Some perspective for the people claiming the ps3 is a "failure"

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#1 Citan_Uzuki
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I have seen many people say this although not so much lately but there is still a few people who seem to beleieve this.

They keep saying how lost marketshare means the ps3 is a failure fact is the ps3 is on pace to outsell the GC and original xbox(at a higher price point, not to mention the surge of sales it will get when it reaches around the $250 point in say 12-16 months). The lost marketshare is due to the fact that the competition actually stepped up this gen .

Nintendo aggresively went after the casual market with cheaper hardware a broader spectrum of family/casual friendly games and low developing costs. Because of the cheaper hardware/low developing costs its very low risk for devlopers especially now with its install base. They aggresively used marketing to show wii as a hip device like apple did with the ipod. Its still selling very well and has a solid library, its the undisputed sales winner of this gen hands down unless sales drastically drop off or nintendo relases a system early(both of which are about as likely to happen as the zombie apocalypse)

Microsoft launched early, spent tons on marketing and bought 3rd party support and exclusives. the 360 is ahead of the ps3 but is still within range of the ps3 catching it at somepoint this gen. It has the best current library and online service lowest initial price and is still barely out pacing the ps3 worldwide and has only been doing so since the price drop. Microsoft fought hard for the hardcore audience and they have it at the moment but day by day its momentum is slowing the big realeases have come with few known hits on the horizon it seems to be losing some of its steam and while still a great value is future in this gen is a big question mark as to where it will finish 2nd or 3rd, highly dependent on it upcoming games which at the moment is up in the air nobody really knows much about where its going but right now is the best bang for your buck especially for the hardcore gamer and online gamer.

Sony stumbled out of the blocks this gen expensive hardware, limited library sony made mistakes(focusing on cell and bluray hurt them but in the end made the system better but kept manufacturing costs high). As time has gone by its has improved its library signifigantly and with the exception of 360's first year of games has close to the same number of high quality exclusives keeping pace with the 360(since the 2nd half of last year most would argue it has outpaced the 360 in quality exclusives). It has the nex-gen movie format, free online and is currently the best "value" in hardware out of the 3. Sony is close to profitability on the ps3 after about 2 years which is roughly where they have tarditionally started to make money on their consoles(in the 3rd and 4th year).

What I'm saying is yes sony made a few mistakes but the fierce competition is why they are behind not because the system itself is a failure. At its current pace it could very easily do 50-60 million in install base at the end of its lifespan which would place it roughly ahead of the snes and n64(acording to wikipedia) and well ahead of the GC and orginal xbox all of which many people consider great systems. If you gauge failure based on losing marketshare its pretty hard for sony to do anything but fail considering the monsterous numbers the psx and ps2 reached. personally I'm a sony support have been since I switched to the psx from my snes. I'm very happy with my ps3 don't have a wii or 360 but think they are good systems. To be honest although a little off topic I think the ps3 will pass the 360 eventually cause MS seems to be gambling its future for short term success in the pocketbook(spending on 3rd party exclusives, folding development houses, letting bungie go 2nd party) which I think will hurt in the long run.

Just figured it was time for a little perspective for some of those people who still think its a failure now freel free to rip my post apart in classic SW style.

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#2 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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They won't do it because it's too much to read
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#3 mattbbpl
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From a business perspective, I have to think that Sony internally considers it a failure. Marketshare is down, profits are down, and the brand has been tarnished. From a gaming platform perspective - well, that's up to each individual consumer.
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#4 _Pinbot_
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I give a person 3 lines to make their point. After that it is usually just pointless rambling or fanboy inspired whining. Your post may be relevent, but the fanboys before you have riuned it for me.
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#5 Citan_Uzuki
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They won't do it because it's too much to readbez2083
probably, just putting my 2 cents out there. Although being on a forum reading shouldn't be the issue.
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#6 hakanakumono
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I don't think your topic provides much perspective for why the PS3 isn't as much of a failure. It almost makes it seem worse.

There is always going to be competition and its not like they weren't trying last gen. Sony made some bad decisions and they're going to have to deal with it.

I think some more appropriate perspective is the fact that as production costs go down, the PS3 could end up being profitable for Sony. Don't chronicle a poor start, look to hope for the future.

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#7 TenP
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I don't consider the PS3 a failure, I consider it a weaklink of the excellent PlayStation Franchise.

It's not that it's bad, it's just not what we've come to know and love from Sony Consoles.

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#8 Citan_Uzuki
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I don't think your topic provides much perspective for why the PS3 isn't as much of a failure. It almost makes it seem worse.

There is always going to be competition and its not like they weren't trying last gen. Sony made some bad decisions and they're going to have to deal with it.

I think some more appropriate perspective is the fact that as production costs go down, the PS3 could end up being profitable for Sony.

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I was pointing out the competition has been alot better this gen nintendo played it safe last gen and MS was still getting its foot in the door. MS launched early and got 3rd perties to bring over franchises or make exclusives. Nintendo aggressive promoted the image of the wii as hip and went after the casual market. Last gen the competition wasn't as good(I'm sure they were trying) but if you look at what they did last gen they didn't really put up nearly as much of a fight the ps2 got an early lead and this helped propel it to the extremely high install base it has. I'm pointing out the fact that a profitable system(it will be profitable by the end of this year most likely) that ends up with a higher install base than most previous "successful" consoles cannot and is not a failure regardless if sony loses marketshare from last gen. Mistakes and Failure are 2 different things but alot of people around here seem to think that they are the same.
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If you mean some perspective as in "let's all look at it with rose-tinted huge fugly glasses", sure please go ahead. Not that I see a point to it. :roll:
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#10 Citan_Uzuki
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If you mean some perspective as in "let's all look at it with rose-tinted huge fugly glasses", sure please go ahead. Not that I see a point to it. :roll:taker42
no.... more like looking at what made consoles in the past a success and comparing them no its not the psx or ps2 but a failure it is not. If you don't see a point in making arguments for or against a system what are you doing in SW.
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#11 djsifer01
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Its way to early in this Gen to call anything a faliure. PS3 has at least 6 more years of life span and anything can happen in that amount of time. Dont be suprised if by the end of its life span it has sold as many units as PS2.
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#12 atarigrad
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It not being first and having to learn some humility is a failure then yes it is. But hopefully Sony will finally get it. There is a ceiling for price and people stopped believing there hype machine. I own a PS3 and 360 and honestly. I enjoy both. But I couldn't live without my 360. The controllers are better, the online service is better and the games have been better. PS3 games are finally catching up but I think is good for the market. The only negative I see is all the Shovel ware Nintendo is allowing on the street. Truthfully I hope people will in the next couple years see through these shallow and poor quality games and finally jump on Sony and Microsofts console and see all the quality of games available. So to answer your question. I will say no it's not a failure because SOny will learn from this and be more humble.

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#13 mattbbpl
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Its way to early in this Gen to call anything a faliure. PS3 has at least 6 more years of life span and anything can happen in that amount of time. Dont be suprised if by the end of its life span it has sold as many units as PS2.djsifer01
I don't know if Sony will stick with the 8 to 10 year lifespan if the PS3 doesn't pick up some marketshare. Most companies aren't willing to support a product if it isn't likely to continue turning a profit. We'll just have to see what happens with the PS3's prospects in the future.
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Microsoft launched early, spent tons on marketing and bought 3rd party support and exclusives. the 360 is ahead of the ps3 but is still within range of the ps3 catching it at somepoint this gen.

Citan_Uzuki
Has this not already been proven mathematically impossible?
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#15 taker42
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[QUOTE="taker42"]If you mean some perspective as in "let's all look at it with rose-tinted huge fugly glasses", sure please go ahead. Not that I see a point to it. :roll:Citan_Uzuki
no.... more like looking at what made consoles in the past a success and comparing them no its not the psx or ps2 but a failure it is not. If you don't see a point in making arguments for or against a system what are you doing in SW.

I don't see a point in making excuses for a company you don't work for. Valid arguments (well sorta) are perfectly fine. But your thread is pure cow propaganda. Downplay the bad, expand the good till it fills the whole bloody room. And if it's really doing good, there's little need on some perspective, the normal one would be fine.
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#16 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="Citan_Uzuki"]Microsoft launched early, spent tons on marketing and bought 3rd party support and exclusives. the 360 is ahead of the ps3 but is still within range of the ps3 catching it at somepoint this gen.

Ninja-Hippo
Has this not already been proven mathematically impossible?

It's mathematically unlikely, but not impossible. Some people will choose to cling to that small possibility, no matter how unlikely it is.
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#17 EndorphinMaster
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PS3 is a great console with awesome games, but it can be considered a pretty big failure when compared to the previous PS consoles. Also, PS3 wiped out all the profits made on PS2
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#18 EndorphinMaster
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[QUOTE="Citan_Uzuki"][QUOTE="taker42"]If you mean some perspective as in "let's all look at it with rose-tinted huge fugly glasses", sure please go ahead. Not that I see a point to it. :roll:taker42
no.... more like looking at what made consoles in the past a success and comparing them no its not the psx or ps2 but a failure it is not. If you don't see a point in making arguments for or against a system what are you doing in SW.

I don't see a point in making excuses for a company you don't work for. Valid arguments (well sorta) are perfectly fine. But your thread is pure cow propaganda. Downplay the bad, expand the good till it fills the whole bloody room. And if it's really doing good, there's little need on some perspective, the normal one would be fine.

well said sir