So. What 360 exclusives are worth it?

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#1 Logan832
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Girlfriend got a 360 with her new laptop so she is giving it to me! :D I have a PS3, so I have many of the multi-plats already.

Here are some of the games I narrowed down. Halo 3 (or halo reach?), Lost Odyssey, Left 4 Dead 2, Fable 2 (heard 3 sucked) and Alan Wake. Are these good games? I can get all of these for under $15 at amazon. Not really interested in Gears or Forza. I would also like to get a game that she would like to play. She really likes LBP, and Modnation racers for the ps3. Something similar out there in terms of creative play?

Fanboyism aside, I really thought there were more 360 exclusives!

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#2 Lto_thaG
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Do more research.

There's plenty more.

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you want a game that she would like to play? get Dance Central
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#4 Logan832
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Do more research.

There's plenty more.

Lto_thaG

Should of rephrased that. More that I was interested in. I looked through the list and all. Am I missing some good ones that flew under the radar?

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I'd get Halo reach too. I'll mention the Gears of War franchise. We don't have a massive list of 360 exclusives, but the ones we got are really good!
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  1. Gears
  2. Gears 2
  3. Fable 2
  4. Fable 3
  5. Forza 3
  6. Halo Reach
  7. Halo ODST
  8. Halo 3
  9. Alan Wake
  10. Lost Odyssey
  11. Mass Effect
  12. Mass Effect 2

No particular order, and a couple are multiplats.

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#8 DethSkematik
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The 360 had a ton of games over the years, but they're still awesome played today nonetheless. Personally, I'd recommend Condemned: Criminal Origins, Dead Rising, Halo series, Gears of War series, Dead or Alive 4, Forza series. Still, congrats on your new machine bro! :D
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#9 Lto_thaG
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

Do more research.

There's plenty more.

Logan832

Should of rephrased that. More that I was interested in. I looked through the list and all. Am I missing some good ones that flew under the radar?

Probably. Get the games you already want.
Btw,this seems more fitting in the 360 board.

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#10 Lto_thaG
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Also,check out Dead Rising.

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http://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=1

http://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=5

Just check the list (note: if it scored less than 7.0 on GS it's not listed so some may be missing).

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#12 SecretPolice
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There is plenty of great ones but as somebody already said, you can research them to see what you like, one may be Crackdown and as for your GF, I'd suggest Banjo N&B and perhaps Viva Pinata as well.

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I would definitely recommend Lost Odyssey, just finished that recently and it's a great game. If you're not into Kinect games then this year there is Gears 3 and Forza4.
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#14 Harisemo
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I would try all these games and most of them are really cheap now:

Metro 2033
Gears 1 & 2, Give em a try even if you aren't interested
Forza 2/3
PGR 3/4
Crackdown 1 or 2
Kameo
Perfect Dark Zero
Splinter Cell Conviction
Halo 3/Reach & ODST
Alan Wake (I didn't like it)
Too Human
S*** load of Xbox Live Arcade games

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reach is just above average so if you're going to pick a halo game..choose #3 gears is a pretty cool series but i guess you dont want that.. Splinter cell conviction is another cool game to pick up. Not aware of any cool games like lbp or modnation racers for the 360.. i would guess most of them are in the marketplace.
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#16 Logan832
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Thanks guys! I forgot about dead rising. I think ill just both Reach and Halo 3. I may just rent Alan Wake. I am really interested in Lost Odyssey though!

Which is the better zombie game, Dead Rising or Left 4 Dead 2?

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#17 lowkey254
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I think it's funny how everyone is suggesting a non core game for your gf to play. For exclusives... I'd say Halo Reach.

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Thanks guys! I forgot about dead rising. I think ill just both Reach and Halo 3. I may just rent Alan Wake. I am really interested in Lost Odyssey though!

Which is the better zombie game, Dead Rising or Left 4 Dead 2?

Logan832

L4D2 can be pretty barren nowadays. I have trouble finding any games. Both are sweet though, but I found L4D2 to be much mroe fun.

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Forza 3,4

PGR 4

Gears ,2,3

Alan Wake

Halo 3 ,ODST, Reach, Anniversery

Kameo

Shadowrun

Banjo

Plus there are several XBLA games that are worth owning.

Notice I did not include Fable- The series is a complete waste of resources.

Also if you are talking nonPS3 games Metro 2033, Splinter Cell Conviction and the Left 4 dead series. Prey is an oldie but goodie also.

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#20 Badosh
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Left 4 Dead 2 > Dead Rising. Also Check out Viva Pinata, not everybody's type of game, but I loved it.
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#21 SaltyMeatballs
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Thanks guys! I forgot about dead rising. I think ill just both Reach and Halo 3. I may just rent Alan Wake. I am really interested in Lost Odyssey though!

Which is the better zombie game, Dead Rising or Left 4 Dead 2?

Logan832
Lost Odyssey is a great JRPG, if you are interested you should get it. Will keep you busy for a long time.
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I think it's funny how everyone is suggesting a non core game for your gf to play. For exclusives... I'd say Halo Reach.

lowkey254

how does a "core" game (i hate this term) differ from a non-core game?

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Kameo is actually a pretty fun game.

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anyone mention ace combat 6 and saints row 1 yet, i loved those 2 games.

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#25 nini200
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One thing you should DEFINITELY NOT DO is BUY Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts. That "Game" if you will, sucked tremendously and is NOTHING like the original 2 Banjo games. I'd suggest as far as you, try out Hunted: The Demon Forge and Dark Souls when it releases in October. Also King of Fighters 13 also in October (Best fighting Game this year). I'd also point out The Lego series is great for coop play as is Left 4 Dead and Call Of Duty/Battlefield 3 (Releases in October on the same day as KOF 13 so get them both if you can) so those may be good for you and her to play together.
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One thing you should DEFINITELY NOT DO is BUY Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts. That "Game" if you will, sucked tremendously and is NOTHING like the original 2 Banjo games. I'd suggest as far as you, try out Hunted: The Demon Forge and Dark Souls when it releases in October. Also King of Fighters 13 also in October (Best fighting Game this year). I'd also point out The Lego series is great for coop play as is Left 4 Dead and Call Of Duty/Battlefield 3 (Releases in October on the same day as KOF 13 so get them both if you can) so those may be good for you and her to play together.nini200

On the contrary. BK nuts and bolts is great, for what it was. Of course if you actually expected it to be a traditional Banjo game before you bought it, I could understand your disappointment.

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[QUOTE="nini200"]One thing you should DEFINITELY NOT DO is BUY Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts. That "Game" if you will, sucked tremendously and is NOTHING like the original 2 Banjo games. I'd suggest as far as you, try out Hunted: The Demon Forge and Dark Souls when it releases in October. Also King of Fighters 13 also in October (Best fighting Game this year). I'd also point out The Lego series is great for coop play as is Left 4 Dead and Call Of Duty/Battlefield 3 (Releases in October on the same day as KOF 13 so get them both if you can) so those may be good for you and her to play together.theuncharted34

On the contrary. BK nuts and bolts is great, for what it was. Of course if you actually expected it to be a traditional Banjo game before you bought it, I could understand your disappointment.

Indeed so whatever ya do, that guy has poor taste in gaming, stay away from what he tells you is a good game. :P

Anyhoo, BK N&B scored by GS fell ONLY .5 away from nabbing teh AAAE. 8)

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#28 nini200
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

One thing you should DEFINITELY NOT DO is BUY Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts. That "Game" if you will, sucked tremendously and is NOTHING like the original 2 Banjo games. I'd suggest as far as you, try out Hunted: The Demon Forge and Dark Souls when it releases in October. Also King of Fighters 13 also in October (Best fighting Game this year). I'd also point out The Lego series is great for coop play as is Left 4 Dead and Call Of Duty/Battlefield 3 (Releases in October on the same day as KOF 13 so get them both if you can) so those may be good for you and her to play together.nini200

On the contrary. BK nuts and bolts is great, for what it was. Of course if you actually expected it to be a traditional Banjo game before you bought it, I could understand your disappointment.

Indeed so whatever ya do, that guy has poor taste in gaming, stay away from what he tells you is a good game. :P

Anyhoo, BK N&B scored by GS fell ONLY .5 away from nabbing teh AAAE. 8)

Poor taste in gaming by YOUR opinions (Demon Souls was a Bad game? Really?

Call of Duty which outsells ANY other FPS to this day is a bad game Really? Oh you're going with the Milkage thing just like every other "Hardcore" gamer that cries about Milkage but are the first ones in line to buy the game AND the first ones to buy the DLC.

Battlefield is on Par with Call of Duty and some claim that it's even better. If Battlefield is on par or better than the best selling FPS of all time, that must be bad too huh?

The Lego games are reknown for their Coop play. Now you're saying those games are bad too? King of Fighters is a highly technical and Tournament played fighter and is on par if not better than Street Fighter. That must be a bad game too huh? Oh here comes the "KOF 12" comment huh? Were you going to use that really? Well let me let you in on something, KOF 12 wasn't even Finished when released. 13 is finished and is already shown to be a great game. Check youtube and Tournament battles that have been had since last year showing off how exceptionally good the game is :P .

Hmmm, now who has bad taste in gaming again since you want to go into Ratings and Scores. Sounds like you do. :P

Also simply assuming that his GF isn't into "Hardcore" - I use that illegitimate term very loosely, is showing how much immaturity most "Hardcore" gamers have").

BK N&B tolled in comparison to the Original BK. I like my games to actually be fun not just graphic showcases with no gameplay. Now move along with your "Almost AAAE" comment.

I :lol: when "Hardcore" gamers use other people's opinions to justify the experience that they would have when playing a game. Shows just how little self opinion they have.
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If your looking for a reason to keep that 360 i think Seiki_sands does a pretty convincing job of it with this epic post below.

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Seiki_sands wrote:

1. Because you like...

Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation, Alan Wake, Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, Beautiful Katamari, Blue Dragon, Chromehounds, Crackdown, Crackdown 2, Dance Dance Revolution Universe 1,2,3, Dead or Alive 4, Dead Rising, Deathsmiles, Deathsmiles IIX, Espgaluda 2: Black Label (Region Free), Earth Defense Force 2017, Fable 2, Forza Motorsport 2,3, Halo 3, Halo: ODST, Halo: Reach, Halo Wars, Kameo: Elements of Power, the Lips series, Lost Odyssey, Magna Carta II, Mushihime-sama Futari (Region Free), Naruto: Rise of a Ninja, Naruto: The Broken Bond, Ninety-Nine Nights, Perfect Dark Zero, Project Gotham Racing 3,4, Project Sylpheed, Saint's Row, Stoked, Too Human, Viva Pinata 2: Trouble in Paradise, etc.

none of which are available elsewhere

2. Because you are looking forward to...

Project Draco (Makers of Panzer Dragoon 1,2,Saga and the Director of Phantom Dust)
Codename Kingdoms (Makers of Far Cry, Crysis)
Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor (Makers of Armored Core, Chromehounds, Frame Gride, Demon Souls, Ninja Blade, etc.)
Gears of War 3
Rise of Nightmares (Makers of House of the Dead)
Otomedius Excellant (Similar to some of Konami's other Scrolling Shoot em Ups like Gradius and Salamander)
Halo: Combat Evolved Remake
Haunt (Makers of Parappa the Rapper, Vib Ribbon)
Forza Motorsport 4
Codename D (Makers of No More Heroes, Killer 7, Fatal Frame IV)
Radiant Silvergun HD (Makers of Ikaruga, Guardian Heroes, Gunstar Heroes, Astro Boy: Omega Factor, Sin & Punishment, etc.)
Ms. Splosion (Makers of Splosion Man, The Maw, and Comic Jumper)
Dust: An Elysian Tale (Pretty drawn side-scrolling combat indie game that evokes Vanillaware a little)
The Gunstringer (Makers of Splosion Man, The Maw, and Comic Jumper)

Upcoming unannounced projects from MS owned Rare, Lionhead, 343 Industries, MGS Soho & MGS Vancouver

none of which are announced elsewhere

3. Because you don't have a gaming PC and wish to play...

Battlestations Midway, Battlestations Pacific, Call of Duty 2, Call of Juarez, Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars, Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath, Condemned: Criminal Origins, Condemned 2: Bloodshot, Darwinia +, Divinity 2, Fable 3, Gears of War, Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved, Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle Earth 2, Mass Effect, Metro 2033, The Misadventures of P.B. Winterbottom, Ninja Blade, Prey, Quake 4, Raiden 4, Risen, Serious Sam HD: The First Encounter, ,Shadowrun, Super Meat Boy, Supreme Commander, Supreme Commander 2, Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Conviction, Torchlight, Two Worlds, Universe at War, Viva Pinata, Zeno Clash, etc.

PC360 games, none of which are available on the PS3 or Wii

4. Because your friends play on the 360

5. Because you wish to play Tales of Vesperia in English

6. Because you like...

Dishwasher, Dishwasher 2: Vampire Smile, Splosion Man, Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2, LIMBO, Galaga Legions, Toy Soldiers, Shadow Complex, Comic Jumper, Dead Rising 2: Case Zero, Ilomilo, Snoopy Flying Ace, Panzer General: Allied Assault, Trials HD, Lost Cities, South Park: Let's Go Tower Defense Play, Castlevania: Harmony of Despair, Hexic 2, Mutant Storm Empire, etc.

XBLA games, none of which are available elsewhere

7. Because you like...

Cross Party Chat, Faster Downloads, the ESPN, Video Kinect, LastFM, Facebook, etc. apps, or the 360 GUI

8. Because you do not have an Original X-Box and wish to play X-Box games like...

Amped 2, Burnout 2, Burnout 3, Crimson Skies, Dead or Alive 3, Dead or Alive Ultimate, Dreamfall, Fatal Frame 2, Grand Theft Auto 3, Grand Theft Auto Vice City, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas,Halo, Halo 2, Indigo Prophecy, Jet Set Radio Future, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Phantom Dust, Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow...

to name a few among hundreds.

9. Because you like...

I Maed a gam3 w1th zombies 1n1t!!!1, Breath of Death VII, Shoot 1 up, Epic Dungeon, Sequence, Decay, Soulcaster, Cthulhu Saves the World...

or any of the somewhere between 700 and 1000 indie games, most of which are poor, a few of which are great

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Kameo, gears 2, and forza 4

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If you like survival horror and want a truely unique experience then pick up Deadly Premonition (I think its a 360 exclusive...).

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Alan Wake is average at best. It's REALLY repetitive and the story isn't that good. I would not recommend it at all.

I would say get Tales of Vesperia. I'm not sure if Namco ever confirmed a PS3 version but if they didn't, you should definitely pick it up for Xbox.

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#34 K0NEY
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Call of Duty which outsells ANY other FPS to this day is a bad game Really? Oh you're going with the Milkage thing just like every other "Hardcore" gamer that cries about Milkage but are the first ones in line to buy the game AND the first ones to buy the DLC.

nini200

Yes.

You know a game sucks when your first and last defense is "but look at the sales!!" and assumptions.

By your logic, Justin Beiber is the best musician out there. Cool..

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#35 bmbmbmbmbmbmbm2
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If i knew 360's library was gonna suck this bad i wouldnt of bought it back in 2005 i was hoping to see some great games, launch title's were doing more impressive stuff than **** later on in this gen.
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#37 bmbmbmbmbmbmbm2
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A exclusive im enjoying on ps3 is socom 4, currently im playing duke nukem forever on 360 because my friend has it, but exclusive wise there's nothing that holds my attention on 360. I have halo reach and gears of war the online play sucks ass, the people are bullet sponge's you'll shoot someone x10 the amount they do and they will kill u with some ass cheap ass kill.
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She might like left 4 dead if you teach her shooters it's a lot of fun.
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Kameo Banjo

Nuts and Bolts

Tons of fun and unique arcade games on XBLA

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#40 casharmy
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If you truely wnat to know 360 gold exclusive games I would go with the early japanese RPGs that never made it over to PS3. To be honest most of the games people are listing are kinda crappy IMHO.

honest list.

Hate Halo this gen, pretty crap IMO but it's exclusive and I only use single player.if you are going to pay for XBL I'm sure you might enjoy it. Also, I I don't know why people are suggesting you get Kameo it's a very average to low quality game just with impressive graphics.

If you want to know what 360 exclusives are *worth* scores be damned,it id say.

Fable 2

Naruto: Rise of a Ninja

Tales of Vesperia

Blue Dragon

Forza 3

Lost Oddessy

Infinite Undiscovery

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If you truely wnat to know 360 gold exclusive games I would go with the early japanese RPGs that never made it over to PS3. To be honest most of the games people are listing are kinda crappy IMHO.

honest list.

Hate Halo this gen, pretty crap IMO but it's exclusive and I only use single player.if you are going to pay for XBL I'm sure you might enjoy it.

If you want to know what 360 exclusives are *worth* scores be damned,it id say.

Fable 2

Naruto: Rise of a Ninja

Tales of Vesperia

Blue Dragon

Forza 3

Lost Oddessy

Infinite Undiscovery

casharmy
Blue Dragon was so boring to me dunno why I usually love rpgs.
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#42 casharmy
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

If you truely wnat to know 360 gold exclusive games I would go with the early japanese RPGs that never made it over to PS3. To be honest most of the games people are listing are kinda crappy IMHO.

honest list.

Hate Halo this gen, pretty crap IMO but it's exclusive and I only use single player.if you are going to pay for XBL I'm sure you might enjoy it.

If you want to know what 360 exclusives are *worth* scores be damned,it id say.

Fable 2

Naruto: Rise of a Ninja

Tales of Vesperia

Blue Dragon

Forza 3

Lost Oddessy

Infinite Undiscovery

berserker2389

Blue Dragon was so boring to me dunno why I usually love rpgs.

It's a charming game overlooked by alot because of it's score.

Yes is a traditional JRPG but the plus sides to this game is it has mega detail for exploration and enviroments, good voice acting,a story that is easy to follow has a natural progression and hours of play time cause it's a long game and very nice graphics to boot.

It's not the best game EVA but the game is enjoyable and I think that make it *worth* it. And if we are talking about the xbox360's library I think it deseves a mention.

*edit*

Actually I didn't like it very much myself at first but as I got further into the game I begin to appreciate what it offered.

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#43 cain006
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Don't get Halo 3, just get Reach. If you have a capable pc, get L4D2 on pc, it's way better. Don't get Fable 2 or 3, both are horrible games.

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#44 FastEddie2121
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Even though this stretches back to last gen, Knights of the Old Republic is a 'can't miss' game if you're a rpg fan and it is backwards compatible. Still one of my fav games ever.

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#45 nini200
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Yes.

You know a game sucks when your first and last defense is "but look at the sales!!" and assumptions.

By your logic, Justin Beiber is the best musician out there. Cool..

K0NEY

:lol: and I bet you own most if not all the Call of Duty games from 4 til recent.

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gears 1/thread
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#47 K0NEY
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[QUOTE="K0NEY"]

Yes.

You know a game sucks when your first and last defense is "but look at the sales!!" and assumptions.

By your logic, Justin Beiber is the best musician out there. Cool..

nini200

:lol: and I bet you own most if not all the Call of Duty games from 4 til recent.

I don't own any Call of Duty. Good try though.

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Kameo

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Gears Of War

Alan Wake

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#49 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

On the contrary. BK nuts and bolts is great, for what it was. Of course if you actually expected it to be a traditional Banjo game before you bought it, I could understand your disappointment.

nini200

Indeed so whatever ya do, that guy has poor taste in gaming, stay away from what he tells you is a good game. :P

Anyhoo, BK N&B scored by GS fell ONLY .5 away from nabbing teh AAAE. 8)

Poor taste in gaming by YOUR opinions (Demon Souls was a Bad game? Really?

Call of Duty which outsells ANY other FPS to this day is a bad game Really? Oh you're going with the Milkage thing just like every other "Hardcore" gamer that cries about Milkage but are the first ones in line to buy the game AND the first ones to buy the DLC.

Battlefield is on Par with Call of Duty and some claim that it's even better. If Battlefield is on par or better than the best selling FPS of all time, that must be bad too huh?

The Lego games are reknown for their Coop play. Now you're saying those games are bad too? King of Fighters is a highly technical and Tournament played fighter and is on par if not better than Street Fighter. That must be a bad game too huh? Oh here comes the "KOF 12" comment huh? Were you going to use that really? Well let me let you in on something, KOF 12 wasn't even Finished when released. 13 is finished and is already shown to be a great game. Check youtube and Tournament battles that have been had since last year showing off how exceptionally good the game is :P .

Hmmm, now who has bad taste in gaming again since you want to go into Ratings and Scores. Sounds like you do. :P

Also simply assuming that his GF isn't into "Hardcore" - I use that illegitimate term very loosely, is showing how much immaturity most "Hardcore" gamers have").

BK N&B tolled in comparison to the Original BK. I like my games to actually be fun not just graphic showcases with no gameplay. Now move along with your "Almost AAAE" comment.

I :lol: when "Hardcore" gamers use other people's opinions to justify the experience that they would have when playing a game. Shows just how little self opinion they have.

:oops: Dang you nini went almost postal on me when firstly it was just a bit of a joke and secondly I was only defending what I & many think, including this website your posting on, is a great game but yikes, you somehow inferred from that I was saying all those games you mentioned above were bad games ? Sheeesh dude, settle down though I know this SW stuff is indeed ummmmm, yeah, serious business.

Oh, and you remain dead wrong about Banjo N&B but your entitled to be wrong, I see a bunch of that here. :P