So Xbox One changes its policies? Does it actually matter now?

Well, they did it. They reversed all of their policies on DRM for the Xbox One....I'm still not buying one and I will be happy to explain why.

You see, Microsoft lit the gaming community on fire with all of its intrusive DRM, terrible policies and "Deal with it" responses. They fully and proudly announced all of these horribly intrusive hoops for consumers to jump through. This was no slight overlook, no this was balls out screwing the consumer and they knew it.

So they announced all these wonderful things going all out and acting proud of it at their press conference. Well the internet erupted into a volcano of hatred for weeks on end constantly, everywhere and what did Microsoft do? They said "Deal with it" they explained why the "Concept of ownership is morphing" by telling us how we should share our products we buy and own with Microsoft and do what they say with them, they spent weeks with interviews and conferences explaining why all this stuff is really ok and its for our own good and told us why we should just roll over and accept it. Lets face it, this has been going on for months before the E3 event unveiled all of their plans.

So after all of that they decided to reverse the policies they were slapping us with just a few days ago and expecting to not only put up with them, but pay for them as well.

Will I buy an Xbox One now that Microsoft has changed the policies that I so justifiably hated? No, I will not. Not even if they reduce the price and throw in a free game I will not buy an Xbox One.

"OHHHH BUT WHY????!!!!! They change what you hated you should like them now!" No, I should not like them now. They flip flopped over night, that does not suddenly make everything ok.

Despite changing their policies Microsoft is still the exact same company it was 2 days ago which we all hated and despised. Sure they changed policies but its still the same company. Do you honestly think the entire company suddenly had a epiphany and decided now it loves the consumers? Has our best interest at heart? And wants to become all of our best friends and show us how loved and adored we are as their customers? Wrong! Its the same company. They did not change their minds over night, and there is nothing to say they wont change it right back again at the drop of a hat.

Microsoft did not make these changes for the good of the consumer. They did not change anything to please its customers. They did not change anything to bring more value to us. They did not change anything in order to make us feel valuable. And they did not change anything to say they are sorry. They did however change things for the sake of profit and nothing else. They changed not because they wanted to, but because they were forced to.

Yes,

Microsoft stepped on a landmine they placed themselves, but now they're making an effort to amputate the puss infected leg to save the body.

In short, they are no longer a lost cause, but the odds of them clossing the finish line first on crutches are rather slim but atleast they will cross the line into nect, next gen.

In 2 years everyone will forget this was ever an issue. The reality is if you weren't gonna buy an X180 before, then its probably no different now. If its just the policy than we won, get over yourself. But the morals of a muli billion dollar corporation matter to people now like any of them wouldn't take you out back and rob your ass if they could? Bitch please. You choose gaming as the point where you're gonna give a shit? Fucuking problems. You never intended to buy it because you don't like MS. That's the actual truth. Can we stop having all this pretending shit?

Yes it matters. They did the right thing and now I'll probably get one at some point.

F*cking hell, you write as though you're a lover scorned. You want to feel valuable? You want to feel valued? Get a dog and feed it. Of course they did it for profit. Well, that's part of it. Not just profit but because in the world of throbbing cocks fighting for domination that Sony/Microsoft and co. live in it isn't enough to make money, much less have customers like your company, or feel valued (hahhah seriously?). Absolute domination and humiliation of the enemy + the total submission of a market is the only meat juicy enough to invite the shareholder's teeth and sate their ancient thirst for war and bloodshed.

It's not like it ever released with those policies in place and MS has plenty of loot for marketing the hell out of the One. A year from now this'll all just be a fart in the wind.getyeryayasout

Yes it matters. They did the right thing and now I'll probably get one at some point.

Bigboi500

[QUOTE="getyeryayasout"]It's not like it ever released with those policies in place and MS has plenty of loot for marketing the hell out of the One. A year from now this'll all just be a fart in the wind.voicereason

Yes it matters. They did the right thing and now I'll probably get one at some point.

Bigboi500

Let's hope they do.

And those poor, internet-less homeless people can go spend their two welfare checks on a supposed next-gen console.

TLDR.. but responding to the title..

Yes.  It mattered.  They now have a new customer (me) granted it'll be the last one I pick up in a few years probably. 

Sounds like MS cheated on you and spread your nudes on the internet.

cringe/10

Too little too late. Microsoft has already lost the lead to PS4, and now simply playing the "we don't suck anymore" card isn't going to be enough to win people back. In this race' if you take two steps backwards, you have to take four steps forward in the time it takes your opponent to take two. Microsoft took two steps backwards, and they took two steps forward due to the backlash, thus they are still behind Sony. They have to pay back the jilted customers with interest if they want any shot at first place.Timstuff

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Too little too late. Microsoft has already lost the lead to PS4, and now simply playing the "we don't suck anymore" card isn't going to be enough to win people back. In this race' if you take two steps backwards, you have to take four steps forward in the time it takes your opponent to take two. Microsoft took two steps backwards, and they took two steps forward due to the backlash, thus they are still behind Sony. They have to pay back the jilted customers with interest if they want any shot at first place.kingtito

If MS really wanted a digital future they would have included a swappable HDD and have game prices lowered. Games that retailed for $60 sell digitally for $40. That would have been too easy though. So they were hard at work finding ways to keep games highly priced and so the consumer ended up getting the shaft.

If you're presenting consumers with choice A and B (in this case physical and digital) but you really want them to take the second one what do you do? You don't screw over the guys choosing A so they are more likely to take choice B. You make choice B so damn desirable that it feels almost mandatory to go with it. You make people WANT choice B. Gamesharing at the cost of used games and mandatory Internet checks is not the way to go. You provide an INCENTIVE for people to go choice B. You have to make choice B so crazy good that people stop and think "goddamn that's awesome, I'm going with that." And what do people who still want choice A do? They just keep trucking along, nothing changes for them, don't fix what ain't broken yada yada. So goddamn easy.

Digital markets exist for books, Blu-rays, music and do just fine. And they still have the option of physical which some people enjoy. Why can't games be the same way?

well this just reaffirms to me why i never liked how ms does business....but im not going to be a fanboy about it. i hated how i was being forced to pick one system and im glad that gamers stood up to tell them that we arent takin their sh!t.

all these journalists and proponent for their drm says that we ruined the future. we didnt, because game sharing was possible with ps3 so i dont know why its not possible with xb1 just because we aren't willing to put up with a ridiculous drm. check ins arent necessary....and im sure there could have been a better solution to game pirating and used games that they were proposing...but whatever i hope they get new people to clean up that ms crap

i still have the kinect dealbreaker but im glad that i wasnt forced to boycott because when it comes down to it, xb1 will have good exclusives. 

Screwing the customer over? Can we then admit Steam is screwing customers over? Essentially what Microsoft tried to do was emulate Valve's Steam. Or can we admit that Sony repeatedly tried to screw the consumer over in the past. Hell, it tried to do nearly the same thing Microsoft did with the PS3. Didn't get that far beyond talk, like with Microsoft, and people still went to Sony. So why is Microsoft so special? Why are we so fixated on hating them? I'm very curious what makes them so much different? Why is everyone else eventually or begrudgingly forgiven. . but Microsoft is clearly the devil who'll change the policy back to the wicked DRM when we aren't looking? Surely then Sony'll swing back around and change their policy when convenient. Hell, Sony's going to charge for online now because it worked for Microsoft. Maybe if we make a showing of rage they'll change that back to completely free. . what? No? No one wants to roar over this one? Hmm.AncientDozer

Steam provides strong enough incentives that they make people want to go with them. MS's policy was to go buy another goddamn product if you couldn't roll with them.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Too little too late. Microsoft has already lost the lead to PS4, and now simply playing the "we don't suck anymore" card isn't going to be enough to win people back. In this race' if you take two steps backwards, you have to take four steps forward in the time it takes your opponent to take two. Microsoft took two steps backwards, and they took two steps forward due to the backlash, thus they are still behind Sony. They have to pay back the jilted customers with interest if they want any shot at first place.kingtito

Looking forward to buying an XO now that they changed this shit. Just not sure if it'll be a launch acquisition.

Now... let's hammer Microsoft and Sony for charging for online multiplayer :twisted:. Then, we can smash Microsoft on their terrible Windows 8 platform. Ah, a man can only wish. You sheeple won't do anything concerning paying for online though. Unequivocally saddening :(.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

If MS really wanted a digital future they would have included a swappable HDD and have game prices lowered. Games that retailed for $60 sell digitally for $40. That would have been too easy though. So they were hard at work finding ways to keep games highly priced and so the consumer ended up getting the shaft.

If you're presenting consumers with choice A and B (in this case physical and digital) but you really want them to take the second one what do you do? You don't screw over the guys choosing A so they are more likely to take choice B. You make choice B so damn desirable that it feels almost mandatory to go with it. You make people WANT choice B. Gamesharing at the cost of used games and mandatory Internet checks is not the way to go. You provide an INCENTIVE for people to go choice B. You have to make choice B so crazy good that people stop and think "goddamn that's awesome, I'm going with that." And what do people who still want choice A do? They just keep trucking along, nothing changes for them, don't fix what ain't broken yada yada. So goddamn easy.

Digital markets exist for books, Blu-rays, music and do just fine. And they still have the option of physical which some people enjoy. Why can't games be the same way?

AncientDozer

That is literally what I just posted. If MS wants people to go digital then make digital an enticing option and leave physical alone. Instead they screwed up and expected people to just roll with the punches.

Not level 10 AND ignoring the sticky. May the banhammer show you no mercy.

Most people aren't interested in holding grudges against companies. They get whatever products they feel is worth their time and money. MS could have ignored the backlash from gamers, but they didn't, and more people will be interested in getting an Xbox One as a result. Simple as that.

It's a step in the right direction which will benefit MS in the long run. But unfortunatley for the premiere realese of the consoles this holliday it's too little too late. They have already tainted their reputation, have a 100$ more expensive console with mandatory kinect. 

Still, a big chunck of console gamers are casuals that dont follow the prerelease information and probably still will buy x180. 

It's a step in the right direction which will benefit MS in the long run. But unfortunatley for the premiere realese of the consoles this holliday it's too little too late. They have already tainted their reputation, have a 100$ more expensive console with mandatory kinect. 

Still, a big chunck of console gamers are casuals that dont follow the prerelease information and probably still will buy x180. 

brodelin

first: sticky

second not a level 10

For right now, yes it matters. Next generation? Everything will be digital, and all three companies will be dragging console gamers into the digital age kicking and screaming. Not just Microsoft.

It's a step in the right direction which will benefit MS in the long run. But unfortunatley for the premiere realese of the consoles this holliday it's too little too late. They have already tainted their reputation, have a 100$ more expensive console with mandatory kinect. 

Still, a big chunck of console gamers are casuals that dont follow the prerelease information and probably still will buy x180. 

brodelin

Most people aren't interested in holding grudges against companies. They get whatever products they feel is worth their time and money. MS could have ignored the backlash from gamers, but they didn't, and more people will be interested in getting an Xbox One as a result. Simple as that.

tubbyc

Sticky, not level 10, hypocrite/thread 

I honestly don't get it. People bitch and moan about xbox one policies and now they changed it to the consumers liking, they still bitch and moan. I mean you honestly think any company cares about you? Sony did not go the route microsft did because the PS Vita failed miserably and they knew to back off of the digital market for now. You sound like you mom baked you a cake with pink frosting and you said mom i dont like pink frosting i want chocolate frosting. She bake it with chocolate frosting and u still dont want the fukking cake lol . i mean just suck it up kid...money makes the world go round 

Too little too late. Microsoft has already lost the lead to PS4, and now simply playing the "we don't suck anymore" card isn't going to be enough to win people back. In this race' if you take two steps backwards, you have to take four steps forward in the time it takes your opponent to take two. Microsoft took two steps backwards, and they took two steps forward due to the backlash, thus they are still behind Sony. They have to pay back the jilted customers with interest if they want any shot at first place.Timstuff

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"]Screwing the customer over? Can we then admit Steam is screwing customers over? Essentially what Microsoft tried to do was emulate Valve's Steam. Or can we admit that Sony repeatedly tried to screw the consumer over in the past. Hell, it tried to do nearly the same thing Microsoft did with the PS3. Didn't get that far beyond talk, like with Microsoft, and people still went to Sony. So why is Microsoft so special? Why are we so fixated on hating them? I'm very curious what makes them so much different? Why is everyone else eventually or begrudgingly forgiven. . but Microsoft is clearly the devil who'll change the policy back to the wicked DRM when we aren't looking? Surely then Sony'll swing back around and change their policy when convenient. Hell, Sony's going to charge for online now because it worked for Microsoft. Maybe if we make a showing of rage they'll change that back to completely free. . what? No? No one wants to roar over this one? Hmm.AncientDozer

Steam provides strong enough incentives that they make people want to go with them. MS's policy was to go buy another goddamn product if you couldn't roll with them.

It's not a matter of ambition it's a matter of MS expecting gamers to give up something with no real return. Lowering the prices on digital goods is a tried and true method to convinve people to give up a physical product. MS tried to come up with a way to avoid that though. Want people to solely buy new and/or digital? Make consumers want to then. Steam users have no problem with giving up ownership of games and their inability to trade or sell them because they're so cheap to begin with. Simple gamesharing obviously isn't something most people care about.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Too little too late. Microsoft has already lost the lead to PS4, and now simply playing the "we don't suck anymore" card isn't going to be enough to win people back. In this race' if you take two steps backwards, you have to take four steps forward in the time it takes your opponent to take two. Microsoft took two steps backwards, and they took two steps forward due to the backlash, thus they are still behind Sony. They have to pay back the jilted customers with interest if they want any shot at first place.I_can_haz

Yes, now they won't be in as bad as they would have been before (probably still behind Sony but who knows) and if they wipe out the Kinect and price tag then Next Gen is looking to be heating up.

[QUOTE="Broomes70"]

I honestly don't get it. People bitch and moan about xbox one policies and now they changed it to the consumers liking, they still bitch and moan. I mean you honestly think any company cares about you? Sony did not go the route microsft did because the PS Vita failed miserably and they knew to back off of the digital market for now. You sound like you mom baked you a cake with pink frosting and you said mom i dont like pink frosting i want chocolate frosting. She bake it with chocolate frosting and u still dont want the fukking cake lol . i mean just suck it up kid...money makes the world go round 

AncientDozer

Microsoft was trying to get more money to publishers (they didn't make anything from it). Without it they will take less chances and games will just be more of the same.