So PS3 has sold 14 Million Units worldwide.. [LINK]

Apparently

"To date, Nintendo has sold an estimated 28 million Wiis worldwide in just 18 months, followed by Microsoft with 19 million Xbox 360s in 30 months, and Sony with 14 million PlayStation 3s in 18 months."

Sales up till end of May.

WOW WA Wii WOW. PS3 is doing great. When will it match 360? or surpass it? ever?

14million systems, thats really good. Its doing great. I predict the PS3 passing the 360 somewhere in late 2009, early 2010.

Passing the 360 won't be hard for the PS3 to do. The Wii is what the PS3 will have a hard time passing for a while, especially in Japan.AmyMizuno

I wont happen Amy... Lets accept it, better games overall and Graphics, smaller userbase... you cant fight the fast selling power of cheap outdated hardware.

The Wii isnt a fad because it's got a whole new bunch of gamers, ones that usually would never play games like my g/f now has a wii and luves it and will continue to play it, along with heaps of young kids and there soccer mums buying it and that will never stop because kids are 4eva turning 4 to 5 to 6 to 7 and one of those birthdays the kid is going to get a Wii, however most hardcore gamers have a ps3 or 360 and thats why the great 3rd party games are sticking with the ps3/360 so even though the Wii will win it still will lose when it comes to games

ps3 will surpass 360 sometime in 2009, probably not to long after final fantasy 13 comes out

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]Passing the 360 won't be hard for the PS3 to do. The Wii is what the PS3 will have a hard time passing for a while, especially in Japan.AgentA-Mi6

I wont happen Amy... Lets accept it, better games overall and Graphics, smaller userbase... you cant fight the fast selling power of cheap outdated hardware.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]Passing the 360 won't be hard for the PS3 to do. The Wii is what the PS3 will have a hard time passing for a while, especially in Japan.yoshi_64

I wont happen Amy... Lets accept it, better games overall and Graphics, smaller userbase... you cant fight the fast selling power of cheap outdated hardware.

Yes thats exactly what I meant betraying gamers to embrace casuals worked perfectly

Apparently

"To date, Nintendo has sold an estimated 28 million Wiis worldwide in just 18 months, followed by Microsoft with 19 million Xbox 360s in 30 months, and Sony with 14 million PlayStation 3s in 18 months."

Sales up till end of May.

WOW WA Wii WOW. PS3 is doing great. When will it match 360? or surpass it? ever?

GoonVSGoblin

14 million in 18 months isn't great. It's borderline TERRIBLE. Esp. considering the PS2 is at over 120 million.

[QUOTE="GoonVSGoblin"]

Apparently

"To date, Nintendo has sold an estimated 28 million Wiis worldwide in just 18 months, followed by Microsoft with 19 million Xbox 360s in 30 months, and Sony with 14 million PlayStation 3s in 18 months."

Sales up till end of May.

WOW WA Wii WOW. PS3 is doing great. When will it match 360? or surpass it? ever?

Number_1_Gamer

14 million in 18 months isn't great. It's borderline TERRIBLE. Esp. considering the PS2 is at over 120 million.

And how many did the Ps2 sell over 18 months?

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"][QUOTE="GoonVSGoblin"]

Apparently

"To date, Nintendo has sold an estimated 28 million Wiis worldwide in just 18 months, followed by Microsoft with 19 million Xbox 360s in 30 months, and Sony with 14 million PlayStation 3s in 18 months."

Sales up till end of May.

WOW WA Wii WOW. PS3 is doing great. When will it match 360? or surpass it? ever?

Chutebox

14 million in 18 months isn't great. It's borderline TERRIBLE. Esp. considering the PS2 is at over 120 million.

And how many did the Ps2 sell over 18 months?

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]Passing the 360 won't be hard for the PS3 to do. The Wii is what the PS3 will have a hard time passing for a while, especially in Japan.AgentA-Mi6

I wont happen Amy... Lets accept it, better games overall and Graphics, smaller userbase... you cant fight the fast selling power of cheap outdated hardware.

Yes thats exactly what I meant betraying gamers to embrace casuals worked perfectly

Gamepro???.....Considering its them I'd replace that ''Apparently'' with a ''Maybe''

:P

[QUOTE="GoonVSGoblin"]

Apparently

"To date, Nintendo has sold an estimated 28 million Wiis worldwide in just 18 months, followed by Microsoft with 19 million Xbox 360s in 30 months, and Sony with 14 million PlayStation 3s in 18 months."

Sales up till end of May.

WOW WA Wii WOW. PS3 is doing great. When will it match 360? or surpass it? ever?

Number_1_Gamer

14 million in 18 months isn't great. It's borderline TERRIBLE. Esp. considering the PS2 is at over 120 million.

Right. Cause the PS2 sold all those 120 million in it's first 18 months when it still was comparatively expensive.
The real push of the PS2 came much later, when it became cheaper, wehn the slim was released and when all those casual games popped up.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]Passing the 360 won't be hard for the PS3 to do. The Wii is what the PS3 will have a hard time passing for a while, especially in Japan.yoshi_64

I wont happen Amy... Lets accept it, better games overall and Graphics, smaller userbase... you cant fight the fast selling power of cheap outdated hardware.

Yes thats exactly what I meant betraying gamers to embrace casuals worked perfectly

Yea, i can never get the hang of Cows and Lemmings (but mostly cows) definition of "gamers". If being cows definition of gamres: ie, someone who is narrow minded, only prefer games with blood, guns, death, and realistic graphics in 1080P with HD up the wazoo, ie, "mature" games what ever that is, shun anyother who tries gaming, anyone who play just one "kiddie" or "Casual mini-game" should be shunned and if it becomes main strea, quit gaming.... Then I'd rather not become a "gamer", instead, I'd just play "Casual" games on my Wii....Cause those games are actually "FUN".

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]Passing the 360 won't be hard for the PS3 to do. The Wii is what the PS3 will have a hard time passing for a while, especially in Japan.yoshi_64

I wont happen Amy... Lets accept it, better games overall and Graphics, smaller userbase... you cant fight the fast selling power of cheap outdated hardware.

Yes thats exactly what I meant betraying gamers to embrace casuals worked perfectly

Allow me to correct myself, "Betraying gamers outside of its hardcore fanbase who would support them no matter what to embrace casuals"

Yea, i can never get the hang of Cows and Lemmings (but mostly cows) definition of "gamers". If being cows definition of gamres: ie, someone who is narrow minded, only prefer games with blood, guns, death, and realistic graphics in 1080P with HD up the wazoo, ie, "mature" games what ever that is, shun anyother who tries gaming, anyone who play just one "kiddie" or "Casual mini-game" should be shunned and if it becomes main strea, quit gaming.... Then I'd rather not become a "gamer", instead, I'd just play "Casual" games on my Wii....Cause those games are actually "FUN".

StryderK

If people looked on the consoles, they'd find something worth play and forget about the crap. Yet, I own all three systems, so my options are near limitless. I don't have to settle for "crap" when I can have any game at my disposal. From MGS 4 to Super Mario Galaxy to Halo 3 to Brawl to all kinds of games... :) It's great to have choices. :D

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"][QUOTE="GoonVSGoblin"]

Apparently

"To date, Nintendo has sold an estimated 28 million Wiis worldwide in just 18 months, followed by Microsoft with 19 million Xbox 360s in 30 months, and Sony with 14 million PlayStation 3s in 18 months."

Sales up till end of May.

WOW WA Wii WOW. PS3 is doing great. When will it match 360? or surpass it? ever?

Nightflash28

14 million in 18 months isn't great. It's borderline TERRIBLE. Esp. considering the PS2 is at over 120 million.

Right. Cause the PS2 sold all those 120 million in it's first 18 months when it still was comparatively expensive.
The real push of the PS2 came much later, when it became cheaper, wehn the slim was released and when all those casual games popped up.

The thing you are missing though is that PS2 got down to $200 in about a year after launch and by then, have captured the market mindshare and was far more accessible than the PS3. The PS3 on the other hand, will be a LONG time before it drops to $200, does not have mainstream market mindshare (that belongs to the wii) and it's game prices and installs will probably confuse them when they do buy it! 14 million in 18 months ain't bad....but there is no way the PS3 will amount to over 40 million sold at then end of 2010 at this rate!

[QUOTE="GoonVSGoblin"]

Apparently

"To date, Nintendo has sold an estimated 28 million Wiis worldwide in just 18 months, followed by Microsoft with 19 million Xbox 360s in 30 months, and Sony with 14 million PlayStation 3s in 18 months."

Sales up till end of May.

WOW WA Wii WOW. PS3 is doing great. When will it match 360? or surpass it? ever?

Number_1_Gamer

14 million in 18 months isn't great. It's borderline TERRIBLE. Esp. considering the PS2 is at over 120 million.

PS3 sold over 3 million more compared to 360 in 18 months.

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]AgentA-Mi6

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Yes thats exactly what I meant betraying gamers to embrace casuals worked perfectly

Allow me to correct myself, "Betraying gamers outside of its hardcore fanbase who would support them no matter what to embrace casuals"

The problem with that fallacy is that at the furious rate that the Wii is selling, it's showing signs that it's not only capturing the casual market, but also the hardcore! maybe not as fast as the X360 or PS3, but the market is there and viable. If the Wii didn't capture the hardcore, subtract at least 5 million units off it's userbase cause then games like SMG, No More Heroes, Metriod Prime 3, Resident Evil 4 and UC would not have sold well and games like Fatal Frame 4 and The Conduit would not have been made for the system!

Again, cows and lemmings has a fallacy that the "only" hardcore system is for them and the Wii is only "TeH KiDdIe and TeH CaSuaLZZZ!" but the truth is, if you look at the numbers and the games, Wii has both the casual and the hardcore games and gamers. You just have to find it that's all!

Wasn't Ps3 down like 7-8 million to 360 at the beginning of the year?Chutebox

That is correct sir. PS3 will pass 360 this year in worldwide sales.

[QUOTE="StryderK"]

Yea, i can never get the hang of Cows and Lemmings (but mostly cows) definition of "gamers". If being cows definition of gamres: ie, someone who is narrow minded, only prefer games with blood, guns, death, and realistic graphics in 1080P with HD up the wazoo, ie, "mature" games what ever that is, shun anyother who tries gaming, anyone who play just one "kiddie" or "Casual mini-game" should be shunned and if it becomes main strea, quit gaming.... Then I'd rather not become a "gamer", instead, I'd just play "Casual" games on my Wii....Cause those games are actually "FUN".

yoshi_64

If people looked on the consoles, they'd find something worth play and forget about the crap. Yet, I own all three systems, so my options are near limitless. I don't have to settle for "crap" when I can have any game at my disposal. From MGS 4 to Super Mario Galaxy to Halo 3 to Brawl to all kinds of games... :) It's great to have choices. :D

I can completely understand you!

I also once had all three consoles but sold my 60G PS3 because it didn not have any games for ME!

Does that make the PS3 a bad console? Umm....No. It has plenty of good games. Those games may not for me, but for people who like the console, I'm sure they are enjoying it! Why can't fanboyz see that is beyond me (but then again, they wouldn't be fanboyz).

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Wasn't Ps3 down like 7-8 million to 360 at the beginning of the year?-Renegade

That is correct sir. PS3 will pass 360 this year in worldwide sales.

I don't know about that, especially with 360 price cut.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Wasn't Ps3 down like 7-8 million to 360 at the beginning of the year?-Renegade

That is correct sir. PS3 will pass 360 this year in worldwide sales.

... :o !!!!!!1111111111111111ç

-Renegade's historically Bold Claim Number 1.2.

Im not sure if should back you on this one yet but hey... You were right last year.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Wasn't Ps3 down like 7-8 million to 360 at the beginning of the year?-Renegade

That is correct sir. PS3 will pass 360 this year in worldwide sales.

nope prbly not this year, i predict mid to late 2009

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Wasn't Ps3 down like 7-8 million to 360 at the beginning of the year?Chutebox

That is correct sir. PS3 will pass 360 this year in worldwide sales.

I don't know about that, especially with 360 price cut.

[QUOTE="GoonVSGoblin"]

Apparently

"To date, Nintendo has sold an estimated 28 million Wiis worldwide in just 18 months, followed by Microsoft with 19 million Xbox 360s in 30 months, and Sony with 14 million PlayStation 3s in 18 months."

Sales up till end of May.

WOW WA Wii WOW. PS3 is doing great. When will it match 360? or surpass it? ever?

Number_1_Gamer

14 million in 18 months isn't great. It's borderline TERRIBLE. Esp. considering the PS2 is at over 120 million.

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"][QUOTE="GoonVSGoblin"]

Apparently

"To date, Nintendo has sold an estimated 28 million Wiis worldwide in just 18 months, followed by Microsoft with 19 million Xbox 360s in 30 months, and Sony with 14 million PlayStation 3s in 18 months."

Sales up till end of May.

WOW WA Wii WOW. PS3 is doing great. When will it match 360? or surpass it? ever?

bc1391

14 million in 18 months isn't great. It's borderline TERRIBLE. Esp. considering the PS2 is at over 120 million.

Sony is the coolest console maker ever I like them so much

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Wasn't Ps3 down like 7-8 million to 360 at the beginning of the year?AgentA-Mi6

That is correct sir. PS3 will pass 360 this year in worldwide sales.

I don't know about that, especially with 360 price cut.

hes got a point and dont forget 360 had many big hitter like halo,gears,etc and still got beaten

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Wasn't Ps3 down like 7-8 million to 360 at the beginning of the year?-Renegade

That is correct sir. PS3 will pass 360 this year in worldwide sales.

i wouldn't be surprized if this happened. people never thought the ps3 could outsell the 360 in 07.

Allow me to correct myself, "Betraying gamers outside of its hardcore fanbase who would support them no matter what to embrace casuals"

AgentA-Mi6

Yet frankly what can you do? I realize it seems Nintendo's focus is more on the "casual" side, but it doesn't mean there aren't any hardcore games for us either... like I said just look and you'll see.

Mostly I own more exclusive games than I do multiplatforms. Funny how it works, and just the thing... I have like equal games on my 360 and Wii and the thing is I had the Wii in shorter time obviousl (What with the 360 being released a year ahead of the others.)

So in that respect I don't feel "betrayed" because my library is equal to a console I owned for two years but had in half it's life time. I got my PS3 late, pretty late I'd say... because there wasn't anything I felt I needed at the moment but frankly... every company has disappointed me in some way. Yeah, no one is perfect and they all can't make me happy, but I don't feel utterly "betrayed" like you say, because frankly... this is business, this is an industry where it looks to make money and that's the final verdict in the end.

These companies are not something I feel I have to pledge an allegiance too, and yet at the same time as a consumer yeah I have my expectations but face it... you can't win it all in the end. It doesn't mean though they aren't satisfying me... I may never be fully happy in some aspect with what a company is doing alone at least from the big three. (MS charging for online, Sony and it's real lack of definitive titles for owning the PS3 at the moment and Nintendo not expanding it's IPs and controlling what gets on the system.)

So don't give me sob stories how you feel betrayed or so, I don't see it. If another Nintendo fan does, so be it... everyone is different but obviously you can't say they are betraying either I'd say... if the stats are right... Wii wouldn't be as successful still without it's loyal base. We know for sure there are many Nintendo fans who bought Wii and obviously I'm one of them. I still own a Wii to this day, and I don't feel "betrayed." I just don't care for a company who has little effect on my life like that... :|

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Wasn't Ps3 down like 7-8 million to 360 at the beginning of the year?joker730

That is correct sir. PS3 will pass 360 this year in worldwide sales.

I don't know about that, especially with 360 price cut.

hes got a point and dont forget 360 had many big hitter like halo,gears,etc and still got beaten

Yes, but Ps3 just isn't selling fast enough to overtake the lead this year.

second place that is lol.

If this is true, thats very bad for the 360...

But i still dont think its true

R-Dot-Yung

How so? It still has the better line-up of games and the gap will widen this fall.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Allow me to correct myself, "Betraying gamers outside of its hardcore fanbase who would support them no matter what to embrace casuals"

yoshi_64

Yet frankly what can you do? I realize it seems Nintendo's focus is more on the "casual" side, but it doesn't mean there aren't any hardcore games for us either... like I said just look and you'll see.

Mostly I own more exclusive games than I do multiplatforms. Funny how it works, and just the thing... I have like equal games on my 360 and Wii and the thing is I had the Wii in shorter time obviousl (What with the 360 being released a year ahead of the others.)

So in that respect I don't feel "betrayed" because my library is equal to a console I owned for two years but had in half it's life time. I got my PS3 late, pretty late I'd say... because there wasn't anything I felt I needed at the moment but frankly... every company has disappointed me in some way. Yeah, no one is perfect and they all can't make me happy, but I don't feel utterly "betrayed" like you say, because frankly... this is business, this is an industry where it looks to make money and that's the final verdict in the end.

These companies are not something I feel I have to pledge an allegiance too, and yet at the same time as a consumer yeah I have my expectations but face it... you can't win it all in the end. It doesn't mean though they aren't satisfying me... I may never be fully happy in some aspect with what a company is doing alone at least from the big three. (MS charging for online, Sony and it's real lack of definitive titles for owning the PS3 at the moment and Nintendo not expanding it's IPs and controlling what gets on the system.)

So don't give me sob stories how you feel betrayed or so, I don't see it. If another Nintendo fan does, so be it... everyone is different but obviously you can't say they are betraying either I'd say... if the stats are right... Wii wouldn't be as successful still without it's loyal base. We know for sure there are many Nintendo fans who bought Wii and obviously I'm one of them. I still own a Wii to this day, and I don't feel "betrayed." I just don't care for a company who has little effect on my life like that... :|

To sumarize

1 - Alright, Not everyone felt betrayed with the Wii. I'll man up to it.

2 - MANY did, Big Time and its Obvious

I thought sales were irrelevent :roll:Quofan

Sales is only relevant to cows and lemmings when they can claim owange on something, especially the dreaded and hated Wii....Otherwise, they are either "playing games" or when there are no games avaliable, "You can't play sales or sales does not matter to "hardcore" gamers".....:|

Who would have thought that...... Sony with it's PS2 120 Mil user base is getting it's *** handed to them by NIN only 18 months later.

[QUOTE="joker730"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Wasn't Ps3 down like 7-8 million to 360 at the beginning of the year?Chutebox

That is correct sir. PS3 will pass 360 this year in worldwide sales.

I don't know about that, especially with 360 price cut.

hes got a point and dont forget 360 had many big hitter like halo,gears,etc and still got beaten

Yes, but Ps3 just isn't selling fast enough to overtake the lead this year.

second place that is lol.

yea your probably right, maybe in 09

[QUOTE="R-Dot-Yung"]

If this is true, thats very bad for the 360...

But i still dont think its true

Pro_wrestler

How so? It still has the better line-up of games and the gap will widen this fall.

How is it going to widen?

To sumarize

1 - Alright, Not everyone felt betrayed with the Wii. I'll man up to it.

2 - MANY did, Big Time and its Obvious

AgentA-Mi6

I'm not saying there aren't any who may feel that way, but it still baffles me when people say that. Well if you want to believe "many di, Big time and it's obvious" I'd love to see the proof. Frankly I don't need to link you to the sales of SMG, Brawl, TP, and well any other Nintendo core game aside from Wii Fit and Wii Play now do I?

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

To sumarize

1 - Alright, Not everyone felt betrayed with the Wii. I'll man up to it.

2 - MANY did, Big Time and its Obvious

yoshi_64

I'm not saying there aren't any who may feel that way, but it still baffles me when people say that. Well if you want to believe "many di, Big time and it's obvious" I'd love to see the proof. Frankly I don't need to link you to the sales of SMG, Brawl, TP, and well any other Nintendo core games aside from Wii Fit and Wii Play now do I?

My previous point, Nintendo's hardcore Fanbase are inconditional followers of those games.

Im feeling sleepy, good night.

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]Passing the 360 won't be hard for the PS3 to do. The Wii is what the PS3 will have a hard time passing for a while, especially in Japan.AgentA-Mi6

I wont happen Amy... Lets accept it, better games overall and Graphics, smaller userbase... you cant fight the fast selling power of cheap outdated hardware.

Yes thats exactly what I meant betraying gamers to embrace casuals worked perfectly

So its betrayal that Nintendo make good games and 3rd parties are too busy releasing crap to compete? If anyone is "betraying" the elitest, selfish, niche "hardcore" market, its actually comapanies like Ubisoft making shovelware (despite the fact nobody actually buys it). Better 3rd party support than the GC, just not the right kind of 3rd party support.

People moaned non stop "where is my 3rd party support." Well, continuing to compete by focusing too much on hardware would not have helped win them any support. We have already seen with the DS that 3rd party support has improved. And that includes "hardcore" games.

Also, a lot of people on SW seem to have misinterpreted the casuals thing, or are just totally ignorant. They arent exclusively catering to casuals and non-gamers.....they are just trying an alternative tactic because competeing in the current market would get them nowhere, like the last two generations got them nowhere.

Oh sorry, I get it now....you were just making a ridiculous exaggeration.

.

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

To sumarize

1 - Alright, Not everyone felt betrayed with the Wii. I'll man up to it.

2 - MANY did, Big Time and its Obvious

AgentA-Mi6

I'm not saying there aren't any who may feel that way, but it still baffles me when people say that. Well if you want to believe "many di, Big time and it's obvious" I'd love to see the proof. Frankly I don't need to link you to the sales of SMG, Brawl, TP, and well any other Nintendo core games aside from Wii Fit and Wii Play now do I?

My previous point, Nintendo's hardcore Fanbase are inconditional followers of those games.

Im feeling sleepy, good night.