*sigh* Sales are Indicative of NOTHING more than MARKETING BUDGET

Crysis sold 2.5 million or more with zero advertising.

Its not nearly as black and white as you'd like to believe.

Crysis sold 2.5 million or more with zero advertising.

Its not nearly as black and white as you'd like to believe.

LucLongleyMVP

Use the Witcher as a better example, Crysis actually did get advertisted.

Sales indicat marketing to a point but the product itself is important too. And Sony wants KZ to be big, they just don't want to spend the millions to make it happen which is reasonable because even a 250 million advertising campaign will not attract people to KZ/

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Crysis sold 2.5 million or more with zero advertising.

Its not nearly as black and white as you'd like to believe.

N30F3N1X

Use the Witcher as a better example, Crysis actually did get advertisted.

Crysis sold 2.5 million or more with zero advertising.

Its not nearly as black and white as you'd like to believe.

LucLongleyMVP

So Wii had a bigger marketing budget then 360? I think not.

So Wii had a bigger marketing budget then 360? I think not.

magnax1

Probably did, the marketing for the Wii was pretty extensive.

Crysis sold 2.5 million or more with zero advertising.

Its not nearly as black and white as you'd like to believe.

LucLongleyMVP

The PC gaming industry is also MUCH more hardcore of a market. For instance, PC gamers are almost ALL fully aware of everything on their platform alot more than anyone else. Most people who take the time to build an expensive ass rig, will also take the time and effort into finding out the best games. Not saying that they are "nerds" or anything, but most of them spend alot of time on the internet, and are a very hardcore and vocal community. Console users hare different. A small majority of them belong to the hardcore gaming community, and would ever post on a forum like this. They are MUCH less aware of what their console has to offer. Most of them are parents who buy their console for their children, and most of them just buys the games that pop culture tells them to, I.E. Modern Warfare 2, Halo....... When Halo 3 came out, a buddy of mine just around the corner who is very loose with his money ran out and bought it at midnight launch. Never played a halo game in his life, and didnt even really game like that. months later, he tells me he barely even playes it, never even played the campaign more than like 30 mintues, and thought it was overhyped trash. Not saying that the quality isnt there, I fully acknowlege the game's quality, but he bought the game blindly just because friggin MTV and mountain dew told him he should.TheMISCMan48

That's a lot of consistency for a level 1, I'm impressed.

Although I don't really know where did the sales argument come out from.

Have you got a link to back up those numbers? Anjunaddict

Call of Duty [Modern Warfare 2] cost $40 million to $50 million to produce, people close to the project said, about as much as a mid-size film. Including marketing expenses and the cost of producing and distributing discs, the launch budget was $200 million, on par with a summer popcorn movie -- and extremely high for a video game. Modern Warfare 2 Cost 200 Million Hidden Game Modes Unlocked On PC

While the $55 million spent on making Halo 3 pales into insignificance compared to the $200 million Microsoft reportedly spent on marketing the game.

Crysis sold 2.5 million or more with zero advertising.

Its not nearly as black and white as you'd like to believe.

LucLongleyMVP

I didnt see much MGS4 ads (at least I didnt think so), and that went on and sold 5 million (one of the greatest games imo)

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Crysis sold 2.5 million or more with zero advertising.

Its not nearly as black and white as you'd like to believe.

TheMISCMan48

Hardcore gamers know about every game. Hence the hardcore part. Advertising is for the casuals and KZ2 is not marketed towards casuals.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="TheMISCMan48"]Halo 3 had more than $200 million spend on marketing over its lifetime, Modern Warfare 2 had a $250 Million LAUNCH advertisement campaing (and id imagine even more was spent on after launch) compared to Killzone 2's measely $4 million marketing budget. So it is foolish to always compare halo to every damn game that comes out. STOP HYPING SALES THEY DONT MEAN ANYTHING. The reason games like Wii fit, Wii sports, Modern Warfare 2, Halo, and Gran Turismo sold like that is because of the marketing campaign. Give Killzone 2 a $250 Million + marketing campaing and you can bet your ass it will do Modern Warfare 2 numbers (relative to one console). Why dont people understand this? The game's sales have to do with how much the publisher is willing to spend, and how large of a campaign they are willing to prepare for their game. Now I understand quality comes into play, but when you are comparing AAA titles, the quality is undisputed. Otherwise, they would not be AAA. If Sony wants Killzone 3 to sell Halo Reach numbers, they have to MAKE it sell Halo Reach numbers. People buy what they are TOLD to buy, and like what they are TOLD to like. simple as that. Ive just noticed that 360 fanboys are falling back on sales as hard as ever now that they are backed into a corner.TheMISCMan48

Umm why would anyone compare UC2 to Halo 3? Its not relevent in any way.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="TheMISCMan48"]Halo 3 had more than $200 million spend on marketing over its lifetime, Modern Warfare 2 had a $250 Million LAUNCH advertisement campaing (and id imagine even more was spent on after launch) compared to Killzone 2's measely $4 million marketing budget. So it is foolish to always compare halo to every damn game that comes out. STOP HYPING SALES THEY DONT MEAN ANYTHING. The reason games like Wii fit, Wii sports, Modern Warfare 2, Halo, and Gran Turismo sold like that is because of the marketing campaign. Give Killzone 2 a $250 Million + marketing campaing and you can bet your ass it will do Modern Warfare 2 numbers (relative to one console). Why dont people understand this? The game's sales have to do with how much the publisher is willing to spend, and how large of a campaign they are willing to prepare for their game. Now I understand quality comes into play, but when you are comparing AAA titles, the quality is undisputed. Otherwise, they would not be AAA. If Sony wants Killzone 3 to sell Halo Reach numbers, they have to MAKE it sell Halo Reach numbers. People buy what they are TOLD to buy, and like what they are TOLD to like. simple as that. Ive just noticed that 360 fanboys are falling back on sales as hard as ever now that they are backed into a corner.TheMISCMan48

9.5 = 9.5

Am i missing something here?

Crysis sold 2.5 million or more with zero advertising.

Its not nearly as black and white as you'd like to believe.

[QUOTE="TheMISCMan48"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] All those games were also good (well, critically acclaimed), so it's not like they didn't deserve good sales.DroidPhysX

9.5 = 9.5

Am i missing something here?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="TheMISCMan48"] Again, I fully acknowlege their quality. I just find it rediculous and ignorant when people act like Halo 3's sales mean something compared to games like Killzone 3. Or even more importantly, 360 fans seem to think sales make Halo more fun than uncharted 2, when its almost unanimously agreed by every possible yardstick that it is inferior to Uncharted 2 (if we go by critical acclaim that is). Its like they think the sales make up for having inferior graphics and polish.TheMISCMan48

9.5 = 9.5

Am i missing something here?

And yet you said Halo is inferior in every possible way (by critical acclaim), and I see 9.5 from GS to both games. Plus, we use GS scores here, GR/Meta dont matter in SW...

For all the major hype Killzone 2 received, its sales are pretty average.CuteCakes

[QUOTE="TheMISCMan48"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

9.5 = 9.5

Am i missing something here?

DroidPhysX

And yet you said Halo is inferior in every possible way (by critical acclaim), and I see 9.5 from GS to both games. Plus, we use GS scores here, GR/Meta dont matter in SW...

Correction. We use GS scores to determine flops. Everything else is pretty much on the table when we compare scores of games. That's why we had a lot of fanboys posting scores from foreign magazines some time ago.

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[QUOTE="TheMISCMan48"] Again, I fully acknowlege their quality. I just find it rediculous and ignorant when people act like Halo 3's sales mean something compared to games like Killzone 3. Or even more importantly, 360 fans seem to think sales make Halo more fun than uncharted 2, when its almost unanimously agreed by every possible yardstick that it is inferior to Uncharted 2 (if we go by critical acclaim that is). Its like they think the sales make up for having inferior graphics and polish.TheMISCMan48

9.5 = 9.5

Am i missing something here?

Hmm...bashing the 360...making pro PS3 threads which also bash the 360...you look incredibly familiar to a couple of users that have been here and been banned some months ago...

Oh, and regarding the highlight, this is the GameSpot System Wars forum. Bringing up Metacritic and Gametankings numbers aren't going to help you here. :)

I believe that's true to a certain extent, especially at the point at which sales becomes the marketing. "McDonald's, over 100 billion hamburgers sold."

Goes to show what people have become. They don't research, they don't learn anything about what they're interested in, they just do what they're told like good little idiots.

Crysis sold 2.5 million or more with zero advertising.

Its not nearly as black and white as you'd like to believe.

[QUOTE="TheMISCMan48"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

9.5 = 9.5

Am i missing something here?

The_Game21x

Hmm...bashing the 360...making pro PS3 threads which also bash the 360...you look incredibly familiar to a couple of users that have been here and been banned some months ago...

Oh, and regarding the highlight, this is the GameSpot System Wars forum. Bringing up Metacritic and Gametankings numbers aren't going to help you here. :)

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[QUOTE="TheMISCMan48"] I was going by Gamerankings/Metacritic numbers, but thats the same thing IM saying. 9.5=9.5. It is 360 fanboys who are saying that that isnt true lol. To them 9.5+10 million sales > 9.5 + 4 million sales.TheMISCMan48

Hmm...bashing the 360...making pro PS3 threads which also bash the 360...you look incredibly familiar to a couple of users that have been here and been banned some months ago...

Oh, and regarding the highlight, this is the GameSpot System Wars forum. Bringing up Metacritic and Gametankings numbers aren't going to help you here. :)

You...your....you're the one that made it about scores now, when you opened up the can of worms about UC2 and Halo 3...

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[QUOTE="TheMISCMan48"] I was going by Gamerankings/Metacritic numbers, but thats the same thing IM saying. 9.5=9.5. It is 360 fanboys who are saying that that isnt true lol. To them 9.5+10 million sales > 9.5 + 4 million sales.TheMISCMan48

Hmm...bashing the 360...making pro PS3 threads which also bash the 360...you look incredibly familiar to a couple of users that have been here and been banned some months ago...

Oh, and regarding the highlight, this is the GameSpot System Wars forum. Bringing up Metacritic and Gametankings numbers aren't going to help you here. :)

You're right, it's extremely common for level 1 posters to come into System Wars and start threads trolling one system or another...especially if they've been here before...:wink:

If this thread wasn't meant to be about scores then...why did you bring them up or even respond to comments about them in the first place? :?

[QUOTE="TheMISCMan48"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Hmm...bashing the 360...making pro PS3 threads which also bash the 360...you look incredibly familiar to a couple of users that have been here and been banned some months ago...

Oh, and regarding the highlight, this is the GameSpot System Wars forum. Bringing up Metacritic and Gametankings numbers aren't going to help you here. :)

The_Game21x

You're right, it's extremely common for level 1 posters to come into System Wars and start threads trolling one system or another...especially if they've been here before...:wink:

If this thread wasn't meant to be about scores then...why did you bring them up or even respond to comments about them in the first place? :?

Xenosaga Ep I and II would indicate that no matter how much you advertise, sometimes it's just not going to sell.

[QUOTE="CuteCakes"]For all the major hype Killzone 2 received, its sales are pretty average.TheMISCMan48

So they spend 60 million on making the game and only 4 million for marketing? sounds pretty fail to me

[QUOTE="TheMISCMan48"][QUOTE="CuteCakes"]For all the major hype Killzone 2 received, its sales are pretty average.NanoMan88

So they spend 60 million on making the game and only 4 million for marketing? sounds pretty fail to me

nintendo does little to no marketing for their hardcore games while they do a lot of marketing for their casual games

and looking at sales the casual games are selling a whole lot better so yeah

So how do games like NSMB keep ending up on the top ten NPD every month when nintendo stopped advertising for it a year ago :?Sp4rtan_3

Because Mario has been the most recognizable video game character for decades.

And they do still advertise it. Nintendo has stated their games don't drop in quality just because a year or two goes by. When the DSi XL came out they used New Super Mario Bros DS to advertise i which came out in 2006 I believe.

Mario Kart Wii also gets an advertisement here and there.

Stalker sold 4mil and its from a indie dev

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]So how do games like NSMB keep ending up on the top ten NPD every month when nintendo stopped advertising for it a year ago :?treedoor

Because Mario has been the most recognizable video game character for decades.

And they do still advertise it. Nintendo has stated their games don't drop in quality just because a year or two goes by. When the DSi XL came out they used New Super Mario Bros DS to advertise i which came out in 2006 I believe.

Mario Kart Wii also gets an advertisement here and there.

because casuals

a game where mario watches paint dry would sell at least 10mil copies

You do make a really good point. I think that in the future when we want to use sales figures, we should also provide the marketing costs. Then you have a better idea whether those sales were because of the game or something else.

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[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]So how do games like NSMB keep ending up on the top ten NPD every month when nintendo stopped advertising for it a year ago :?Ultizer

Because Mario has been the most recognizable video game character for decades.

And they do still advertise it. Nintendo has stated their games don't drop in quality just because a year or two goes by. When the DSi XL came out they used New Super Mario Bros DS to advertise i which came out in 2006 I believe.

Mario Kart Wii also gets an advertisement here and there.

because casuals

a game where mario watches paint dry would sell at least 10mil copies

Obviously, as the Mario games this gen have just been awful.

dont listen to the bull

crysis and warhead together have pulled near 6mil sales, they sold well, EA said so

crytek know (well they think) they can reach sales numbers of halo and MW2 if they make crysis multi-plat, sigh its not that easy, putting a game on consoles doesnt = MW2 sales numbers, lots of console games flop, alan wake is a good example for the lems, Killzone 2 and resistance 2 for the cows, every 3rd party wii game for the nostalgia goggle wearing manchildren.. i mean sheep

TLDR: I wish ps3 exclusives sold as much as 360 exclusives :cry:

Not fully but to a major extend yes. Look at the music genre, sales do not indicate quality. Hannah Montana and Justin Bieber prove that.Diviniuz

IMO the Forza games are Hannah Montana and the Halo games arethe Justin Biebers :)

Crysis sold 2.5 million or more with zero advertising.

Its not nearly as black and white as you'd like to believe.

LucLongleyMVP