Smart Phones vs The Switch

Why would the average person carry two?

Smart Phones can lets see...

Browse the web

Make phone calls/text

Facebook

App store for games (cheap and free games) and content

Play music

Watch movies

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The Switch can...

Play games with better controls

High quality titles

Play music

Watch movies

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If the average person plays phone games to waste time why would they want a device that's not only quite big but would be SOMETHING else to also have to carry when their phones can already do everything.

Ever since Smartphones took off, handheld sales have been declining. The 3DS has not reached HALF of what the original DS (released pre-smartphone craze) sold in the same time frame.

How many times have you seen teens-adults playing a 3DS or Vita out in public, be honest here guys.

A phone is more socially acceptable, and this is why smart phones will suffice for most people.

Imagine taking out a Switch during a business meeting....

Mobile games are so awesome,

I quit playing PC and consoles.

I mean why on earth would I have two systems ?

also lock

or not lol no sticky anymore

You don't have to carry those system, they are placed gently in your media room at your home. You are a hardcore gamer so of course you wouldn't mind carrying another device for gaming. What about the casuals who love Clash of Clan, Angry Birds, and Candy Crush? Think they care?

Secondly, The Switch thread isn't stickied anymore.

The Switch isn't competing with smartphones. It's competing with tablets if anything.

Correct, but both markets kind of intertwine.

The Switch has to get the Android/IOS crowd to bite and that market is as competitive if not more competitive than the home console market.

For phones. Tablets are experiencing a slump, and the category could do with a new product to breathe some life into it.

My mistake. I thought there was a sticky but it's gone :p

Well if I want to game away from home I'll take my Vita or 3DS in a handy carrying case or something.

I have games on my phone, but those aren't fun after 5 minutes, so I have no intention of playing those, ever.

If I'm bored and only have my phone with me. I'll browse the web or text some people or something. "Gaming" and "smartphone" don't click for me and never will.

That's why, when I see Switch, I don't see a smartphone, I don't see a tablet. I see a modular console.

That's the point right there who needs this bulky PoS when you already have a smartphone? You gonna bring this to a bar where everyone can steal it or spill drinks on it? The only place to use this thing is when you're taking a shit.

I think you're trying too hard to shit on the Switch, it's clearly not in the same market as smartphones. None of its additional capabilities have been confirmed so you can't say that it can only do x, y, and z. Also, who cares if people think you're not socially acceptable if you carry a gaming handheld? I play my 3DS on the plane and other places all the time.

Who plays crappy mobile games outside of non-gamers?

If you wanna have a good time outside, you'll carry a dedicated gaming device imo.

Not even that, the Switch is one of its own kind.

Devices like The Switch already exist though.

Tablets/Smartphones broke grounds because there wasn't really much like them before and they became central way humans communicated (calling, facebook, texting). The Switch is more of a dedicated gaming tablet. Gaming portable markets have been decline ever since Tablets and Smartphones took off.

If everyone wants to steal it, it means the switch is really popular

8-)

Ahh, yes. The Switch hate threads begin now.

This. Always try to carry my 3DS with me. And when I can't, I have a couple classic ports on my phone.

I don't care but a lot of people do.

Why do you think people get Iphones and Macs, to fit in and because its acceptable.

Carrying a portable gaming device as an adult is shunned, I'm not saying I agree with this but that's how it works generally.

Imagine going on a date, or to bar or BBQ as an 18+ guy and whipping out a 3DS...

Uhh...bruv....the same non gamers who drove the Wii to a 100 Million + success.

That's who.

And who fled afterwards to phones, leading to the colossal bomb that was the Wii U.

I wonder why Nintendo aren't courting them, yes.

@brah4ever: Dude, I'm 25 and still play it, saying it's shunned is your opinion and how you personally think it generally works but a gamer could care less as long as there are good games to be played on it and he/she enjoys it.

That's a really dumb example, no shit people aren't usually going to play a 3DS at a bar or BBQ because it's generally noisy. Also, I have local, quieter bars in my area that have gaming consoles for local play so there being a Nintendo Switch in one of those in the future is a definite possibility. I'm mainly talking about down periods at work, on a plane, a road trip, vacation spot, and any places that make logical sense.

Lastly, I don't have an Iphone or a Mac as that doesn't matter whether or not I "fit in." I don't need a piece of mainstream tech for that.

Because it's dedicated to gaming The Switch. I hate using my smartphone to play a game, heats up too quickly and controls often suck. I'd rather save usage for the device for phone and internet stuff, no games.

I don't represent the market though, and the Switch will definitely be competing with the mobile games market, however I think consumers who want a more solid portable experience will look at alternatives to mobile gaming, such as the Switch.

... You should be comparing the Switch to a 7' tablet... not a smartphone.

*Smart phone crowed have no brand loyalty. Look at the maker of Candy Crush "King". He has put out several more apps since Candy Crush and none of netted anywhere even remotely close to what his first app did. Apps/games on smart phones becoming "best sellers" or popular is based on random luck kind of like what happened with AGAR.IO or heavy advertising like MobileStrike. Player counts for both drop like a rock when the next "fad" app game hits.

*Apps and shitty free to play/freemium games are LOADED with information mining netcode, advertisements, and microtransactions that 90% of the time you HAVE to buy in order to have fun.

*Because smart phone market places are saturated, Any meaningful content is pushed to the bottom because every time a new "popular fad app" becomes a success, about a thousand clones of the game pop up.

*People who play apps do not play them for a story or even good, quality multiplayer. They play them to pass time.



Also just because the 3ds hasn't sold like the old DS doesn't mean it isn't successful. According to VGChartz it is sitting at 60 million units sold. That is impressive for a phone/tablet dominated market and shows that Nintendo still has it on lock. Hell even the PSVita has nearly 15million units sold and it flopped.


Please note: I despise smart phones with a burning passion and will most likely be the only person on the planet who will not get one so I may be a bit biased, but my points still stand.

The 3DS has existed and it's sales have bombed compared to the original DS.

I won't be using the NS as a portable. It will remain connected to my TV for most of its life.

@brah4ever said:

@bowserjr123 said:

I think you're trying too hard to shit on the Switch, it's clearly not in the same market as smartphones. None of its additional capabilities have been confirmed so you can't say that it can only do x, y, and z. Also, who cares if people think you're not socially acceptable if you carry a gaming handheld? I play my 3DS on the plane and other places all the time.

I don't care but a lot of people do.

Why do you think people get Iphones and Macs, to fit in and because its acceptable.

Carrying a portable gaming device as an adult is shunned, I'm not saying I agree with this but that's how it works generally.

Imagine going on a date, or to bar or BBQ as an 18+ guy and whipping out a 3DS...

to be fair, thats an image problem created by Nintendo's kiddy device designs, even the PSP/Vita are somewhat.... dated looking.

This looks like a tablet with controls added, in a rather stylish way. now it just looks like a slightly different tablet.

But then, caring about "image" in most settings when your randomly out and about is pretty sad.... hardly the biggest of image problems is it? are they stuck in teen mode? or just pretend they the most professional/cool/hip person in the world that has to be on top form 100% of the day not to upset some random strangers delicate sense of style?

C'mon, Wii had great games.

Mobile games are pretty stupid and addicting, games like Clash of Clans ....ugh

@brah4ever: like I said, those devices and the Switch are competitors of the mobile market, I'm simply saying the mobile phones do not make portable consoles, such as the ones you mentioned and the upcoming Switch, obsolete. Yes they won over a huge chunk of the market, but I believe there are still people who will want a more specialized portable experience.

Yep exactly the same market for games. I don't know what this guys phone obsession is all about. My wife plays games on her tablet all the time, never on her phone. It would never occur to her in a million years to switch to the Switch. I absolutely don't know who this thing is aimed at.

@MBirdy88: It just goes to show how insecure lots of people are. I'd rather use something I personally enjoy instead of something more mainstream to fit in...I only look at my smartphone for a couple minutes at a time before it becomes boring to me. My 3DS keeps me entertained for hours at a time.

I have a feeling Switch is gonna fail as both home console and handheld.

The nvidia shield has fantastic capabilities, a solid game device in its own right, this is a similar more refined concept, with a docking station. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now, depends on the features available on the switch, if it has the majority of tablet functionality, with the capabilities of a Nintendo gaming system... then that is great, that is something to aim for.

Or are we going to say that Console and PC are the only markets forever? despite the PS4/XBOX ONE being watered down branded PCs (as you can argue the Switch is just a branded tablet.) and are the most stagnant gaming devices available now... least flexible.

Switch, abolishes the handheld market, with far superior specs than what a 3DS successor would of had, and a docking station to give it that boost on the home television. Sure, it probably won't match a PS4/Xbox One. but who the hell cares? who are we kidding with "graphics are the most important aspect"? why is everyone such a hypcrit around here? like the power of the consoles ends up making better games.. most of the damn console games are getting more wattered down but shiner, "huray".

I love sitting at my desk, I dont mind sitting in front of the TV, but the one thing I loved about the Wii U was being able to play it in my own little world while the girlfriend hogged the tv. (sadly wireless distance was poor.. major let down.) . now? I can play, then dock it and play Mario Kart with her, or share the small screen in bed or when on a train/bus.

To me, this device replaces the best handheld on the market, with a multipurpose tablet (which will no doubt have amazing potential for homebrew applications and features) and will replace my need for a "normal" tablet, while also functioning as a perfectly good nintendo console.

3 devices in one.

Guess what, a lot of people are insecure and care about what people think of them.

You have people who see Nintendo as "kiddy" and won't touch their consoles/games due to public perception.

That's why certain products sell well even if they are inferior.

It's going to struggle, who is it aimed at?

Console market is covered and mobile market it such saturated with Android/Apple Store games.

Home console is debatable.

But why would it fail as a handheld? (possibly price I suppose?) this is exactly the direction the next Nintendo handheld should of taken... there is no other acceptable path. (other than going 3rd party)

Fail as in sales, all statistics reveal that the dedicated portable gaming market is on the decline.

Back then people didn't have a device that can do everything in their pocket, Smart Phones/Tablets.

Times are different and I'm sure this as of major concern to Nintendo.

Plenty of people love Nintendo games, like Pokemon Go but the thing is they don't want to buy a Nintendo product to play them.

@brah4ever: I think you need to watch the trailer again, the Switch is clearly aimed at adults. Also, that's their own problem if they decide not to play said games and systems. The 3DS has games aimed for all demographics so whoever thinks it's solely kiddy is an idiot.

You're kind of missing my point. My wife plays crossy roads and plants v zombies and even though she might see an advert for this on TV it would go completely over her head when she sees Mario hopping about and associates it with 'more Nintendo stuff' that never captured her even though she is exactly their target consumer.

So, the kind of people who will buy into this already know all about Nintendo and what they have to offer. They are basically selling to their own increasingly diminishing user base yet again. I don't see that as an intelligent strategy, an arrogant one definitely, but not clever. I can see the advantages for a Nintendo fan who uses tablets or handhelds but console users who want the best experience at home will once again tell Nintendo to f*** right off they are isolating themselves yet again and it makes no sense to me.

A good console with Nintendo games and third party would clean up but they absolutely refuse to do it. They almost wear their stupidity as a badge of honour.

The trailer was aimed adults in an over the top way.

People will definitely whip out a game of NBA 2K on the court after a game of basketball on a tiny screen on tiny controllers....riiiiiight.

No guy is whipping this thing out on a date (if you want to smash), a party, a bar, a meeting, anywhere really.

At home with the bros, yeah they"ll whip it out.

@brah4ever: You phrased that wrong, the way it was used in the basketball example was over the top, not the way it was aimed at adults. Also, the system has a sleek design, has traditional control options, showed games like Elder Scrolls, was used at home (in the evening so after a typical work day), on a plane, and in a car which is really good marketing. I admit that the basketball example is silly, but my points state that it is clearly aimed at the adult demographic.

Again, that statistic is aimed at "3ds/vita" because they had p*ss poor multi function support... this is the evolution of dedicate/tablets.

By the sound of it, reading the information on the Nvidia website, alot of the U.I/Features and back end are handled by Nvidia, not Nintendo... which makes sense because this is clearly what NVIDIA SHIELD 2 was meant to be just bought out by Nintendo. So in theory this device will already be capable of anything a normal 7' tablet is capable of, then having the ability to be docked.

Most people have cell phones now they still have PCs, Laptops, Tablets (despite a tablet just being a bigger limited phone...) and even Nintendo handhelds funnily enough.

Why is this concept so "out there" to people? has this graphics race gone to people's heads? to get anywhere close to the same experience from sony you have to buy a friggin PSP Vita.. you cant have this on XBONE only via other PC devices... and then both are streamed video for gods sake.

The ONLY downside to this technology is that it physically cannot match graphics of bigger systems. But if it pulls off 1080p 60FPS on its good games while docked, and 720p 60FPS while mobile ,this device could be a fantastic new direction for gaming... even great value.

Yeah the Switch is somewhat of a tough sell to the mobile crowd. Price and content will surely be huge factors. Keep it under $300 and put Pokemon on it and there's a good chance this thing becomes very popular.

The other obvious factor will be marketing. Nintendo did **** all to demonstrate the features of the Wii U. In fact many people, gamers included, thought it was a peripheral for the Wii. I don't remember seeing a single Wii U commercial either while the "Wii would like to play" ads were all over the toob. This time it's clearly a new device but Nintendo still needs to show what the advantage of having a Switch is over a typical tablet/smart phone.

Really everything is set up for Nintendo to hit this one out of the park with a potentially great value proposition, proper advertising and what we can safely assume is going to be a great line up of exclusives.

They cannot compete in the console market with handheld/smartphone graphics and no big 3rd party games.

They cannot compete in the mobile market with handhelds on the decline due to smartphones and tablets.

The tone is definitely more adult than the the tone they pushed with the Wii/Wii U, only issue is Nintendo has targeted this audience in over a decade.

Adults on the portable side have tablets/smartphones using either Android or IOS and on the Home side they have Xbox, Playstation and PC.

Both Sony/MS have been appealing to adults way more than Nintendo has in the last decade.

Nintendo still has an image problem, it might not be as prominent but it still does exist.

@brah4ever: Smart phones are sufficient for most people because most people aren't gamers. I only play mobile games when on the toilet or have 5-10 mins to kill, they aren't good enough for more than that.

Why would regular gamers not be interested in this?

Why is it only nintendo gamers?

What can a PS4 do that this can't other than better graphics?

Yeah, most people aren't hardcore gamers but guess what they make up the majority of the market.

People buy Xbox and Playstation just to play yearly rehashed sports titles and CoD, that is the mass market that drives high sales not people who care how unique or good a game is.

@brah4ever: The tone is way better than Wii/Wii U, those were clearly meant to be more casual. I'm glad they're returning to the same audience as the GameCube days, Nintendo was on their A-game back then. Smartphones have very shallow games (ie. Pokemon Go) and tablets don't get Nintendo exclusives and AAA third party games so if Switch gets those, it's a winner in my book. Also, Switch has real buttons instead of just relying on touch screens.

I do definitely agree that Nintendo has had a rough decade (I don't have a Wii U and the Wii was disappointing to me), but they're definitely taking a smarter approach this time. All I need is announced third party games and solid Nintendo games and I'm sold.

Regular gamers may not be interested in this because its Nintendo and they haven't had the kind of games they play in like forever? Secondly, maybe they already have a phone? Vita was a high powered portable and it flopped, so yeah...

This is what regular gamers want and what Nintendo hasn't given them in years.

GTA

CoD

2K

FIFA

Madden

Regular gamers were tired of their PS360s 10 year long span and still waited a year to see what Sony/MS had in store.

Wii U - 13 million sales in a time where gaming is much more mainstream. Regular gamers didn't care.

I'm not talking about regular gamers I'm talking about casual gamers like my wife who plays really shit games quite happily on her tablet and for whom this device appears to be designed. She doesn't play on PC or PS4 and when I get a game that looks just amazing I might show her and she'll say 'ooh that's pretty' but she'll never play it. She's a tablet gamer, for her big screen gaming is her laptop.

The appeal of any Nintendo device in recent years always relies on younger gamers and hardcore Nintendo fans. Nobody I know who plays games on tablets fit into either category so it seems to me they are selling to their own audience yet again because their hardware is so crap no hardcore gamer from other platforms will take them seriously.

@brah4ever: That's the worst smartphone accessory I've ever seen.

Wii U had a massive branding/marketing problem. was incredibly dated even at release, and overpriced due to a very clunky peripheral that didn't make a lot of sense. The 3DS still did very well, despite being very childish old-style nintendo branding. That knock on effect, and the bad reputation of the Wii (3rd party) caused the issue.

We are talking about a VERY different direction here, modern styled well known handheld format (tablet , not childish looking wii u pad) with modular controllers. Nvidia Architecture (good for developers, and already well documented, and according to the site, using up to date architecture so in theory pascal). A clear identity.

So that is the whole brand image problem abolished (ofcourse this all relies on continuous momentum in the software department post-release).

I imagine 3rd parties will at least give it a look this time.

oh sure, PS4's Fifa or Cod might look better, but can you up and take them anywhere? how about uncharted? nah.

This will do very well in japan, and has great potential, oh sure its a risk. but what would be the point in them making a console on par with PS4 pro or Xbone wahtever its called? already saturated bore fests as it is.

This could go either way, but to say it has no identity or clear direction, or clear audience.. just flat out baffles me. the ONLY thing it can't do is superior graphics, it is capable of offering so much more in other areas over the competition. It's what the Wii U should of been... but never was. Nintendo got a face lift, and its a first good impression.

3DS next gen and Wii U next gen combined into one package, probably the most value in a gaming console that will ever be available. (again, assuming they get the software/ecosystem right)

Skyrim Remastered - on a Nintendo handheld? sorry , but that does scream potential. I hope the damn analog sticks are good for once.. unlike the VITA.