Sick of Blu-Ray threads (a lemmings view)

It seems to me that there are far too many threads trying to justify why blu-ray is not needed. This to me is just like the amount of threads us lemmings have to put up with trying to prove why the Halo series isn't as great as we think and know it is.

DVD9 is doing OK, but it's not great - Lost Oddessy, Blue Dragon. I'd rather not have to worry about space and I bet I'm not the only one.

So stop making blu-ray's not needed threads. If we have to justify and defend DVD9 so much, then that just shows we a worried. I'm not worried, I don't mind having to swap discs, but that to me is how you guys who make the threads appear.

It seems to me that there are far too many threads trying to justify why blu-ray is not needed. This to me is just like the amount of threads us lemmings have to put up with trying to prove why the Halo series isn't as great as we think and know it is.

DVD9 is doing OK, but it's not great - Lost Oddessy, Blue Dragon. I'd rather not have to worry about space and I bet I'm not the only one.

So stop making blu-ray's not needed threads. If we have to justify and defend DVD9 so much, then that just shows we a worried. I'm not worried, I don't mind having to swap discs, but that to me is how you guys who make the threads appear.

SgtWhiskeyjack

WHAT!? WHA WHA WHAT!?!?! You want people on systemwars to stop arguing about the same old dang things 0.0 BLASPHEMER!

I couldn't care less about the format that games come on. If we get dragged kicking and screaming into a blu-ray era so be it.

As far as the 360 goes the games could come on cassette tape or five and a quarter inch floppies for all I care so long as great games keep coming out.

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

So far I haven't seen a big difference in games with normal DVD and BR disk, have anybody else? so if there is no difference in the games (which should be the ONLY reason we should look) then WHY, OH WHY IS BR SO NEEDED????

I couldn't care less about the format that games come on. If we get dragged kicking and screaming into a blu-ray era so be it.

As far as the 360 goes the games could come on cassette tape or five and a quarter inch floppies for all I care so long as great games keep coming out.

Riverwolf007

Exactly, people are getting too caught up with the whole "X" movie media is required to play games hype. Fanboys from both sides tend to forget that console gaming had their own formats until consoles decided to start using music/movie media. Bottom line, as long as the great games continue to flow (and hold true to the devs intended vision), we shouldnt care about the media we place into the console.....

Game On...

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

aemena

Thanks for your replies. You are obviously not the people who feel they need to justify or defend DVD9, but accept it and are gamers that only care about the games.

I want to hear from the people who make all the "this proves blu-ray is not needed" threads. They must be fellow lemmings, but can't they see that it's just like the countless threads trying to put down Halo? or indeed any other great game we have.

ZOMG LOGIC!!!:shock:

Blu-ray is the future.

Just like DVD has surpassed CD.

It'll take a while though.

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

So far I haven't seen a big difference in games with normal DVD and BR disk, have anybody else? so if there is no difference in the games (which should be the ONLY reason we should look) then WHY, OH WHY IS BR SO NEEDED????

aemena

Excellent post and very well said.

There hasn't been one game on PS3 that proves BR is needed. Even Crysis is 6GB uncompressed.

[QUOTE="aemena"]

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

prodiqy32

It will be a more worthy investment if that BONUS that the BR player is, is actually something that we need RIGHT NOW! but we really don't, as you said BR may be the future, but right now we are in the present, and in the future this BONUS will be totally erased because people will see that it will be cheaper to pay $100 for a BR player than $300 for a PS3 (assuming the PS3 will get a price cut in the future), so your whole logic doesn't make too much sense.

But all of these doesn't matter at all, because what we should worry about is the GAMES, not the movies, the format in which they come should really don't matter as long as the games are good, and so far in games the 360 has a better library, yes, probably because it has a year start ahead, but the future brings good games for the 360 and for the Wii also, the PS3 isn't the only console to have good games for this year. And in online gaming no other system offers a better service than MS, eventhough is paid, it's worth it, it's that dawm good!

[QUOTE="aemena"]

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

prodiqy32

Has Sony or Blu-ray (Idon't believe it's just Sony's baby) won? If one more HD DVD movie comes out, then the answer must be NO. Otherwise they would stop making them.

The PS3 is a good system to own, but you don't get as many film titles as DVD does and as far as I can tell 2:40:1 resolution is good enough.

I'm not trying to diss the PS3 in this thread, I'll save that for another day :P . Blu-ray is great, I have it on my laptop, what I want is all the threads saying it's not needed to stop.

Another question: If the 360 was fitted with a HD DVD drive from the off-set, how would the format war have looked?

Sick of Blu-ray theads? So he starts another one?fanboy999

:lol: True. But I'm niether attacking or defending it, I'm pointing out how making so many threads saying it's not needed speaks volumes on how worried that person is about it.

Ah Whiskey

A lone voice of logic within System Wars.

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

So far I haven't seen a big difference in games with normal DVD and BR disk, have anybody else? so if there is no difference in the games (which should be the ONLY reason we should look) then WHY, OH WHY IS BR SO NEEDED????

aemena

See thats what were talking about. the same old crap.

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

So far I haven't seen a big difference in games with normal DVD and BR disk, have anybody else? so if there is no difference in the games (which should be the ONLY reason we should look) then WHY, OH WHY IS BR SO NEEDED????

aemena

PS3's 1st year sales were better than 360 so watch what you say it might bite you in the butt.

[QUOTE="aemena"]

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

So far I haven't seen a big difference in games with normal DVD and BR disk, have anybody else? so if there is no difference in the games (which should be the ONLY reason we should look) then WHY, OH WHY IS BR SO NEEDED????

swade

PS3's 1st year sales were better than 360 so watch what you say it might bite you in the butt.

Am I talking about sales??? Uhmmm NO, I AM NOT, I am talking about the necessity of the BR disks RIGHT NOW! and if in any case I talked about sales, they were about the WII SALES, which are far beyond the PS3!

[QUOTE="aemena"]

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

So far I haven't seen a big difference in games with normal DVD and BR disk, have anybody else? so if there is no difference in the games (which should be the ONLY reason we should look) then WHY, OH WHY IS BR SO NEEDED????

LosDaddie

Excellent post and very well said.

There hasn't been one game on PS3 that proves BR is needed. Even Crysis is 6GB uncompressed.

I strongly disagree. Your whole first paragraph is just fanboy ranting. The PS3 has alot of solid games and its sales are very respectible. Its not dominating like the PS2 did but neither is the 360. In fact the 360 is mainly ahead of the PS3 only because of its one year lead which is slowly diminishing as PS3 sales spike worldwide. And to bring up the Wii is just dumb because the Wii is also slaughtering the 360 worldwide.

As for your impression that games on BR dont look any different then games on DVD the thing you dont seem to grasp is that they are mearly storage media. BR and DVD dont make games better. Heck it wasnt till SMG on DVD two gens later that people feel that Mario 64 had a true successor which was on a cartridge. We all know cartridges were more inferior then CDs but Nintendo 64 did just fine using them. Their games looked good and the PS1s game on CD didnt drastically show anyone that CDs are vastly superior then Cartridges.

Heck during the PS2 gen the first batch of PS2 games were on CD because devs didnt see DVD as a need, then they changed their mind the next year and they were on DVD standard. Then that wasnt enough so they moved to DVD9s.

Embrace new tech, heck the 360, Wii, and PS3s are needed for gaming we could all go back to last gen. Need is a strong word for a hobby, nothing is truly needed, just beneficial. Blu ray cant hurt and making it standard on the PS3will allow for you to get a 100 blu ray player sooner.

What MS fans dont understand is that it is better to have and not need then need and not have. Blu ray doesnt affect the PS3s price to much now that its very comprable to the 360s price so there really is no true reason to shun such new good tech. unless your just a fanboy.

[QUOTE="swade"][QUOTE="aemena"]

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

So far I haven't seen a big difference in games with normal DVD and BR disk, have anybody else? so if there is no difference in the games (which should be the ONLY reason we should look) then WHY, OH WHY IS BR SO NEEDED????

aemena

PS3's 1st year sales were better than 360 so watch what you say it might bite you in the butt.

Am I talking about sales??? Uhmmm NO, I AM NOT, I am talking about the necessity of the BR disks RIGHT NOW! and if in any case I talked about sales, they were about the WII SALES, which are far beyond the PS3!

And 360s, and again need is a strong word for a hobby. Right now the 360, PS3 and Wiis arent needed for gaming, plenty of gamers are enjoying their PS2s still. But that doesnt stop it from being a beneifit to gaming. Dont hate it because you dont have it, or cant afford to maintain it.

[QUOTE="aemena"][QUOTE="swade"][QUOTE="aemena"]

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

So far I haven't seen a big difference in games with normal DVD and BR disk, have anybody else? so if there is no difference in the games (which should be the ONLY reason we should look) then WHY, OH WHY IS BR SO NEEDED????

Javy03

PS3's 1st year sales were better than 360 so watch what you say it might bite you in the butt.

Am I talking about sales??? Uhmmm NO, I AM NOT, I am talking about the necessity of the BR disks RIGHT NOW! and if in any case I talked about sales, they were about the WII SALES, which are far beyond the PS3!

And 360s, and again need is a strong word for a hobby. Right now the 360, PS3 and Wiis arent needed for gaming, plenty of gamers are enjoying their PS2s still. But that doesnt stop it from being a beneifit to gaming. Dont hate it because you dont have it, or cant afford to maintain it.

Aside from getting off topic, BR is not a benefit for gaming (this gen). But hey, Im sure if Sony would have pushed for its games on flash drives (i.e the rerturn of cartridges), the bovine club would backed that decision 100%. So in the end all you are saying is "ITS A SONY".

Game On...

Aside from getting off topic, BR is not a benefit for gaming (this gen). But hey, Im sure if Sony would have pushed for its games on flash drives (i.e the rerturn of cartridges), the bovine club would backed that decision 100%. So in the end all you are saying is "ITS A SONY".

Game On...

Interesting assumption, but of course all that is, is an assumption. This gen Sony backed a step forward in movies, games and storage and alot smarter people then SW posters agree. Apple, Fox, Disney, Sony, Warner, ete.. all support Blu ray asa step foward not back.

As for BR not benefitting gaming (this gen.) we are one year into the PS3s life cycle. Do you honestly believe that devs have tapped out all the uses of the hardware and media capabilities of the PS3. I doubt it, like I said the PS2s first batches of games were all on CDs, yet ended on DVD9s.

Anyways as much fun as you had bashing one group of gamers you still ignore the fact that currently it is MS fans like you that is backing the decision to not progress storage wise saying "Its M$". Just like 1080p not mattering, HDMI, or a large HDD but hey that may all change if rumors of a 360 with blu ray are true.

Aside from getting off topic, BR is not a benefit for gaming (this gen). But hey, Im sure if Sony would have pushed for its games on flash drives (i.e the rerturn of cartridges), the bovine club would backed that decision 100%. So in the end all you are saying is "ITS A SONY".

Game On...

FatalDomain

Interesting assumption, but of course all that is, is an assumption. This gen Sony backed a step forward in movies, games and storage and alot smarter people then SW posters agree. Apple, Fox, Disney, Sony, Warner, ete.. all support Blu ray asa step foward not back.

As for BR not benefitting gaming (this gen.) we are one year into the PS3s life cycle. Do you honestly believe that devs have tapped out all the uses of the hardware and media capabilities of the PS3. I doubt it, like I said the PS2s first batches of games were all on CDs, yet ended on DVD9s.

Anyways as much fun as you had bashing one group of gamers you still ignore the fact that currently it is MS fans like you that is backing the decision to not progress storage wise saying "Its M$". Just like 1080p not mattering, HDMI, or a large HDD but hey that may all change if rumors of a 360 with blu ray are true.

Javy03

This may come as a shock, but the gen didnt start with the launch of the PS3...it started in 2005!!!

This "gen" is about 2.5 years from being over.....and as for all those other claims about HDMI, 1080P, blah blah, that is a discussion all by itself. But its been documented since 2005 that BR is not needed to achieve HD gaming on a console. Hell even lil ole obsolete CD did the trick on PC, so Im not buying the BR is needed for gaming hype.

Game On...

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

Aside from getting off topic, BR is not a benefit for gaming (this gen). But hey, Im sure if Sony would have pushed for its games on flash drives (i.e the rerturn of cartridges), the bovine club would backed that decision 100%. So in the end all you are saying is "ITS A SONY".

Game On...

FatalDomain

Interesting assumption, but of course all that is, is an assumption. This gen Sony backed a step forward in movies, games and storage and alot smarter people then SW posters agree. Apple, Fox, Disney, Sony, Warner, ete.. all support Blu ray asa step foward not back.

As for BR not benefitting gaming (this gen.) we are one year into the PS3s life cycle. Do you honestly believe that devs have tapped out all the uses of the hardware and media capabilities of the PS3. I doubt it, like I said the PS2s first batches of games were all on CDs, yet ended on DVD9s.

Anyways as much fun as you had bashing one group of gamers you still ignore the fact that currently it is MS fans like you that is backing the decision to not progress storage wise saying "Its M$". Just like 1080p not mattering, HDMI, or a large HDD but hey that may all change if rumors of a 360 with blu ray are true.

This may come as a shock, but the gen didnt start with the launch of the PS3...it started in 2005!!!

This "gen" is about 2.5 years from being over.....and as for all those other claims about HDMI, 1080P, blah blah, that is a discussion all by itself. But its been documented since 2005 that BR is not needed to achieve HD gaming on a console. Hell even lil ole obsolete CD did the trick on PC, so Im not buying the BR is needed for gaming hype.

Game On...

I didnt say that this gen started with the PS3 but again the PS3 is the only one with Blu ray and devs have hand their hands on it for a little over a year.You keep using the word need and thats your problem right there. Your right Blu ray isnt needed, but it helps not hurt. I have yet to hear a dev say Blu ray is ruining gaming. And DVD isnt need either, and not even CDs because Steam allows for people to dowload games on to your HDD. Heck even HDD arent need, you see where I am going with this.

The 360, PS3 and Wii also arent needed for gaming, the PS2 is satisfying most gamers so far. Blu ray will never be needed just like DVD isnt or CDs but it sure has its advantages and as devs make games exclusive for the PS3 whether 1st or 3rd party it will very quickly begin to show its advantages.

Like I said how can a person who bought a next gen system earlier then most gamers snub newer technology, I am sure there are plenty of PS2 or Xbox owners saying that the 360 or PS2 have nothing to offer them yet and isnt needed for their gaming fun. Your just being selectivly close minded.

You have to give the cows something - they had such a crap year and things don't look to be getting any better. let them have bluray. soon enough, if lemmings feel the need to buy what is destined to be the next laserdisc -- then by all means buy the bluray attachment MS is surely working on.

personally ill sit back with the popcorn and watch people who know little argue about it like it matters - which of course, it doesn't.

if i ever see a game that truly makes use of bluray in a meaningful way then ill care - until then, i could give 2 *****. not even 1 to be honest, the toilet deserves it more.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="aemena"]

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

So far I haven't seen a big difference in games with normal DVD and BR disk, have anybody else? so if there is no difference in the games (which should be the ONLY reason we should look) then WHY, OH WHY IS BR SO NEEDED????

Javy03

Excellent post and very well said.

There hasn't been one game on PS3 that proves BR is needed. Even Crysis is 6GB uncompressed.

I strongly disagree. Your whole first paragraph is just fanboy ranting. The PS3 has alot of solid games and its sales are very respectible. Its not dominating like the PS2 did but neither is the 360. In fact the 360 is mainly ahead of the PS3 only because of its one year lead which is slowly diminishing as PS3 sales spike worldwide. And to bring up the Wii is just dumb because the Wii is also slaughtering the 360 worldwide.

As for your impression that games on BR dont look any different then games on DVD the thing you dont seem to grasp is that they are mearly storage media. BR and DVD dont make games better. Heck it wasnt till SMG on DVD two gens later that people feel that Mario 64 had a true successor which was on a cartridge. We all know cartridges were more inferior then CDs but Nintendo 64 did just fine using them. Their games looked good and the PS1s game on CD didnt drastically show anyone that CDs are vastly superior then Cartridges.

Heck during the PS2 gen the first batch of PS2 games were on CD because devs didnt see DVD as a need, then they changed their mind the next year and they were on DVD standard. Then that wasnt enough so they moved to DVD9s.

Embrace new tech, heck the 360, Wii, and PS3s are needed for gaming we could all go back to last gen. Need is a strong word for a hobby, nothing is truly needed, just beneficial. Blu ray cant hurt and making it standard on the PS3will allow for you to get a 100 blu ray player sooner.

What MS fans dont understand is that it is better to have and not need then need and not have. Blu ray doesnt affect the PS3s price to much now that its very comprable to the 360s price so there really is no true reason to shun such new good tech. unless your just a fanboy.

And your point is??? if BR will not make much of a difference except for storage media then I ask again, WHY oh why is BR so needed in GAMING according to Cows fanboys?? that's their whole argument "if you don't have blue ray you are not next gen!!" "We have BR you don't" am I missing something that I need now???? no, I don't!

The rest of your words are just a wrong way to get offtopic, if you are in the gaming "hobby" then you are inNEED of entertainment, so that word is not that strong as you think and as I said earlier I don't care the format of the game as long as it is a good game, it can come in cartriges, cds, mini disks, dvds, etc. I only care about the game and so far BR has done nothing to make a game DIFFERENT from the rest or has it?? answer me that, has it??, so I ask again, WHY IS BR SO NEEDED IN GAMING??? WHY?

Oh just so you know I can afford a PS3 easily, and besides why would I need to buy a PS3 if I own a Wii and a 360, I can live without FFXIII and havenever liked the MGS series so what more can I care about the PS3 if those are the system's best exclusives? the games that I want: DMC4, GTA4and RE5 are in the 360 should I say more?

The fact that BR is included in the PS3 will not give me a $100 player in the future, the demand and low marginal cost of making them in the future will. The reason of not paying that difference of price from the 360 and PS3 it's because I will not pay for something I don't need NOW, I spend my money wisely and not throw it away just because BR may be the future!

The question is how many DVD9 does it equal to make one Blue Ray? Really I would like to know.HarlockJC

there is no answer - it depends on what compression you're using.

Blu-ray is not needed. It's just nice to have.Jared2720

Time and time again games developers have emphasized the importance of Blu-ray when developing games. Are you saying you know more then Kojima or Insomniac or Team Bondi ? Are you a games developer ? .

Honestly Blu-ray has proven it's importance and it is bound to be the next leading format when HD becomes standard. Blu-ray benifits boths movies and games, We are only about 2-3 years into this Gen and we have further couple of years to go, whose to say that Blu-ray will be one of the major factors for games development by 2010. Already we seeing games on PS3 which could not be possible without Blu-ray.

Blu-ray is here to stay and that's final.

Here's the thing that most people doesn't understand, Microsoft does not own HD-DVD and Sony does not own Blu Ray, they just invested on them. So whatever new format becomes more standard, then a company like Sony and Microsoft can invest on that format. And besides, Most if not all of the multiplat games between the 360 and PS3 are identical and most if not all multiplat games are superior on the 360 over the PS3 for whatever reason. And this just shows you that Blu Ray doesn't make any significant differences, maybe only with exclusives, but even then these Sony exclusives have high budgets but doesn't sell well and recoup, which is really bad for their gaming business.

[QUOTE="Jared2720"]Blu-ray is not needed. It's just nice to have.Swift_Boss_A

Time and time again games developers have emphasized the importance of Blu-ray when developing games. Are you saying you know more then Kojima or Insomniac or Team Bondi ? Are you a games developer ? .

Honestly Blu-ray has proven it's importance and it is bound to be the next leading format when HD becomes standard. Blu-ray benifits boths movies and games, We are only about 2-3 years into this Gen and we have further couple of years to go, whose to say that Blu-ray will be one of the major factors for games development by 2010. Already we seeing games on PS3 which could not be possible without Blu-ray.

Blu-ray is here to stay and that's final.

What you said would have more value if the fact that consoles weren't now equipped with HDDs. Tell me what game isn't possible without the use of blu ray? MGS4? Uncharted? Those could be compressed on a couple of discs and decompressed on the HDD. Every game this gen is possible without blu ray, its just the fact that cows are trying to argue otherwise. Using the worst excuse in the world: "But you have to use multiple discs!". So freaking what?

[QUOTE="Jared2720"]Blu-ray is not needed. It's just nice to have.Swift_Boss_A

Time and time again games developers have emphasized the importance of Blu-ray when developing games. Are you saying you know more then Kojima or Insomniac or Team Bondi ? Are you a games developer ? .

Honestly Blu-ray has proven it's importance and it is bound to be the next leading format when HD becomes standard. Blu-ray benifits boths movies and games, We are only about 2-3 years into this Gen and we have further couple of years to go, whose to say that Blu-ray will be one of the major factors for games development by 2010. Already we seeing games on PS3 which could not be possible without Blu-ray.

Blu-ray is here to stay and that's final.

Blu-ray is not needed yet for gaming. If anything, blu-ray on the PS3 is a hinderance to game developers not a help. Why do you think some upcoming games are now going to require installing to a hard drive? Blu-ray is too new and the drive speed is to slow to access all that data. DVD9 is still a better way to go for now. The extra space is not needed, quick access is. Any blu ray game that has used more space than is available on DVD was done because they needed to duplicate data all over the disk to make up for slow seek times.

All that being said, adding the blu-ray drive to the PS3 was still a great move by Sony. It helped them win the format war now, and will help increase the PS3 install base once the format war ends. I bought a launch xbox360 and never thought I would be a person to own more than one console, but I will most likely be buying a PS3 later this year for a blu-ray player. Who knows, I may even pick up a game or 2 to go along with it. Sony's mission has been accomplished.

I couldn't care less about the format that games come on. If we get dragged kicking and screaming into a blu-ray era so be it.

As far as the 360 goes the games could come on cassette tape or five and a quarter inch floppies for all I care so long as great games keep coming out.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="aemena"]

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

So far I haven't seen a big difference in games with normal DVD and BR disk, have anybody else? so if there is no difference in the games (which should be the ONLY reason we should look) then WHY, OH WHY IS BR SO NEEDED????

aemena

Excellent post and very well said.

There hasn't been one game on PS3 that proves BR is needed. Even Crysis is 6GB uncompressed.

I strongly disagree. Your whole first paragraph is just fanboy ranting. The PS3 has alot of solid games and its sales are very respectible. Its not dominating like the PS2 did but neither is the 360. In fact the 360 is mainly ahead of the PS3 only because of its one year lead which is slowly diminishing as PS3 sales spike worldwide. And to bring up the Wii is just dumb because the Wii is also slaughtering the 360 worldwide.

As for your impression that games on BR dont look any different then games on DVD the thing you dont seem to grasp is that they are mearly storage media. BR and DVD dont make games better. Heck it wasnt till SMG on DVD two gens later that people feel that Mario 64 had a true successor which was on a cartridge. We all know cartridges were more inferior then CDs but Nintendo 64 did just fine using them. Their games looked good and the PS1s game on CD didnt drastically show anyone that CDs are vastly superior then Cartridges.

Heck during the PS2 gen the first batch of PS2 games were on CD because devs didnt see DVD as a need, then they changed their mind the next year and they were on DVD standard. Then that wasnt enough so they moved to DVD9s.

Embrace new tech, heck the 360, Wii, and PS3s are needed for gaming we could all go back to last gen. Need is a strong word for a hobby, nothing is truly needed, just beneficial. Blu ray cant hurt and making it standard on the PS3will allow for you to get a 100 blu ray player sooner.

What MS fans dont understand is that it is better to have and not need then need and not have. Blu ray doesnt affect the PS3s price to much now that its very comprable to the 360s price so there really is no true reason to shun such new good tech. unless your just a fanboy.

And your point is??? if BR will not make much of a difference except for storage media then I ask again, WHY oh why is BR so needed in GAMING according to Cows fanboys?? that's their whole argument "if you don't have blue ray you are not next gen!!" "We have BR you don't" am I missing something that I need now???? no, I don't!

The rest of your words are just a wrong way to get offtopic, if you are in the gaming "hobby" then you are inNEED of entertainment, so that word is not that strong as you think and as I said earlier I don't care the format of the game as long as it is a good game, it can come in cartriges, cds, mini disks, dvds, etc. I only care about the game and so far BR has done nothing to make a game DIFFERENT from the rest or has it?? answer me that, has it??, so I ask again, WHY IS BR SO NEEDED IN GAMING??? WHY?

Oh just so you know I can afford a PS3 easily, and besides why would I need to buy a PS3 if I own a Wii and a 360, I can live without FFXIII and havenever liked the MGS series so what more can I care about the PS3 if those are the system's best exclusives? the games that I want: DMC4, GTA4and RE5 are in the 360 should I say more?

The fact that BR is included in the PS3 will not give me a $100 player in the future, the demand and low marginal cost of making them in the future will. The reason of not paying that difference of price from the 360 and PS3 it's because I will not pay for something I don't need NOW, I spend my money wisely and not throw it away just because BR may be the future!

You are agruing against a fanboy arguement. I never said BR is NEEDED. I am not a "cow" and your first paragraph is not my stance nor the majority of peoples stance, just the stance of a few fanboys. But that doesnt mean that the other extreme is right which is Blu ray does not help gaming, of course it does just likethe internal HDD has helped, larger ram, and better processors. Now those things dont make better games, thats up to how devs use it.

And as for the last paragraph of course BR included in the PS3 is the reason 100 dollar blu ray players will come in the near future. Demand for Blu ray movies have risen dramitcally after the PS3 has launched in every region. NA sold more HD DVDs until the PS3 launched as well as Europe, Japan was always pro Blu ray. This high demand created by having millions of blu ray players in peoples homes lead to mass production of blu ray players and parts which in then lowers the overall price.

I have nothing against the 360, I just chose thePS3 because it satisfied my movie and gaming hobby. I spend my money wisely too and for me if I was gonna spend 400-500 dollars on a system, it better offer me new stable technology and be able to do more then just play games.

[QUOTE="FatalDomain"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="FatalDomain"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

Aside from getting off topic, BR is not a benefit for gaming (this gen). But hey, Im sure if Sony would have pushed for its games on flash drives (i.e the rerturn of cartridges), the bovine club would backed that decision 100%. So in the end all you are saying is "ITS A SONY".

Game On...

Javy03

Interesting assumption, but of course all that is, is an assumption. This gen Sony backed a step forward in movies, games and storage and alot smarter people then SW posters agree. Apple, Fox, Disney, Sony, Warner, ete.. all support Blu ray asa step foward not back.

As for BR not benefitting gaming (this gen.) we are one year into the PS3s life cycle. Do you honestly believe that devs have tapped out all the uses of the hardware and media capabilities of the PS3. I doubt it, like I said the PS2s first batches of games were all on CDs, yet ended on DVD9s.

Anyways as much fun as you had bashing one group of gamers you still ignore the fact that currently it is MS fans like you that is backing the decision to not progress storage wise saying "Its M$". Just like 1080p not mattering, HDMI, or a large HDD but hey that may all change if rumors of a 360 with blu ray are true.

This may come as a shock, but the gen didnt start with the launch of the PS3...it started in 2005!!!

This "gen" is about 2.5 years from being over.....and as for all those other claims about HDMI, 1080P, blah blah, that is a discussion all by itself. But its been documented since 2005 that BR is not needed to achieve HD gaming on a console. Hell even lil ole obsolete CD did the trick on PC, so Im not buying the BR is needed for gaming hype.

Game On...

I didnt say that this gen started with the PS3 but again the PS3 is the only one with Blu ray and devs have hand their hands on it for a little over a year.You keep using the word need and thats your problem right there. Your right Blu ray isnt needed, but it helps not hurt. I have yet to hear a dev say Blu ray is ruining gaming. And DVD isnt need either, and not even CDs because Steam allows for people to dowload games on to your HDD. Heck even HDD arent need, you see where I am going with this.

The 360, PS3 and Wii also arent needed for gaming, the PS2 is satisfying most gamers so far. Blu ray will never be needed just like DVD isnt or CDs but it sure has its advantages and as devs make games exclusive for the PS3 whether 1st or 3rd party it will very quickly begin to show its advantages.

Like I said how can a person who bought a next gen system earlier then most gamers snub newer technology, I am sure there are plenty of PS2 or Xbox owners saying that the 360 or PS2 have nothing to offer them yet and isnt needed for their gaming fun. Your just being selectivly close minded.

First, what the hell browser are you using thats ripping up your quotes?!?!?

Second, we are talking about the general consensus of Sony and their fanboys that Blu-ray is NEEDED for gaming. If it was as simple as Sony saying "Blu-ray is helpful, but not needed for HD gaming" it would have derailed their initiative to push the media as a standard and its inclusion in the PS3 would have been pointless. Now that the infamous cat is out of the bag behind Sony true intentions with Blu-ray (HD movies), many PS3/BR backers are now retreating on thier previous claims of "BR needed for gaming" statements by saying BR is merely a added HD movie incentive with potential to benefit gaming.

Game On...

Here's the thing that most people doesn't understand, Microsoft does not own HD-DVD and Sony does not own Blu Ray, they just invested on them. So whatever new format becomes more standard, then a company like Sony and Microsoft can invest on that format. And besides, Most if not all of the multiplat games between the 360 and PS3 are identical and most if not all multiplat games are superior on the 360 over the PS3 for whatever reason. And this just shows you that Blu Ray doesn't make any significant differences, maybe only with exclusives, but even then these Sony exclusives have high budgets but doesn't sell well and recoup, which is really bad for their gaming business.

ReverseCycology

Sony is one of the co founders of Blu ray so if it becomes standard they will make money off every blu ray disk sold. MS is just an ivestory and supporter of HD DVD, not the co founder so it becoming standard wouldnt benefit them nearly as much.

As for multiplats being better on the 360we have seen many examples of games that were given equal development time on the PS3 being just as good as the 360 counterpart which devs have1 extra year ofexperience with. And of course there will never be an example of a MULTIPLAT showing the benefits of Blu ray. Thats why its a multiplat. Its not beneficial for devs to make one version vastly more superior then the other so they only use specs that both can handle and play it safe, as opposed to exclusives which attempt to push the limits of one particlular console without worrying about fitting it on another different console.

If you wanna see Blu ray benefit on gaming, dont look at mulitplats, look at the PS3s exclusive now available and to come.

Blu-ray is not needed. It's just nice to have.Jared2720

It's a luxury right now. It'll eventually be needed, but not for another 3-5yrs down the road. Most companies don't even have the budget to fill the disk.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="FatalDomain"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="FatalDomain"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

Aside from getting off topic, BR is not a benefit for gaming (this gen). But hey, Im sure if Sony would have pushed for its games on flash drives (i.e the rerturn of cartridges), the bovine club would backed that decision 100%. So in the end all you are saying is "ITS A SONY".

Game On...

FatalDomain

Interesting assumption, but of course all that is, is an assumption. This gen Sony backed a step forward in movies, games and storage and alot smarter people then SW posters agree. Apple, Fox, Disney, Sony, Warner, ete.. all support Blu ray asa step foward not back.

As for BR not benefitting gaming (this gen.) we are one year into the PS3s life cycle. Do you honestly believe that devs have tapped out all the uses of the hardware and media capabilities of the PS3. I doubt it, like I said the PS2s first batches of games were all on CDs, yet ended on DVD9s.

Anyways as much fun as you had bashing one group of gamers you still ignore the fact that currently it is MS fans like you that is backing the decision to not progress storage wise saying "Its M$". Just like 1080p not mattering, HDMI, or a large HDD but hey that may all change if rumors of a 360 with blu ray are true.

This may come as a shock, but the gen didnt start with the launch of the PS3...it started in 2005!!!

This "gen" is about 2.5 years from being over.....and as for all those other claims about HDMI, 1080P, blah blah, that is a discussion all by itself. But its been documented since 2005 that BR is not needed to achieve HD gaming on a console. Hell even lil ole obsolete CD did the trick on PC, so Im not buying the BR is needed for gaming hype.

Game On...

I didnt say that this gen started with the PS3 but again the PS3 is the only one with Blu ray and devs have hand their hands on it for a little over a year.You keep using the word need and thats your problem right there. Your right Blu ray isnt needed, but it helps not hurt. I have yet to hear a dev say Blu ray is ruining gaming. And DVD isnt need either, and not even CDs because Steam allows for people to dowload games on to your HDD. Heck even HDD arent need, you see where I am going with this.

The 360, PS3 and Wii also arent needed for gaming, the PS2 is satisfying most gamers so far. Blu ray will never be needed just like DVD isnt or CDs but it sure has its advantages and as devs make games exclusive for the PS3 whether 1st or 3rd party it will very quickly begin to show its advantages.

Like I said how can a person who bought a next gen system earlier then most gamers snub newer technology, I am sure there are plenty of PS2 or Xbox owners saying that the 360 or PS2 have nothing to offer them yet and isnt needed for their gaming fun. Your just being selectivly close minded.

First, what the hell browser are you using thats ripping up your quotes?!?!?

Second, we are talking about the general consensus of Sony and their fanboys that Blu-ray is NEEDED for gaming. If it was as simple as Sony saying "Blu-ray is helpful, but not needed for HD gaming" it would have derailed their initiative to push the media as a standard and its inclusion in the PS3 would have been pointless. Now that the infamous cat is out of the bag behind Sony true intentions with Blu-ray (HD movies), many PS3/BR backers are now retreating on thier previous claims of "BR needed for gaming" statements by saying BR is merely a added HD movie incentive with potential to benefit gaming.

Game On...

Again your focusing on a few fanboy rants. No Blu ray isnt needed for gaming, but neither is DVD9, DVD, or CDs. Blu ray offers alot of potential for game developers and I haveyet to hear of one complain about how BLu ray will hurt deving for games.

You dont think its needed because your gaming without it. Good for you, Wii owners dont think HD is needed because they are gaming without it, great. The only thing needed for gaming is a screen a gameand some form of controls.

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

So far I haven't seen a big difference in games with normal DVD and BR disk, have anybody else? so if there is no difference in the games (which should be the ONLY reason we should look) then WHY, OH WHY IS BR SO NEEDED????

aemena

this is why i love comming to system wars, seeing nut jobs like this guy post :lol: keep on

[QUOTE="aemena"]

My friend, this is only a big damage control from Cows, because BR is the only thing that they can put their hope in for their PS3, they are getting their butts kicked in every other direction, their console is in last place, theyhave lostalot of exclusives, the inferior Wii is outselling them almost 4 to 1 worldwide, the multiplatform games look much better on the 360....should I go on?

I really don't care for BR right now, I am very happy with my normal DVD player, all my movies are in that format and they will continue to be in that format for quite a while. But the time I want to change to BR, the players will be $100 and the movies will be at reasonable prices, right now it's a luxury that I DONT NEED! so why pay for something I don't need??? this is the question Cows don't understand, for them BR is MUST NOW!

So far I haven't seen a big difference in games with normal DVD and BR disk, have anybody else? so if there is no difference in the games (which should be the ONLY reason we should look) then WHY, OH WHY IS BR SO NEEDED????

Miss_Wacy

this is why i love comming to system wars, seeing nut jobs like this guy post :lol: keep on

So posying the truth makes someone a nut job, now? Truth hurts, eh?

[QUOTE="aemena"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="aemena"]

And your point is??? if BR will not make much of a difference except for storage media then I ask again, WHY oh why is BR so needed in GAMING according to Cows fanboys?? that's their whole argument "if you don't have blue ray you are not next gen!!" "We have BR you don't" am I missing something that I need now???? no, I don't!

The rest of your words are just a wrong way to get offtopic, if you are in the gaming "hobby" then you are inNEED of entertainment, so that word is not that strong as you think and as I said earlier I don't care the format of the game as long as it is a good game, it can come in cartriges, cds, mini disks, dvds, etc. I only care about the game and so far BR has done nothing to make a game DIFFERENT from the rest or has it?? answer me that, has it??, so I ask again, WHY IS BR SO NEEDED IN GAMING??? WHY?

Oh just so you know I can afford a PS3 easily, and besides why would I need to buy a PS3 if I own a Wii and a 360, I can live without FFXIII and havenever liked the MGS series so what more can I care about the PS3 if those are the system's best exclusives? the games that I want: DMC4, GTA4and RE5 are in the 360 should I say more?

The fact that BR is included in the PS3 will not give me a $100 player in the future, the demand and low marginal cost of making them in the future will. The reason of not paying that difference of price from the 360 and PS3 it's because I will not pay for something I don't need NOW, I spend my money wisely and not throw it away just because BR may be the future!

Javy03

You are agruing against a fanboy arguement. I never said BR is NEEDED. I am not a "cow" and your first paragraph is not my stance nor the majority of peoples stance, just the stance of a few fanboys. But that doesnt mean that the other extreme is right which is Blu ray does not help gaming, of course it does just likethe internal HDD has helped, larger ram, and better processors. Now those things dont make better games, thats up to how devs use it.

And as for the last paragraph of course BR included in the PS3 is the reason 100 dollar blu ray players will come in the near future. Demand for Blu ray movies have risen dramitcally after the PS3 has launched in every region. NA sold more HD DVDs until the PS3 launched as well as Europe, Japan was always pro Blu ray. This high demand created by having millions of blu ray players in peoples homes lead to mass production of blu ray players and parts which in then lowers the overall price.

I have nothing against the 360, I just chose thePS3 because it satisfied my movie and gaming hobby. I spend my money wisely too and for me if I was gonna spend 400-500 dollars on a system, it better offer me new stable technology and be able to do more then just play games.

My friend, I would like to believe what you say, but the fact of the matter that it's just your perspective, and a wrong perspective it is,BR player's demand has increased not because they are included in the PS3, if that's what you want to believe and makes you sleep at night then fine, have it your way but the fact of the matter is that demand has increased because BR has everyday more and more studios that support it than the HD DVD, and now with WB going exclusive their demand will be even higher plus the big adverstising strategy that has been used for BR has helped the demand to increase. That has nothing to do with the PS3, has the PS3 helped in its demand? yes, it sure did, but it's not the main and only factor, as you say,of why the demand for BR has increased. I have friends and relatives that have BR players and don't even intend to buy a PS3. Let's put it this way,a person wants to make the jump into the next gen in movies and is considering buying a new player but he doesn't know which so you go to a store and you see 50 BR movies and only 10 HD DVD movies, which in your most logic idea would think this person will choose a BR player or a HD DVD player??, more studios means more movies available and you will go with the player that offers you more options.

What I am saying is that the success of the BR doesn't depend of the PS3 success or viceversa, they are together but are not the same thing, just because I like movies doesn't mean automatically that I like to play video games or does it?

I also don't have nothing against the PS3, I have a PS2 and love it, and just like you I chose the 360 because it satisfies my gaming needs better than the PS3, I still use standar DVD to watch my movies and will continue to use them until they are no longer manufactured, that's why I don't need a PS3.

Thank goodness for this ounce of sanity!!! :Pcheapness1

[QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

It seems to me that there are far too many threads trying to justify why blu-ray is not needed. This to me is just like the amount of threads us lemmings have to put up with trying to prove why the Halo series isn't as great as we think and know it is.

DVD9 is doing OK, but it's not great - Lost Oddessy, Blue Dragon. I'd rather not have to worry about space and I bet I'm not the only one.

So stop making blu-ray's not needed threads. If we have to justify and defend DVD9 so much, then that just shows we a worried. I'm not worried, I don't mind having to swap discs, but that to me is how you guys who make the threads appear.

D3monchicken

WHAT!? WHA WHA WHAT!?!?! You want people on systemwars to stop arguing about the same old dang things 0.0 BLASPHEMER!

I agree. I think the official point of system wars is to have a never ending argument over tom foolery and poppycock.