SMG was game of the year! It got 9.5 out of 10!

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#1 sonicthemegaman
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And MGS4 and GTA4 got perfect 10s here. The defensive arguement that the Wii is good mostly due to one game totally ignores the logical fallacy that people have been pointingout here from time to time. No matter what, by GS scores, PS3/360 have better games than the Wii simply because they have a perfect 10 game under their belt. And that award? Try looking at what other sites said was game of the year. They weren't all the same. Hiding behide that score is just as faulty as taking cover underneath Mass Effect or Bioshock. Give the "SMG WAZ GAMY OF TEH YERA!" stuff a rest.

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#2 OreoMilkshake
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I stopped reading at "It got a 9.0"
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#3 EwwFanboys
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I stopped reading at "It got a 9.0"OreoMilkshake
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#4 2-10-08
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It got a 9.5/10

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#5 error_202
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huh? This threads pretty random and im having a hard time understanding what your trying to say. so il leave it at

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#6 KingBowser91
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I stopped reading at "It got a 9.0"OreoMilkshake
yeah serieusly.
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#7 sonicthemegaman
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I stopped reading at "It got a 9.0"OreoMilkshake
Yeah that should of been 9.5. My bad.
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#8 Brawl578
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It got a 9.5.

Also, take note that Gamespot isn't the only one who gave SMG GOTY. Pretty much every gaming website and magazine did.

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#9 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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How much did the last Sonic game score? :P
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#10 Brawl578
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I thought you didn't care about reviews?

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#11 Brawl578
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How much did the last Sonic game score? :PIronBass

Too low for a certain Sonic fanboy, that's for sure.

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#12 sonicthemegaman
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How much did the last Sonic game score? :PIronBass
Irrelevent. My point is that people hype up that game and use it against the other system when they have perfect 10 games.
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How much did the last Sonic game score? :PIronBass

Actually, Sonic Unleashed Wii got A.:P

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#14 sonicthemegaman
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I thought you didn't care about reviews?

Brawl578
I don't which why I get sick of hearing about them.
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#15 OreoMilkshake
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[QUOTE="IronBass"]How much did the last Sonic game score? :Psonicthemegaman
Irrelevent. My point is that people hype up that game and use it against the other system when they have perfect 10 games.

Wow 2 whole games. Wii has no good games am confirmed.
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How much did the last Sonic game score? :PIronBass
4.5 :P even if you double the score it wont match the score of SMG :lol:
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#17 Mogotoo
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Wouldn't Ocarina of Time count for the Wii? Also, GTA 4 is multiplat, both PS3 and 360.

Besides, just because the PS3 and 360 have AAAA games doesn't automatically mean they're better. If a console had one AAAA game but no other decent games, does that make it better than a console with all games scoring 7.5?

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#18 Brawl578
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[QUOTE="Brawl578"]

I thought you didn't care about reviews?

sonicthemegaman

I don't which why I get sick of hearing about them.

So why bring the reviews for MGS4 and GTA4 then?

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#19 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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[QUOTE="IronBass"]How much did the last Sonic game score? :Psonicthemegaman
Irrelevent. My point is that people hype up that game and use it against the other system when they have perfect 10 games.

Nothing is irrelevant in SW. :o Especially when a certain game series score poorly once and once again :shock:
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#20 Brawl578
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Yet which game had a higher average than MGS4? Oh, right. SMG.

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huh? This threads pretty random and im having a hard time understanding what your trying to say. so il leave it at

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You could've done without the long sentence before the picture, but still, I never get tired of that pear.

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#22 Bigboi500
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And MGS4 and GTA4 got perfect 10s here. The defensive arguement that the Wii is good mostly due to one game totally ignores the logical fallacy that people have been pointingout here from time to time. No matter what, by GS scores, PS3/360 have better games than the Wii simply because they have a perfect 10 game under their belt. And that award? Try looking at what other sites said was game of the year. They weren't all the same. Hiding behide that score is just as faulty as taking cover underneath Mass Effect or Bioshock. Give the "SMG WAZ GAMY OF TEH YERA!" stuff a rest.

sonicthemegaman

This is '09 you know. Regardless of score on any site, SMG is a great game. Some think, including me, that it's the best this gen has to offer so far. Also if you're trying to say that GS determines what's best and that SMG is the only good Wii game then I'd say you are dead wrong.

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[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="IronBass"]How much did the last Sonic game score? :POreoMilkshake
Irrelevent. My point is that people hype up that game and use it against the other system when they have perfect 10 games.

Wow 2 whole games. Wii has no good games am confirmed.

Not really. It's just that one arguement that keeps popping up I find misinformed. There are many more games to use to support the Wii in an arguement like many lists have shown but, one way or another, SMG becomes a big issue. You just can't say anything bad about it. It's game of year for 07. Yeah, I get it but, there are other games. That's like cows constantly combating "PS3 has no games" with MGS4. That's one friggin' game for christ sake.
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#24 jg4xchamp
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1- It got a 9.5, won GOTY on gamespot. This is gamespot.com. This is the system wars forum on gamespot.com. But since you felt like naming other people IGN, GameTrailers also gave SMG GOTY, and a few others if im not mistaken. THE AIAS went with COD 4, GDC went with Portal, and mostly everyone else went Bioshock in 07(time magazine went with Halo 3).

2- No system is good because of one game. The Wii is good enough because of games like Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Boom Blox, No More Heroes, De Blob, House of the Dead: Overkill, Super Paper Mario, etc.

3- Super Mario Galaxy is arguably one of the best platformers period, atleast from a 3-D platformerer standpoint, 2-D wise and it takes some steps back.

4- A great game is a great game. This just in Super Mario Galaxy is a great game.

5- What was the purpose of this thread?

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#25 Communistsheep
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Wouldn't Ocarina of Time count for the Wii? Also, GTA 4 is multiplat, both PS3 and 360.

Besides, just because the PS3 and 360 have AAAA games doesn't automatically mean they're better. If a console had one AAAA game but no other decent games, does that make it better than a console with all games scoring 7.5?

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True, but they have genneraly good games.
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And MGS4 and GTA4 got perfect 10s here. The defensive arguement that the Wii is good mostly due to one game totally ignores the logical fallacy that people have been pointingout here from time to time. No matter what, by GS scores, PS3/360 have better games than the Wii simply because they have a perfect 10 game under their belt. And that award? Try looking at what other sites said was game of the year. They weren't all the same. Hiding behide that score is just as faulty as taking cover underneath Mass Effect or Bioshock. Give the "SMG WAZ GAMY OF TEH YERA!" stuff a rest.

sonicthemegaman

lmao

you must really enjoy getting flammed.

Its almost as surprising as your unhealthy obsession in undermining Super Mario Galaxy.

You've been quietly trying to take a piss on Galaxy at every chance only to quickly back off when you get some heavy heat, this thread must be an act of desperation or something.

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#27 OreoMilkshake
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[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] Irrelevent. My point is that people hype up that game and use it against the other system when they have perfect 10 games.sonicthemegaman
Wow 2 whole games. Wii has no good games am confirmed.

Not really. It's just that one arguement that keeps popping up I find misinformed. There are many more games to use to support the Wii in an arguement like many lists have shown but, one way or another, SMG becomes a big issue. You just can't say anything bad about it. It's game of year for 07. Yeah, I get it but, there are other games. That's like cows constantly combating "PS3 has no games" with MGS4. That's one friggin' game for christ sake.

I don't know what kind of threads you look at but when Super Mario Galaxy is used for damage control there's always a bunch of other games mentioned.
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#28 sonicthemegaman
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[QUOTE="Brawl578"]

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="Brawl578"]

I thought you didn't care about reviews?

I don't which why I get sick of hearing about them.

So why bring the reviews for MGS4 and GTA4 then?

Because it introduces the same issue. Say anything bad about those games and people wave the score around. It could be 100/10 and I still wouldn't care.
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And MGS4 and GTA4 got perfect 10s here. The defensive arguement that the Wii is good mostly due to one game totally ignores the logical fallacy that people have been pointingout here from time to time. No matter what, by GS scores, PS3/360 have better games than the Wii simply because they have a perfect 10 game under their belt. sonicthemegaman

So SMG is bad because it didn't get a perfect 10 on GS?

And that award? Try looking at what other sites said was game of the year. They weren't all the same. Hiding behide that score is just as faulty as taking cover underneath Mass Effect or Bioshock. Give the "SMG WAZ GAMY OF TEH YERA!" stuff a rest.

sonicthemegaman

Woah, woah, woah there buddy. Better keep it to GS before you open up a can of worms.

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#30 sonicthemegaman
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[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]

And MGS4 and GTA4 got perfect 10s here. The defensive arguement that the Wii is good mostly due to one game totally ignores the logical fallacy that people have been pointingout here from time to time. No matter what, by GS scores, PS3/360 have better games than the Wii simply because they have a perfect 10 game under their belt. And that award? Try looking at what other sites said was game of the year. They weren't all the same. Hiding behide that score is just as faulty as taking cover underneath Mass Effect or Bioshock. Give the "SMG WAZ GAMY OF TEH YERA!" stuff a rest.

lmao

you must really enjoy getting flammed.

Its almost as surprising as your unhealthy obsession in undermining Super Mario Galaxy.

You've been quietly trying to take a piss on Galaxy at every chance only to quickly back off when you get some heavy heat, this thread must be an act of desperation or something.

You love not presenting logical arguements don't you?
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#31 sonicthemegaman
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[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]Wow 2 whole games. Wii has no good games am confirmed.OreoMilkshake
Not really. It's just that one arguement that keeps popping up I find misinformed. There are many more games to use to support the Wii in an arguement like many lists have shown but, one way or another, SMG becomes a big issue. You just can't say anything bad about it. It's game of year for 07. Yeah, I get it but, there are other games. That's like cows constantly combating "PS3 has no games" with MGS4. That's one friggin' game for christ sake.

I don't know what kind of threads you look at but when Super Mario Galaxy is used for damage control there's always a bunch of other games mentioned.

That's my point. It's the "damage control" arguement that could easily be handle by not overrating one game and simply mentioning all the other Wii games.
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one way or another, SMG becomes a big issue. You just can't say anything bad about it. It's game of year for 07. Yeah, I get it but, there are other games. sonicthemegaman
This might feel like a knife twisting on your gut but...unlike GTAIV, Galaxy's rating as one of the best games of all time is widely accepted. So no, its not just GOTY 07, it will age like wine, and like wine, it will still be appretiated long after we're buried ;)
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#33 Brawl578
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[QUOTE="Brawl578"]

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] I don't which why I get sick of hearing about them.sonicthemegaman

So why bring the reviews for MGS4 and GTA4 then?

Because it introduces the same issue. Say anything bad about those games and people wave the score around. It could be 100/10 and I still wouldn't care.

People don't wave the scores around, they wave the positives of the game around. For Example:

SMG hater: The camera sucked.

SMG lover: But the gameplay and graphics were awesome.

Besides, people respond to people complaining about how something is bad about a game, and they always come up with a way to seem like the flaw wasn't so major.

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#34 Thunderdrone
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You love not presenting logical arguements don't you?sonicthemegaman

What do you want me to say? What kind of logical argument where you expecting to be formed after your OP?

I'm well aware of you're issues with Super Mario Galaxy and how its portraied as an industry darling, i cant possibly argue against your personal frustrations.

My advise? Get over it, its a fantastic/inspiring game and if you disagree fine, but dont act surprised if you're on the emptiest boat on the water regarding opinions.

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[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] Not really. It's just that one arguement that keeps popping up I find misinformed. There are many more games to use to support the Wii in an arguement like many lists have shown but, one way or another, SMG becomes a big issue. You just can't say anything bad about it. It's game of year for 07. Yeah, I get it but, there are other games. That's like cows constantly combating "PS3 has no games" with MGS4. That's one friggin' game for christ sake.sonicthemegaman
I don't know what kind of threads you look at but when Super Mario Galaxy is used for damage control there's always a bunch of other games mentioned.

That's my point. It's the "damage control" arguement that could easily be handle by not overrating one game and simply mentioning all the other Wii games.

Every game is usually presented in an equal fashion.
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[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="IronBass"]How much did the last Sonic game score? :POreoMilkshake
Irrelevent. My point is that people hype up that game and use it against the other system when they have perfect 10 games.

Wow 2 whole games. Wii has no good games am confirmed.

Whats does the acronym "am" mean? I don't get when people say "am confirmed". whats up with that? Can anyone answer me?
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#37 sonicthemegaman
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[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] one way or another, SMG becomes a big issue. You just can't say anything bad about it. It's game of year for 07. Yeah, I get it but, there are other games. Thunderdrone
This might feel like a knife twisting on your gut but...unlike GTAIV, Galaxy's rating as one of the best games of all time is widely accepted. So no, its not just GOTY 07, it will age like wine, and like wine, it will still be appretiated long after we're buried ;)

Here we go. Oh, and FF7 is the best game ever. OoT is the best game ever. SM64 is the best game ever. Yeah, cause you know GTA series is incredibly overhyped along with MGS, COD, GOW, and a bunch of other franchises but those other games are truly gems. Hive mind = factual. /sarcasm.
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#38 shutdown_202
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C'mon sonic, i think you should just leave it now. I respect you and the fact that you dont like SMG but theres no way you can win here.

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#39 sonicthemegaman
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[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]I don't know what kind of threads you look at but when Super Mario Galaxy is used for damage control there's always a bunch of other games mentioned.OreoMilkshake
That's my point. It's the "damage control" arguement that could easily be handle by not overrating one game and simply mentioning all the other Wii games.

Every game is usually presented in an equal fashion.

Not from my experience. I've criticised MP3 and Brawl before and don't get nearly as much hate. Hell, I even commented on the repetition of the Zelda franchise but, nooooo. SMG is where I just can't be allowed to have an opnion on a game that steals concepts from several other platformers like Crash(spin attack), Ratchet(which stole grinding from Sonic and I'm pretty sure ISG didn't invent gravity manipulation but they spammed those globes stages as much as possible), and even Zelda in some respects(Transformations? Guess MM didn't happen). No, I just have to love it like everyone else when I don't even argue that it's bad.
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#40 sonicthemegaman
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C'mon sonic, i think you should just leave it now. I respect you and the fact that you dont like SMG but theres no way you can win here.

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Well sadly, that's the point of the thread. In reality, I bet you are one of the few who can actually respect me for not liking this game as much as others do. I don't even think it's bad really, I just don't like it that much myslef and constant flame wars lead me to believe it's a bit overrated now. You should of seen what happen when I said FF7 had actual problems. They hung me out to dry, it was that bad. Sometimes I feel like I'm not supposed to have opnions.
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#41 AmayaPapaya
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[QUOTE="shutdown_202"]

C'mon sonic, i think you should just leave it now. I respect you and the fact that you dont like SMG but theres no way you can win here.

sonicthemegaman

Well sadly, that's the point of the thread. In reality, I bet you are one of the few who can actually respect me for not liking this game as much as others do. I don't even think it's bad really, I just don't like it that much myslef and constant flame wars lead me to believe it's a bit overrated now. You should of seen what happen when I said FF7 had actual problems. They hung me out to dry, it was that bad. Sometimes I feel like I'm not supposed to have opnions.

You should know, in system wars, your not supposed to have an opinion if it involvs bashing great games!

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Oh noes! Not 9.5 out of 10! It must suck for not being able to get 0.5 points more.
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#43 Thunderdrone
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Not from my experience. I've criticised MP3 and Brawl before and don't get nearly as much hate. Hell, I even commented on the repetition of the Zelda franchise sonicthemegaman

A pattern emerges :lol:

but, nooooo. SMG is where I just can't be allowed to have an opnion on a game that steals concepts from several other platformers like Crash(spin attack), Ratchet(which stole grinding from Sonic and I'm pretty sure ISG didn't invent gravity manipulation but they spammed those globes stages as much as possible), and even Zelda in some respects(Transformations? Guess MM didn't happen). sonicthemegaman

Oh my god *facepalm*

I fear the dark, foul stenched place you're pulling this crap from.

No, I just have to love it like everyone else when I don't even argue that it's bad.sonicthemegaman

No-one forces you to like it. And you're even more annoying by trying counter the praise with your constant "SMG overrated" threads/posts in disguise popping up.

Its like constantly arguing against people that think chocolate is tasty. Its a very popular opinion amongst gamers and the media, you're the odd duck here, voice your opinion and move on. Dont try to enlighten or influence people to think otherwise cuz they clearly dont want or need to.

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#44 Shinobishyguy
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the difference between GTA IV and SMG is that SMG doesn't have a huge faction saying that it's over-rated.

Can't comment on MGS4 though.

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#45 BioShockOwnz
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SMG kills both of those games. So much better.

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#46 shutdown_202
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[QUOTE="shutdown_202"]

C'mon sonic, i think you should just leave it now. I respect you and the fact that you dont like SMG but theres no way you can win here.

sonicthemegaman

Well sadly, that's the point of the thread. In reality, I bet you are one of the few who can actually respect me for not liking this game as much as others do. I don't even think it's bad really, I just don't like it that much myslef and constant flame wars lead me to believe it's a bit overrated now. You should of seen what happen when I said FF7 had actual problems. They hung me out to dry, it was that bad. Sometimes I feel like I'm not supposed to have opnions.

lol yeah, SW can be like that sometimes. You have my respect mainly due to how open you are about liking some of the recent sonic games. I have to admit, so have i but i could never proclaim it here due how i would get torn to shreds for having a different opinion. The larger the fanbase, the more rabbid the users are (in relation to your FF7 incident). If you had done that to say Halo....oh boy.

Anywayi personally havent played SMG so i cant really say anything abou the game. I will do when i get a Wii next year, along with Sonic and the black knight *runs off*

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#47 shutdown_202
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SMG kills both of those games. So much better.

BioShockOwnz

I havent seen your posts in a while but isnt (or wasnt) GTA IV your favourite game of all time?

In regards to your sig and upcoming purchases, your going to be owned by time this fall.

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#48 sonicthemegaman
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[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]

A pattern emerges :lol:

but, nooooo. SMG is where I just can't be allowed to have an opnion on a game that steals concepts from several other platformers like Crash(spin attack), Ratchet(which stole grinding from Sonic and I'm pretty sure ISG didn't invent gravity manipulation but they spammed those globes stages as much as possible), and even Zelda in some respects(Transformations? Guess MM didn't happen). sonicthemegaman

Oh my god *facepalm*

I fear the dark, foul stenched place you're pulling this crap from.

No, I just have to love it like everyone else when I don't even argue that it's bad.sonicthemegaman

No-one forces you to like it. And you're even more annoying by trying counter the praise with your constant "SMG overrated" threads/posts in disguise popping up.

Its like constantly arguing against people that think chocolate is tasty. Its a very popular opinion amongst gamers and the media, you're the odd duck here, voice your opinion and move on. Dont try to enlighten or influence people to think otherwise cuz they clearly dont want or need to.

I'm refering to the Wii so of course there's a "pattern". I've criticised GTA, FF, and all the friggin' FPS games as well. I'm talking about popular games here. As I you. In a sense, you kinda are. Well, maybe not you specifically but, when people send out recommendations and praise a game on such high scales, it's almost like saying "Buy this game, you won't regret it." Other forms of media have the same issue. If you honestly think I bash mainly this game, you're terribly wrong. I really just bash the Wii and it really isn't bashing as much as it's expressing disappointment, looking at other's opnions, and just talking about a subject that my last "Wii Hate" thread proved was a big issue. That poll I set up didn't lie. SW hates the Wii just as much as it did last year. If you think I'm trying to change people's opnions, your wrong. I'm just pointng out how years of these flame war battles have officially made the popular opnion blind-sighted. It's funny you mentioned chocolate and totally ignored the people who are allergic to it.
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#49 bobcheeseball
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Well judging by your lack of reasonable points I would hereby like to declare this topic

FAIL.

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#50 sonicthemegaman
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[QUOTE="shutdown_202"]

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="shutdown_202"]

C'mon sonic, i think you should just leave it now. I respect you and the fact that you dont like SMG but theres no way you can win here.

Well sadly, that's the point of the thread. In reality, I bet you are one of the few who can actually respect me for not liking this game as much as others do. I don't even think it's bad really, I just don't like it that much myslef and constant flame wars lead me to believe it's a bit overrated now. You should of seen what happen when I said FF7 had actual problems. They hung me out to dry, it was that bad. Sometimes I feel like I'm not supposed to have opnions.

lol yeah, SW can be like that sometimes. You have my respect mainly due to how open you are about liking some of the recent sonic games. I have to admit, so have i but i could never proclaim it here due how i would get torn to shreds for having a different opinion. The larger the fanbase, the more rabbid the users are (in relation to your FF7 incident). If you had done that to say Halo....oh boy.

Anywayi personally havent played SMG so i cant really say anything abou the game. I will do when i get a Wii next year, along with Sonic and the black knight *runs off*

Unfortunately, I have touch on the Halo suspect....a lot....in real life. I literally got into an actually fight about Halo and the fanboy threatened to set me on fire....literally. I admit, I was misinformed at the time. I even thought Bungie was a Japanese company :D. Keep in mind this incident occured regarding the very first Halo release. It's sad cause I told the dude who honestly forced me to play Halo that I simply didn't like shooters. Goldeneye 64 was my best shooter game experience but, it taught me that I personally didn't like those games. I start expressing my opnions just to find out the guy was crazy. I lost all respect for shooters after that and even thought about keeping everything to myself. Time went on and I decided I wasn't gonna let people mute me. Sorry if I ever get out of hand sometimes but I really do take a serious offense when my opnion isn't respected. It's almost like not having the right to freedom of speech. Anyway, yeah thats basically why I made a thread about SMG cause I feel I should have the right to have opnions on things I feel strongly about hence, why I actually take the time to say good things about the recent Sonic games cause I happen to like them and don't see where all the bad ratings are coming from(especially regarding Sonic Unleashed).