So has the Wii proven itself to be more powerful than the Xbox?

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#1 TheOneMan
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My opnion: Yes, because of SMG.

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#2 MikeE21286
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I don't think so.....I haven't see a game that couldn't be done on xbox

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Every single game that is out on the Wii could be done on the Xbox..

so no..

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i say yes...just because Mario galaxy looks better than any game i've seen on the xbox, as does metroid prime 3. Even read over at n4g.com that metroid prime 3 "looks beautiful", and "looks light years ahead of Halo 2 on the original xbox, showing that the Wii has more horsepower than the Xbox." Which is dumb anyway lol...of course the Wii is supposed to be more powerful than the xbox.
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#5 EPaul
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Nope all the games on wii could be done graphically on the xbox
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#6 Berserker_2
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The Wii will never have a game that beats Halo 1 (a 6 year old game) in terms of scale, normal maps, AI, and physics. The Xbox GPU supports shaders.
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#7 Sacred-Snow
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I would say that the Wii will most likely end up more powerful, as system's improve graphically over their lifespan, but right now it's on par with the best the Xbox ever offered if not a little below.
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#8 GundamGuy0
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Yes... the GC had games that were very near Xbox... RS2 anyone...

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#9 dracula_16
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No.

No Wii game has beaten the Chronicles of Riddick, Ninja Gaiden Black, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory in the graphics department.

Resident Evil 4: Wii edition got a 9 in graphics and it's 2 year old Gamecube game! what does that say to you? The answer is in my sig.

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i say yes...just because Mario galaxy looks better than any game i've seen on the xbox, as does metroid prime 3. Even read over at n4g.com that metroid prime 3 "looks beautiful", and "looks light years ahead of Halo 2 on the original xbox, showing that the Wii has more horsepower than the Xbox." Which is dumb anyway lol...of course the Wii is supposed to be more powerful than the xbox. duble_Needler23

Does MP3 have a single normal map? How is the AI? Do multiple factions battle it out before your eyes? If you've never played an Xbox game, then you don't understand the power of Xbox. This isn't a fanboy talking. The Xbox was a next-gen system. The Wii is a small white Gamcube with flash memory and an over-clocked Gekko CPU.

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The Wii will never have a game that beats Halo 1 (a 6 year old game) in terms of scale, normal maps, AI, and physics. The Xbox GPU supports shaders.Berserker_2
And so does the GameCube and Wii GPUs. The difference is the shaders in the Xbox GPU are more flexible, allowing more leeway with development. But if you seriously don't believe the Wii GPU supports shaders, you're either ignorant or in denial.
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The Wii will never have a game that beats Halo 1 (a 6 year old game) in terms of scale, normal maps, AI, and physics. The Xbox GPU supports shaders.Berserker_2
Good points.
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#13 liljio14
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u should have not put this thread on this board cuz the 360 and ps3 fanboys going of course say no i'll say yes

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not yet, you will have to wait until August 27th, November 12th, and December 3rd to really get your answers. ;)
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#15 TheOneMan
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u should have not put this thread on this board cuz the 360 and ps3 fanboys going of course say no i'll say yes

liljio14

Quit posting that.

Dueling Analogs = Fail

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#16 Berserker_2
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Here's an example of an Xbox game. It is not the best pic of this game, either. Can the Wii do this? Absolutley not. No shaders on Wii. Sorry, guys, but Bill Gates didn't spend 2 billion on Xbox 1 for no reason.

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not yet, you will have to wait until August 27th, November 12th, and December 3rd to really get your answers. ;)kansasdude2009

We already have our answer- no need to wait.

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#18 MikeE21286
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Here's an example of an Xbox game. It is not the best pic of this game, either. Can the Wii do this? Absolutley not. No shaders on Wii. Sorry, guys, but Bill Gates didn't spend 2 billion on Xbox 1 for no reason.

Berserker_2

Chronicles of Riddick was a great and beautiful game graphically.

I don't know about all the shaders and what not, but I don't see a Wii game even close to this.

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#19 kman3002
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Yes because Mario Galaxy looks better then anything I have seen on the XBOX.
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#20 TheOneMan
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Here's an example of an Xbox game. It is not the best pic of this game, either. Can the Wii do this? Absolutley not. No shaders on Wii. Sorry, guys, but Bill Gates didn't spend 2 billion on Xbox 1 for no reason.

Berserker_2
Chronicles of Riddick doesn't look as clean as that on the Xbox...
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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"]The Wii will never have a game that beats Halo 1 (a 6 year old game) in terms of scale, normal maps, AI, and physics. The Xbox GPU supports shaders.Heil68
Good points.

Thanks. You should see the pic of Riddick that I just posted.

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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"]The Wii will never have a game that beats Halo 1 (a 6 year old game) in terms of scale, normal maps, AI, and physics. The Xbox GPU supports shaders.Hoffgod
And so does the GameCube and Wii GPUs. The difference is the shaders in the Xbox GPU are more flexible, allowing more leeway with development. But if you seriously don't believe the Wii GPU supports shaders, you're either ignorant or in denial.

The Wii can do normal maps or shaders... they just arn't standard... you have to do custom shaders, and mapping.

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#23 TheOneMan
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Though I have to ask.

Why does Luigi's Mansion, a LAUNCH GC game, look better than most of the games on the Wii?

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#24 Berserker_2
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I would say that the Wii will most likely end up more powerful, as system's improve graphically over their lifespan, but right now it's on par with the best the Xbox ever offered if not a little below.Sacred-Snow

If you put the games side-by-side, the Wii games would look obsolete.

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[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]The Wii will never have a game that beats Halo 1 (a 6 year old game) in terms of scale, normal maps, AI, and physics. The Xbox GPU supports shaders.GundamGuy0

And so does the GameCube and Wii GPUs. The difference is the shaders in the Xbox GPU are more flexible, allowing more leeway with development. But if you seriously don't believe the Wii GPU supports shaders, you're either ignorant or in denial.

The Wii can do normal maps or shaders... they just arn't standard... you have to do custom shaders, and mapping.

Exactly. There's a difference between not being standard and not being there at all.
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Here's an example of an Xbox game. It is not the best pic of this game, either. Can the Wii do this? Absolutley not. No shaders on Wii. Sorry, guys, but Bill Gates didn't spend 2 billion on Xbox 1 for no reason.

Berserker_2

first of all they not that much 3rd party company on the wii to make games like that wait till the wii get more 3rd party company to make those kind of games so uhave 2 wait fan boy

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Though I have to ask.

Why does Luigi's Mansion, a LAUNCH GC game, look better than most of the games on the Wii?

TheOneMan

because most developers don't put any effort in getting the most out of the TEV unit...

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[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]The Wii will never have a game that beats Halo 1 (a 6 year old game) in terms of scale, normal maps, AI, and physics. The Xbox GPU supports shaders.GundamGuy0

And so does the GameCube and Wii GPUs. The difference is the shaders in the Xbox GPU are more flexible, allowing more leeway with development. But if you seriously don't believe the Wii GPU supports shaders, you're either ignorant or in denial.

The Wii can do normal maps or shaders... they just arn't standard... you have to do custom shaders, and mapping.

The Atari 2600 can do shaders, if it has 10,000 years to render a scene. In fact, you can use pencil and paper mathmatics to generate a normal map. The GC and Wii do not have the hardware to perform these calculations in real-time. The Xbox does.

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#29 Huxley_04
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Here's an example of an Xbox game. It is not the best pic of this game, either. Can the Wii do this? Absolutley not. No shaders on Wii. Sorry, guys, but Bill Gates didn't spend 2 billion on Xbox 1 for no reason.

Berserker_2

that's the PC version..

nice try though..

Conker:Live and Reloaded looked better than Chronicles for the xbox

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#30 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]The Wii will never have a game that beats Halo 1 (a 6 year old game) in terms of scale, normal maps, AI, and physics. The Xbox GPU supports shaders.Hoffgod

And so does the GameCube and Wii GPUs. The difference is the shaders in the Xbox GPU are more flexible, allowing more leeway with development. But if you seriously don't believe the Wii GPU supports shaders, you're either ignorant or in denial.

The Wii can do normal maps or shaders... they just arn't standard... you have to do custom shaders, and mapping.

Exactly. There's a difference between not being standard and not being there at all.

Im glad someone else here understands what's really going on with Wii games...

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Though I have to ask.

Why does Luigi's Mansion, a LAUNCH GC game, look better than most of the games on the Wii?

TheOneMan

Same reason it looks better than most p2 games.

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#32 TheOneMan
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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

Here's an example of an Xbox game. It is not the best pic of this game, either. Can the Wii do this? Absolutley not. No shaders on Wii. Sorry, guys, but Bill Gates didn't spend 2 billion on Xbox 1 for no reason.

Huxley_04

that's the PC version..

nice try though..

Conker:Live and Reloaded looked better than Chronicles for the xbox

SMG looks better than Conker. It even beats it at fur shading.
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#33 Berserker_2
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Though I have to ask.

Why does Luigi's Mansion, a LAUNCH GC game, look better than most of the games on the Wii?

TheOneMan

Part of the issue is that Nintendo has made the argument that "graphics don't matter". They probably lowered their standards in terms of graphics. Perhaps they even encouraged weak graphics because of this philosphy.

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#34 V-a-i-z-a-r-d
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super mario galaxy is better than all x box games
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Though I have to ask.

Why does Luigi's Mansion, a LAUNCH GC game, look better than most of the games on the Wii?

TheOneMan
Time, most likely. Games take time to make. For example, Luigi's Mansion. Luigi's Mansion was in development years before the GameCube launched. That's plenty of time to get a lot out of a system. By contrast, most Wii games began development after E3 2006, and many of those are ports of older games. That's not enough time to really utilize a system, even if it is a more familiar machine like the Wii. I've been saying for a while this fall will give us a better idea of the real power the Wii has. And from games like Brawl and Galaxy, it looks like it's got more than we've been giving it credit for.
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Yeah it started verry dull but slowly the wii starts to win the past generation gfx race!

lol

No seriously the wii is starting to look good at is own

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just so everyone knows......nothing will be proven in this thread and there is no end to the arguing.
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#38 V-a-i-z-a-r-d
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Yeah it started verry dull but slowly the wii starts to win the past generation gfx race!

lol

tarmadadj
it already has won
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The Atari 2600 can do shaders, if it has 10,000 years to render a scene. In fact, you can use pencil and paper mathmatics to generate a normal map. The GC and Wii do not have the hardware to perform these calculations in real-time. The Xbox does.

Berserker_2

Actually it does... and the GC has it too... it's called the TEV unit... it's basicaly just there for programable shaders and other effects...

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just so everyone knows......nothing will be proven in this thread and there is no end to the arguing.MikeE21286
True, but I've finally created a thread that has over 32 posts!
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#41 goblaa
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Here's an example of an Xbox game. It is not the best pic of this game, either. Can the Wii do this? Absolutley not. No shaders on Wii. Sorry, guys, but Bill Gates didn't spend 2 billion on Xbox 1 for no reason.

Berserker_2

PC screen shot ^^^

Xbox screen shot^^^

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I don't know why people even said the Xbox is more powerful than the Wii. The Wii has more ram, more procesing power, more everything. Sure the games don't show it, but that does not change the fact that the system is more powerful. Games like MP3 and SMG show it.
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#43 TheOneMan
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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

Here's an example of an Xbox game. It is not the best pic of this game, either. Can the Wii do this? Absolutley not. No shaders on Wii. Sorry, guys, but Bill Gates didn't spend 2 billion on Xbox 1 for no reason.

goblaa

PC screen shot ^^^

Xbox screen shot^^^

That's what I was trying to say.
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#44 MikeE21286
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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]just so everyone knows......nothing will be proven in this thread and there is no end to the arguing.TheOneMan
True, but I've finally created a thread that has over 32 posts!

lol, nice...the funny thing is, these are the ones that get the biggest post counts.

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wow galaxy does look better than riddick. it is betetr than x box. get over it
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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

Here's an example of an Xbox game. It is not the best pic of this game, either. Can the Wii do this? Absolutley not. No shaders on Wii. Sorry, guys, but Bill Gates didn't spend 2 billion on Xbox 1 for no reason.

goblaa

PC screen shot ^^^

Xbox screen shot^^^

way to pick the worst xbox screen....
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[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

Here's an example of an Xbox game. It is not the best pic of this game, either. Can the Wii do this? Absolutley not. No shaders on Wii. Sorry, guys, but Bill Gates didn't spend 2 billion on Xbox 1 for no reason.

killtactics

PC screen shot ^^^

Xbox screen shot^^^

way to pick the worst xbox screen....

That's what it looks like...
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[QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

Here's an example of an Xbox game. It is not the best pic of this game, either. Can the Wii do this? Absolutley not. No shaders on Wii. Sorry, guys, but Bill Gates didn't spend 2 billion on Xbox 1 for no reason.

TheOneMan

Chronicles of Riddick doesn't look as clean as that on the Xbox...

I actually agree. I played, beat, and quite enjoyed the game... but I don't remember it looking so sharp. Perhaps my eyes?

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#50 killtactics
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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

Here's an example of an Xbox game. It is not the best pic of this game, either. Can the Wii do this? Absolutley not. No shaders on Wii. Sorry, guys, but Bill Gates didn't spend 2 billion on Xbox 1 for no reason.

TheOneMan

PC screen shot ^^^

Xbox screen shot^^^

way to pick the worst xbox screen....

That's what it looks like...

have u ever played it? it looks like the PC one with jaggies.... u can't even see any thing in that pic b/c its so dark...