So its been 10 months since the PS3 launch. has bluray proven to be necessary?

So far i dont think so. No games that have come out has proven that bluray is necessary. Both in size, graphics and everything else, 360 has ps3 beat. "BUT UNCHARTED/MGS 4 WILL PROVE THAT BLURAY IS NECESSARY LOL". first and foremost, i think that both could be done on 360, and the rest is just PR talk. but even if it wasnt the case, is it really worth spending 499 dollars on this "improved" gaming machine if only a handful games take advantage of it? isnt that the definition on wasted money? Id rather change the disc for 1 or 2 360 games instead. its cheaper and not a waste of space and money. IF they can put mass effect on one disc, then i dont think many games will need 2 discs this generation, let alone 30 gigs of space. Heck, Zelda TP on gamecube, a 50-60 hour game fit on ONE 1,5 gig GC disc. and that was small even by last gen standards.

im sorry, but i just dont see bluray being necessary. it hasnt been so far, and i dont think that the situation will suddenly make a 180.

Well, no its not "nessecary".

Its primary draw is the ability to view Blu-Ray movies, which unfortunately for many people, simply isn't all that compelling an investment.

Xbox 360 games = No Lossless HD Audio because of DVD size.

Blu-Ray is necessary.

Watching Jessica Alba in HD?

Yes it is necessary

It's not necessary, but it's proved to be both advantageous to developers and practical for consumers. For example, Epic Games are saying that they can fit more maps on the retail disk. Sure, you can download them later over Xbox Live, but that's a hassle. Disk-swapping is eliminated too, and we're seeing more high-quality components in our games like 7.1 "lossless" surround sound. However, you can easily live without all of this stuff. On the base level, all Blu-ray is *really* offering is stunning video playback quality. If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that.

So far? No. In the future? Maybe.

If the best they can do with Bluray is offer uncompressed audio and 6 hours of gameplay *cough* HS i'm glaring at you *cough* then i'd have to say a big fat no.

Sony should worry more about getting a half way playable game out of the door rather than getting devs to tell us how much of a disk they managed to fill with duplicate copies of the game.

It's not necessary, but it's proved to be both advantageous to developers and practical for consumers. For example, Epic Games are saying that they can fit more maps on the retail disk. Sure, you can download them later over Xbox Live, but that's a hassle. Disk-swapping is eliminated too, and we're seeing more high-quality components in our games like 7.1 "lossless" surround sound. However, you can easily live without all of this stuff. On the base level, all Blu-ray is *really* offering is stunning video playback quality. If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that.

-Spock-

Nonsense.

Most people don't have HD TV's.

Most people aren't interested in a $600 console.

Most people aren't interested in a new HD Movie format.

Blue Dragon needs 3 DVD discs. PGR4 won't have day and night racing because of the DVD9 limitations on XBox360. The 360 version of UT3 will be gimped because they can't fit all the maps and data onto a DVD disc.

So, if you enjoy playing gimped versions of games and missing huge contents like day and night driving, and having 3 discs games (that's so 1997, FF7) , then sure I guess Blu Ray isn't needed.

Off course it has proven itself .

Heavenly Sword for example , one of the most awaited PS3 games has a whopping 10 GB just dedicated to its audio and an incredible 5 hours of game play to be enjoyed and.....5 hours ??? ..ehh...wait .,... mmm....,

..........illbe back later .

Blue Dragon needs 3 DVD discs. PGR4 won't have day and night racing because of the DVD9 limitations on XBox360. The 360 version of UT3 will be gimped because they can't fit all the maps and data onto a DVD disc.

So, if you enjoy playing gimped versions of games and missing huge contents like day and night driving, and having 3 discs games (that's so 1997, FF7) , then sure I guess Blu Ray isn't needed.

BlueSkyCloud

[QUOTE="-Spock-"]

It's not necessary, but it's proved to be both advantageous to developers and practical for consumers. For example, Epic Games are saying that they can fit more maps on the retail disk. Sure, you can download them later over Xbox Live, but that's a hassle. Disk-swapping is eliminated too, and we're seeing more high-quality components in our games like 7.1 "lossless" surround sound. However, you can easily live without all of this stuff. On the base level, all Blu-ray is *really* offering is stunning video playback quality. If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that.

KirbyFan10101

Nonsense.

Most people don't have HD TV's.

Most people aren't interested in a $600 console.

Most people aren't interested in a new HD Movie format.

Why don't you actually read on to find out what "practical for consumers" means? Not having to get up and change a disk is practical. Not having to waste time downloading extra maps over Xbox Live is practical. Hell, if you'd read on even more you'd have seen where I said that you can live without it.

[QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"][QUOTE="-Spock-"]

It's not necessary, but it's proved to be both advantageous to developers and practical for consumers. For example, Epic Games are saying that they can fit more maps on the retail disk. Sure, you can download them later over Xbox Live, but that's a hassle. Disk-swapping is eliminated too, and we're seeing more high-quality components in our games like 7.1 "lossless" surround sound. However, you can easily live without all of this stuff. On the base level, all Blu-ray is *really* offering is stunning video playback quality. If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that.

-Spock-

Nonsense.

Most people don't have HD TV's.

Most people aren't interested in a $600 console.

Most people aren't interested in a new HD Movie format.

Why don't you actually read on to find out what "practical for consumers" means? Not having to get up and change a disk is practical. Not having to waste time downloading extra maps over Xbox Live is practical. Hell, if you'd read on even more you'd have seen where I said that you can live without it.

I didn't realise consumer practicality involved being force fed expensive technology with very little overall interest. I understand your point, but its taking things much too literally. People are better off having choices; like the choice to be involved with an unproven movie format. Thats whats practical for consumers at the end of the day, and the hole in the buyers pocket is always going to supercede "lossless audio", which i'm willing to bet less than 1% of video gamers actually care about.

You guys mentioning PGR4 need to get a little updated on the news...

On July 27, a Bizarre Creations staffer posted on their forums that the upcoming Project Gotham Racing 4 won't have day and night versions of their tracks in the game because "Whilst this wasn't a problem for our dev team, it was a problem fitting all this data onto a single DVD. So we've worked around the problem by providing different lighting models per city."

Seems pretty straight forward, right? But when people sorta went **** pointing out, rightfully so, that perhaps the medium (DVD) is holding back the game, Bizarre Creations cranked up their spin machine and issued a response under the befuddling headline "Wrong end of stick been grasped?"

In it they seem to blame "fanboys" for the spin on their story, instead of the person in their company who actually said the DVD didn't have enough space.

But the DVD has plenty of space, they say now: "DVD size is absolutely not a factor that we consider when designing our games... and PGR4 is no exception. DVD9 gives us more than we need to create a fabulous experience for you guys."

Notice the word "designing", does that mean that it is a factor when they actually get down to creating them? Because it certainly seems so. BC goes on to write that the issue of no night and day was one caused by developer time and resources, which directly contradicts what was posted in their forums. They had to pick and choose what they wanted to spend development time on and they went with dynamic weather rather than time of day.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/dvd/bizzare-talks-disc-space-and-pgr4-284936.php

[QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"][QUOTE="-Spock-"]

It's not necessary, but it's proved to be both advantageous to developers and practical for consumers. For example, Epic Games are saying that they can fit more maps on the retail disk. Sure, you can download them later over Xbox Live, but that's a hassle. Disk-swapping is eliminated too, and we're seeing more high-quality components in our games like 7.1 "lossless" surround sound. However, you can easily live without all of this stuff. On the base level, all Blu-ray is *really* offering is stunning video playback quality. If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that.

-Spock-

Nonsense.

Most people don't have HD TV's.

Most people aren't interested in a $600 console.

Most people aren't interested in a new HD Movie format.

Why don't you actually read on to find out what "practical for consumers" means? Not having to get up and change a disk is practical. Not having to waste time downloading extra maps over Xbox Live is practical. Hell, if you'd read on even more you'd have seen where I said that you can live without it.

[QUOTE="-Spock-"][QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"][QUOTE="-Spock-"]

It's not necessary, but it's proved to be both advantageous to developers and practical for consumers. For example, Epic Games are saying that they can fit more maps on the retail disk. Sure, you can download them later over Xbox Live, but that's a hassle. Disk-swapping is eliminated too, and we're seeing more high-quality components in our games like 7.1 "lossless" surround sound. However, you can easily live without all of this stuff. On the base level, all Blu-ray is *really* offering is stunning video playback quality. If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that.

KirbyFan10101

Nonsense.

Most people don't have HD TV's.

Most people aren't interested in a $600 console.

Most people aren't interested in a new HD Movie format.

Why don't you actually read on to find out what "practical for consumers" means? Not having to get up and change a disk is practical. Not having to waste time downloading extra maps over Xbox Live is practical. Hell, if you'd read on even moreyou'd have seen where I said that you can live without it.

I didn't realise consumer practicality involved being force fed expensive technology with very little overall interest. I understand your point, but its taking things much too literally. People are better off having choices; like the choice to be involved with an unproven movie format. Thats whats practical for consumers at the end of the day, and the hole in the buyers pocket is always going to supercede "lossless audio", which i'm willing to bet less than 1% of video gamers actually care about.

Of course, hence the reason why I said "If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that". I thought I made it very clear that I was thinking literally.

I've been thinking, what will become of Blu-ray in five years time and how will that affect PS3 sales? When it's actually affordable and HDTV penetration is far beyond the 30% it's at now? Since the PS3 will still be in production at that point (falling in line with the ten year life-cycle every PlayStation branded console has undergone/is undergoing), do you think we will start to see consumers caring about it?

Of course, hence the reason why I said "If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that". I thought I made it very clear that I was thinking literally.-Spock-

I'm afraid I don't understand this. If you want a playstation 3, you are stuck with a Blu-Ray player, no?

I've been thinking, what will become of Blu-ray in five years time and how will that affect PS3 sales? When it's actually affordable and HDTV penetration is far beyond the 30% it's at now? Since the PS3 will still be in production at that point (falling in line with the ten year life-cycle every PlayStation branded console has undergone/is undergoing), do you think we will start to see consumers caring about it?-Spock-

Well, at what point is it going to be too late. If the PS3 is going to make a comeback it has to be soon, its not going to happen a year before the generation is over.

The degree to which people care about Blu-Ray is especially dependant on too many random variables to be counted on. Will Blu-Ray overcome HD DVD, vice versa, or will the two coexist. Will HD movies appeal to the common man in any reaosnable time frame?

To me, the Wii is really the Anti PS3. With no movie functionality, a brand new controller, and no HD, its an amazing contrast. The people have spoken, and apparently in the console world less is more.

but the bluray read too slow you have to install the games on the harddrive , do you think its more practical for the consumer?legol1

As far as i'm aware, only Genji and Ridge Racer 7 use the install feature. Plus it's an option: you don't have to do it if you don't want to. It takes three minutes to complete and only has to be done once, assuming you do want to see shorter, four-second-long load times. In the end, you just need to measure up the amount of time waiting to load versus the amount of time waiting to install. If the former is longer, install. If the latter is longer, don't install. Ask yourself: am I really going to be playing Genji this much?

Of course, hence the reason why I said "If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that". I thought I made it very clear that I was thinking literally.

I've been thinking, what will become of Blu-ray in five years time and how will that affect PS3 sales? When it's actually affordable and HDTV penetration is far beyond the 30% it's at now? Since the PS3 will still be in production at that point (falling in line with the ten year life-cycle every PlayStation branded console has undergone/is undergoing), do you think we will start to see consumers caring about it?

-Spock-

Quick question: What makes you think a standalone blu-ray player will never go under the PS3's cost. It's vastly cheaper to get a DVD player right now than it is to get a PS2.

[QUOTE="-Spock-"]

Of course, hence the reason why I said "If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that". I thought I made it very clear that I was thinking literally.KirbyFan10101

I'm afraid I don't understand this. If you want a playstation 3, you are stuck with a Blu-Ray player, no?

Yes, unfortunately. If you want just the games and no Blu-ray, i'm afraid you're screwed. This is where you're argument about practicality is correct -- i'm thinking more literally, you are not.

[QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"][QUOTE="-Spock-"]

Of course, hence the reason why I said "If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that". I thought I made it very clear that I was thinking literally.-Spock-

I'm afraid I don't understand this. If you want a playstation 3, you are stuck with a Blu-Ray player, no?

Yes, unfortunately. If you want just the games and no Blu-ray, i'm afraid you're screwed. This is where you're argument about practicality is correct -- i'm thinking more literally, you are not.

Thats me in a nutshell.

But yes, its clear now.

You guys mentioning PGR4 need to get a little updated on the news...

On July 27, a Bizarre Creations staffer posted on their forums that the upcoming Project Gotham Racing 4 won't have day and night versions of their tracks in the game because "Whilst this wasn't a problem for our dev team, it was a problem fitting all this data onto a single DVD. So we've worked around the problem by providing different lighting models per city."

Seems pretty straight forward, right? But when people sorta went **** pointing out, rightfully so, that perhaps the medium (DVD) is holding back the game, Bizarre Creations cranked up their spin machine and issued a response under the befuddling headline "Wrong end of stick been grasped?"

In it they seem to blame "fanboys" for the spin on their story, instead of the person in their company who actually said the DVD didn't have enough space.

But the DVD has plenty of space, they say now: "DVD size is absolutely not a factor that we consider when designing our games... and PGR4 is no exception. DVD9 gives us more than we need to create a fabulous experience for you guys."

Notice the word "designing", does that mean that it is a factor when they actually get down to creating them? Because it certainly seems so. BC goes on to write that the issue of no night and day was one caused by developer time and resources, which directly contradicts what was posted in their forums. They had to pick and choose what they wanted to spend development time on and they went with dynamic weather rather than time of day.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/dvd/bizzare-talks-disc-space-and-pgr4-284936.php

spinecaton

Nice so there will be night races then.

[QUOTE="-Spock-"]

Of course, hence the reason why I said "If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that". I thought I made it very clear that I was thinking literally.

I've been thinking, what will become of Blu-ray in five years time and how will that affect PS3 sales? When it's actually affordable and HDTV penetration is far beyond the 30% it's at now? Since the PS3 will still be in production at that point (falling in line with the ten year life-cycle every PlayStation branded console has undergone/is undergoing), do you think we will start to see consumers caring about it?

Grive

Quick question: What makes you think a standalone blu-ray player will never go under the PS3's cost. It's vastly cheaper to get a DVD player right now than it is to get a PS2.

Stand alone players will go under the PS3's price, that's a fact. There's no denying it. Blu-ray reducing in cost will naturally reduce the PS3's cost though -- the drive is the main thing keeping it above the price of the 360, both on the market and in the manufacturing costs. Blu-ray is the thing that's keeping the PS3 expensive, as Kirby said, so therefore the two's fate is tied directly to each other.

What i'm saying is that when Blu-ray costs go down, the PS3 price will go down and we'll hopefully see better sales from the console. I'm not saying it will be the driving Blu-ray force, and that every player sold will be a PS3 and not a stand-alone player -- oh no, all i'm saying is that greater Blu-ray penetration will probably translate to better PS3 sales, as the manufacturing costs have been reduced.

[QUOTE="-Spock-"]

Of course, hence the reason why I said "If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that". I thought I made it very clear that I was thinking literally.KirbyFan10101

I'm afraid I don't understand this. If you want a playstation 3, you are stuck with a Blu-Ray player, no?

I've been thinking, what will become of Blu-ray in five years time and how will that affect PS3 sales? When it's actually affordable and HDTV penetration is far beyond the 30% it's at now? Since the PS3 will still be in production at that point (falling in line with the ten year life-cycle every PlayStation branded console has undergone/is undergoing), do you think we will start to see consumers caring about it?-Spock-

Well, at what point is it going to be too late. If the PS3 is going to make a comeback it has to be soon, its not going to happen a year before the generation is over.

The degree to which people care about Blu-Ray is especially dependant on too many random variables to be counted on. Will Blu-Ray overcome HD DVD, vice versa, or will the two coexist. Will HD movies appeal to the common man in any reaosnable time frame?

To me, the Wii is really the Anti PS3. With no movie functionality, a brand new controller, and no HD, its an amazing contrast. The people have spoken, and apparently in the console world less is more.

More like; The parents have spoken, and apparently in the console world the less you can spend on your kids console the better!

[QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"][QUOTE="-Spock-"]

Of course, hence the reason why I said "If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that". I thought I made it very clear that I was thinking literally.Stonin

I'm afraid I don't understand this. If you want a playstation 3, you are stuck with a Blu-Ray player, no?

I've been thinking, what will become of Blu-ray in five years time and how will that affect PS3 sales? When it's actually affordable and HDTV penetration is far beyond the 30% it's at now? Since the PS3 will still be in production at that point (falling in line with the ten year life-cycle every PlayStation branded console has undergone/is undergoing), do you think we will start to see consumers caring about it?-Spock-

Well, at what point is it going to be too late. If the PS3 is going to make a comeback it has to be soon, its not going to happen a year before the generation is over.

The degree to which people care about Blu-Ray is especially dependant on too many random variables to be counted on. Will Blu-Ray overcome HD DVD, vice versa, or will the two coexist. Will HD movies appeal to the common man in any reaosnable time frame?

To me, the Wii is really the Anti PS3. With no movie functionality, a brand new controller, and no HD, its an amazing contrast. The people have spoken, and apparently in the console world less is more.

More like; The parents have spoken, and apparently in the console world the less you can spend on your kids console the better!

Thats awfully cynical. :P

People with SD-TV's need a console too!

[QUOTE="Grive"][QUOTE="-Spock-"]

Of course, hence the reason why I said "If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that". I thought I made it very clear that I was thinking literally.

I've been thinking, what will become of Blu-ray in five years time and how will that affect PS3 sales? When it's actually affordable and HDTV penetration is far beyond the 30% it's at now? Since the PS3 will still be in production at that point (falling in line with the ten year life-cycle every PlayStation branded console has undergone/is undergoing), do you think we will start to see consumers caring about it?

-Spock-

Quick question: What makes you think a standalone blu-ray player will never go under the PS3's cost. It's vastly cheaper to get a DVD player right now than it is to get a PS2.

Stand alone players will go under the PS3's price, that's a fact. There's no denying it. Blu-ray reducing in cost will naturally reduce the PS3's cost though -- the drive is the main thing keeping it above the price of the 360, both on the market and in the manufacturing costs. Blu-ray is the thing that's keeping the PS3 expensive, as Kirby said, so therefore the two's fate is tied directly to each other.

What i'm saying is that when Blu-ray costs go down, the PS3 price will go down and we'll hopefully see better sales from the console. I'm not saying it will be the driving Blu-ray force, and that every player sold will be a PS3 and not a stand-alone player -- oh no, all i'm saying is that greater Blu-ray penetration will probably translate to better PS3 sales, as the manufacturing costs have been reduced.

No just no, 10 months ago the blu ray drive costed 120 dollars... research much? 120 dollars at a time

when it was 840 dollars. Hardly the'main issue'

source; isuppli, google it yourself...

[QUOTE="Stonin"][QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"][QUOTE="-Spock-"]

Of course, hence the reason why I said "If you don't want to drop an extra 150 clams for it, you don't have to, simple as that". I thought I made it very clear that I was thinking literally.KirbyFan10101

I'm afraid I don't understand this. If you want a playstation 3, you are stuck with a Blu-Ray player, no?

I've been thinking, what will become of Blu-ray in five years time and how will that affect PS3 sales? When it's actually affordable and HDTV penetration is far beyond the 30% it's at now? Since the PS3 will still be in production at that point (falling in line with the ten year life-cycle every PlayStation branded console has undergone/is undergoing), do you think we will start to see consumers caring about it?-Spock-

Well, at what point is it going to be too late. If the PS3 is going to make a comeback it has to be soon, its not going to happen a year before the generation is over.

The degree to which people care about Blu-Ray is especially dependant on too many random variables to be counted on. Will Blu-Ray overcome HD DVD, vice versa, or will the two coexist. Will HD movies appeal to the common man in any reaosnable time frame?

To me, the Wii is really the Anti PS3. With no movie functionality, a brand new controller, and no HD, its an amazing contrast. The people have spoken, and apparently in the console world less is more.

More like; The parents have spoken, and apparently in the console world the less you can spend on your kids console the better!

Thats awfully cynical. :P

People with SD-TV's need a console too!

Cynical it may be but i'm willing to bet it is closer to the truth than Nintendo having the best console and games right now ;).

Cynical it may be but i'm willing to bet it is closer to the truth than Nintendo having the best console and games right now ;).

Stonin

The 360 is naturally the cream of the crop.

But the Wii has that intangible sex appeal, much like the iPod, where it sells like nothing else you can never quite figure out why.

As cheap as the Wii is I can buy one and not feel too ashamed of myself. :)

Actually, Resistence: Fall of Man took up 18 gb of space on a blu-ray disc. I believe last time i checked Lair was takin up 25 gb of space. Heavenly Sword was using 10gb of space just for the audio and sound on the game. MGS 4 a while back it was stated that it was using 48 gb, and kojima was asking for a 50gb blu-ray just to fit the game on. All those games are visual and even gameplay achievements, all thanks to blu-ray disc. Not to mention, developers for games like PGR 4 and Bioshock were complaining about the limits of dvd-9, resulting in at least PGR 4 now not having certain racing options. Hell all these examples prove that blu-ray disc is being used. It could probably be said that most exclusives are taking advantage of blu-ray disc, while multiplats are probably not. If 360 fanboys don't mind changing discs, then that's great because in a year or so, they may end up doing that for their own exclusives, not even games like mgs 4. Shaqneel

Actually, RFOM was "fluffed" with "filling" data, the actual size of RFOM was nowhere near 18GB.

/snip***Actually, Resistence: Fall of Man took up 18 gb of space on a blu-ray disc....... Heavenly Sword was using 10gb of space just for the audio and sound on the game. /Snip****. Shaqneel

Resistance: 10 hour game, Heavenly Sword six hour game(and according to ign only three hours of that was actually fun), so no imo blu-ray hasn't proven itself to me. If those games are signs of things to come i feel sorry for ps3 owners who were hyping how much space blu-ray offerers. Call me up when we get 50hour+ games with full CGI cut-scenes on the ps3 then we can talk as of right now its not needed imo.

Stand alone players will go under the PS3's price, that's a fact. There's no denying it. Blu-ray reducing in cost will naturally reduce the PS3's cost though -- the drive is the main thing keeping it above the price of the 360, both on the market and in the manufacturing costs. Blu-ray is the thing that's keeping the PS3 expensive, as Kirby said, so therefore the two's fate is tied directly to each other.

What i'm saying is that when Blu-ray costs go down, the PS3 price will go down and we'll hopefully see better sales from the console. I'm not saying it will be the driving Blu-ray force, and that every player sold will be a PS3 and not a stand-alone player -- oh no, all i'm saying is that greater Blu-ray penetration will probably translate to better PS3 sales, as the manufacturing costs have been reduced.

-Spock-

Blu-Ray is not the only thing keeping the PS3 expensive. However, your assertion that the PS3 will drop in cost is true... but will it drop noticeably faster than the 360? Right now, MS has the upper hand because the console is both cheaper to manufacture and cheaper to purchase, and it's recent price drop was small, so another one wouldn't be too bad. Will the PS3 drop enough to be considered, at first glance, a better option than the 360?

Product pricing isn't done in a vacuum...it is relative to the competition as well.

PS3 is screwed on pricing, plain and simple. It cannot be any other way. Sony chose to sell a higher priced product based upon the features it placed in it. Simply put, Sony chose to include things like Wifi, BD, etc into their gaming system...whether the consumer wants it or not. MS chose to make that stuff optional.

Ipso facto, Sony offers more 'features', but those features cost more to make/assemble. Meaning all else equal, it costs more to manufacture, therfore, the price to the consumer will be higher.

Unless, you launch first...which allows the first mover to reach manufacturing efficiencies/improvements faster. Not the case with the PS3.

Or, unless you subsidize the cost to the consumer. Which is common in gaming consoles. Only for the PS3 there is no way that MS is going to let them ever reach a better price point. MS is sitting pretty because they launched first, have a lead on Sony, and anything Sony does on price MS can instantly match if it chooses.

Simply put, Sony is toast onpricing and will never have a pricing advantage this generation. When you launch last, at the highest price point, with the most overall features....you cost more and there is no way around it. Stupid strategy on Sony's part IMO, but then again, it isn't about games...it is about BD for Sony. Too bad for gamers.

[QUOTE="Stonin"]

Cynical it may be but i'm willing to bet it is closer to the truth than Nintendo having the best console and games right now ;).

KirbyFan10101

The 360 is naturally the cream of the crop.

But the Wii has that intangible sex appeal, much like the iPod, where it sells like nothing else you can never quite figure out why.

As cheap as the Wii is I can buy one and not feel too ashamed of myself. :)

I know, its weird. I'm one of the statistics too, I bought one to complete the set and so I could see for myself what all the hype was about. It is a strange beast. I poked it and prodded it for a while, showed it off to friends, balanced it on the end of my nose and then finally sold it when I couldn't find a game that would hold my attention.