So the Xbox One has changed into a PS4 Why did Microsoft even go that route??

1. http://asia.gamespot.com/shows/the-point/?event=why-the-xbox-is-losing-20130814
2. http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/13/xbox-one-then-and-now
3. Xbox One Fail Compilation - What Went Wrong?? - YouTube
4. Opinion: Why I'm Still Not Sold On Xbox One - Features - www.GameInformer.com
5. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/13/microsoft_xbox_kinect_backtrack/

SO the list as it stands Microsoft has changed its mind on at least 7 areas most of wich they stood firm on not changing until it became in their finacial intrest that they change. 

Microsoft would not have changed if they though that it would be to their benifit in the long run, BUT the backlash was SO huge that they ditched their core differences with PS4.  We all know if Microsot even though that they sale about as many as PS4 they would have keep as many pollicies as Possible but they only have kept the kinect boxed in.... untill they change that also. will it still be the ONE? 

Microsoft is so damaged by its actions that at the last minute that it uped its MHz of the GPU.  I thought Microsft said that the consoles were equal in power, or was that just Microsoft's supporters claiming that.  YET it is now that Microsoft saw the curtin coming down on it that Microsoft boosted its GPU just to compete with the PS4.  http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/162977-xbox-one-gpu-gets-modest-boost-in-power-to-combat-ps4-supremacy-microsoft-confirms

So here we are 3 months prior to a November launch.  Microsoft has changed its console to that of the PS4 in almost every way. Now I will be the first to critise Sony for its bad decisions on the PS3 yet PS3 was able to game on regardless of the mess that it made.... and I am sure Microsoft will do the same. 

never compare ps4 with any crap boxlegalize82

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They did it to piss off Damien. Damien responded by making thread after thread about the XB1 and gave Microsoft a ton of free publicity. Worked great!

All this changes in MS policies and how diferent the Xbox One is now makes me wonder if MS knows for sure what they want to offer, I'm going to wait at least a year to buy one, until they know for sure the rout the console it's going to make. 

never compare ps4 with any crap boxlegalize82

Yep, Microsoft's vision is to copy Sony's vision

Nobody knows what pushed them to present the console like that. It all looked so out of touch with reality and kinda hard to believe no one at MS thought it was a bad idea. All that and for what? For nothing because they are back at where they were with 360. They generated so much bad PR for nothing at all in the end.

They made the competition look like a savior and all the competition did was being plain and average. 

People would complain regardless and it looks better than the PS4 now.XxR3m1xInHDn3D

Yep, Microsoft's vision is to copy Sony's vision

Davekeeh

M$ listens to the gamers, j_assassin

[QUOTE="XxR3m1xInHDn3D"]People would complain regardless and it looks better than the PS4 now.Davekeeh

Nobody knows what pushed them to present the console like that. It all looked so out of touch with reality and kinda hard to believe no one at MS thought it was a bad idea. All that and for what? For nothing because they are back at where they were with 360. They generated so much bad PR for nothing at all in the end.

They made the competition look like a savior and all the competition did was being plain and average. 

edidili

Microsoft has the money they could have consulted with someone.  It was just ego, I guess?  Well we will soon see how bad/big this snowball gets. 

M$ tried to screw gamers. Sony called them out for their anti consumer bullshit on the biggest stage. Now M$ is scrambling to reverse everything but its too late. They should leave the gaming industry.

People would complain regardless and it looks better than the PS4 now.XxR3m1xInHDn3D

IF it was just people complaining, do you HONESTLY think Microsoft would have changed things so dramatically?!  

[QUOTE="j_assassin"]M$ listens to the gamers, mems_1224

It was just ego, I guess?

Ravenlore_basic

That and the billionare bubble they live in. They create this perfect services product thingie that works great for those that don't care about spending money. They release it in the wilds and they then wonder why the average Joe hates it. It did look like they were out of touch with the reality. 

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="j_assassin"]M$ listens to the gamers, ZoomZoom2490

[QUOTE="XxR3m1xInHDn3D"]People would complain regardless and it looks better than the PS4 now.Davekeeh

[QUOTE="j_assassin"]M$ listens to the gamers, mems_1224

1. like Gamers did not want a Propritary HDD yet Microsoft lisined.  
2. When Microsoft increased the cost of Live and people complained. Microsoft lisened
3. When Microsoft added commercials to Live (a paid service) and people complained Microsoft lisened
4. Though it took a while People complained about Microsoft not allowing Publishers to give away DLC on microsoft Live. (that took years)

Yet in your eyes it is Sony that has milked gamers?? 

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="j_assassin"]M$ listens to the gamers, Ravenlore_basic

1. like Gamers did not want a Propritary HDD yet Microsoft lisined.  
2. When Microsoft increased the cost of Live and people complained. Microsoft lisened
3. When Microsoft added commercials to Live (a paid service) and people complained Microsoft lisened
4. Though it took a while People complained about Microsoft not allowing Publishers to give away DLC on microsoft Live. (that took years)

Yet in your eyes it is Sony that has milked gamers?? 

Yep, Microsoft's vision is to copy Sony's vision

Davekeeh

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] Pretty much. If it was Sony they would have tried to fix things in 5 years while they milked cows. MS did it in weeks because they truly care about gamers. mems_1224

1. like Gamers did not want a Propritary HDD yet Microsoft lisined.  
2. When Microsoft increased the cost of Live and people complained. Microsoft lisened
3. When Microsoft added commercials to Live (a paid service) and people complained Microsoft lisened
4. Though it took a while People complained about Microsoft not allowing Publishers to give away DLC on microsoft Live. (that took years)

Yet in your eyes it is Sony that has milked gamers?? 

Why did they go that route? Because they thought console gamers gullable enough to get away with and it seems some of them really are that gullible too. I can see microsoft trying to reintroduce some of those things later, time will tell.

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] Pretty much. If it was Sony they would have tried to fix things in 5 years while they milked cows. MS did it in weeks because they truly care about gamers. mems_1224

1. like Gamers did not want a Propritary HDD yet Microsoft lisined.  
2. When Microsoft increased the cost of Live and people complained. Microsoft lisened
3. When Microsoft added commercials to Live (a paid service) and people complained Microsoft lisened
4. Though it took a while People complained about Microsoft not allowing Publishers to give away DLC on microsoft Live. (that took years)

Yet in your eyes it is Sony that has milked gamers?? 

Yes I agree that Sony did go overboard with DRM with the memory card, and it is a profit maker.  Still Microsoft is BY FAR and away Milking gamers. 

1. http://www.walmart.com/ip/Xbox-360-320GB-Hard-Drive-Xbox-360-Xbox-360/19276352    127.37
2. http://www.target.com/p/xbox-360-320gb-hard-drive-xbox-360/-/A-13817624#prodSlot=medium_1_1&term=Xbox+360+Hard+Disk+Drive 

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Because MS hasn't completely dropped it's vision or at least they think their vision will eventually come true anyways so why piss people off. Microsoft's bull**** essentially cost them any advantage during launch. Sony could sleep its way through the launch window and still beat the Xbox One.

well with all the bragging lems do about microsoft forever lasting money xbox one shouldnt be a downgrade in specs compared to broke sonys ps4:lol: if lems tell it sony was smart this time getting others opinion on ps4 vision with gaming background instead of just doing what sony wants microsoft doing what sony did with ps3 doing it their way and only their way which was a mistake then for sony and is now one for microsoft doing things only your way leads to unecessary things like the cell chip and kinect being forced and downgraded specs compared to your rivals when you have the money 

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="j_assassin"]M$ listens to the gamers, Ravenlore_basic

1. like Gamers did not want a Propritary HDD yet Microsoft lisined.  
2. When Microsoft increased the cost of Live and people complained. Microsoft lisened
3. When Microsoft added commercials to Live (a paid service) and people complained Microsoft lisened
4. Though it took a while People complained about Microsoft not allowing Publishers to give away DLC on microsoft Live. (that took years)

Yet in your eyes it is Sony that has milked gamers?? 

and the ps4 changed into a 360 whats your point?

For sales of course...

[QUOTE="legalize82"]never compare ps4 with any crap boxV3rciS

;)

Microsoft always tried to be SONY

Tried to be with Xbox

Made people believe they were with he 360

Now copying again cause their initial Xone ideas sucked as usual

1. http://asia.gamespot.com/shows/the-point/?event=why-the-xbox-is-losing-20130814
2. http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/13/xbox-one-then-and-now
3. Xbox One Fail Compilation - What Went Wrong?? - YouTube
4. Opinion: Why I'm Still Not Sold On Xbox One - Features - www.GameInformer.com
5. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/13/microsoft_xbox_kinect_backtrack/

 

SO the list as it stands Microsoft has changed its mind on at least 7 areas most of wich they stood firm on not changing until it became in their finacial intrest that they change. 

Microsoft would not have changed if they though that it would be to their benifit in the long run, BUT the backlash was SO huge that they ditched their core differences with PS4.  We all know if Microsot even though that they sale about as many as PS4 they would have keep as many pollicies as Possible but they only have kept the kinect boxed in.... untill they change that also. will it still be the ONE? 

Microsoft is so damaged by its actions that at the last minute that it uped its MHz of the GPU.  I thought Microsft said that the consoles were equal in power, or was that just Microsoft's supporters claiming that.  YET it is now that Microsoft saw the curtin coming down on it that Microsoft boosted its GPU just to compete with the PS4.  http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/162977-xbox-one-gpu-gets-modest-boost-in-power-to-combat-ps4-supremacy-microsoft-confirms

So here we are 3 months prior to a November launch.  Microsoft has changed its console to that of the PS4 in almost every way. Now I will be the first to critise Sony for its bad decisions on the PS3 yet PS3 was able to game on regardless of the mess that it made.... and I am sure Microsoft will do the same. 

Ravenlore_basic

Ya heard all the complaining, right? It was like a riot. That's why they backpedaled on so many things. Now if only they could get the specs on the same level as PS4 (They won't. Too late now) I'd pick it over PS4 in an instant.

never compare ps4 with any crap boxlegalize82

i think M$'s only problem was clear communication, I wouldn't have minded no used games if they had listed teh benefits clearly, and restrictions clearly, like the fact that you could trade/share games with the digital only method... that would have been nice if we didn't need gamestop and it was that convenient.

what happened was a lot of people had a knee jerk reaction because M$ seemed to refuse to clearly state the new model with benefits/restrictions on it. 

never compare ps4 with any crap boxlegalize82

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

1. http://asia.gamespot.com/shows/the-point/?event=why-the-xbox-is-losing-20130814
2. http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/13/xbox-one-then-and-now
3. Xbox One Fail Compilation - What Went Wrong?? - YouTube
4. Opinion: Why I'm Still Not Sold On Xbox One - Features - www.GameInformer.com
5. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/13/microsoft_xbox_kinect_backtrack/

 

SO the list as it stands Microsoft has changed its mind on at least 7 areas most of wich they stood firm on not changing until it became in their finacial intrest that they change. 

Microsoft would not have changed if they though that it would be to their benifit in the long run, BUT the backlash was SO huge that they ditched their core differences with PS4.  We all know if Microsot even though that they sale about as many as PS4 they would have keep as many pollicies as Possible but they only have kept the kinect boxed in.... untill they change that also. will it still be the ONE? 

Microsoft is so damaged by its actions that at the last minute that it uped its MHz of the GPU.  I thought Microsft said that the consoles were equal in power, or was that just Microsoft's supporters claiming that.  YET it is now that Microsoft saw the curtin coming down on it that Microsoft boosted its GPU just to compete with the PS4.  http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/162977-xbox-one-gpu-gets-modest-boost-in-power-to-combat-ps4-supremacy-microsoft-confirms

So here we are 3 months prior to a November launch.  Microsoft has changed its console to that of the PS4 in almost every way. Now I will be the first to critise Sony for its bad decisions on the PS3 yet PS3 was able to game on regardless of the mess that it made.... and I am sure Microsoft will do the same. 

Wickerman777

Ya heard all the complaining, right? It was like a riot. That's why they backpedaled on so many things. Now if only they could get the specs on the same level as PS4 (They won't. Too late now) I'd pick it over PS4 in an instant.

never compare ps4 with any crap boxlegalize82

Let the appologists tell it, these aren't changes, they're just going back to their old ways. Yeah right

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] Pretty much. If it was Sony they would have tried to fix things in 5 years while they milked cows. MS did it in weeks because they truly care about gamers. WilliamRLBaker

1. like Gamers did not want a Propritary HDD yet Microsoft lisined.  
2. When Microsoft increased the cost of Live and people complained. Microsoft lisened
3. When Microsoft added commercials to Live (a paid service) and people complained Microsoft lisened
4. Though it took a while People complained about Microsoft not allowing Publishers to give away DLC on microsoft Live. (that took years)

Yet in your eyes it is Sony that has milked gamers?? 

[QUOTE="XxR3m1xInHDn3D"]People would complain regardless and it looks better than the PS4 now.Davekeeh

LMAO!

Yep, Microsoft's vision is to copy Sony's vision

Davekeeh

Then I'd say MS vision is to give gamers what they want, which apparently means no innovation and more of the same. Thanks Sony.

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Yep, Microsoft's vision is to copy Sony's vision

GravityX

Then I'd say MS vision is to give gamers what they want, which apparently means no innovation and more of the same. Thanks Sony.

SONY's vision has been the same since PS1... Movie engaging like games! I guess they are doing great at what they wanted! Microsoft copied and NINTENDO isn't even trying anymore

I don't see a reason why a thread would have to be made for something such as this considering it is pretty much common sense. There were a lot of risks that they were taking with some of the original decisions that they had announced. Unfortunately, with the backlash and their main competition going in the complete opposite direction coupled with getting a lot of media attention for doing so, it made no sense to be stubborn and stick with ideas that weren't going to work.