So why does Just Cause 2 which is 25X bigger than Skyrim, perform better on PS3?

Just Cause 2's map size is at least 25X bigger than Skyrim yet the game performs graphically better and performace wise on PS3.

How does a massive game like this not suffer according to Bethesda because of the 256MB limited RAM?

Or is this just more lies coming out of Bethesda?

Because Skyrim is garbage? not sure, only that matters is that im not playing the game

IMO Because Bethesda want to treat the PS3 like the PC and 360, wich everybody in this forum knows are not the same.

They must use the spes in the Cell for almost every process and only the "light" things in the GPU, this way you can use the split ram in the PS3 more eficiently than only strugle with the GPU ram.

Uhm, are you serious?

There are ton of UNIQUE NPC's with AI routines, quests, dialogue all runnign loose on Skyrim. There are thousands of instances of items/objects that can be manipulated and picked up.

None of that is true for Just Cause 2.The NPC's there are just instanced bots with minimum reactive AI that spawn when the player gets close enough.

Skyrim is a much more complex game. And the consoles are dated hardware.

Because Skyrim is garbage? not sure, only that matters is that im not playing the game

finalstar2007

Seriously dude?... Seriously. You haven't played it, but it's garbage...

Skyrim is poop, so is Bethesda. Worse most overhyped devs and games. :?

WOW JC2 is so huge. Too bad it was empty :( like GTAIV..

JC2 just streams a huge open but empty world

Skyrim is a tiny bit different

they allready made the textures extremely low res just because of consoles and put loading screens everywhere, but i guess the PS3 just cant handle it

Probably because it not quite as complex as Skyrim.

Just Cause 2 is far less complex than Skyrim in terms of design. And Bethesda can't QA for sh*t.

Because Skyrim is garbage? not sure, only that matters is that im not playing the game

finalstar2007

Because Panau doesn't have as much stuff as Skyrim and Just Cause 2 doesn't render the entire gameworld at once.

Just Cause 2 is far less complex than Skyrim in terms of design. And Bethesda can't QA for sh*t.

Vesica_Prime

Main reason.

I doubt Avalanche or Eidos are tons better at QA than Bethesda, but who knows.

Because Skyrim is garbage? not sure, only that matters is that im not playing the game

finalstar2007

Skyrim is poop, so is Bethesda. Worse most overhyped devs and games. :?

Peredith

F**k off.

Anyway, like all the other posters have said, JC2 might have a bigger map, but there is really nothing to do in it other than blow stuff up, which is fun for a whole five minutes.

Just Cause 2 worls may be bigger but it´s nowhere are complex as Skyrim´s.

Also, according to lens of truth, both versions of Just Cause 2 perform equally. If something, they game graphics to 360 version :P

http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-just-cause-2/2/

Because Skyrim is garbage? not sure, only that matters is that im not playing the game

finalstar2007

25x bigger and 25x empty.

Just Cause 2's map size is at least 25X bigger than Skyrim yet the game performs graphically better and performace wise on PS3.

How does a massive game like this not suffer according to Bethesda because of the 256MB limited RAM?

Or is this just more lies coming out of Bethesda?

Blazerdt47

What other lies are you referring to?

IIRC, everyone was gloating how the PS3 got a superior version of Oblivion, now they are all moaning about how poorly the PS3 performs with Skyrim, so I agree it is strange.

It's not about map size. Skryim tracks thousands more objects in the world. The world is much more persistent and dyanmaic. Just Cause 2's map is very basic in comparison. It's just large but populated by very easy to track things.

Why is everyone here still talking about Skyrim on the Ps3?

Why did the Ps3 version turn out like it did? Because Bethesda has the worst programmers in the industry, that's why.

Because Just Cause 2 doesn't remember every single inch of what you did in the game world, Skyrim does.ShadowDeathX

And here you have your answer.

Really, people need to realise that map size in itself doesn't really mean anything. FUEL had a 14,000 square kilometer map, but it wasn't that resource-heavy as it was basically just a backdrop for a racing game.

Games like Skyrim are much harder to run because the game has to memorise and render the landscape, but also how the player's actions have influenced it over time.

Because Just Cause 2 doesn't remember every single inch of what you did in the game world, Skyrim does.ShadowDeathX

Is this serious???
As much as I love Just Cause2 it does not have as much going on or as many missions as Skyrim does.

Sure its landmass might be bigger but skyrim has MUCH MUCH more going on in its size.

Games like Skyrim and Gothic3 FEEL like a living breathing world with TONS going on in it, Just Cause 2 is more of just a big area to have fun in, not as many things going on or as much to do in Just Cause2 (which is a game I love).

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Because Skyrim is garbage? not sure, only that matters is that im not playing the game

kris9031998

I like Skyrim and COD, I don't see what one has to do with the other.

Lot more going on in Skyrim, like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93W6mB0ZqCM :lol: Heil68

Holy crap! :D

Uhm, are you serious?

There are ton of UNIQUE NPC's with AI routines, quests, dialogue all runnign loose on Skyrim. There are thousands of instances of items/objects that can be manipulated and picked up.

None of that is true for Just Cause 2.The NPC's there are just instanced bots with minimum reactive AI that spawn when the player gets close enough.

Skyrim is a much more complex game. And the consoles are dated hardware.

Kinthalis

AI routines, nothing new, doesn't require modern hardware either. Their location and player modifiable interactions are in the save file. You can get NPC's to walk around and do different stuff at specific times in UO.

Quests, I'm sure, aren't very resource heavy, they're only small updates and triggers all over the place, again quests have been doable for a long time.

Dialogue are small audio files, though they can waste space in memory, they can be streamed no problem (eg. cd players)

Objects and locations, simple lines of code is all that's required to have them somewhere. (save files)

I'm pretty sure Skyrim's performance is more related to shoddy development, the game clearly didn't get any polish (eg. normal maps on NPC's being updated in hours by modders, major flaw in polish but easily fixed) That and I'm sure Skyrim runs a higher polycount than JC2 does in it's map in any given area.

JC2 keeps track of every destructible object, collectible, weapon upgrade, killable NPC, etc. and there's thousands of those. Also, it's not as empty as people think it is - the cities have a lot of NPCs and vehicles - not as many as GTA, but still a lot, and finally, it doesn't have loading screens and your maximum speed is a lot higher, meaning that the game must stream data faster.

Lot more going on in Skyrim, like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93W6mB0ZqCM :lol: Heil68

That was honestly one of the funniest glitches I've seen in a loooong time. Thank you for that!

1 word.

Interactivity.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Uhm, are you serious?

There are ton of UNIQUE NPC's with AI routines, quests, dialogue all runnign loose on Skyrim. There are thousands of instances of items/objects that can be manipulated and picked up.

None of that is true for Just Cause 2.The NPC's there are just instanced bots with minimum reactive AI that spawn when the player gets close enough.

Skyrim is a much more complex game. And the consoles are dated hardware.

Inconsistancy

AI routines, nothing new, doesn't require modern hardware either. Their location and player modifiable interactions are in the save file. You can get NPC's to walk around and do different stuff at specific times in UO.

Quests, I'm sure, aren't very resource heavy, they're only small updates and triggers all over the place, again quests have been doable for a long time.

Dialogue are small audio files, though they can waste space in memory, they can be streamed no problem (eg. cd players)

Objects and locations, simple lines of code is all that's required to have them somewhere. (save files)

I'm pretty sure Skyrim's performance is more related to shoddy development, the game clearly didn't get any polish (eg. normal maps on NPC's being updated in hours by modders, major flaw in polish but easily fixed) That and I'm sure Skyrim runs a higher polycount than JC2 does in it's map in any given area.

Uhm, are you serious?

There are ton of UNIQUE NPC's with AI routines, quests, dialogue all runnign loose on Skyrim. There are thousands of instances of items/objects that can be manipulated and picked up.

None of that is true for Just Cause 2.The NPC's there are just instanced bots with minimum reactive AI that spawn when the player gets close enough.

Skyrim is a much more complex game. And the consoles are dated hardware.

Kinthalis

Just pointing at a few flaws in the TC's fail post

For starters in WoW theres Outlands and Northrend, just not Kalimador

Skyrim has a crap load of random events in it,npcs,dialogue that take up so much coding to do which the only games you listed that can even compare to skyrim is WoW.

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[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Uhm, are you serious?

There are ton of UNIQUE NPC's with AI routines, quests, dialogue all runnign loose on Skyrim. There are thousands of instances of items/objects that can be manipulated and picked up.

None of that is true for Just Cause 2.The NPC's there are just instanced bots with minimum reactive AI that spawn when the player gets close enough.

Skyrim is a much more complex game. And the consoles are dated hardware.

skrat_01

AI routines, nothing new, doesn't require modern hardware either. Their location and player modifiable interactions are in the save file. You can get NPC's to walk around and do different stuff at specific times in UO.

Quests, I'm sure, aren't very resource heavy, they're only small updates and triggers all over the place, again quests have been doable for a long time.

Dialogue are small audio files, though they can waste space in memory, they can be streamed no problem (eg. cd players)

Objects and locations, simple lines of code is all that's required to have them somewhere. (save files)

I'm pretty sure Skyrim's performance is more related to shoddy development, the game clearly didn't get any polish (eg. normal maps on NPC's being updated in hours by modders, major flaw in polish but easily fixed) That and I'm sure Skyrim runs a higher polycount than JC2 does in it's map in any given area.

"This is a game logging a huge number of variables, systems and characters as you play, as well as player interactions and progress; this side of items and everything else."

Yea, that kinda crap is stored in the save file, what about it?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

AI routines, nothing new, doesn't require modern hardware either. Their location and player modifiable interactions are in the save file. You can get NPC's to walk around and do different stuff at specific times in UO.

Quests, I'm sure, aren't very resource heavy, they're only small updates and triggers all over the place, again quests have been doable for a long time.

Dialogue are small audio files, though they can waste space in memory, they can be streamed no problem (eg. cd players)

Objects and locations, simple lines of code is all that's required to have them somewhere. (save files)

I'm pretty sure Skyrim's performance is more related to shoddy development, the game clearly didn't get any polish (eg. normal maps on NPC's being updated in hours by modders, major flaw in polish but easily fixed) That and I'm sure Skyrim runs a higher polycount than JC2 does in it's map in any given area.

Inconsistancy

"This is a game logging a huge number of variables, systems and characters as you play, as well as player interactions and progress; this side of items and everything else."

Yea, that kinda crap is stored in the save file, what about it?

JC2 keeps track of every destructible object, collectible, weapon upgrade, killable NPC, etc. and there's thousands of those. Also, it's not as empty as people think it is - the cities have a lot of NPCs and vehicles - not as many as GTA, but still a lot, and finally, it doesn't have loading screens and your maximum speed is a lot higher, meaning that the game must stream data faster.

KiZZo1

Gamebryo is a balls engine.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Uhm, are you serious?

There are ton of UNIQUE NPC's with AI routines, quests, dialogue all runnign loose on Skyrim. There are thousands of instances of items/objects that can be manipulated and picked up.

None of that is true for Just Cause 2.The NPC's there are just instanced bots with minimum reactive AI that spawn when the player gets close enough.

Skyrim is a much more complex game. And the consoles are dated hardware.

Thunderdrone

Because Skyrim is garbage? not sure, only that matters is that im not playing the game

finalstar2007