So Many Halo Games!

So, now that halo essentially has 4 games this generation that we know of so far, it raises a question: What is being milked?

Unlike Mario, there's no halo kart, etc. but everything seems to be halo like.

So I have to ask something: What's wrong with developing a universe? Halo has a very rich one. There is so much crap going on. Tons and tons. This story is larger than MGS and rpgs. However, the actual story presented to the player is more so just from a perspective. And for the most part, it raises tons of questions and really begs details to be answered, which is exactly why I said Halo would continue.

So here's the list of Halo games this generation for those of you who don't know

Halo 3 (september 25th, 2007)--------------------------------Bungie

Halo: Keep it Clean (january 6th, 2009 or june 1, 2009 )----Bungie

Halo Wars (tba 2009)-------------------------------------------Ensemble

Halo Chronicles (tba)--------------------------------------------Wingnut (peter jackson, ryan payton)

And of course there's going to be a inevitale direct sequel to halo 4 (meaning the same gameplay style and as MC), but that's irrelevant to this discussion.

I don't think anyone will question the new Halo game coming out. I think everyone understands that game is doing it how it should be done. Yes, it is technically a spin off, but seeing as how its been in development since halo 3 started, I think we'll all agree that this is a proper full fledged title. The game takes place during parts of halo 2 and 3 and we assume that you're a ODST.

And now Halo Wars- this is a prequel that uses Bungie's fiction (meaning the story is referenced from them). Halo was originally suppose to be a rts afterall, so wouldn't this sort of be a neat idea? In my opinion it is. Almost, although not really, going back to its roots. And it's made by a good dev. C&C3 proved that rtss work on the 360, and that was a pc port. A game built for the ground of for the 360 would most likely work.

And finally Halo Chronicles, otherwise known as the game that we've known about for a bit of time despite it not being officially announced. It is by Wingnut. Yes, it's a new studio, but it's most definately not a cash in- why would they get people like peter jackson, ryan peyton, and those gearbox guys if it were so? I'd imagine that this is the prequel to Halo 1 explaining the MC's past. Afterall, it is suppose to be a more cinematic type game, so it'd be more appropriate of a game to show how he came to be.

So, where do you think we can draw the line between just making spin offs and making spin offs and sequels that a lot of effort are actually put in?

How about where you start establishing a universe? The X-Men series has tons of stuff in it, but introducing a new series wasn't milkage. It was fleshing out the world. Because seriously, I know there's people out there like me who really like this series and universe as a whole and don't really want it to be stuck at 3. Yea, NG can go away, its replacable, same with stuff like Ghost Recon, but Halo is just a good place as a whole and really begs to be like star wars (although not quite like that) with many more stories.

Halo Chronicles is in complete limbo, just so you know. It's stuck.

Anyways, Halo has a lot of fans, why not put more out there. It's M$ NUMBER ONE bankable IP, it only makes sense. Without Halo, many critics have speculated, there would have been No Xbox.

Let those fans get more of what they want.

Total halo games so far

Halo 1

Halo 2

Halo 3

Halo Wars

Halo 3 expansion ...

Total MGS games ...I won't even bother .

Total Final FAntasy games ...probably over 20.

Total mario games ...you get the idea.

Total halo games so far

Halo 1

Halo 2

Halo 3

Halo Wars

Halo 3 expansion ...

Total MGS games ...I won't even bother .

Total Final FAntasy games ...probably over 20.

Total mario games ...you get the idea.

AtrumRegina

Read the OP T_T

Total halo games so far

Halo 1

Halo 2

Halo 3

Halo Wars

Halo 3 expansion ...

Total MGS games ...I won't even bother .

Total Final FAntasy games ...probably over 20.

Total mario games ...you get the idea.

AtrumRegina

You know that HALO is far newer than what you are comparing it too, right?

It's not like any of those other games were created just one generation ago, for all we know, Halo will have just as many games as those titles, given the same time frame.

I don't know what your point is comparing a new series to old ones, but Halo has a lot fans and they will want more. Halo sells extremely well, so M$ will give them more. It's a good symbiotic relationship.Everyone gets what they want.

Halo Chronicles is in complete limbo, just so you know. It's stuck.

Anyways, Halo has a lot of fans, why not put more out there. It's M$ NUMBER ONE bankable IP, it only makes sense. Without Halo, many critics have speculated, there would have been No Xbox.

Let those fans get more of what they want.

SolidTy

I wish rare thought like this.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Halo Chronicles is in complete limbo, just so you know. It's stuck.

Anyways, Halo has a lot of fans, why not put more out there. It's M$ NUMBER ONE bankable IP, it only makes sense. Without Halo, many critics have speculated, there would have been No Xbox.

Let those fans get more of what they want.

Espada12

I wish rare thought like this.

RARE's arguement though, is that is a mistake. Their point is why just make an IP for the sake of sales, when the idea's aren't there.

They would rather explore what ideas they have, regardless of IP. It's a different standard, but that's there reasoning.

Still, it would be pretty awesome to have them do it, but if the gameplay was just okay, they I guess It would be our fault for pressing them in a way they didn't want to go.M$ onws them though, and as you can see, their philosphy is different, perhaps RARE will sing a different tune, later.

[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Halo Chronicles is in complete limbo, just so you know. It's stuck.

Anyways, Halo has a lot of fans, why not put more out there. It's M$ NUMBER ONE bankable IP, it only makes sense. Without Halo, many critics have speculated, there would have been No Xbox.

Let those fans get more of what they want.

SolidTy

I wish rare thought like this.

RARE's arguement though, is that is a mistake. Their point is why just make an IP for the sake of sales, when the idea's aren't there.

They would rather explore what ideas they have, regardless of IP. It's a different standard, but that's there reasoning.

Still, it would be pretty awesome to have them do it, but if the gameplay was just okay, they I guess It would be our fault for pressing them in a way they didn't want to go.M$ onws them though, and as you can see, their philosphy is different, perhaps RARE will sing a different tune, later.

Yea I see, but I'd kill for a new killer instinct, but the whole Oh we aren't gonna do it because we can't use a gimmick to make it seem we are pushing the genre foward is seriously a slap in the face to fans! It's like the whole fallout fiasco.

[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Halo Chronicles is in complete limbo, just so you know. It's stuck.

Anyways, Halo has a lot of fans, why not put more out there. It's M$ NUMBER ONE bankable IP, it only makes sense. Without Halo, many critics have speculated, there would have been No Xbox.

Let those fans get more of what they want.

SolidTy

I wish rare thought like this.

RARE's arguement though, is that is a mistake. Their point is why just make an IP for the sake of sales, when the idea's aren't there.

They would rather explore what ideas they have, regardless of IP. It's a different standard, but that's there reasoning.

Still, it would be pretty awesome to have them do it, but if the gameplay was just okay, they I guess It would be our fault for pressing them in a way they didn't want to go.M$ onws them though, and as you can see, their philosphy is different, perhaps RARE will sing a different tune, later.

Rare's idea is what we want every game company to be as gamers- they said that they don't want to make a new game if they don't have any ideas of how they can make it, well essentially, rise above the rest.

they made pdz for the sake of making it and people hated them for that

Because they aren't part of the main series, many people will argue that they are still spin-offs. But that doesn't detriment the value of the game.

While I probably will skip Halo Wars because it is an RTS, I am all for the new ODST game unless it has some weird, quirky controls or something... I will probably get swept into the hype and by Halo Wars anyways though. :P

Because they aren't part of the main series, many people will argue that they are still spin-offs. But that doesn't detriment the value of the game.

While I probably will skip Halo Wars because it is an RTS, I am all for the new ODST game unless it has some weird, quirky controls or something... I will probably get swept into the hype and by Halo Wars anyways though. :P

Zassimick

that's actually how im sitting. I probably wont get Halo Wars full price soley because its a rts (i just dont like them that much by comparison although i do still like them) and get it when it gets cheaper. The ODST halo game will obviously be a day 1 buy. Bungie has proven that they know how to make games.

---->But they are spin offs, no doubt in my mind. That being said, a spin off doesn't have to be negative. King of the Hill is a spin off of Beavis and Butthead and King of the Hill > B&B. But that being said, it's not like they're doing what they did with final fantasy and making a game about grunts and their family life

Rare's idea is what we want every game company to be as gamers- they said that they don't want to make a new game if they don't have any ideas of how they can make it, well essentially, rise above the rest.

they made pdz for the sake of making it and people hated them for that

SmartGuy2211

Yea and alot of people are loving them for what they are doing to banjo.....They said they don't want to make sequel unless it's innovative, which sucks in my opinion. I mean for crying out loud innovation isn't need to make a game rise above the rest...

[QUOTE="SmartGuy2211"]

Rare's idea is what we want every game company to be as gamers- they said that they don't want to make a new game if they don't have any ideas of how they can make it, well essentially, rise above the rest.

they made pdz for the sake of making it and people hated them for that

Espada12

Yea and alot of people are loving them for what they are doing to banjo.....They said they don't want to make sequel unless it's innovative, which sucks in my opinion. I mean for crying out loud innovation isn't need to make a game rise above the rest...

i dont believe they phrased it like that.
I think they said something that basically said they only wanted to make games if they had a reason more than just making the same game with better graphics

Cause let's face it, fighting games arent as fun as they use to be. And you know, rare's true fanbase centers around banjo, dkc, battletoads, conker, etc. not goldeneye, perfect dark, killer instinct, etc.

i dont believe they phrased it like that.
I think they said something that basically said they only wanted to make games if they had a reason more than just making the same game with better graphics

Cause let's face it, fighting games arent as fun as they use to be. And you know, rare's true fanbase centers around banjo, dkc, battletoads, conker, etc. not goldeneye, perfect dark, killer instinct, etc.

SmartGuy2211

Why you say that man? I love rare because of DK, KI,PD and Golden eye.. not for conker and banjo..and they did phrase it like that, let me pull the part of the article here.

"We've been asked that question quite a lot - and even more recently," he explained. "I guess our position...that's a difficult one. We've always been seen as a bit, I don't know, willing to take a chance on doing something different and trying to come up with new experience. Or, if it's a game in an established genre, what we can do to add to that genre, rather than just tag it on and we can do a game in that genre." Quote: As for a "Killer Instinct" sequel...

"To me, if you're just doing a game because of IP, that's not the right thing to do," he said. "If someone came up with some revolutionary idea for a new fighting game, yeah, we might think of resurrecting 'Killer Instinct.' But what we're not gonna do is just say 'okay, there's this kind of vocal, fairly small vocal minority of real die-hard fans out there that want to see KI, so therefore, we should be doing KI.' That's not how we'd approach it."

So unless they innovate somehow they aren't doing it. WTF you don't need innovation to make great games.

[QUOTE="SmartGuy2211"]

i dont believe they phrased it like that.
I think they said something that basically said they only wanted to make games if they had a reason more than just making the same game with better graphics

Cause let's face it, fighting games arent as fun as they use to be. And you know, rare's true fanbase centers around banjo, dkc, battletoads, conker, etc. not goldeneye, perfect dark, killer instinct, etc.

Espada12

Why you say that man? I love rare because of DK, KI,PD and Golden eye.. not for conker and banjo..

(most)

As long as the series isn't milked and doesn't decline in quality, then I'll remain a happy Halo fan.

The expansion pack, we have yet to learn anything about. Even calling it an expansion pack is pure speculation. And last time I checked, expansion packs aren't considering new games.

Halo Wars looks like it will deliver a solid console-based RTS, especially with Ensemble Studios developing it. Its a day 1 purchase for me.

Peter Jackson's project sounds interesting, but we know nothing about it so it doesn't even deserve speculation at this point. It could even be on hiatus, who knows.

Spin-offs are cool.

Spin-offs are cool.

MerisYaki

Sometimes. Chocobo Tales is err....