So lets see if I've got this right...

Its milking it for Nintendo to remake Ocarina and bring out sequels to Mario and Mario Kart. Its milking when MS come out with a Halo remake and sequels to Halo, Fable and Forza. But its ok when Sony comes out with remakes of Sly, God of war and Ico only to make sequels and more sequels of Uncharted and Killzone?

I bet your jealous because Halo and Mario are more popular than any of those games ever could be. You keep pulling this "new IPs" card but neither Little Big Planet or Uncharted have the same momentum any of those games do. Then when Nintendo come out with a new IP you still play it anyway. And I bet you'll do the same when MS does it as well.

Who are you talking to?Floppy_Jim

They know who they are :P

Its milking it for Nintendo to remake Ocarina and bring out sequels to Mario and Mario Kart. Its milking when MS come out with a Halo remake and sequels to Halo, Fable and Forza. But its ok when Sony comes out with remakes of Sly, God of war and Ico only to make sequels and more sequels of Uncharted and Killzone?

I bet your jealous because Halo and Mario are more popular than any of those games ever could be. You keep pulling this "new IPs" card but neither Little Big Planet or Uncharted have the same momentum any of those games do. Then when Nintendo come out with a new IP you still play it anyway. And I bet you'll do the same when MS does it as well.

quickposter

Sure the developers are rehashing a few games... mostly third party dev might I add, which means Sony isn't really the ones pulling the strings. While both MS and Nintendo are the only people to blame for the rehashes we see from them.

Combined you can count all of MS and Nintendo's great IP's on 2 hands(unless you go back a couple generations for Nintendo). While Sony really puts a focus on bringing out new games and creating new IPs.F1ame_Shie1d

Thats not how I see it. From what I can see Sony's stragety is to make a new IP and then add it to the sequel pile.

[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]Combined you can count all of MS and Nintendo's great IP's on 2 hands(unless you go back a couple generations for Nintendo). While Sony really puts a focus on bringing out new games and creating new IPs.quickposter

Thats not how I see it. From what I can see Sony's stragety is to make a new IP and then add it to the sequel pile.

It is only wrong to make Sequels it they are not good.

Sony does a good job on Sequels

Nintendo does a good job on Sequels

MS does a good job on Sequels

And guess what? You all want them thats why they sell so well.

And this is a problem becuase?

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[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]Combined you can count all of MS and Nintendo's great IP's on 2 hands(unless you go back a couple generations for Nintendo). While Sony really puts a focus on bringing out new games and creating new IPs.F1ame_Shie1d

Thats not how I see it. From what I can see Sony's stragety is to make a new IP and then add it to the sequel pile.

Demons souls was not created by Sony they helped so as to keep it exclusive from software created Demons souls so nope that new ip cannot be attributed to sony.
Media molecule was an independent developer when infamous was in creationbefore being acquired by SCE so that new ip cannot be atributed to them either.
Infamous is by Sucker punch a privately held game company so that game cannot be atributed to sony either.
Resistance is made by Insomniac a privately held company that game cannot be atributed to sony either.

the only game on your list that can be atributed to Sony is Uncharted since naughty dog was owned by them at the time of the first games creation.
Just face it Sony is as guilty of rehashing and creating sequels as anyone else.
Considering quite a few of the games shown at e3 this year for the ps3 are sequels.

It follows the same line as one cannot atribute Square enix to a load of Eidos games in development and released since the majority were started outside of the merger and some even finished before the merger of the 2 companies.

Also you failed to address the FACT that most of Sonys so called milking is rehashes of third party titles while most, if not all of MS and nintendos rehashes are first party titles.

Third party means it's the developers trying to cash in. First party means it's MS and Nintendo trying to cash in. Not saying that Sony is completely guilt free in this area and MS isn't even that bad but Nintendo rehashes are getting out of control.

Combined you can count all of MS(Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable) and Nintendo's(Mario, Mario Kart, SSB, Zelda) great IP's on 2 hands(unless you go back a couple generations for Nintendo). While Sony(Uncharted, Resistance, Infamous, Little Big Planet, Demons Souls) really puts a focus on bringing out new games and creating new IPs.

F1ame_Shie1d

How do you determine great IP's? Scores? And Gears started this gen.

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Thats not how I see it. From what I can see Sony's stragety is to make a new IP and then add it to the sequel pile.

WilliamRLBaker

Demons souls was not created by Sony they helped so as to keep it exclusive from software created Demons souls so nope that new ip cannot be attributed to sony.
Media molecule was an independent developer when infamous was in creationbefore being acquired by SCE so that new ip cannot be atributed to them either.
Infamous is by Sucker punch a privately held game company so that game cannot be atributed to sony either.
Resistance is made by Insomniac a privately held company that game cannot be atributed to sony either.

the only game on your list that can be atributed to Sony is Uncharted since naughty dog was owned by them at the time of the first games creation.
Just face it Sony is as guilty of rehashing and creating sequels as anyone else.
Considering quite a few of the games shown at e3 this year for the ps3 are sequels.

Edit to respond to your edit:You're seriously going to bring up Sonys E3? Cause MS's was any better? A 6th Halo game and yet another failble. And you want to complain about Sony being on it's third sequel to most of it's IP's.

Gimme a break.

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Thats not how I see it. From what I can see Sony's stragety is to make a new IP and then add it to the sequel pile.

WilliamRLBaker

Demons souls was not created by Sony they helped so as to keep it exclusive from software created Demons souls so nope that new ip cannot be attributed to sony.
Media molecule was an independent developer when infamous was in creationbefore being acquired by SCE so that new ip cannot be atributed to them either.
Infamous is by Sucker punch a privately held game company so that game cannot be atributed to sony either.
Resistance is made by Insomniac a privately held company that game cannot be atributed to sony either.

the only game on your list that can be atributed to Sony is Uncharted since naughty dog was owned by them at the time of the first games creation.

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Combined you can count all of MS(Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable) and Nintendo's(Mario, Mario Kart, SSB, Zelda) great IP's on 2 hands(unless you go back a couple generations for Nintendo). While Sony(Uncharted, Resistance, Infamous, Little Big Planet, Demons Souls) really puts a focus on bringing out new games and creating new IPs.

waltefmoney

How do you determine great IP's? Scores? And Gears started this gen.

My edit proves you wrong.F1ame_Shie1d

Uncharted = sold well, had a sequel. Resistance = sold well, had a sequel. Little big planet = sold well, had a sequel. Demons souls = sold well, had a sequel. I'm not sure about Infamous. But its mostly proof that Sony are only creating sequels to their successful games.

Yeah, I thought of Gears right after I hit the post button but didn't feel like editing again. Everyne has their own definition to what a great game would be. There's still more games I could list for Sony yet too. While the 8 games I listed for Ninty and MS are argueably the only games even mentioned when it comes to their respective consoles.

F1ame_Shie1d

Who cares if they're mentioned or not? There are other great new IP's that scored well that Microsoft And Nintendo published this gen. You can't just ignore them because they don't get mentioned in System wars.

Its milking it for Nintendo to remake Ocarina and bring out sequels to Mario and Mario Kart. Its milking when MS come out with a Halo remake and sequels to Halo, Fable and Forza. But its ok when Sony comes out with remakes of Sly, God of war and Ico only to make sequels and more sequels of Uncharted and Killzone?

I bet your jealous because Halo and Mario are more popular than any of those games ever could be. You keep pulling this "new IPs" card but neither Little Big Planet or Uncharted have the same momentum any of those games do. Then when Nintendo come out with a new IP you still play it anyway. And I bet you'll do the same when MS does it as well.

quickposter

[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]My edit proves you wrong.quickposter

Uncharted = sold well, had a sequel. Resistance = sold well, had a sequel. Little big planet = sold well, had a sequel. Demons souls = sold well, had a sequel. I'm not sure about Infamous. But its mostly proof that Sony are only creating sequels to their successful games.

Edit: Also Killzone 2 was a sequal to a game that was not well recieved at all.

Also you failed to address the FACT that most of Sonys so called milking is rehashes of third party titles while most, if not all of MS and nintendos rehashes are first party titles.F1ame_Shie1d

You accuse it being mostly third parties but Uncharted, Killzone, Little Big Planet, Rachet and Clank and God of War are all owned by Sony.

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Its milking it for Nintendo to remake Ocarina and bring out sequels to Mario and Mario Kart. Its milking when MS come out with a Halo remake and sequels to Halo, Fable and Forza. But its ok when Sony comes out with remakes of Sly, God of war and Ico only to make sequels and more sequels of Uncharted and Killzone?

I bet your jealous because Halo and Mario are more popular than any of those games ever could be. You keep pulling this "new IPs" card but neither Little Big Planet or Uncharted have the same momentum any of those games do. Then when Nintendo come out with a new IP you still play it anyway. And I bet you'll do the same when MS does it as well.

F1ame_Shie1d

Sure the developers are rehashing a few games... mostly third party dev might I add, which means Sony isn't really the ones pulling the strings. While both MS and Nintendo are the only people to blame for the rehashes we see from them.

Gears started this gen bro. But I get what you're saying. I'd argue that only Uncharted & Demon's Souls will go down as classics though. With that said, as far as the rehash argument goes, Halo: CE remake has been asked by plenty, they're just giving the fans what they want. Mario games consistently deliver (personally I'm not really a fan though) & Zelda OoT is just a legendary game.

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Yeah, I thought of Gears right after I hit the post button but didn't feel like editing again. Everyne has their own definition to what a great game would be. There's still more games I could list for Sony yet too. While the 8 games I listed for Ninty and MS are argueably the only games even mentioned when it comes to their respective consoles.

waltefmoney

Who cares if they're mentioned or not? There are other great new IP's that scored well that Microsoft And Nintendo published this gen. You can't just ignore them because they don't get mentioned in System wars.

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Its milking it for Nintendo to remake Ocarina and bring out sequels to Mario and Mario Kart. Its milking when MS come out with a Halo remake and sequels to Halo, Fable and Forza. But its ok when Sony comes out with remakes of Sly, God of war and Ico only to make sequels and more sequels of Uncharted and Killzone?

I bet your jealous because Halo and Mario are more popular than any of those games ever could be. You keep pulling this "new IPs" card but neither Little Big Planet or Uncharted have the same momentum any of those games do. Then when Nintendo come out with a new IP you still play it anyway. And I bet you'll do the same when MS does it as well.

Twin-Blade

Sure the developers are rehashing a few games... mostly third party dev might I add, which means Sony isn't really the ones pulling the strings. While both MS and Nintendo are the only people to blame for the rehashes we see from them.

Gears started this gen bro. But I get what you're saying. I'd argue that only Uncharted & Demon's Souls will go down as classics though. With that said, as far as the rehash argument goes, Halo: CE remake has been asked by plenty, they're just giving the fans what they want. Mario games consistently deliver (personally I'm not really a fan though) & Zelda OoT is just a legendary game.

Zelda OOT is absolutally legendary. The one reason I'm really considering a 3ds. Also Mario 64 3d. I will likely just borrow them from my buddy though. I'm not real big on handhelds.

:lol: Wait, so now we're complaining about a company NOT supporting games that suck? I am honestly at a loss for words. BTW Demons Souls sequel is multiplat.F1ame_Shie1d

The Getaway didn't suck. Jak and Daxter didn't suck.

As for demons souls I didn't know. You learn something new everyday.

Oh yeah and another game I forgot to mention was Motorstorm. On it's fourth game and third sequel.

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Yeah, I thought of Gears right after I hit the post button but didn't feel like editing again. Everyne has their own definition to what a great game would be. There's still more games I could list for Sony yet too. While the 8 games I listed for Ninty and MS are argueably the only games even mentioned when it comes to their respective consoles.

F1ame_Shie1d

Who cares if they're mentioned or not? There are other great new IP's that scored well that Microsoft And Nintendo published this gen. You can't just ignore them because they don't get mentioned in System wars.

Alan Wake, Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise, Deathsmiles, Kameo.

[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]:lol: Wait, so now we're complaining about a company NOT supporting games that suck? I am honestly at a loss for words. BTW Demons Souls sequel is multiplat.quickposter

The Getaway didn't suck. Jak and Daxter didn't suck.

As for demons souls I didn't know. You learn something new everyday.

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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Who cares if they're mentioned or not? There are other great new IP's that scored well that Microsoft And Nintendo published this gen. You can't just ignore them because they don't get mentioned in System wars.

waltefmoney

Alan Wake, Viva Pinata, Deathsmiles, Kameo.

There's only 3 Killzone's, 20+ Marios.

3 Uncharteds , 15+ Zeldas.

3 God of Wars, 15+ Pokemon.

It's not the fact that Sony or Microsoft doesnt milk, it's the fact that Nintendo does it way more.

Didn't AW flop. Viva Pinata and Kameo I'll give you and I've not heard of deathsmiles(XBL arcade game?)

F1ame_Shie1d

Yeah, and so did Uncharted 1, Resistance 1, inFamous 2.. so why'd you list them? And Deathsmiles is a retail game.

[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]:lol: Wait, so now we're complaining about a company NOT supporting games that suck? I am honestly at a loss for words. BTW Demons Souls sequel is multiplat.quickposter

The Getaway didn't suck. Jak and Daxter didn't suck.

As for demons souls I didn't know. You learn something new everyday.

Oh yeah and another game I forgot to mention was Motorstorm. On it's fourth game and third sequel.

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[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]Name those GREAT exclusives.

F1ame_Shie1d

Alan Wake, Viva Pinata, Deathsmiles, Kameo.

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Didn't AW flop. Viva Pinata and Kameo I'll give you and I've not heard of deathsmiles(XBL arcade game?)

waltefmoney

Yeah, and so did Uncharted 1, Resistance 1, inFamous 2.. so why'd you list them?

Also TC was attack Sony, saying that Sony is as bad as MS and Ninty when it came to sequals and rehashes. But that, in fact, is not true.

It would have to be the 2nd Viva Pinata, because the first one is on PC.DragonfireXZ95

Fixed it.

Doesn't stop them from being a great title, just like AW:P I was hoping I would have thrown you for a loop there and you would have dropped it. lol.

F1ame_Shie1d

Didn't work.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]It would have to be the 2nd Viva Pinata, because the first one is on PC.waltefmoney

Fixed it.

Doesn't stop them from being a great title, just like AW:P I was hoping I would have thrown you for a loop there and you would have dropped it. lol.

F1ame_Shie1d

Didn't work.

Most of it isn't milking, its making money, you know, that sole purpose in all 3 of these companies?

The difference between Nintendo, MS and Sony is that only one of them takes risks in trying to pump out something new

The difference between Nintendo, MS and Sony is that only one of them takes risks in trying to pump out something new

Zaibach

That's not true.

The difference between Nintendo, MS and Sony is that only one of them takes risks in trying to pump out something new

Zaibach

I still stand by my point that Sony has made the most good new IP's this gen but to say that Ninty hasn't done anything is just flat out wrong.

Its milking it for Nintendo to remake Ocarina and bring out sequels to Mario and Mario Kart. Its milking when MS come out with a Halo remake and sequels to Halo, Fable and Forza. But its ok when Sony comes out with remakes of Sly, God of war and Ico only to make sequels and more sequels of Uncharted and Killzone?

I bet your jealous because Halo and Mario are more popular than any of those games ever could be. You keep pulling this "new IPs" card but neither Little Big Planet or Uncharted have the same momentum any of those games do. Then when Nintendo come out with a new IP you still play it anyway. And I bet you'll do the same when MS does it as well.

quickposter

Except sony has a good % of IP's that are new. Nintendo has 0 and Microsoft has some... on kinect.

Starhawk, Infamous, Uncharted, Little Big Planet are all very recent IP's. Ico also has no sequels. Every game from Team Ico is a new IP.

Thank god for the new Microsoft ips! Dance Central and Kinect Sports represent!

Combined you can count all of MS(Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable) and Nintendo's(Mario, Mario Kart, SSB, Zelda) great IP's on 2 hands(unless you go back a couple generations for Nintendo). While Sony(Uncharted, Resistance, Infamous, Little Big Planet, Demons Souls) really puts a focus on bringing out new games and creating new IPs. BTW, ALL games I listed for Sony started this gen while all games fort both other platforms started last gen or beyond except Gears. I could create a HUGE list if I were including those games for Sony.

Sure the developers are rehashing a few games... mostly third party dev might I add, which means Sony isn't really the ones pulling the strings. While both MS and Nintendo are the only people to blame for the rehashes we see from them.

F1ame_Shie1d

When I read the TC's post, I thought that surely there's no one in the Sony camp who actually thinks this way. Sadly, it appears I was wrong.

There's only 3 Killzone's, 20+ Marios.

3 Uncharteds , 15+ Zeldas.

3 God of Wars, 15+ Pokemon.

It's not the fact that Sony or Microsoft doesnt milk, it's the fact that Nintendo does it way more.

DCSullyvan

The difference between Nintendo, MS and Sony is that only one of them takes risks in trying to pump out something new

Zaibach

Better not be Sony.... Ratchet and Clank is one of the most milked franchises in gaming! :lol:

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The difference between Nintendo, MS and Sony is that only one of them takes risks in trying to pump out something new

BloodyFalcon007

Better not be Sony.... Ratchet and Clank is one of the most milked franchises in gaming! :lol:

Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo, 4 Halo reach, Halo ODST, Halo Wars. And I'm sure there's some Halo I'm missing still.

And Mario... That would just be exhausting to list All game Mario has ever featured in...

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[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

The difference between Nintendo, MS and Sony is that only one of them takes risks in trying to pump out something new

F1ame_Shie1d

Better not be Sony.... Ratchet and Clank is one of the most milked franchises in gaming! :lol:

Much less time? Halo started in 2001. Ratchet and Clank started in 2002.

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[QUOTE="BloodyFalcon007"]

Better not be Sony.... Ratchet and Clank is one of the most milked franchises in gaming! :lol:

waltefmoney

Much less time? Halo started in 2001. Ratchet and Clank started in 2002.

See what happens when you stay awake all night? lol, it's bed time I was thinking Halo was 2004 for whatever reason:P anyways I fixed it. thanks.

F1ame_Shie1d

Oh, no prob.

Its milking it for Nintendo to remake Ocarina and bring out sequels to Mario and Mario Kart. Its milking when MS come out with a Halo remake and sequels to Halo, Fable and Forza. But its ok when Sony comes out with remakes of Sly, God of war and Ico only to make sequels and more sequels of Uncharted and Killzone?

I bet your jealous because Halo and Mario are more popular than any of those games ever could be. You keep pulling this "new IPs" card but neither Little Big Planet or Uncharted have the same momentum any of those games do. Then when Nintendo come out with a new IP you still play it anyway. And I bet you'll do the same when MS does it as well.

quickposter

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

The difference between Nintendo, MS and Sony is that only one of them takes risks in trying to pump out something new

BloodyFalcon007

Better not be Sony.... Ratchet and Clank is one of the most milked franchises in gaming! :lol:

[QUOTE="BloodyFalcon007"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

The difference between Nintendo, MS and Sony is that only one of them takes risks in trying to pump out something new

F1ame_Shie1d

Better not be Sony.... Ratchet and Clank is one of the most milked franchises in gaming! :lol:

Doesnt stop people bringing up Halo Wars when discussing "teh milkage". And how does Halo have 7 games.

Halo

Halo 2

Halo 3

Halo Wars

Halo Reach

With 2 on the way but one of them not for atleast another year and a half (Halo 4).

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[QUOTE="BloodyFalcon007"]

Better not be Sony.... Ratchet and Clank is one of the most milked franchises in gaming! :lol:

Snugenz

Doesnt stop people bringing up Halo Wars when discussing "teh milkage". And how does Halo have 7 games.

Halo

Halo 2

Halo 3

Halo Wars

Halo Reach

With 2 on the way but one of them not for atleast another year and a half (Halo 4).

+odst

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[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"] You're bringing Spin off's

SkaRy_RuLeZ

Doesnt stop people bringing up Halo Wars when discussing "teh milkage". And how does Halo have 7 games.

Halo

Halo 2

Halo 3

Halo Wars

Halo Reach

With 2 on the way but one of them not for atleast another year and a half (Halo 4).

+odst

Ah yeah ... :|

Better not be Sony.... Ratchet and Clank is one of the most milked franchises in gaming! :lol:

BloodyFalcon007

LMAO is there really that many? I had no idea 0_0