow your logic for the DS games.:( I would of been alot happier.
This is SW.
Series forum is series.
[QUOTE="insanejedi"]Well if you dismiss PSN/Wiiware/XBLA games then you dismiss 30$ budget games as well, as they technically do not stand toe to toe with 60$ incarnations. Therefore Serious Sam should not have won GOTY because it was a 30$ game. 2K5 should have been dismissed then because it was 30$. Thats just silly to me. Portal Does not count because it is 30$, nor does TF2. There you go, thats my arguement for including XBLA/PSN/Wiiware games.SgtWhiskeyjack
I imagine developement costs for all games vary in a huge way. MGS4 was probably way more costly than Halo3 say, Forza 2 more expensive that DiRT etc etc.
But that doesn't change the fact that those games aren't rated diffrently. You can compare Forza to DiRT even though they have diffrent development costs. You are compared by your peers and the standereds on that system. Nothing else really matters. If the price point is 15$ instead of 60$ the only thing you should do is adjust the score for value. Nothing else...
No way, 10 dollar games SHOULD NOT be included with 60 dollar games.W1NGMAN-
so braid still counts then:)
it should count as library of games, but an AAA arcade/psn =/= AAA retail game. BUT IT SHOULD BE COUNTED NONETHELESS BECAUSE IT'S STILL AN EFFIN GAME AND GAMES ARE WHAT ARE BEING COMPARED BETWEEN GAMING CONSOLES
i dont know what u mean by "count" tc. Does it count meaning it should be listed in the system's library of games? then i think yes.
but no it should not be compared vs retail.
looke like only when you compare them to each other is winning. Which means when considering A+ titles for the 360 vs. A+ titles on the PS3 they do count. Since you are comparing the entire system and not just a single high profile game.stiltzsy
No, that's not what it means. This is what each of the choices would mean:
Yes: All games count equally. Downloadable AAA games count as AAA games for the console
No: They shouldn't count at all. They may be fun, but they aren't "real" games, or not as good as the retail games
Just compared to each other: They do count, but not as much as retail games. We can make a list of retail games, and a different list of the downloadable games
They should be compared with each other not the rest of the library, except for games like Siren which are blu ray releases only in the west out of caution.
So if a game has a disc release in another region it should count.
Should they count for ownage in SW or shouldn't they?NielsNL
"Should XBLA and PSN games count?"
well they are games...so yes.
i mean theres some dumb games, but take a look at games like Bionic commando, or briad or Ratchet and Clank: Quest for booty.
Not to mention A psn game is also Full games like Warhawk, GT5:pr, Burnout(soon), socom and more..
so your poll is vauge.
[QUOTE="NielsNL"]Should they count for ownage in SW or shouldn't they?iesexywarden
"Should XBLA and PSN games count?"
well they are games...so yes.
i mean theres some dumb games, but take a look at games like Bionic commando, or briad or Ratchet and Clank: Quest for booty.
Not to mention A psn game is also Full games like Warhawk, GT5:pr, Burnout(soon), socom and more..
so your poll is vauge.
Or you're too lazy to think a little for yourself..
You know exactly what kind of games I mean. Cheap smaller downloadable ones like Braid, CC, Pixeljunk Eden and Quest for Booty. All PSN games you mention, that I bolded, can be bought on a disc too abd are closer to full retail prices than to the price of aforementioned games. It's not that hard.
[QUOTE="stiltzsy"]looke like only when you compare them to each other is winning. Which means when considering A+ titles for the 360 vs. A+ titles on the PS3 they do count. Since you are comparing the entire system and not just a single high profile game.Hungry_Homer111
No, that's not what it means. This is what each of the choices would mean:
Yes: All games count equally. Downloadable AAA games count as AAA games for the console
No: They shouldn't count at all. They may be fun, but they aren't "real" games, or not as good as the retail games
Just compared to each other: They do count, but not as much as retail games. We can make a list of retail games, and a different list of the downloadable games
Looks like the poll is invalid then because I read it to mean you count them when comparing SYSTEMS. But not when comparing to $60 full package games.
[QUOTE="Hungry_Homer111"][QUOTE="stiltzsy"]looke like only when you compare them to each other is winning. Which means when considering A+ titles for the 360 vs. A+ titles on the PS3 they do count. Since you are comparing the entire system and not just a single high profile game.stiltzsy
No, that's not what it means. This is what each of the choices would mean:
Yes: All games count equally. Downloadable AAA games count as AAA games for the console
No: They shouldn't count at all. They may be fun, but they aren't "real" games, or not as good as the retail games
Just compared to each other: They do count, but not as much as retail games. We can make a list of retail games, and a different list of the downloadable games
Looks like the poll is invalid then because I read it to mean you count them when comparing SYSTEMS. But not when comparing to $60 full package games.
Why would the Poll be invalid because you can't understand it? :|
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