So you think online pass is bad... (pc drm)

Welcome to Batman: Arkham City, also known as drm the game.

Game uses Steamworks, Securom, and Games for Windows Live.

So I'm installing the game and I get the Securom pop up that tells me to input my cdkey. Then the game tells me I'm only allowed to install the game I own five times and that I only have four installs remaining. Well this is complete bs and I haven't seen many games using this system since Mass Effect, Bioshock, and Spore. And lets not forget to mention that Securom apparently can be damaging to your computer.

Next enter Steamworks. Steamworks isn't a big problem for me since I already use Steam anyway but why have Securom on a game that uses steamworks when I can't play the game without being signed into my Steam account.

Then we have the hated Games for Windows Live. I don't like GFWL so I immediately tried to skip the step but the game made me activate the game on gfwl also even though the game requires I have steam. So I signed into my profile and set the game to not automatically sign in and then I got a warning telling me that without signing into games for windows live, my game would be unable to save. That's complete bull ****.

So now I have three drm systems just messing up the game experience before I even begin to play. Well I guess this drm is needed to prevent pirates from playing, I mean there is no way pirates would be able to get around these systems. :roll:

LMFAO, that's awesome.

How utterly redundant... Or is it 3x the security for 3x less fun? Who knows?

so.... what happens if you're playing on a laptop on a road trip with no internet connection ? or if you're internet is flickering? or if one of them is on maintenance ?

Wow, now I feel kind of glad I didn't get the PC version. That is terrible, all three of those things? And I thought it was bad enough GTA IV used Windows Live. Yeesh.

Welcome to Batman: Arkham City, also known as drm the game.

Game uses Steamworks, Securom, and Games for Windows Live.

So I'm installing the game and I get the Securom pop up that tells me to input my cdkey. Then the game tells me I'm only allowed to install the game I own five times and that I only have four installs remaining. Well this is complete bs and I haven't seen many games using this system since Mass Effect, Bioshock, and Spore. And lets not forget to mention that Securom apparently can be damaging to your computer.

Next enter Steamworks. Steamworks isn't a big problem for me since I already use Steam anyway but why have Securom on a game that uses steamworks when I can't play the game without being signed into my Steam account.

Then we have the hated Games for Windows Live. I don't like GFWL so I immediately tried to skip the step but the game made me activate the game on gfwl also even though the game requires I have steam. So I signed into my profile and set the game to not automatically sign in and then I got a warning telling me that without signing into games for windows live, my game would be unable to save. That's complete bull ****.

So now I have three drm systems just messing up the game experience before I even begin to play. Well I guess this drm is needed to prevent pirates from playing, I mean there is no way pirates would be able to get around these systems. :roll:

SAGE_OF_FIRE

See!? See!? This is one of the reasonswhy thePC is not my primary game system anymore even though it's a powerfuli7 2600k / GTX 580 system. I hate DRM that requires you to be online to save your game, I hate DRM that requires you to be online to play even the single player off-line story, I hate DRM that limits how many times you can reinstall a game, and I hate Securom based on the bad stuff I read about it. However, I don't mind DRM that is just a code fora freeonline pass to play multiplayer online like they do now in console games if bought new and I don't mind being required to have the disk in the drive as a DRM like console games.

so.... what happens if you're playing on a laptop on a road trip with no internet connection ? or if you're internet is flickering? or if one of them is on maintenance ?

Joedgabe

Then you're likely SOL. This is why I prefer that Steamworks be the go-to option for DRM. It, at the very least, allows one to play games offline.

I pirated it tho, 360 version.Scumty

Thanks for making gaming a worse place, and contributing to the increasing paranoia and security measures publishers use.

I'm not going to say piracy is worse then stealing or whatever like those dumb commercials, but flaunting it and doing it without care is a great way to prove you are cheap and selfish and just do not care for the games industry.

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]

Welcome to Batman: Arkham City, also known as drm the game.

Game uses Steamworks, Securom, and Games for Windows Live.

So I'm installing the game and I get the Securom pop up that tells me to input my cdkey. Then the game tells me I'm only allowed to install the game I own five times and that I only have four installs remaining. Well this is complete bs and I haven't seen many games using this system since Mass Effect, Bioshock, and Spore. And lets not forget to mention that Securom apparently can be damaging to your computer.

Next enter Steamworks. Steamworks isn't a big problem for me since I already use Steam anyway but why have Securom on a game that uses steamworks when I can't play the game without being signed into my Steam account.

Then we have the hated Games for Windows Live. I don't like GFWL so I immediately tried to skip the step but the game made me activate the game on gfwl also even though the game requires I have steam. So I signed into my profile and set the game to not automatically sign in and then I got a warning telling me that without signing into games for windows live, my game would be unable to save. That's complete bull ****.

So now I have three drm systems just messing up the game experience before I even begin to play. Well I guess this drm is needed to prevent pirates from playing, I mean there is no way pirates would be able to get around these systems. :roll:

DJP3000

See!? See!? This is one of the reasonswhy thePC is not my primary game system anymore even though it's a powerfuli7 2600k / GTX 580 system. I hate DRM that requires you to be online to save your game, I hate DRM that requires you to be online to play even the single player off-line story, I hate DRM that limits how many times you can reinstall a game, and I hate Securom based on the bad stuff I read about it. However, I don't mind DRM that is just a code fora freeonline pass to play multiplayer online like they do now in console games if bought new and I don't mind being required to have the disk in the drive as a DRM like console games.

PC isn't your primary gaming system because a tiny fraction of PC games use DRM such as this?

PC isn't my primary gaming system either, but for a variety of reasons, not just DRM. Saying the DRM that encompasses a portion of games is your one reason is a little overkill, unless you exclusively happen to play only Ubisoft games.

DRM can be a contributing factor alongside exclusives you don't care for and an extra level of bugginess or compatibility issues (my main reasons), but DRM as the only reason?

Also, DX11 runs like ****. I get like 75+ fps with dx11 off and with it on I get like 8fps. SAGE_OF_FIRE

[QUOTE="DJP3000"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]

Welcome to Batman: Arkham City, also known as drm the game.

Game uses Steamworks, Securom, and Games for Windows Live.

So I'm installing the game and I get the Securom pop up that tells me to input my cdkey. Then the game tells me I'm only allowed to install the game I own five times and that I only have four installs remaining. Well this is complete bs and I haven't seen many games using this system since Mass Effect, Bioshock, and Spore. And lets not forget to mention that Securom apparently can be damaging to your computer.

Next enter Steamworks. Steamworks isn't a big problem for me since I already use Steam anyway but why have Securom on a game that uses steamworks when I can't play the game without being signed into my Steam account.

Then we have the hated Games for Windows Live. I don't like GFWL so I immediately tried to skip the step but the game made me activate the game on gfwl also even though the game requires I have steam. So I signed into my profile and set the game to not automatically sign in and then I got a warning telling me that without signing into games for windows live, my game would be unable to save. That's complete bull ****.

So now I have three drm systems just messing up the game experience before I even begin to play. Well I guess this drm is needed to prevent pirates from playing, I mean there is no way pirates would be able to get around these systems. :roll:

SW__Troll

See!? See!? This is one of the reasonswhy thePC is not my primary game system anymore even though it's a powerfuli7 2600k / GTX 580 system. I hate DRM that requires you to be online to save your game, I hate DRM that requires you to be online to play even the single player off-line story, I hate DRM that limits how many times you can reinstall a game, and I hate Securom based on the bad stuff I read about it. However, I don't mind DRM that is just a code fora freeonline pass to play multiplayer online like they do now in console games if bought new and I don't mind being required to have the disk in the drive as a DRM like console games.

PC isn't your primary gaming system because a tiny fraction of PC games use DRM such as this?

I'm not specifically referring to this game but DRM in games in general. I bought alot of games that used DRM that I don't like such as ACII, Splinter Cell Conviction, games that use Games for Windows DRM thatrequire you to be online to be able to save your progress, Sims 3, BF3, and more.

Wow that sounds awful. I hate GFWL as well. I may just skip Arkham City because of thisBPoole96

You can always buy the Xbox 360 or PS3 version if you have an Xbox 360 or a PS3. I thought it was a great game and I got it for the Xbox 360.

PC isn't my primary gaming system either, but for a variety of reasons, not just DRM. Saying the DRM that encompasses a portion of games is your one reason is a little overkill, unless you exclusively happen to play only Ubisoft games.

DRM can be a contributing factor alongside exclusives you don't care for and an extra level of bugginess or compatibility issues (my main reasons), but DRM as the only reason?

SPYDER0416

I said DRM is one of the reasons, not the only reason.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]Wow that sounds awful. I hate GFWL as well. I may just skip Arkham City because of thisDJP3000

You can always buy the Xbox 360 or PS3 version if you have an Xbox 360 or a PS3. I thought it was a great game and I got it for the Xbox 360.

A game shouldn't be allowed to have any other DRM when sold through Steam. :|Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]A game shouldn't be allowed to have any other DRM when sold through Steam. :|lowe0

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]A game shouldn't be allowed to have any other DRM when sold through Steam. :|lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]A game shouldn't be allowed to have any other DRM when sold through Steam. :|Kiro0

[QUOTE="Scumty"]I pirated it tho, 360 version.SPYDER0416

Thanks for making gaming a worse place, and contributing to the increasing paranoia and security measures publishers use.

Thank dumb developers and publishers for that. I can't even blame people for piracy in some cases, when the legal version is so full of DRM crap to a point where it becomes unbearable. Hell, I even know people who first bought a LEGAL copy of a game, and then pirated it anyway because they didn't want to have to cope with all the DRM annoyances.

Yeah it sucks, too bad, the PC version definitely needs to be rated lower because of these things. This is one of or could be my favourite game of the year but such things are very hard to overlook. It's as though they are begging you to pirate it.

well I got my copy for free from GMG, so I could care less tbh, I got it without steam though so its just 2 protections.

well I got my copy for free from GMG, so I could care less tbh, I got it without steam though so its just 2 protections.theshadowhunter

[QUOTE="theshadowhunter"]well I got my copy for free from GMG, so I could care less tbh, I got it without steam though so its just 2 protections.Hexagon_777

Probably a code with his GPU, I had one but gave it to a friend's kid.

Further proof that greedy developers see PC gamers for chumps that enjoy taking it up the rear(DRM and your computer ;)).

I pirated it tho, 360 version.Scumty

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="theshadowhunter"]well I got my copy for free from GMG, so I could care less tbh, I got it without steam though so its just 2 protections.GD1551

[QUOTE="GD1551"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]How did you get it for free?Hexagon_777

I'm pretty sure it worked with any DD service that is selling the game.

[QUOTE="DJP3000"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]Wow that sounds awful. I hate GFWL as well. I may just skip Arkham City because of thisBPoole96

You can always buy the Xbox 360 or PS3 version if you have an Xbox 360 or a PS3. I thought it was a great game and I got it for the Xbox 360.

[QUOTE="Scumty"]I pirated it tho, 360 version.SPYDER0416

Thanks for making gaming a worse place, and contributing to the increasing paranoia and security measures publishers use.

I'm not going to say piracy is worse then stealing or whatever like those dumb commercials, but flaunting it and doing it without care is a great way to prove you are cheap and selfish and just do not care for the games industry.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="DJP3000"]You can always buy the Xbox 360 or PS3 version if you have an Xbox 360 or a PS3. I thought it was a great game and I got it for the Xbox 360.drinkerofjuice

[QUOTE="Kiro0"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] If games with additional DRM still sell on Steam, what incentive does Valve have to enact such a restriction?Hexagon_777

I had similar problems with Dirt 3, in which there was actually a bug in the game which for some reason meant that the game recognized my GFWL account as invalid, even though it clearly wasn't since I was able to use all my other GFWL games, and that of course meant that I couldn't save my game, which was just complete crap. Frankly, I got so used to it that I stopped really caring about the whole thing. It just seems par for the course for PC games to have some kind of draconian DRM nowadays, I simply stopped worrying about it.

[QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]I could get it for the PS3 but I was really hoping to play it on my PC since the PC version looks sexyHexagon_777

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="Kiro0"]Well hopefully all the DRM will kill a few sales and move us a little closer to something like this.

TheShadowLord07

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]I hope so too. I also wish that a major company would experiment around with GOG by releasing a major, new release on there to see if it will do well, as GOG is 100% DRM free. When that happens, PC gamers will have to band together and put their wallet where their mouth is.Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"] um you're thinking of direct 2 drive not gog

TheShadowLord07

You should be thankful they didn't use Ubisoft's always Online DRM :P

That is unreal. At that point I would pirate the stupid game. Is it at all possible that some of the pirated copies were actually people who payed for the game but decided they could get a better DRM free copy?

Seriously, Steam is enough. Pirates will find a way. How about you stop trying to piss them off and just put your games out there. Don't punish the legitimate gamers, it just makes more pirates. I doubt people would steal music as much as they do if iTunes wasn't so unbelievable.

. I doubt people would steal music as much as they do if iTunes wasn't so unbelievable.

RandomWinner

Wow, that is... Terribad. What a joke.

Imagine someone whos a noob with computer trying to install this. He will give up after 10 seconds.