so it turned out that Blu-ray

does affect the quality of the graphics, especially when you have Microsoft holding back devs from releasing their games on multiple discs ( see Rage and what Carmack had to say about it ) , due to the onerous costs per disc.

That's really a shame, since 360 owners could get superior version of games like Rage, which will end up looking better on the ps3 because of Ms's stubborness.

Carmack said they'll have to sacrifice the quality of the textures on the 360 version of Rage to make the final product fit on 2 discs. So, I guess the blu-ray was a good thing for Sony after all and it's the only true advantage the Ps3 have over the 360.

I really don't get why Ms would not let devs be free to release their products in the best possible way, without having to find compromises, to the detriment of quality?

You're basing your whole topic around something that was discussed to death back at the end of '08?

You're basing your whole topic around something that was discussed to death back at the end of '08?

lundy86_4

bluray doesn't help graphics. Carmack complained cause he had to squeeze a huge amount of data into 2 discs and in doing so, he'll have to use some strong compression, which results in less defined textures

You're basing your whole topic around something that was discussed to death back at the end of '08?

lundy86_4

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

You're basing your whole topic around something that was discussed to death back at the end of '08?

aia89

lol more then that some people think bluray just being bluray guarantee's 100 hour epic life like graphic games.

[QUOTE="aia89"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

You're basing your whole topic around something that was discussed to death back at the end of '08?

WilliamRLBaker

lol more then that some people think bluray just being bluray guarantee's 100 hour epic life like graphic games.

no matter what was said i would put $20 on 360 getting the better version.

How is MS stubborn? Sony invented the blu-ray, I don't think that they would want to hand their format over to the competition anyway.

EDIT: Also, id demoed RAGE on 360 at E3 this year and people were still blown away by how much juice they pumped out of the 360.

How is MS stubborn? Sony invented the blu-ray, I don't think that they would want to hand their format over to the competition anyway.

EDIT: Also, id demoed RAGE on 360 at E3 this year and people were still blown away by how much juice they pumped out of the 360.

iammason

How is MS stubborn? Sony invented the blu-ray, I don't think that they would want to hand their format over to the competition anyway.

EDIT: Also, id demoed RAGE on 360 at E3 this year and people were still blown away by how much juice they pumped out of the 360.

How is MS stubborn? Sony invented the blu-ray, I don't think that they would want to hand their format over to the competition anyway.

EDIT: Also, id demoed RAGE on 360 at E3 this year and people were still blown away by how much juice they pumped out of the 360.

blueray does not make a game better, it just allows the devs to put more on 1 disk

And Crysis is on.....?

And Crysis is on.....?

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="wirey87"] stubborn for charging so much on multiple discs, like Carmack said. wirey87

And Crysis is on.....?

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

And Crysis is on.....?

Funconsole

[QUOTE="Funconsole"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

And Crysis is on.....?

ExESGO

well it can effect graphics, but it doesn't effect the amount of power a system has.

like here is an analogy, 2 people in the desert, one is an athlete with a bottle of water, the other is an average joe with 3 gallons of water...

the smart thing to do would be for the athlete to kill the average joe dude, so he'll have blood and water to drink and survive much longer, but that doesn't really help my point

so they are walking, likely the athlete will run out of water first and die, he just couldn't hold as much in his bottle but he was a much stronger performer when it came to traveling in the desert.

the average guy survives much longer since he can hold more water, took him longer to travel, but he survived due to having a larger supply of water.

what happend with rage is, ps3 has a larger capacity for textures, regardless of who is a better performer, one of them has a bigger pool to play with, unfortunately the end result will be similar, because only 512mbs can fit into ram,

so probably what will end up happening, and something stupid too, ps3 will have sharper textures, while xbox textures leave more room for other stupid things no one will care about, kind of like what happened with ghost busters and how more effects just kind of appeared, or more foliage in rdr...

I'm really stunned that MS didn't back down on the cost per additional disc. I understand not wanting to have a disadvantage vs. the PS3, especially not one so easily illustrated (some fanboy would take a pic of 3 Rage 360 discs sitting next to a single PS3 disc), but at the same time, it was bound to get out that a few games aren't easily fit onto a DVD. If you're going to take the flak for it somewhere along the road, why not let devs do whatever it takes to make a top-quality product?lowe0

bluray doesn't help graphics. Carmack complained cause he had to squeeze a huge amount of data into 2 discs and in doing so, he'll have to use some strong compression, which results in less defined textures

aia89

That's actually not true.

BluRay does help graphics.....FF13 being a prime example.

100 pack of dvd rws 23 bucks. a ten pack of blue rays 25 bucks. yes the cost is too great to make multi dvd games:roll:

blu ray has shown nothing . maybe next gen with ps4 or the next box when they have the power to take advantage of hd

That was a old article, and they weren't for sure if Microsoft was going to let them use the multiple discs or not, so it wasn't really a open, or shut case. I'm sure Microsoft will allow them to use multiple discs if it is going to effect the quality of the game. I have both systems, so I plan on buying the best version, but I really like the 360's controller better, not to mention those achievements. Time will tell, but I think it is still a little early to call it in just yet.

Blu-ray can also make me milkshakes

I guess the simple, simple logic of having more room to work with allows for developers to have more detailed, and more, stuff is avoiding the naysayers here.

Anyone who thinks that Blu-Ray helps with the graphics is very blind. Disc media in no way helps the graphics, just about storage for space. It's the certain hardware inside gaming consoles systems & the hardware inside PC's that helps with better graphics.

Anyone who thinks that Blu-Ray helps with the graphics is very blind. Disc media in no way helps the graphics, just more storage for space. It's the certain hardware inside systems & PC's that does.

garland51

100 pack of dvd rws 23 bucks. a ten pack of blue rays 25 bucks. yes the cost is too great to make multi dvd games:roll:

blu ray has shown nothing . maybe next gen with ps4 or the next box when they have the power to take advantage of hd

monson21502

PS3's doing HD just fine for this generation though.

PS3's also got BluRay.

Coincidence? I think not. ;)

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100 pack of dvd rws 23 bucks. a ten pack of blue rays 25 bucks. yes the cost is too great to make multi dvd games:roll:

blu ray has shown nothing . maybe next gen with ps4 or the next box when they have the power to take advantage of hd

Unnatural101

PS3's doing HD just fine for this generation though.

PS3's also got BluRay.

Coincidence? I think not. ;)

[QUOTE="garland51"]

Anyone who thinks that Blu-Ray helps with the graphics is very blind. Disc media in no way helps the graphics, just more storage for space. It's the certain hardware inside systems & PC's that does.

lx_theo

It allows for better graphics. Its really quite simple. Basically it takes away the restrictions smaller disc put on graphics. Very simple logic.lx_theo

Please. If that were the case, every PS3 game would be looking a lot better than games on 360, especially for multiplats. Crysis 1, for example, happened to look a lot better than every PS3 exclusive in the book, & guess what format it was on...DVD!

[QUOTE="aia89"]

bluray doesn't help graphics. Carmack complained cause he had to squeeze a huge amount of data into 2 discs and in doing so, he'll have to use some strong compression, which results in less defined textures

Unnatural101

That's actually not true.

BluRay does help graphics.....FF13 being a prime example.

No, it doesn't.

How is MS stubborn? Sony invented the blu-ray, I don't think that they would want to hand their format over to the competition anyway.

EDIT: Also, id demoed RAGE on 360 at E3 this year and people were still blown away by how much juice they pumped out of the 360.

iammason

Sony didn't invent BluRay on its own... MS actually had a hand(actually the only hand) in developing one of the codecs used for BluRay video discs.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]It allows for better graphics. Its really quite simple. Basically it takes away the restrictions smaller disc put on graphics. Very simple logic.garland51

Please. If that were the case, every PS3 game would be looking a lot better than games on 360, especially for multiplats. Crysis 1, for example, happened to look a lot better than every PS3 exclusive in the book, & guess what format it was on...DVD!

100 pack of dvd rws 23 bucks. a ten pack of blue rays 25 bucks. yes the cost is too great to make multi dvd games:roll:

blu ray has shown nothing . maybe next gen with ps4 or the next box when they have the power to take advantage of hd

monson21502

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]It allows for better graphics. Its really quite simple. Basically it takes away the restrictions smaller disc put on graphics. Very simple logic.lx_theo

Please. If that were the case, every PS3 game would be looking a lot better than games on 360, especially for multiplats. Crysis 1, for example, happened to look a lot better than every PS3 exclusive in the book, & guess what format it was on...DVD!

1 DVD? Or did the huge installation on the computer make your forget how stupid that sounds? And it makes a difference, not a huge one, but a notable one. Denying that simple fact is denying the blatant.

I want you to show me how Blu-Ray helps in graphics within games like it does within movies in 1080p. Seriously, show me.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

[QUOTE="garland51"]

Please. If that were the case, every PS3 game would be looking a lot better than games on 360, especially for multiplats. Crysis 1, for example, happened to look a lot better than every PS3 exclusive in the book, & guess what format it was on...DVD!garland51

1 DVD? Or did the huge installation on the computer make your forget how stupid that sounds? And it makes a difference, not a huge one, but a notable one. Denying that simple fact is denying the blatant.

I want you to show me how Blu-Ray helps in graphics within games like it does in movies in 1080p. Seriously, show me.

I want you to show me how Blu-Ray helps in graphics within games like it does within movies in 1080p. Seriously, show me.

garland51

Like I said before...Final Fantasy 13 is all the example you need.

On the PS3 the game was 720p while the games cut scenes were a full 1080p.

On the XBOX 360, FF13 was SUB HD, while the cut scenes were only 720.

Why? because DVD couldn't handle it without bringing out 3 to 5 more DVD disks.

So that's how and why BluRay helps with graphics.

bluray doesn't help graphics. Carmack complained cause he had to squeeze a huge amount of data into 2 discs and in doing so, he'll have to use some strong compression, which results in less defined textures

aia89

"Bluray doesn't affect graphics, 360 graphics will just suffer due to heavy compression needed because of disc size"

You do see your contradiction, right?

People flames me to high heaven back in the day but look what happens. I knew it would too because games get bigger. Same thing happened in the PS2 era and now it's happening here. Granted it's not some huge difference but I knew the capability to hold Higher res textures would come in handy. Too bad the PS3 load times suffer as a direct result on Bluray though. Kind of a double edge sword.

EDDIT:Just to be clear I don't mean to say that Bluray magically makes games have better graphics. But the larger storage allows for higher resolution everything to be fit onto the discs allowing for better looking games on less discs.

[QUOTE="ExESGO"][QUOTE="Funconsole"] Purple ray 8)DragonfireXZ95

Linky to Holographic disc info.

Another company has gotten up to 1.5 terrabytes of info on a single dvd size disc and it reads SUPER fast.

You're basing your whole topic around something that was discussed to death back at the end of '08?

[QUOTE="garland51"]

I want you to show me how Blu-Ray helps in graphics within games like it does within movies in 1080p. Seriously, show me.

Unnatural101

Like I said before...Final Fantasy 13 is all the example you need.

On the PS3 the game was 720p while the games cut scenes were a full 1080p.

On the XBOX 360, FF13 was SUB HD, while the cut scenes were only 720.

Why? because DVD couldn't handle it without bringing out 3 to 5 more DVD disks.

So that's how and why BluRay helps with graphics.

Now explain Crysis.