Skyrim better step up its game, Witcher 2 is a beast!!!!

Disagree. Witcher 2 had a better story and character driven game. Those are traits of JRPGs, not WRPGs. In a WRPG, I want the choice and freedom to be what I want, go where I want, and do what I want. Witcher 2 forces me to be a witcher. I can't wear plate armour. I can't use shields. And it's a linear corridor rpg disguised to look like there are tons of exploration to be done. It fails in all those aspects.

Witcher 2 is a great game. But not entirely what i usually look for in WRPGs. I want the story to revolve around me, not some pre-determined protagonist.

I liked Oblivion when it came out. I LOVED it when mods made it the perfect game.

I think ultimately the two are considerably different type of RGP experiences. SKyrim's open world is not for everyone, but for the rest, it's its main draw.

Thankfully Bethesda is including a toolset day one for PC gamers, so even if the content out fo the gate is lacking, mods will make the game pretty much perfect in no time.

Yeah, I'm sure Bethesda's shaking in their boots with that 88% metascore & 400k sales.

Disagree. Witcher 2 had a better story and character driven game. Those are traits of JRPGs, not WRPGs.

jhcho2

from what I've seen of Skyrim and what I've played of the Witcher 2 ... Skyrim will be better hands down.

Oblivion was amazing at the time. Now of course, its garbage, its been like 5 years, and they have new tech and are also trying to take the game in a more morrowind direction. Its looking amazing. And any Elder Scrolls fan can see they're REALLY trying to make this an amazing Action RPG.

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Disagree. Witcher 2 had a better story and character driven game. Those are traits of JRPGs, not WRPGs.

funsohng

At least Bioware didn't hand me a rogue-like character and said I had to accept it as my main character. Character driven games are fine as long as it doesn't come at the expense of character customization.

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Disagree. Witcher 2 had a better story and character driven game. Those are traits of JRPGs, not WRPGs.

funsohng

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Disagree. Witcher 2 had a better story and character driven game. Those are traits of JRPGs, not WRPGs.

jhcho2

At least Bioware didn't hand me a rogue-like character and said I had to accept it as my main character. Character driven games are fine as long as it doesn't come at the expense of character customization.

Disagree. Witcher 2 had a better story and character driven game. Those are traits of JRPGs, not WRPGs. In a WRPG, I want the choice and freedom to be what I want, go where I want, and do what I want. Witcher 2 forces me to be a witcher. I can't wear plate armour. I can't use shields. And it's a linear corridor rpg disguised to look like there are tons of exploration to be done. It fails in all those aspects.

Witcher 2 is a great game. But not entirely what i usually look for in WRPGs. I want the story to revolve around me, not some pre-determined protagonist.

jhcho2

This I loved the game but it was a very linear corridor rpg and you cant really customize your character, their not the same games at all

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[QUOTE="funsohng"] Wut. Have you played any bioware games. Obsidian games? Something other than Bethesda RPGs?funsohng

At least Bioware didn't hand me a rogue-like character and said I had to accept it as my main character. Character driven games are fine as long as it doesn't come at the expense of character customization.

It's not about whether he's likeable or unlikeable. I don't like fighting with a 2 handed sword in chainmail.

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Disagree. Witcher 2 had a better story and character driven game. Those are traits of JRPGs, not WRPGs.

AugustusGraham

Im playing The Witcher 2right now and its a great game but I don't think it will beat skyrim. I like a vast open world and endless content more.

Yeah, I'm sure Bethesda's shaking in their boots with that 88% metascore & 400k sales.

SkyWard20

88% because of a few unrealistically low scores. Morrowind is 89% and has a following to this day. 400k sales in less than a month on PC alone (though I would wonder how you got that number because, it was also available as download and was on preorder on Steam for months). The Witcher 1 is probably around 2 million, again on PC alone.

Anyway. They are very different games. The Witcher has a fixed protagonist and that allows it unequalled characterization. The Witcher's writers are absolutely amazing. Elder Scrolls has the sandbox and free-roaming elements which I admit I also like, but in the end I'd give a slight preference to the Witcher.

It's not about whether he's likeable or unlikeable. I don't like fighting with a 2 handed sword in chainmail.

jhcho2

The Witcher 2 is far more character-driven than Mass Effect... Shepard is player-generated, The Witchor is not.SkyWard20

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[QUOTE="funsohng"] Wut. Have you played any bioware games. Obsidian games? Something other than Bethesda RPGs?funsohng

At least Bioware didn't hand me a rogue-like character and said I had to accept it as my main character. Character driven games are fine as long as it doesn't come at the expense of character customization.

I had a bit of an issue with his face, but I got used to it. Other than that (if you like how he looks in clips) I don't think there are any problems with him.

An action-adventure has to step up its game to compete with a RPG? Seems weird.foxhound_fox

At least Bioware didn't hand me a rogue-like character and said I had to accept it as my main character. Character driven games are fine as long as it doesn't come at the expense of character customization.

jhcho2

This I loved the game but it was a very linear corridor rpg and you cant really customize your character, their not the same games at all

NanoMan88

The Witcher 2 is far more character-driven than Mass Effect... Shepard is player-generated, The Witchor is not.SkyWard20

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Yeah, I'm sure Bethesda's shaking in their boots with that 88% metascore & 400k sales.

KiZZo1

88% because of a few unrealistically low scores. Morrowind is 89% and has a following to this day. 400k sales in less than a month on PC alone (though I would wonder how you got that number because, it was also available as download and was on preorder on Steam for months). The Witcher 1 is probably around 2 million, again on PC alone.

Anyway. They are very different games. The Witcher has a fixed protagonist and that allows it unequalled characterization. The Witcher's writers are absolutely amazing. Elder Scrolls has the sandbox and free-roaming elements which I admit I also like, but in the end I'd give a slight preference to the Witcher.

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Yeah, I'm sure Bethesda's shaking in their boots with that 88% metascore & 400k sales.

DragonfireXZ95

88% because of a few unrealistically low scores. Morrowind is 89% and has a following to this day. 400k sales in less than a month on PC alone (though I would wonder how you got that number because, it was also available as download and was on preorder on Steam for months). The Witcher 1 is probably around 2 million, again on PC alone.

Anyway. They are very different games. The Witcher has a fixed protagonist and that allows it unequalled characterization. The Witcher's writers are absolutely amazing. Elder Scrolls has the sandbox and free-roaming elements which I admit I also like, but in the end I'd give a slight preference to the Witcher.

An action-adventure has to step up its game to compete with a RPG? Seems weird.foxhound_fox

They're both in the same genere bro.

*sigh* the nitpicking and equivicating on this forum is off the charts. So now Witcher 2 isn't an RPG compared to skrim?

The Witcher 2 is phenomenal and I'm sure Skyrim will be fantastic, my hype for the game has gone through the roof since E3. I'm happy I'll enjoy both on them on PC 8)

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]An action-adventure has to step up its game to compete with a RPG? Seems weird.Pray_to_me

So now Witcher 2 isn't an RPG compared to skrim?

I'm pretty sure he feels it's the other way around.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]An action-adventure has to step up its game to compete with a RPG? Seems weird.Thefatness16

So now Witcher 2 isn't an RPG compared to skrim?

I'm pretty sure he feels it's the other way around.

Skyrim is going to crush the Witcher 2...

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Disagree. Witcher 2 had a better story and character driven game. Those are traits of JRPGs, not WRPGs. In a WRPG, I want the choice and freedom to be what I want, go where I want, and do what I want. Witcher 2 forces me to be a witcher. I can't wear plate armour. I can't use shields. And it's a linear corridor rpg disguised to look like there are tons of exploration to be done. It fails in all those aspects.

Witcher 2 is a great game. But not entirely what i usually look for in WRPGs. I want the story to revolve around me, not some pre-determined protagonist.

Ginosaji

You lose a lot of the freedom of exploration, as you can't run aimlessly around a mostly empty game world like you could do in Oblivion. And there's not much in the way of character customisation, true. But the story actually "revolves around you" and the choices you make far more in The Witcher 2 than it does in Oblivion. Oblivions storyline and side quests are all completely linear, as far as I remember, with your only "choice" being whether you complete a quest or ignore it.

Agreed. Oblivion had more choice in how your character played, but you don't really have any choices that influence the game. It's kind of funny, because you aren't a driving force in the game at all. You are just running errands for characters that actually matter. Then you get to the final boss, fight waves of the same enemies you've fought for the nearly the entire game then watch a cutscene for the final boss.

This isn't to say I hated oblivion, just that I often felt very removed from the game world.

I don't think they're really that comparable.

Oblivion had a lot of good ideas but the story was unobtrusive in a bad way and the vast world came at the cost of generic quests and dungeons. TW2 is way more tight and much more cinematic and as such I like it much better.

Skyrim is going to be awesome but I'm not really confident in Bethesda's ability to create an interesting plot.