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#1 rybe1025
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So now that GT:5 is not considered a simulator anymore since it is not a true driving experience compared to other games. What do you think is the best arcade racer? I myself think Burnout is the best arcade racer but I have to admit GT would be high up on the list of arcade racers.
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GT5 prologue is not representative of the final game.
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#3 SolidSnake35
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GT5 appears to be more realistic than any other game. Have Polyphony actually stated that it's no longer a sim?
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GT5 appears to be more realistic than any other game. Have Polyphony actually stated that it's no longer a sim?SolidSnake35
Well any racer that does not have damage in modern gaming can not possibly be considered a simulator. Also games like Forza are far better when it comes to the true driving experience.
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GT5 prologue is not representative of the final game.sneekite
So PS3 users are paying $40 and it is not that same as the game. Sounds kinda like a rip off to me.
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#6 Riverwolf007
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Why argue about GT5? Once everyone else went to online racing the GT franchise is like a dinosaur. Sure they say GT 5 will have online but I seem to remember 2 other online GT projects that were promised but never saw the light of day, the GT4 online expansion disc and GT mobile for PSP.
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]GT5 appears to be more realistic than any other game. Have Polyphony actually stated that it's no longer a sim?rybe1025
Well any racer that does not have damage in modern gaming can not possibly be considered a SIMulator. Also games like Forza are far better when it comes to the true driving experience.

The damage in Forza was a waste of time. It only came into the game if you closed your eyes whilst driving, and even then you'd only notice slight damage after a head on smash.
[QUOTE="sneekite"]GT5 prologue is not representative of the final game.rybe1025
So PS3 users are paying $40 and it is not that same as the game. Sounds kinda like a rip off to me.

It proves how popular GT is though. ;)
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Yet anotherSony fanboywho has never played Forza but acts as if they have. Give it up. At least try to come up with valid criticisms.
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[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]GT5 appears to be more realistic than any other game. Have Polyphony actually stated that it's no longer a sim?SolidSnake35
Well any racer that does not have damage in modern gaming can not possibly be considered a SIMulator. Also games like Forza are far better when it comes to the true driving experience.

The damage in Forza was a waste of time. It only came into the game if you closed your eyes whilst driving, and even then you'd only notice slight damage after a head on smash.
[QUOTE="sneekite"]GT5 prologue is not representative of the final game.rybe1025
So PS3 users are paying $40 and it is not that same as the game. Sounds kinda like a rip off to me.

It proves how popular GT is though. ;)

Proves how much PS3 users are getting milked ;)
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[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]GT5 appears to be more realistic than any other game. Have Polyphony actually stated that it's no longer a sim?SolidSnake35
Well any racer that does not have damage in modern gaming can not possibly be considered a SIMulator. Also games like Forza are far better when it comes to the true driving experience.

The damage in Forza was a waste of time. It only came into the game if you closed your eyes whilst driving, and even then you'd only notice slight damage after a head on smash.
[QUOTE="sneekite"]GT5 prologue is not representative of the final game.rybe1025
So PS3 users are paying $40 and it is not that same as the game. Sounds kinda like a rip off to me.

It proves how popular GT is though. ;)

You do know there is more then one setting for damage in Forza 2 right? You should check it out because it is pretty obvious you have not tried Forza 2) Also how are you going to insult Forza's damage when GT does not have anything at all. I mean really what the heck is the game even supposed to be simulating, what it is like to drive in a cartoon?
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just because you and other lemming say it isent a sim anymore dosent make it an arcade game. it is a sim until the dev change it to an arcade.

quit being fanboys

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Something tells me this particular fanboy is trying to imply that Gran Turismo is an arcade racer. :roll:
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just because you and other lemming say it isent a sim anymore dosent make it an arcade game. it is a sim until the dev change it to an arcade.

quit being fanboys

mr_w25
Does not matter what the developers say really. What if the developer of Tetris called his game a first person shooter would it mean it is one?
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[QUOTE="sneekite"]GT5 prologue is not representative of the final game.rybe1025
So PS3 users are paying $40 and it is not that same as the game. Sounds kinda like a rip off to me.

can forza2 outsell GT5? Now that is the real question
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The damage in Forza was a waste of time. It only came into the game if you closed your eyes whilst driving, and even then you'd only notice slight damage after a head on smash.SolidSnake35

Have you actually played the game you're talking about here? :?

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[QUOTE="sneekite"]GT5 prologue is not representative of the final game.rybe1025
So PS3 users are paying $40 and it is not that same as the game. Sounds kinda like a rip off to me.

GT5: P costs 40 simoleons? no wonder we call em cows
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[QUOTE="mr_w25"]

just because you and other lemming say it isent a sim anymore dosent make it an arcade game. it is a sim until the dev change it to an arcade.

quit being fanboys

rybe1025

Does not matter what the developers say really. What if the developer of Tetris called his game a first person shooter would it mean it is one?

i didnt say what they call, i said if they change it meaing the way the game is played.

your opinion of a game dosent change the game itself

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Forza 3 is considered an arcade racer too, why? because I said so.
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[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="sneekite"]GT5 prologue is not representative of the final game.ermacness
So PS3 users are paying $40 and it is not that same as the game. Sounds kinda like a rip off to me.

can forza2 outsell GT5? Now that is the real question

no...gran turismo is one of the larget selling franchises ever

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You do know there is more then one setting for damage in Forza 2 right? You should check it out because it is pretty obvious you have not tried Forza 2) Also how are you going to insult Forza's damage when GT does not have anything at all. I mean really what the heck is the game even supposed to be simulating, what it is like to drive in a cartoon?rybe1025
I have Forza 2 and it doesn't even compare well with Gran Turismo 4. The damage is useless if you plan on driving properly. If you want to see your car destroyed however, you can't. I can insult Forza's damage because you claim that it's the reason for why Forza is better than Gran Turismo. Well, if it's such a great feature, why is it so limited? GT doesn't bother with it so there's nothing to complain about.
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[QUOTE="sneekite"]GT5 prologue is not representative of the final game.rybe1025
So PS3 users are paying $40 and it is not that same as the game. Sounds kinda like a rip off to me.

Over 115,000 people bought the game in the first week on sale in Japan, and that's excluding the PSN downloads and last weeks Media Crate sales. So there is obviously a market for it if people are buying it. I wonder what will happen once it's been released worldwide and is available on western PSN stores.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]The damage in Forza was a waste of time. It only came into the game if you closed your eyes whilst driving, and even then you'd only notice slight damage after a head on smash.Ninja-Vox

Have you actually played the game you're talking about here? :?

I wish I hadn't.
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wtf.. thats odd... if gran turismo 5 is an arcade racer but more realistic then forza2.. whats that make forza2? gt5 has damage for cars.. If u say soemthing stupid about gt5 ill go ahead and say this.. gt5 is a simulation since it looks real and feels real.. forza2 doesnt even look real so its not a simulator.. see i can say stupid things too
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This is going to turn into a Forza Vs Bumper Car racer thread :roll:
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wow damage now decides if a game simulates racing or not. I thought the driving part was the sim guess i forgot the main part of racing seriously, is trying to crash.

the tc sounds like a jealous fanboy finding anything to put down a franchise with some of the hardest working perfectionists working on it.

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This is going to turn into a Forza Vs Bumper Car racer thread :roll:Gh0st_Of_0nyx
its called bumper-car-ismo or gran fakeismo, fyi
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wow damage now decides if a game simulates racing or not. I thought the driving part was the sim guess i forgot the main part of racing seriously, is trying to crash.

the tc sounds like a jealous fanboy finding anything to put down a franchise with some of the hardest working perfectionists working on it.

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if polyphony were a bunch of perfectionist they would have given us online in GT4 like they promised instead of some lameass picture thing
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[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="sneekite"]GT5 prologue is not representative of the final game.-Spock-

So PS3 users are paying $40 and it is not that same as the game. Sounds kinda like a rip off to me.

Over 115,000 people bought the game in the first week on sale in Japan, and that's excluding the PSN downloads and last weeks Media Crate sales. So there is obviously a market for it if people are buying it. I wonder what will happen once it's been released worldwide and is available on western PSN stores.

So... gamers pay $40 for a demo and cows complain about Live... :roll:

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[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]This is going to turn into a Forza Vs Bumper Car racer thread :roll:beast667
its called bumper-car-ismo or gran fakeismo, fyi

well people must like fake because gran turismo 3 is one of the top selling game ver

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[QUOTE="-Spock-"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="sneekite"]GT5 prologue is not representative of the final game.OhSnapitz

So PS3 users are paying $40 and it is not that same as the game. Sounds kinda like a rip off to me.

Over 115,000 people bought the game in the first week on sale in Japan, and that's excluding the PSN downloads and last weeks Media Crate sales. So there is obviously a market for it if people are buying it. I wonder what will happen once it's been released worldwide and is available on western PSN stores.

So... gamers pay $40 for a demo and cows complain about Live... :roll:

GT Prologue is for fans of a game. The demo of it is free though. Live is for anyone who wants to play online, which should be a free service.
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wow damage now decides if a game simulates racing or not. I thought the driving part was the sim guess i forgot the main part of racing seriously, is trying to crash.

the tc sounds like a jealous fanboy finding anything to put down a franchise with some of the hardest working perfectionists working on it.

CossackNoodle

and yet crysis was endlessly praised because trees fall apart.

GT is for casuals who like to look at cars not race them

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#32 mr_w25
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[QUOTE="CossackNoodle"]

wow damage now decides if a game simulates racing or not. I thought the driving part was the sim guess i forgot the main part of racing seriously, is trying to crash.

the tc sounds like a jealous fanboy finding anything to put down a franchise with some of the hardest working perfectionists working on it.

marklarmer

and yet crysis was endlessly praised because trees fall apart.

GT is for casuals who like to look at cars not race them

no matter what it comes down to forza will never out sell gran turismo. period.

i mean comon halo cant even outsell gran turismo

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[QUOTE="beast667"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]This is going to turn into a Forza Vs Bumper Car racer thread :roll:mr_w25

its called bumper-car-ismo or gran fakeismo, fyi

well people must like fake because gran turismo 3 is one of the top selling game ver

Nissan must also like the fake.

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Top 20 console games of all time

The 20 best selling console games, not originally bundled.

1.Pokémon Red, Blue, and Green (Game Boy - 20.08 million approximately, 10.23 million in Japan,[37] 9.85 million in US)[43]2.Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES - 18 million)[34]3.Nintendogs (DS - 15.77 million)[61]4.Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2 - 15 million,[91] may include PC and Xbox versions)5.Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2 - 14.87 million)[80]6.Pokémon Gold and Silver (Game Boy - 14.51 million approximately, 7.6 million in US,[43] 6.91 million in Japan)[37]7.Super Mario Land (Game Boy - 14 million)[34]8.Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (GBA - 13 million)[67]9.Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (DS - 12.17 million)[60]10.Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2 - 12 million)[92]Grand Theft Auto III (PS2 - 12 million,[91] may include PC and Xbox versions)12.New Super Mario Bros. (DS - 11.5 million)[61]13.Super Mario 64 (N64 - 11 million)[37]14.Gran Turismo (PS1 - 10.85 million)[80]15.Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen (GBA - 10.66 million)[57]16.Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES - 10 million)[34]17.Final Fantasy VII (PS1 - 9.8 million, includes Final Fantasy VII International)[81]18.Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (DS - 9.66 million)[61]19.Gran Turismo 4 (PS2 - 9.52 million)[80]20.Gran Turismo 2 (PS1 - 9.37 million)[80]

hmmm thats weird no forza on the list at all

and no halo and no xbox game at all

gran turismo will always be the best racing game, damage or no damage

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ford sells more cars than ferrari.
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Top 20 console games of all time

The 20 best selling console games, not originally bundled.

1.Pokémon Red, Blue, and Green (Game Boy - 20.08 million approximately, 10.23 million in Japan,[37] 9.85 million in US)[43]2.Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES - 18 million)[34]3.Nintendogs (DS - 15.77 million)[61]4.Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2 - 15 million,[91] may include PC and Xbox versions)5.Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2 - 14.87 million)[80]6.Pokémon Gold and Silver (Game Boy - 14.51 million approximately, 7.6 million in US,[43] 6.91 million in Japan)[37]7.Super Mario Land (Game Boy - 14 million)[34]8.Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (GBA - 13 million)[67]9.Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (DS - 12.17 million)[60]10.Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2 - 12 million)[92]Grand Theft Auto III (PS2 - 12 million,[91] may include PC and Xbox versions)12.New Super Mario Bros. (DS - 11.5 million)[61]13.Super Mario 64 (N64 - 11 million)[37]14.Gran Turismo (PS1 - 10.85 million)[80]15.Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen (GBA - 10.66 million)[57]16.Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES - 10 million)[34]17.Final Fantasy VII (PS1 - 9.8 million, includes Final Fantasy VII International)[81]18.Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (DS - 9.66 million)[61]19.Gran Turismo 4 (PS2 - 9.52 million)[80]20.Gran Turismo 2 (PS1 - 9.37 million)[80]

hmmm thats weird no forza on the list at all

and no halo and no xbox game at all

gran turismo will always be the best racing game, damage or no damage

mr_w25
so sales =better game? how many people in system wars actually think pokemon is good? or brain age? more units sold =/= better unit, as im sure many cows and lems would say about wii.
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[QUOTE="mr_w25"]Top 20 console games of all time

The 20 best selling console games, not originally bundled.

LIST

hmmm thats weird no forza on the list at all

and no halo and no xbox game at all

gran turismo will always be the best racing game, damage or no damage

beast667

so sales =better game? how many people in system wars actually think pokemon is good? or brain age? more units sold =/= better unit, as im sure many cows and lems would say about wii.

no no no i never said that gran turismo will be better but i said it will sell better. more sales equal more money so at the end of the day the devs of gran turismo win

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#38 mr_w25
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ford sells more cars than ferrari.marklarmer

thats because ferrari is more expensive. forza and gran turismo are the same price but gran turismo sell more. what does that say?

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Gran Turismo 3 also came bundled with alot of PS2s because my neighbor and my cousin they both got Gran Turismo 3 free with a PS2, but to the TCs question my favorite Arcade Racer is Mario Kart Series, or F-Zero Series.
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[QUOTE="beast667"][QUOTE="mr_w25"]Top 20 console games of all time

The 20 best selling console games, not originally bundled.

LIST

hmmm thats weird no forza on the list at all

and no halo and no xbox game at all

gran turismo will always be the best racing game, damage or no damage

mr_w25

so sales =better game? how many people in system wars actually think pokemon is good? or brain age? more units sold =/= better unit, as im sure many cows and lems would say about wii.

no no no i never said that gran turismo will be better but i said it will sell better. more sales equal more money so at the end of the day the devs of gran turismo win

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[QUOTE="beast667"][QUOTE="mr_w25"]Top 20 console games of all time

The 20 best selling console games, not originally bundled.

LIST

hmmm thats weird no forza on the list at all

and no halo and no xbox game at all

gran turismo will always be the best racing game, damage or no damage

mr_w25

so sales =better game? how many people in system wars actually think pokemon is good? or brain age? more units sold =/= better unit, as im sure many cows and lems would say about wii.

no no no i never said that gran turismo will be better but i said it will sell better. more sales equal more money so at the end of the day the devs of gran turismo win

i agree with you there, mostly because there is nothing to disagree with. while i think Forza is a better game, i doubt it will ever come close to outselling any GT game.
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#42 mr_w25
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to beast6667-okay i didnt realise i said that, my mistake.
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#43 mr_w25
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Gran Turismo 3 also came bundled with alot of PS2s because my neighbor and my cousin they both got Gran Turismo 3 free with a PS2, but to the TCs question my favorite Arcade Racer is Mario Kart Series, or F-Zero Series.Nintendo_Ownes7

yes, but i believe the numbers i posted do not include bundles but were all sold by them selves

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#44 kentaro22
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Considered by a handful of lemmings in SW.... LOL.
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#45 ZeroPunctuation
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:| Forza is arcade racer, its so unrealistic, you destroy your car and yet for some reason you can keep going? GT 5 >>>> Forza, PGR
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#46 SolidSnake35
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ford sells more cars than ferrari.marklarmer
I didn't realise Forza was that expensive.
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#47 marklarmer
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:| Forza is arcade racer, its so unrealistic, you destroy your car and yet for some reason you can keep going? GT 5 >>>> Forza, PGRZeroPunctuation

so clipping a wall and damaging your suspension is less realistic than just bouncing off with no damage. cows just go straight to extremes to try and discredit forza damage, its so stupid. forza>>>>>GT>>>>>PGR.

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#48 beast667
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:| Forza is arcade racer, its so unrealistic, you destroy your car and yet for some reason you can keep going? GT 5 >>>> Forza, PGRZeroPunctuation
i cant believe everyone doesnt know forza has different damage levels considering the millions of threads about it in the last few days. i say we boycott GT5-Forza 2 comparison (or bashing) threads for a while

to mr_w25- i wont hold it against you :)

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#49 mr_w25
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[QUOTE="ZeroPunctuation"]:| Forza is arcade racer, its so unrealistic, you destroy your car and yet for some reason you can keep going? GT 5 >>>> Forza, PGRbeast667

i cant believe everyone doesnt know forza has different damage levels considering the millions of threads about it in the last few days. i say we boycott GT5-Forza 2 comparison (or bashing) threads for a while

to mr_w25- i wont hold it against you :)

i would be good with no threads about forza or GT for a while

and thanks i hate it when people use sale numbers to say a game is better. that was not my intention but it turned out that way on accident