Just because a game is innovative doesn't mean it's good(Prey anyone?). You don't have to be the first person to do some thing to be the best at it. For example look at Halo, sure the main character has a dirtbike helmet for armour and the Elite's look like creature's from the movie "Aliens" hell the setting looks like it was ripped right out of the book "RingWorld", but that didn't stop it from being one of the best FPS games ever made. Halo isn't great because of innovation, it's great because it took many different elements from many different games, movies, books etc. improved upon and then combined them with an original story into a very well polished game. When you really think about it most games are not innovative at all. So before you go make your Anti-(insert game here) threads please come up with a real arguement not some old worn out misconception.
Didn't Halo create the current setup for non keyboard/mouse fps controller schemes? You may be happy with playing the same game with different models, but that's not my thing.
Innovative games are more unique. So they stand out more. That usually means it will attract more attention and sell better. Not all games have to be innovative to be good though, you're right. Games that aren't unique though should try to do things better than the things it derives from. Also, the reason I don't like Halo is that it doesn't do anything FPS's weren't doing 6 years before it was out.
you know you make a good point and then u bring up a game that was very inovative oh and even though your right its the innovative ones that sell the very best
it doesn't halo 2 and probably 3 are good examples along with, geow, FF, and even MGS4. none of them do anything innovative but they do however add in element on a base of good features and gameplay to make it different.
Innovative games are more unique. So they stand out more. That usually means it will attract more attention and sell better. Not all games have to be innovative to be good though, you're right. Games that aren't unique though should try to do things better than the things it derives from. Also, the reason I don't like Halo is that it doesn't do anything FPS's weren't doing 6 years before it was out.Svarthek
CS and Starcraft didn't exactly reinvent anything, they just made everything a lot more fun.
it doesn't halo 2 and probably 3 are good examples along with, geow, FF, and even MGS4. none of them do anything innovative but they do however add in element on a base of good features and gameplay to make it different.Ragashahs
Didn't Halo create the current setup for non keyboard/mouse fps controller schemes? You may be happy with playing the same game with different models, but that's not my thing. TwiztidJoker
You're thinking of goldeneye.
And no, games do not have to be innovative, they just have to be fun. But sometimes when you're playing a game that feels too much like "been there done that" it greatly takes away from that fun.
Innovative games are more unique. So they stand out more. That usually means it will attract more attention and sell better. Not all games have to be innovative to be good though, you're right. Games that aren't unique though should try to do things better than the things it derives from. Also, the reason I don't like Halo is that it doesn't do anything FPS's weren't doing 6 years before it was out.Svarthek
They don't. I would like to see some developers re-invent some old gaming styles that while not innovative have not been done well in a long time. Often I have a problem with over-saturation and do not enjoy playing too many similar games but that doesn't mean I won't want to go back to an old favorite style of game after a long absence.
Uniqueness and originality go hand in hand with innovation man... look at the definitions
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/original
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/unique
But as for good... I am not interested in games that are notinnovative in some way...
HaloFan77
Well then you're obviously not interested in many(if any) games or you just have really low standards for innovation.
Actually I just play different kinds of games... I do not restrict myself to a few genres and only play those... also I understand when a game is innovative... it does not always have to involve gameplay...
[QUOTE="HaloFan77"][QUOTE="Svarthek"]Innovative games are more unique. So they stand out more. That usually means it will attract more attention and sell better. Not all games have to be innovative to be good though, you're right. Games that aren't unique though should try to do things better than the things it derives from. Also, the reason I don't like Halo is that it doesn't do anything FPS's weren't doing 6 years before it was out.Svarthek
Halo is plenty unique. Whatever helps you sleep at night... WOW, maturety must be more sparce than I thought.
a good game doesn't have to be innovative to be good. But when the formula of a game gets old and boring, something new, innovative and fun is always good
[QUOTE="Svarthek"][QUOTE="HaloFan77"][QUOTE="Svarthek"]Innovative games are more unique. So they stand out more. That usually means it will attract more attention and sell better. Not all games have to be innovative to be good though, you're right. Games that aren't unique though should try to do things better than the things it derives from. Also, the reason I don't like Halo is that it doesn't do anything FPS's weren't doing 6 years before it was out.HaloFan77
Halo is plenty unique. Whatever helps you sleep at night... WOW, maturety must be more sparce than I thought. It has nothing to do with maturity. You're simply lying to yourself. I'm sure Halo is good, but it is not anything new.
[QUOTE="HaloFan77"][QUOTE="Svarthek"][QUOTE="HaloFan77"][QUOTE="Svarthek"]Innovative games are more unique. So they stand out more. That usually means it will attract more attention and sell better. Not all games have to be innovative to be good though, you're right. Games that aren't unique though should try to do things better than the things it derives from. Also, the reason I don't like Halo is that it doesn't do anything FPS's weren't doing 6 years before it was out.Svarthek
Halo is plenty unique. Whatever helps you sleep at night... WOW, maturety must be more sparce than I thought. It has nothing to do with maturity. You're simply lying to yourself. I'm sure Halo is good, but it is not anything new. I'm not lying to any one, saying Halo isn't unique is almost as bad as saying Michail Jackson isn't a child molester.
[QUOTE="Svarthek"][QUOTE="HaloFan77"][QUOTE="Svarthek"][QUOTE="HaloFan77"][QUOTE="Svarthek"]Innovative games are more unique. So they stand out more. That usually means it will attract more attention and sell better. Not all games have to be innovative to be good though, you're right. Games that aren't unique though should try to do things better than the things it derives from. Also, the reason I don't like Halo is that it doesn't do anything FPS's weren't doing 6 years before it was out.HaloFan77
Halo is plenty unique. Whatever helps you sleep at night... WOW, maturety must be more sparce than I thought. It has nothing to do with maturity. You're simply lying to yourself. I'm sure Halo is good, but it is not anything new. I'm not lying to any one, saying Halo isn't unique is almost as bad as saying Michail Jackson isn't a child molester. why couldnt u say a great musical artist. COme on Beat it, Mary Jane, Dont Stop till u get enough, Smooth Criminal, clas.sic. why do we always gotta bring up the fact he F'ed little kids.
sorry my friend was blasting beat it all day, so i had to defend wacko jacko.
anyway no they dont have to be innovative just not stale. Which Halo isnt, which i will bet Halo 3 isnt. Halo 3 will have an amazing MP and SP and will own and will be AAA(9.5 is my pick). IMFO
You need some innovation or every game just starts to look and play like every other game... the one thing that put me off the PS2 in the end was that you could get great games like Resident Evil or a good looking, but ultimately dull, driver like GT... but there would also be 40-50 generic clones clogging up the shelves following the exact same dull formula.
Stuff like ICO and SOTC got overlooked, and they deserved a lot better.
If theres no innovation in games we'll just end up with dozens of racers/rpgs/fps's that all play the exact same way and gaming becomes an empty experience.
it doesn't halo 2 and probably 3 are good examples along with, geow, FF, and even MGS4. none of them do anything innovative but they do however add in element on a base of good features and gameplay to make it different.Ragashahs
Halo 2 was one of the first games with automatic regeneration of health after a little while, and Halo 3 is the first game I've seen with 4-player co-op. Other than that, I agree with your point.
Because if its just more of the same, it becomes stagnant and boring. I don't think I have ever played a game that hasn't introduced at least something new and has been fun.
Take Gears of War for example. It's not innovative, but if refined so many existing gameplay elements so that it's an amazing game. However, innovation can be a good thing, too. Where would we be without new, innovative games? We'd be drowning in a sea of sequels and clones. And it seems there are already quite a bit of them. The Halo and Grand Theft Auto clones are really getting old, so we need some innovation sometimes. We need something new that hasn't been done before to keep thigns fresh.
Games have to be innovative to be groundbreaking. And often times groundbreaking games are good and enjoyable. And, to be honest, there really hasn't been a truly groundbreaking game since, what, Mario 64? There have been games that helped a genre better itself, but not really be truly unique and lay the path for all games after it to follow.
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