So...about PC and the SW Console Wars.

The PC is in the console war. It is a console in my views as much as the Ps3 or 360.

I myself have a gaming PC, along w/ all 3 of the next-gen consoles. I keep my PC updated, usually two updates yearly ~$500, and I don't regret it or claim PC gaming is expansive.

But in terms of the console wars, I often hear that the PC has the best version of multiplat games, and that is the case for me, and many System Warriors. But then when PS3/Wii/360 owners claim that PC gaming is expansive, we say no it isin't you can play the latest games with a two year old pc (which you may be able to play on medium settings at good framerate.).

Pc gaming does cost more if you want the BETTER game. No denying this, so fanboys don't.

SO I ask fellow Manticores and Hermits. What do we choose. Best Versions of Games but also Most expansive, or Competetivly priced and inferior multiplats (inferior compared to PS3/360, as in for example COD4 on Medium settings on PC at a steady framerate ~30FPS, vs. PS3/360 versions at 60FPS and its optimal settings...probably around high-max on the PC, more towards high settings).

So which one gamers?

Best Multiplats and Most exansive (latest games on very high-max) $1,500+

or

Inferior Multiplats and Less expansive (latest games on medium) ~$900

PCs are gaming platforms, yes, but not consoles. System Wars, and not consoles wars.DanBal76

way to misundrestand.

I'm asking, how do we count the PC, do we count it as Very Expansive and Best Gaming Experience or Cheaper (not much more expanisve then consoles) and inferior game experiences.

Its unfair to say for example that COD4 = best experience on PC, and then say you can get a good gaming PC for $800. Because w/ a PC for $800 you'll have a hard time playing COD4 on even medium settings.

[QUOTE="DanBal76"]PCs are gaming platforms, yes, but not consoles. System Wars, and not consoles wars.-D3MO-

way to misundrestand.

I'm asking, how do we count the PC, do we count it as Very Expansive and Best Gaming Experience or Cheaper (not much more expanisve then consoles) and inferior game experiences.

Its unfair to say for example that COD4 = best experience on PC, and then say you can get a good gaming PC for $800. Because w/ a PC for $800 you'll have a hard time playing COD4 on even medium settings.

iam pretty sure you could buy a 800$ pc that can handle COD4 on medium settings, especially with the 8800GT coming out, it would probly run it on high.

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

[QUOTE="DanBal76"]PCs are gaming platforms, yes, but not consoles. System Wars, and not consoles wars.Mizarus

way to misundrestand.

I'm asking, how do we count the PC, do we count it as Very Expansive and Best Gaming Experience or Cheaper (not much more expanisve then consoles) and inferior game experiences.

Its unfair to say for example that COD4 = best experience on PC, and then say you can get a good gaming PC for $800. Because w/ a PC for $800 you'll have a hard time playing COD4 on even medium settings.

iam pretty sure you could buy a 800$ pc that can handle COD4 on medium settings, especially with the 8800GT coming out, it would probly run it on high.

I doubt you can make an $800 PC, to run COD4 on HIGH settings. Remember we're not talking about upgrading, but building a full PC, Motherboard to the keyboard and mouse.

[QUOTE="DanBal76"]PCs are gaming platforms, yes, but not consoles. System Wars, and not consoles wars.-D3MO-

way to misundrestand.

I'm asking, how do we count the PC, do we count it as Very Expansive and Best Gaming Experience or Cheaper (not much more expanisve then consoles) and inferior game experiences.

Its unfair to say for example that COD4 = best experience on PC, and then say you can get a good gaming PC for $800. Because w/ a PC for $800 you'll have a hard time playing COD4 on even medium settings.

Actually CoD4 is very easy to max out. The only game you couldnt max out on a $800 PC is Crysis. Unless you mean including a new monitor and case etc in the $800 budget. Then it might be sqeezing it for a few games like UT3/crysis/FSX etc.

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

[QUOTE="DanBal76"]PCs are gaming platforms, yes, but not consoles. System Wars, and not consoles wars.Wartzay

way to misundrestand.

I'm asking, how do we count the PC, do we count it as Very Expansive and Best Gaming Experience or Cheaper (not much more expanisve then consoles) and inferior game experiences.

Its unfair to say for example that COD4 = best experience on PC, and then say you can get a good gaming PC for $800. Because w/ a PC for $800 you'll have a hard time playing COD4 on even medium settings.

Actually CoD4 is very easy to max out. The only game you couldnt max out on a $800 PC is Crysis. Unless you mean including a new monitor and case etc in the $800 budget. Then it might be sqeezing it for a few games like UT3/crysis/FSX etc.

By full PC I mean, Motherboard, CPU, GPU, Case, RAM, Power Supply, M+K, Hard-Drive, CD/DVD Drive. No Monitor since we don't count TV's part of a consoles price.

expansive = large, open, spatious

expensive = costly, valuable

[QUOTE="Wartzay"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

[QUOTE="DanBal76"]PCs are gaming platforms, yes, but not consoles. System Wars, and not consoles wars.-D3MO-

way to misundrestand.

I'm asking, how do we count the PC, do we count it as Very Expansive and Best Gaming Experience or Cheaper (not much more expanisve then consoles) and inferior game experiences.

Its unfair to say for example that COD4 = best experience on PC, and then say you can get a good gaming PC for $800. Because w/ a PC for $800 you'll have a hard time playing COD4 on even medium settings.

Actually CoD4 is very easy to max out. The only game you couldnt max out on a $800 PC is Crysis. Unless you mean including a new monitor and case etc in the $800 budget. Then it might be sqeezing it for a few games like UT3/crysis/FSX etc.

By full PC I mean, Motherboard, CPU, GPU, Case, RAM, Power Supply, M+K, Hard-Drive, CD/DVD Drive. No Monitor since we don't count TV's part of a consoles price.

could shave off that $21 if I went with an AMD CPU, but I figured it was close enough.

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=4208569

Edit: whoops, apparently that 8800GT is out of stock atm.

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="Wartzay"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

[QUOTE="DanBal76"]PCs are gaming platforms, yes, but not consoles. System Wars, and not consoles wars.Wartzay

way to misundrestand.

I'm asking, how do we count the PC, do we count it as Very Expansive and Best Gaming Experience or Cheaper (not much more expanisve then consoles) and inferior game experiences.

Its unfair to say for example that COD4 = best experience on PC, and then say you can get a good gaming PC for $800. Because w/ a PC for $800 you'll have a hard time playing COD4 on even medium settings.

Actually CoD4 is very easy to max out. The only game you couldnt max out on a $800 PC is Crysis. Unless you mean including a new monitor and case etc in the $800 budget. Then it might be sqeezing it for a few games like UT3/crysis/FSX etc.

By full PC I mean, Motherboard, CPU, GPU, Case, RAM, Power Supply, M+K, Hard-Drive, CD/DVD Drive. No Monitor since we don't count TV's part of a consoles price.

could shave off that $21 if I went with an AMD CPU, but I figured it was close enough.

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=4208569

Edit: whoops, apparently that 8800GT is out of stock atm.

what about an operating system? and a IC2D E6300? 1.86GHz? hmm...idk about that...

[QUOTE="Wartzay"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="Wartzay"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

[QUOTE="DanBal76"]PCs are gaming platforms, yes, but not consoles. System Wars, and not consoles wars.-D3MO-

way to misundrestand.

I'm asking, how do we count the PC, do we count it as Very Expansive and Best Gaming Experience or Cheaper (not much more expanisve then consoles) and inferior game experiences.

Its unfair to say for example that COD4 = best experience on PC, and then say you can get a good gaming PC for $800. Because w/ a PC for $800 you'll have a hard time playing COD4 on even medium settings.

Actually CoD4 is very easy to max out. The only game you couldnt max out on a $800 PC is Crysis. Unless you mean including a new monitor and case etc in the $800 budget. Then it might be sqeezing it for a few games like UT3/crysis/FSX etc.

By full PC I mean, Motherboard, CPU, GPU, Case, RAM, Power Supply, M+K, Hard-Drive, CD/DVD Drive. No Monitor since we don't count TV's part of a consoles price.

could shave off that $21 if I went with an AMD CPU, but I figured it was close enough.

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=4208569

Edit: whoops, apparently that 8800GT is out of stock atm.

what about an operating system? and a IC2D E6300? 1.86GHz? hmm...idk about that...

hm, forgot the OS, (as usual since I always reuse my OS's :P)

the c2d is fine. And if you want some extra juice it will easily go to 2.5ghz on stock cooling no increase in volts, and 2.8ghz with a nice cooler and no extra volts.

however... this needs some shaving. What OS? vista or XP?

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="Wartzay"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="Wartzay"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

[QUOTE="DanBal76"]PCs are gaming platforms, yes, but not consoles. System Wars, and not consoles wars.Wartzay

way to misundrestand.

I'm asking, how do we count the PC, do we count it as Very Expansive and Best Gaming Experience or Cheaper (not much more expanisve then consoles) and inferior game experiences.

Its unfair to say for example that COD4 = best experience on PC, and then say you can get a good gaming PC for $800. Because w/ a PC for $800 you'll have a hard time playing COD4 on even medium settings.

Actually CoD4 is very easy to max out. The only game you couldnt max out on a $800 PC is Crysis. Unless you mean including a new monitor and case etc in the $800 budget. Then it might be sqeezing it for a few games like UT3/crysis/FSX etc.

By full PC I mean, Motherboard, CPU, GPU, Case, RAM, Power Supply, M+K, Hard-Drive, CD/DVD Drive. No Monitor since we don't count TV's part of a consoles price.

could shave off that $21 if I went with an AMD CPU, but I figured it was close enough.

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=4208569

Edit: whoops, apparently that 8800GT is out of stock atm.

what about an operating system? and a IC2D E6300? 1.86GHz? hmm...idk about that...

hm, forgot the OS, (as usual since I always reuse my OS's :P)

the c2d is fine. And if you want some extra juice it will easily go to 2.5ghz on stock cooling no increase in volts, and 2.8ghz with a nice cooler and no extra volts.

however... this needs some shaving. What OS? vista or XP?

XP preferably, Vista for the future....

[QUOTE="Wartzay"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="Wartzay"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="Wartzay"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

[QUOTE="DanBal76"]PCs are gaming platforms, yes, but not consoles. System Wars, and not consoles wars.-D3MO-

way to misundrestand.

I'm asking, how do we count the PC, do we count it as Very Expansive and Best Gaming Experience or Cheaper (not much more expanisve then consoles) and inferior game experiences.

Its unfair to say for example that COD4 = best experience on PC, and then say you can get a good gaming PC for $800. Because w/ a PC for $800 you'll have a hard time playing COD4 on even medium settings.

Actually CoD4 is very easy to max out. The only game you couldnt max out on a $800 PC is Crysis. Unless you mean including a new monitor and case etc in the $800 budget. Then it might be sqeezing it for a few games like UT3/crysis/FSX etc.

By full PC I mean, Motherboard, CPU, GPU, Case, RAM, Power Supply, M+K, Hard-Drive, CD/DVD Drive. No Monitor since we don't count TV's part of a consoles price.

could shave off that $21 if I went with an AMD CPU, but I figured it was close enough.

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=4208569

Edit: whoops, apparently that 8800GT is out of stock atm.

what about an operating system? and a IC2D E6300? 1.86GHz? hmm...idk about that...

hm, forgot the OS, (as usual since I always reuse my OS's :P)

the c2d is fine. And if you want some extra juice it will easily go to 2.5ghz on stock cooling no increase in volts, and 2.8ghz with a nice cooler and no extra volts.

however... this needs some shaving. What OS? vista or XP?

XP preferably, Vista for the future....

hm, well I could do it if I could find a 8800GT 256mb($200), or if I dumped the 8800 and went with a x1950xt or something. Oh well.

Edit: its updated anyhow. Went with a 65nm 5000+ and a am2/am2+ mobo so it could be used for AMD's Phenom CPU whenever it comes out.

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=4208569

EDIT2: also video card prices could be crashing even more in a few weeks since AMD and nVidia are releasing new cards.

EDIT3: nice thing about the 8800GT though is you get just a tad less (5%ish) the power of a 8800GTX for a little more than half the price.

So which one gamers?

Best Multiplats and Most exansive (latest games on very high-max) $1,500+

or

Inferior Multiplats and Less expansive (latest games on medium) ~$900

-D3MO-

Anyway, I think it should be counted as the most expensive system, but not as a 1.5K system, that's too expensive, running games on high at a decent res and fps is more like $800 for the whole thing. Ther reasons we shouldn't use a PC that can max out every game as an example is that they might not even exist at the time the game is released. It doesn't always automatically have the best multiplats either, just like a cheaper PC doesn't always automatically have inferior multiplats.

the PC was not made for gaming.

/thread.

the PC was not made for gaming.

/thread.

XenoNinja

hehe, arent they cute when they're so young and ignorant.

[QUOTE="Wartzay"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

[QUOTE="DanBal76"]PCs are gaming platforms, yes, but not consoles. System Wars, and not consoles wars.-D3MO-

way to misundrestand.

I'm asking, how do we count the PC, do we count it as Very Expansive and Best Gaming Experience or Cheaper (not much more expanisve then consoles) and inferior game experiences.

Its unfair to say for example that COD4 = best experience on PC, and then say you can get a good gaming PC for $800. Because w/ a PC for $800 you'll have a hard time playing COD4 on even medium settings.

Actually CoD4 is very easy to max out. The only game you couldnt max out on a $800 PC is Crysis. Unless you mean including a new monitor and case etc in the $800 budget. Then it might be sqeezing it for a few games like UT3/crysis/FSX etc.

By full PC I mean, Motherboard, CPU, GPU, Case, RAM, Power Supply, M+K, Hard-Drive, CD/DVD Drive. No Monitor since we don't count TV's part of a consoles price.

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

the PC was not made for gaming.

/thread.

Wartzay

hehe, arent they cute when they're so young and ignorant.

Ahhhhh.

I like both.

[QUOTE="DanBal76"]PCs are gaming platforms, yes, but not consoles. System Wars, and not consoles wars.-D3MO-

way to misundrestand.

I'm asking, how do we count the PC, do we count it as Very Expansive and Best Gaming Experience or Cheaper (not much more expanisve then consoles) and inferior game experiences.

Its unfair to say for example that COD4 = best experience on PC, and then say you can get a good gaming PC for $800. Because w/ a PC for $800 you'll have a hard time playing COD4 on even medium settings.

We count it at is full potential, as is done with all platforms.

PC is the best for over all quality, my PC is more powerful than any of the consoles on the market right now. But not all the games I'm interested in are on PC.

Like I'm sure Mass Effect, Fable 2, Gears of War 2 etc will be ported to the PC eventually. But I don't want to wait, I hate having to wait when something is available elsewhere.

Also I wouldn't be able to play Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy, Infinite Undiscovery, White Knight Story, Cry On, Ninja Gaiden, God of War, Forza Motorsport, Grand Turismo, Grand Theft Auto 4 etc. I love action games and JRPGs, those are two genres the PC lacks. But the RTS, FPS, Western RPGs (Even if it's released late), MMORPGs are all best on PC.

Seems like PC is getting some crap exclusives so I would choose a console anyway. The graphical difference between a console and a PC at the moment isn't that big either.Supafly1

Yet by gamespot, it gets the most exclusive AAA's and AA's... Hmmm

Seems like PC is getting some crap exclusives so I would choose a console anyway. The graphical difference between a console and a PC at the moment isn't that big either.Supafly1

Crap exclusives ... what?

[QUOTE="Supafly1"]Seems like PC is getting some crap exclusives so I would choose a console anyway. The graphical difference between a console and a PC at the moment isn't that big either.Meu2k7

Crap exclusives ... what?

Don't worry about it. When they know they can't compete, they ignore.

[QUOTE="Supafly1"]Seems like PC is getting some crap exclusives so I would choose a console anyway. The graphical difference between a console and a PC at the moment isn't that big either.Meu2k7

Crap exclusives ... what?

We count it at is full potential, as is done with all platforms.

Meu2k7

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

We count it at is full potential, as is done with all platforms.

Drathyl

You can build a PC for around $800 that will surpass a console in every way.. Not to mention it can do things other then play games, sorry alot of people arn't 12 year olds that just play video games.. Some of us need it for school/College, work, media, etc etc.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

We count it at is full potential, as is done with all platforms.

Drathyl

Fine by me. here in the UK my PC that runs Crysis on Very High and slaughters everything else ... costs less than the 3 consoles combined , I suppose US is the exception to that rule though.

So which one gamers?

Best Multiplats and Most exansive (latest games on very high-max) $1,500+

or

Inferior Multiplats and Less expansive (latest games on medium) ~$900

-D3MO-

$900 on consoles, thanks for playing.

Here'sa computer on sale this week for exactly $799 from ibuypower.com.

AMD Athlon-64X2 6000+ CPU
Nvidia Chipset DDR2 PCI-Express MB
2GB DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory
320GB 7200 rpm SATA-2 HDD
18x Double Layer DVD+/-RW
2x NVIDIA GeForce 8500GT 512MB 16x PCI-Express Video
7.1 Channel Surround Sound
Xion Dazl Gaming Tower Case w/MOD Window

That could probably run most games medium/high.

Here'sa computer on sale this week for exactly $799 from ibuypower.com.

AMD Athlon-64X2 6000+ CPU
Nvidia Chipset DDR2 PCI-Express MB
2GB DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory
320GB 7200 rpm SATA-2 HDD
18x Double Layer DVD+/-RW
2x NVIDIA GeForce 8500GT 512MB 16x PCI-Express Video
7.1 Channel Surround Sound
Xion Dazl Gaming Tower Case w/MOD Window

That could probably run most games medium/high.

deangallop

Here'sa computer on sale this week for exactly $799 from ibuypower.com.

AMD Athlon-64X2 6000+ CPU
Nvidia Chipset DDR2 PCI-Express MB
2GB DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory
320GB 7200 rpm SATA-2 HDD
18x Double Layer DVD+/-RW
2x NVIDIA GeForce 8500GT 512MB 16x PCI-Express Video
7.1 Channel Surround Sound
Xion Dazl Gaming Tower Case w/MOD Window

That could probably run most games medium/high.

deangallop

sorry but those GPUs are a POS. It will run most games on medium/low

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Here'sa computer on sale this week for exactly $799 from ibuypower.com.

AMD Athlon-64X2 6000+ CPU
Nvidia Chipset DDR2 PCI-Express MB
2GB DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory
320GB 7200 rpm SATA-2 HDD
18x Double Layer DVD+/-RW
2x NVIDIA GeForce 8500GT 512MB 16x PCI-Express Video
7.1 Channel Surround Sound
Xion Dazl Gaming Tower Case w/MOD Window

That could probably run most games medium/high.

Wartzay

sorry but those GPUs are a POS. It will run most games on medium/low