So halo reach is 6gb and killzone 3 is 41gb and halo reach has more content

I was extremely disaponted GG.

killzone 3 lacks

Forge Mode/Map Editor
Custom Game Types
Custom Games
Horde Mode/Terrorist Hunt/ Fire Fight
4 Player Co-Op
Online Co-Op
Lack of focus on vehicular combat
Theater

and please do not say graphics because crysis on pc is only a 6gb game.

So where is this 41gbs going to? im confused

So where is this 41gbs going to? im confused

xMinijackx

Uncompressed audio, uncompressed video and 3D.

Pretty much. I don't even know why those two games get compared. It's ridiculous.

[QUOTE="xMinijackx"]

So where is this 41gbs going to? im confused

LordQuorthon

Uncompressed audio, uncompressed video and 3D.

Not sure about Halo, but Killzone 3 has a lot of languages including audio then it has 3D too. No idea why 3D takes extra space though. They must use some lame tricks to get the 3D effect to work on console's old hardware.

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

[QUOTE="xMinijackx"]

So where is this 41gbs going to? im confused

Chutebox

Uncompressed audio, uncompressed video and 3D.

I was extremely disaponted GG.

killzone 3 lacks

Forge Mode/Map Editor
Custom Game Types
Custom Games
Horde Mode/Terrorist Hunt/ Fire Fight
4 Player Co-Op
Online Co-Op
Lack of focus on vehicular combat
Theater

and please do not say graphics because crysis on pc is only a 6gb game.

So where is this 41gbs going to? im confused

xMinijackx

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

[QUOTE="xMinijackx"]

So where is this 41gbs going to? im confused

Chutebox

Uncompressed audio, uncompressed video and 3D.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN_V_AZDzvM

Is this your video? It has like the same points like you copy and pasted.

Most of the stuff you list has abolutely nothing to do with the amount of GB on disc. KZ2 even had some of those features (custom games, server browser), but for whatever reason they wanted to streamline the multi-player for KZ3. However the one thing that did surprise me about KZ3 is that it's all 720P, even the cutscenes. Now obviously the gameplay itself is going to be native 720P as that's the practical limit for current gen console games, but you would think with 41GB on disc that all the cut scenes would be fully uncompressed and natively displayed 1080P video. Maybe they're stored on disc as such, but they only output at 720P. Of course it all looks great even at 720P, but it is a bit odd.2Chalupas

Aren't the cutscenes all real time?

persona 3 and 4 have more content than those games and its on ps2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN_V_AZDzvM

Is this your video? It has like the same points like you copy and pasted.

The__Havoc

[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]Most of the stuff you list has abolutely nothing to do with the amount of GB on disc. KZ2 even had some of those features (custom games, server browser), but for whatever reason they wanted to streamline the multi-player for KZ3. However the one thing that did surprise me about KZ3 is that it's all 720P, even the cutscenes. Now obviously the gameplay itself is going to be native 720P as that's the practical limit for current gen console games, but you would think with 41GB on disc that all the cut scenes would be fully uncompressed and natively displayed 1080P video. Maybe they're stored on disc as such, but they only output at 720P. Of course it all looks great even at 720P, but it is a bit odd.JangoWuzHere

Aren't the cutscenes all real time?

I don't know. They almost look too good to be real time. I'm thinking alot of them must be pre-rendered.

Of course alot of this stuff might actually be stored on the disc in 1080P resolution anyway, but when it outputs it is downgraded. There's probably also duplication of data. I'm sure I read somewhere that there was duplication of data on disc for the game engine, so that it can "stream" data for more efficient loading rather than require install.

It's not the size that matters it's how you use it.Ace6301

I was extremely disaponted GG.

killzone 3 lacks

Forge Mode/Map Editor
Custom Game Types
Custom Games
Horde Mode/Terrorist Hunt/ Fire Fight
4 Player Co-Op
Online Co-Op
Lack of focus on vehicular combat
Theater

and please do not say graphics because crysis on pc is only a 6gb game.

So where is this 41gbs going to? im confused

xMinijackx

I was extremely disaponted GG.

killzone 3 lacks

Forge Mode/Map Editor
Custom Game Types
Custom Games
Horde Mode/Terrorist Hunt/ Fire Fight
4 Player Co-Op
Online Co-Op
Lack of focus on vehicular combat
Theater

xMinijackx

Implying anything in red is even important.... and I also have a strong feeling they will be patching in Custom Games and Online Co-Op.

*Just a sidenote: Plenty of good FPS games do not feature vehicular combat, and they are great. Just because it works for Halo doesn't mean everybody needs it. Also, I could care less about a map editor. I'm not about to spend hours in development of anything, and it would've merely delayed the game.

Additionally I will say that you should've put "Vechicular Combat" on your list not a lack of.

Most of the stuff you list has abolutely nothing to do with the amount of GB on disc. KZ2 even had some of those features (custom games, server browser), but for whatever reason they wanted to streamline the multi-player for KZ3. However the one thing that did surprise me about KZ3 is that it's all 720P, even the cutscenes. Now obviously the gameplay itself is going to be native 720P as that's the practical limit for current gen console games, but you would think with 41GB on disc that all the cut scenes would be fully uncompressed and natively displayed 1080P video. Maybe they're stored on disc as such, but they only output at 720P. Of course it all looks great even at 720P, but it is a bit odd.2Chalupas

Probably native at 720p for technical reasons. Not everyone's televisions can display 1080p, so I'm assuming that that is part of it.

tats coz halo reach is better

70 minutes cutscene ??

alot of it was repeated code to reduce load times...may as well use the space available on a blue ray for stuf like that

[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]Most of the stuff you list has abolutely nothing to do with the amount of GB on disc. KZ2 even had some of those features (custom games, server browser), but for whatever reason they wanted to streamline the multi-player for KZ3. However the one thing that did surprise me about KZ3 is that it's all 720P, even the cutscenes. Now obviously the gameplay itself is going to be native 720P as that's the practical limit for current gen console games, but you would think with 41GB on disc that all the cut scenes would be fully uncompressed and natively displayed 1080P video. Maybe they're stored on disc as such, but they only output at 720P. Of course it all looks great even at 720P, but it is a bit odd.JangoWuzHere

Aren't the cutscenes all real time?

[QUOTE="xMinijackx"]

I was extremely disaponted GG.

killzone 3 lacks

Forge Mode/Map Editor
Custom Game Types
Custom Games
Horde Mode/Terrorist Hunt/ Fire Fight
4 Player Co-Op
Online Co-Op
Lack of focus on vehicular combat
Theater

Masenkoe

Implying anything in red is even important.... and I also have a strong feeling they will be patching in Custom Games and Online Co-Op.

*Just a sidenote: Plenty of good FPS games do not feature vehicular combat, and they are great. Just because it works for Halo doesn't mean everybody needs it. Also, I could care less about a map editor. I'm not about to spend hours in development of anything, and it would've merely delayed the game.

Additionally I will say that you should've put "Vechicular Combat" on your list not a lack of.

Well I enjoyed everything that's red... If it adds to the game & is fun, think it's pretty important in a comparison. Just because you don't care about Forge Modes/Map Editors & like being restricted to what GG gives you doesn't mean everyone doesn't like the option.

Reach has more modes, not more content. KZ3 has amazing physics in both gunplay and gameplay and tons of audio and visual effects. The online has dedicated servers, which trumps p2p always, and is more valuable than any modes a dev could add. A single map on KZ3 has more detail than a level in Halo.

What is more important to people will vary, but saying a game has more content than another isn't easily justified when they are very different.

I can't even imagine a map editor for KZ3, the maps are so detailed I imagine that any map editor would produce some fugly concept designs in comparison.

Quality over quantity my friend :). Killzone 3 = quality Halo reach = quantityTheAcountantMan

It's more like:

Killzone 3 = quality
Halo: Reach = quality and quantity

3D doesnt require more disk space, some extra code that sets up 2 scene cameras instead of one. Because disk space is so abundant, they take advantage of it by repeating code, speeds things up a touch.

OP: Really, you were really dissappointed with Killzone 3?? Seriously?

3D doesnt require more disk space, some extra code that sets up 2 scene cameras instead of one. Because disk space is so abundant, they take advantage of it by repeating code, speeds things up a touch.

OP: Really, you were really dissappointed with Killzone 3?? Seriously?

DAZZER7

It definitely takes more space. The 3d demo was quite a bit larger than the 2d one.

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

3D doesnt require more disk space, some extra code that sets up 2 scene cameras instead of one. Because disk space is so abundant, they take advantage of it by repeating code, speeds things up a touch.

OP: Really, you were really dissappointed with Killzone 3?? Seriously?

Pug-Nasty

It definitely takes more space. The 3d demo was quite a bit larger than the 2d one.

No it doesnt, its extra code, a few kbytes at best, doesnt require anything additional beyond that. No extra textures, assets, sound.

Thats because the Blu-Ray discs are packed with loads of uncompressed junk to increase the filesize. The reason for this? Maybe to help prevent piracy (40GB download could be a bit off putting for some people) or maybe its so the PS3 fanboy can go OMG KZ3 is 41GB!!!!!

Thats because the Blu-Ray discs are packed with loads of uncompressed junk to increase the filesize. The reason for this? Maybe to help prevent piracy (40GB download could be a bit off putting for some people) or maybe its so the PS3 fanboy can go OMG KZ3 is 41GB!!!!!

pelvist

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

3D doesnt require more disk space, some extra code that sets up 2 scene cameras instead of one. Because disk space is so abundant, they take advantage of it by repeating code, speeds things up a touch.

OP: Really, you were really dissappointed with Killzone 3?? Seriously?

DAZZER7

It definitely takes more space. The 3d demo was quite a bit larger than the 2d one.

No it doesnt, its extra code, a few kbytes at best, doesnt require anything additional beyond that. No extra textures, assets, sound.

I don't know what you are arguing. Yes, it's extra code. No, it's not a few KBs. There's nothing to argue here. The 3d demo size vs the 2d demo size conclusively shows that whatever you think about the situation is wrong.

[QUOTE="xMinijackx"]

So where is this 41gbs going to? im confused

LordQuorthon

Uncompressed audio, uncompressed video and 3D.

3D has nothing to do with that.

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

It definitely takes more space. The 3d demo was quite a bit larger than the 2d one.

Pug-Nasty

No it doesnt, its extra code, a few kbytes at best, doesnt require anything additional beyond that. No extra textures, assets, sound.

I don't know what you are arguing. Yes, it's extra code. No, it's not a few KBs. There's nothing to argue here. The 3d demo size vs the 2d demo size conclusively shows that whatever you think about the situation is wrong.

I'm telling you, adding an extra camera to a scene is a few extra kbytes, its a fact not what I 'think'. Beats me what else they put in there.

It's not like they're charging you per GB, who cares how big each game was. I enjoyed Killzone 3 way more than Reach so good job GG.

Also why would you want vehicular combat?.

Most of the stuff you list has abolutely nothing to do with the amount of GB on disc. KZ2 even had some of those features (custom games, server browser), but for whatever reason they wanted to streamline the multi-player for KZ3. However the one thing that did surprise me about KZ3 is that it's all 720P, even the cutscenes. Now obviously the gameplay itself is going to be native 720P as that's the practical limit for current gen console games, but you would think with 41GB on disc that all the cut scenes would be fully uncompressed and natively displayed 1080P video. Maybe they're stored on disc as such, but they only output at 720P. Of course it all looks great even at 720P, but it is a bit odd.2Chalupas

Not odd at all really. Gone are the days of mediocre graphics jarringly spliced with cutting-edge CGI cutscenes. Developers are trying to create a more homogenous experience.

Well KZ2 is still a better FPS than any Halo this gen. Reach is boring me to tears, haven't got KZ3 yet.tomarlyn

Killzone 3 is about 20 gigs, its on the Blu-Ray disc twice for 3D

Not sure about Halo, but Killzone 3 has a lot of languages including audio then it has 3D too. No idea why 3D takes extra space though. They must use some lame tricks to get the 3D effect to work on console's old hardware.

-Unreal-

I was extremely disaponted GG.

killzone 3 lacks

Forge Mode/Map Editor
Custom Game Types
Custom Games
Horde Mode/Terrorist Hunt/ Fire Fight
4 Player Co-Op
Online Co-Op
Lack of focus on vehicular combat
Theater

and please do not say graphics because crysis on pc is only a 6gb game.

So where is this 41gbs going to? im confused

xMinijackx