So MW2 is the most hated game on SW ?

[QUOTE="ahmedkandil"]You guys still have not explained why MW2 is so bad. IMO it's just like CoD4 wich wasn't exactly a crap game to begin with...dont-read-this

[QUOTE="dont-read-this"][QUOTE="ahmedkandil"]You guys still have not explained why MW2 is so bad. IMO it's just like CoD4 wich wasn't exactly a crap game to begin with...WilliamRLBaker

1.p2p is a none existant moniker, there is no such thing as p2p unless its player 2 player I.E 1vs1. It instead what is called client server the user is the host, and the client I.E playing the game and hosting it for others, There are such things as dedicated servers by users where the user does not play only serves the game...ect

2.If your having 100ms ping times average on a client server model then your ping times aren't that much better on dedicated, dedicated is not some magical device that insures 0 lag...ect If a dedicated server is located far from you, or has faulty hops between you and it your ping can be bad, suffice to say on mw2 360 i've not had over a 40ms ping time average the majority of my games have been 4 bars.

3.Console commands? too cheat more often, console command to enable the trainer your using, Otherwise should not be part of the list since there are no user dedicated server therefor a command console is not needed therefor is not a con, if there was dedicated server support and they took out console commands then it would be a con since one can control ones servers at times faster that way....

4.lean is the one of the only valid points, lean should have been kept in the 360 and ps3 version as well.

5.custom maps is one of the other few and far between valid points.

6.number of players is another valid point.

7.competitive mods another valid point.

8.mod tools as well. valid point.

9.record function? when the majority of the pc gaming world uses fraps? a outside program? no one really ever used the ingame record function on cod 4 and in some past versions it didn't even work, yet why is it a con now? when most of them will use fraps or another recording option that has even better configuration possiblities? totally bunk and not a con.

10.kick ban...so much fud, let alone that most users dont have the abbility to get past VAC, the fact that admin control of these servers more often then not created power hungry admins...Oh shoot my friends? ban! better then me at the game! kick ban!

12. a arguable point, I have no problem auto joining matches we have videos of people saying its quicker to pick a server, but i've had easy and fast enough times to join a match automatically through match making so its another fud point on speed, but a server list would have been good. so its an arguable point.

13. clan hosted isp hosted servers a fud point since it was put up there to fluff the problems it should be part of the none dedicated server points since of course if there aren't dedicated servers or user made then there wont be isp or clan hosted servers, it was included in the list as fluff to seem like there are more problems.

14.bad language filter lol another fud point like they care about language this is COD players are we talking about, most if not all of the good ones will be using oscar wilko to voice chat any ways or another program and that can't be filtered.

15.zero ping advantage for the host, but not for close low ping users, yet again another fud point where people seem to think dedicated server=lan when it doesn't and never has. If i am physically close by distance or hops to a dedicated server with the best ping then i get an advantage its allways worked this way, any time some one else has a higher ping then me then i have the advantage.

16.lan play they have yes in both catagories but which one gets the red con labeling? the mw2 entry...even though it has LAN Play...its still a con...total fud.

17. a demo would have been good but its still arguable since most pc gamers that complained the mostt bought it any ways it seems, lol hell most it seems bought it on 360 for that matter.

18.price? so much fud, yet again its a sign of pc gamers expecting every thing to be free, a company needs money and 50 dollars a game is just not cutting it any more in todays gaming arena.

19. price in australia at 50 dollars american? 80...lol so they are mad cause its 10 australia dollars or monies more....

20.DLC yes is not free...but patches? total lie, patches are free and all ways have been no company is stupid enough to not release a needful patch for cost...there have been how many patches to the pc version all ready? and they were all free.

21.DLC? again? its another fluff point put up to make there seem to be more problems it was all ready touched upon in point 20 why put it again? because its a fluff point.

22.Fud, Id certainly want the latest patch to play on my online games, patches increase stablitity and remove problems from a game, the only reason not to want this is to be able to cheat, or use that imbalanced weapon that kills people half way across the map without trying.

as i said some out right lies and mostly fud that list was, with fluff points to make it seem much a bigger problem then it is.

Yeah pretty much. I see GT5 hate a lot nowadays but naa the games not out yet anyways.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="dont-read-this"] .MyopicCanadian

1.p2p is a none existant moniker, there is no such thing as p2p unless its player 2 player I.E 1vs1. It instead what is called client server the user is the host, and the client I.E playing the game and hosting it for others, There are such things as dedicated servers by users where the user does not play only serves the game...ect

2.If your having 100ms ping times average on a client server model then your ping times aren't that much better on dedicated, dedicated is not some magical device that insures 0 lag...ect If a dedicated server is located far from you, or has faulty hops between you and it your ping can be bad, suffice to say on mw2 360 i've not had over a 40ms ping time average the majority of my games have been 4 bars.

With dedicated server, you can play on ones that are close too you, thus eliminating high ping

3.Console commands? too cheat more often, console command to enable the trainer your using, Otherwise should not be part of the list since there are no user dedicated server therefor a command console is not needed therefor is not a con, if there was dedicated server support and they took out console commands then it would be a con since one can control ones servers at times faster that way....

You can't cheat with console commands as long as sv_cheats is set to 0. Also this complaint is in conjunction with the lack of dedicated servers, so your argument holds no weight

4.lean is the one of the only valid points, lean should have been kept in the 360 and ps3 version as well.

agreed

5.custom maps is one of the other few and far between valid points.

custom maps should be allowed

6.number of players is another valid point.

agreed

7.competitive mods another valid point.

agreed

8.mod tools as well. valid point.

wait, you said there were few and far between valid points....but so far everything has been a valid point?

9.record function? when the majority of the pc gaming world uses fraps? a outside program? no one really ever used the ingame record function on cod 4 and in some past versions it didn't even work, yet why is it a con now? when most of them will use fraps or another recording option that has even better configuration possiblities? totally bunk and not a con.

most people don't use fraps/xfire if there is an ingame option

10.kick ban...so much fud, let alone that most users dont have the abbility to get past VAC, the fact that admin control of these servers more often then not created power hungry admins...Oh shoot my friends? ban! better then me at the game! kick ban!

again this complaint is in conjunction with the lack of dedicated servers. so you can find one that doesn't have abusive admins.

12. a arguable point, I have no problem auto joining matches we have videos of people saying its quicker to pick a server, but i've had easy and fast enough times to join a match automatically through match making so its another fud point on speed, but a server list would have been good. so its an arguable point.

13. clan hosted isp hosted servers a fud point since it was put up there to fluff the problems it should be part of the none dedicated server points since of course if there aren't dedicated servers or user made then there wont be isp or clan hosted servers, it was included in the list as fluff to seem like there are more problems.
yes, nearly all the arguments could be fixed with dedicated servers....
14.bad language filter lol another fud point like they care about language this is COD players are we talking about, most if not all of the good ones will be using oscar wilko to voice chat any ways or another program and that can't be filtered.

15.zero ping advantage for the host, but not for close low ping users, yet again another fud point where people seem to think dedicated server=lan when it doesn't and never has. If i am physically close by distance or hops to a dedicated server with the best ping then i get an advantage its allways worked this way, any time some one else has a higher ping then me then i have the advantage.

again, you can search for dedicated servers that are close to you.

16.lan play they have yes in both catagories but which one gets the red con labeling? the mw2 entry...even though it has LAN Play...its still a con...total fud.

im pretty sure the pc version doesn't support lan

17. a demo would have been good but its still arguable since most pc gamers that complained the mostt bought it any ways it seems, lol hell most it seems bought it on 360 for that matter.

18.price? so much fud, yet again its a sign of pc gamers expecting every thing to be free, a company needs money and 50 dollars a game is just not cutting it any more in todays gaming arena.

pc games are $10 cheaper because the devs don't have to pay a royalty fee. any dev that charges the same price for a pc game as a console game is just greedy.

19. price in australia at 50 dollars american? 80...lol so they are mad cause its 10 australia dollars or monies more....

i would be mad if i had to more for the same product

20.DLC yes is not free...but patches? total lie, patches are free and all ways have been no company is stupid enough to not release a needful patch for cost...there have been how many patches to the pc version all ready? and they were all free.

21.DLC? again? its another fluff point put up to make there seem to be more problems it was all ready touched upon in point 20 why put it again? because its a fluff point.

22.Fud, Id certainly want the latest patch to play on my online games, patches increase stablitity and remove problems from a game, the only reason not to want this is to be able to cheat, or use that imbalanced weapon that kills people half way across the map without trying.

as i said some out right lies and mostly fud that list was, with fluff points to make it seem much a bigger problem then it is.

WilliamRLBaker

i agree with some of your points, but you are completely wrong in others....my opinion in blue.

[QUOTE="ahmedkandil"]You guys still have not explained why MW2 is so bad. IMO it's just like CoD4 wich wasn't exactly a crap game to begin with...dont-read-this

So...only the PC version of MW2 sucks? From what I understand the only people hating on MW2 are those who got it on PC?

EDIT: perhaps I should rephrase that, what are the problems with the actual gameplay mechanics that make the game so bad?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

1.p2p is a none existant moniker, there is no such thing as p2p unless its player 2 player I.E 1vs1. It instead what is called client server the user is the host, and the client I.E playing the game and hosting it for others, There are such things as dedicated servers by users where the user does not play only serves the game...ect

2.If your having 100ms ping times average on a client server model then your ping times aren't that much better on dedicated, dedicated is not some magical device that insures 0 lag...ect If a dedicated server is located far from you, or has faulty hops between you and it your ping can be bad, suffice to say on mw2 360 i've not had over a 40ms ping time average the majority of my games have been 4 bars.

With dedicated server, you can play on ones that are close too you, thus eliminating high ping
One can do the same on client server models play againest people close to them if the matchmaking does it by location.

3.Console commands? too cheat more often, console command to enable the trainer your using, Otherwise should not be part of the list since there are no user dedicated server therefor a command console is not needed therefor is not a con, if there was dedicated server support and they took out console commands then it would be a con since one can control ones servers at times faster that way....

You can't cheat with console commands as long as sv_cheats is set to 0. Also this complaint is in conjunction with the lack of dedicated servers, so your argument holds no weight
One can cheat with console commands if the trainer being used or the program monitors the command console for such commands. if it was a argument to do with dedicated servers then it should have been included in the dedicated server section, and i have no arguments only facts which what im saying are facts.

4.lean is the one of the only valid points, lean should have been kept in the 360 and ps3 version as well.

agreed

5.custom maps is one of the other few and far between valid points.

custom maps should be allowed

6.number of players is another valid point.

agreed

7.competitive mods another valid point.

agreed

8.mod tools as well. valid point.

wait, you said there were few and far between valid points....but so far everything has been a valid point?
sure shot your self there few and far between is a saying, it means not many. the location of these does not detract from the saying.

9.record function? when the majority of the pc gaming world uses fraps? a outside program? no one really ever used the ingame record function on cod 4 and in some past versions it didn't even work, yet why is it a con now? when most of them will use fraps or another recording option that has even better configuration possiblities? totally bunk and not a con.

most people don't use fraps/xfire if there is an ingame option
keep telling your self that, the majority of well to do computer gamers use xfire or fraps to record ingame footage, they dont use ingame recorders built by the developer not with fraps, and xfire offer options far exceeding what the developer offers.

10.kick ban...so much fud, let alone that most users dont have the abbility to get past VAC, the fact that admin control of these servers more often then not created power hungry admins...Oh shoot my friends? ban! better then me at the game! kick ban!

again this complaint is in conjunction with the lack of dedicated servers. so you can find one that doesn't have abusive admins.
you keep saying stuff that means nothing, this is not in conjuection with dedicated servers its simply a urge to have kick ban, which in reality is far less worthwhile then punkbuster or VAC, and kickban allows for currupt admins, VAC, punkbuster do not.

12. a arguable point, I have no problem auto joining matches we have videos of people saying its quicker to pick a server, but i've had easy and fast enough times to join a match automatically through match making so its another fud point on speed, but a server list would have been good. so its an arguable point.

13. clan hosted isp hosted servers a fud point since it was put up there to fluff the problems it should be part of the none dedicated server points since of course if there aren't dedicated servers or user made then there wont be isp or clan hosted servers, it was included in the list as fluff to seem like there are more problems.
yes, nearly all the arguments could be fixed with dedicated servers....
and your trying to be witty here but your not, its a fluff argument that was posted to make the problems seem larger then they are.

14.bad language filter lol another fud point like they care about language this is COD players are we talking about, most if not all of the good ones will be using oscar wilko to voice chat any ways or another program and that can't be filtered.

15.zero ping advantage for the host, but not for close low ping users, yet again another fud point where people seem to think dedicated server=lan when it doesn't and never has. If i am physically close by distance or hops to a dedicated server with the best ping then i get an advantage its allways worked this way, any time some one else has a higher ping then me then i have the advantage.

again, you can search for dedicated servers that are close to you.
again match making can be setup to allow for locaton based matchmaking client server models are not instantly lag filled because they are client server, and dedicated servers do not equal instant low ping times.

16.lan play they have yes in both catagories but which one gets the red con labeling? the mw2 entry...even though it has LAN Play...its still a con...total fud.

im pretty sure the pc version doesn't support lan
if this is the case then the creator of the list messed up, not I, i simply saw what i saw and that both versions have a yes, but the mw2 pc version is in red indictating it is a con.

17. a demo would have been good but its still arguable since most pc gamers that complained the mostt bought it any ways it seems, lol hell most it seems bought it on 360 for that matter.

18.price? so much fud, yet again its a sign of pc gamers expecting every thing to be free, a company needs money and 50 dollars a game is just not cutting it any more in todays gaming arena.

pc games are $10 cheaper because the devs don't have to pay a royalty fee. any dev that charges the same price for a pc game as a console game is just greedy.
lol keep telling your self that, next your going to tell me video game development doesn't cost money, and doesn't increase in price with the times. that new more powerful systems dont require an increase in price for development.

19. price in australia at 50 dollars american? 80...lol so they are mad cause its 10 australia dollars or monies more....

i would be mad if i had to more for the same product
lol someone obviously doesn't understand exchange rates, even if it was 50 dollars here it would still be 80 in AUS.

20.DLC yes is not free...but patches? total lie, patches are free and all ways have been no company is stupid enough to not release a needful patch for cost...there have been how many patches to the pc version all ready? and they were all free.

21.DLC? again? its another fluff point put up to make there seem to be more problems it was all ready touched upon in point 20 why put it again? because its a fluff point.

22.Fud, Id certainly want the latest patch to play on my online games, patches increase stablitity and remove problems from a game, the only reason not to want this is to be able to cheat, or use that imbalanced weapon that kills people half way across the map without trying.

as i said some out right lies and mostly fud that list was, with fluff points to make it seem much a bigger problem then it is.

lazzordude

i agree with some of your points, but you are completely wrong in others....my opinion in blue.
your opinion in blue, where as my facts are still concrete.

CoD isnt the only game where each game is very similar. Its just that MW2 is so popular, just like the Wii that 'elitists' hate. And to be honest, I like MW2 a lot more than Counter Strike.

suntaice

I think its because MW2 is so popular that everyone places super high standards on the game. If it fails to meet those standards the game is considered a fail. Personally the game is good, with a few flaws in the singleplayer.

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] lol such a crappy list. so much fud and outright lies.lazzordude

I thought it was GTA4...