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#1 alfy13
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k gamespot gave forza 2 a 9 on graphics. now today i was usual debating with the fanboys of a certain system that i also own. but for some reason these fanboys told me there was no jaggies. but when did borrow the game , forza 2 was king of jaggies . so did GS gave a 9 on graphics because it has jaggies, or gave it a 9 on graphics for photomode and reply video? because if it was for ingame , then yah GS is either recieved another copy of forza 2 that no else has seen or what. any how so where the fanboys blind and love the jaggies, or straight denial?

but IGN gave it a 7 due to jaggies in fact here is a quote "Jaggies, jaggies, and more jaggies. At times, it appears this is LEGO Forza Motorsport 2. The drab colors and weak art design don't help. 60fps is welcome, though"

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/792/792572p3.html

here is a quote from gamespy "Our final gripe is that there is a surprising amount of jagginess in some of the cars. Sure, the sloping curved surfaces of many of the cars lend to stair-stepping, but isn't that what anti-aliasing is for? It was surprising to see this on an Xbox 360 game in 2007. "

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=781895

from teamxbox an 8.3 on graphics which is about right, but a 8 from gs sheesh"
Car tuning is a series of compromises, which holds true for the graphics in a high end sim as well. Flat as a board comes to mind."

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=780519

here is a quote from 1up "

it's pretty much Forza 1 with updated graphics -- which is great, but I was hoping for a slightly larger step forward.

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3159906

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#2 musicalmac  Moderator
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Back. Under. Your. Bridge. How many times are you going to post the same thing?
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#3 alfy13
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Back. Under. Your. Bridge. How many times are you going to post the same thing? musicalmac
speaking of the devil. here is one of the fanboys of a certain system who thinks forza 2 had no jaggies. but yet ign says it does. who word will i take .
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Back. Under. Your. Bridge. How many times are you going to post the same thing? musicalmac

Lol yea he is posting the same thing over and over, just wording it a bit different. :shock:

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#5 alfy13
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Back. Under. Your. Bridge. How many times are you going to post the same thing? Magical_Zebra

Lol yea he is posting the same thing over and over, just wording it a bit different. :shock:

i take it you didnt read IGN quote Lego Forza 2 lol.
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#6 Locke562
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Cool, I'll say it as well:

Back. Under. Your. Bridge. How many times are you going to post the same thing?
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#7 Heil68
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I think we all here at SW know you dislike the score the game got here at GS. Thanks for the extra reminder...
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#8 akuma303x
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TV's are not created equal.
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#9 Bill_McBlumpkin
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I'm not a fanboy at all, and I couldn't care less about Forza (don't like racing games,) but I have to admit man - regardless of what type of fanboy you are your posts are very annoying - even by System Wars standards (and that's saying a lot.)

Just being honest.

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#10 alfy13
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Cool, I'll say it as well:

Back. Under. Your. Bridge. How many times are you going to post the same thing?Locke562
o h im sorry, last time i made a post i didnt have the proof or links, so that thread = the fail. but this thread is different, i now have proof that jaggies where there and a 9 for graphics is umm kinda high for a lego game, i mean forza 2.
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In the old system, graphics were rated off of technical merit, artistic quality and overall presentation. The scores were never designed to be compared across platforms of genres. Jaggies mean nothing if you play on a SDTV.
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Back. Under. Your. Bridge. How many times are you going to post the same thing? alfy13
speaking of the devil. here is one of the fanboys of a certain system who thinks forza 2 had no jaggies. but yet ign says it does. who word will i take .

I suppose I should link to the other topics, as we really don't need another about Forza 2's graphics. I mean, we've had plenty already. http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25730168 . http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25729895 . http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25729308 . http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25730289 . Forza 2 looks great. In no way does it warrant such obviously exaggerated criticism.
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The jaggies actually depend on your tv. In standard definition there are no jaggies, in HD there are jaggies. I've heard that in smaller hd, like under 40", there are no jaggies also, but it's just the bigger HDTVs that show jaggies.
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#14 DA_B0MB
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Yea, I have Forza 2 it does have a pretty decent amount of jaggies, but the gameplay is all there. The game looks good, not great, not superb, but good. But once agian, the gameplay is awesome and that's what matters most.
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#15 alfy13
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[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Back. Under. Your. Bridge. How many times are you going to post the same thing? musicalmac
speaking of the devil. here is one of the fanboys of a certain system who thinks forza 2 had no jaggies. but yet ign says it does. who word will i take .

I suppose I should link to the other topics, as we really don't need another about Forza 2's graphics. I mean, we've had plenty already. http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25730168 . http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25729895 . http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25729308 . http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25730289 . Forza 2 looks great. In no way does it warrant such obviously exaggerated criticism.

oh the damage control has just begin, btw music here is a quote from 1up btw it's pretty much Forza 1 with updated graphics -- which is great, but I was hoping for a slightly larger step forward. http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3159906

got to love forza 2fans that are in straight denial.

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The jaggies actually depend on your tv. In standard definition there are no jaggies, in HD there are jaggies. I've heard that in smaller hd, like under 40", there are no jaggies also, but it's just the bigger HDTVs that show jaggies.LakeFPownsu
mine is a 37" 720p. no jaggies period.
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#17 darkmanure
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Actually he's the fanboy that bash 360 game hype like fanboys that bash PS3 games. Funny how a Gran Turismo "killer" scored a 7 in graphics.

That's for all the people who said Forza will kill GT.

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#18 alfy13
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The jaggies actually depend on your tv. In standard definition there are no jaggies, in HD there are jaggies. I've heard that in smaller hd, like under 40", there are no jaggies also, but it's just the bigger HDTVs that show jaggies.LakeFPownsu
so your telling me that companies like IGN, Gamespy, 1up, and Teamxbox cant afford 45+ hdtv's and that they play on SDTV's? sorry but i think ill take their world over yours.
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In the old system, graphics were rated off of technical merit, artistic quality and overall presentation. The scores were never designed to be compared across platforms of genres. Jaggies mean nothing if you play on a SDTV.foxhound_fox

which is why i dont care wut ihe says the game looks perfect on my sdtv....

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#20 Heil68
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Yea, I have Forza 2 it does have a pretty decent amount of jaggies, but the gameplay is all there. The game looks good, not great, not superb, but good. But once agian, the gameplay is awesome and that's what matters most. DA_B0MB
You mean the game play matters? wow...just like if reviewers score Halo3 low, I don't care, I'll get it anyways...let it go man
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Back. Under. Your. Bridge. How many times are you going to post the same thing? alfy13

speaking of the devil. here is one of the fanboys of a certain system who thinks forza 2 had no jaggies. but yet ign says it does. who word will i take .

I suppose I should link to the other topics, as we really don't need another about Forza 2's graphics. I mean, we've had plenty already. http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25730168 . http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25729895 . http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25729308 . http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25730289 . Forza 2 looks great. In no way does it warrant such obviously exaggerated criticism.

oh the damage control has just begin, btw music here is a quote from 1up btw it's pretty much Forza 1 with updated graphics -- which is great, but I was hoping for a slightly larger step forward. http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3159906

got to love forza 2fans that are in straight denial.

I was just merely showing the history of the topic. How that is damage control, I'll never know. I do not agree that Forza 2 looks as bad as you like to claim it does. It helps if you own the game.
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How did people like the TC ever survive the N64/Playstation era?
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How did people like the TC ever survive the N64/Playstation era?nyoroism
easy i played on the pc :)
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And its still AAA. Just imagine it could have been like a 9.6 or 9.7.

Forza rules and is the king of sims. Buy a 360 if you love racing games.

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Shouldn't there be another poll option?  "Yeah, there's a few jaggies, but it's so smooth that you don't care."
If I get a solid 60 FPS and 360 Hz physics, I'll put up with some sparklies.
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#26 foxhound_fox
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And its still AAA. Just imagine it could have been like a 9.6 or 9.7.

Forza rules and is the king of sims. Buy a 360 if you love racing games.

-Ninja_Dog-


On consoles. Hit the PC and there are many other, much higher level racing sims.
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Shouldn't there be another poll option?  "Yeah, there's a few jaggies, but it's so smooth that you don't care."
If I get a solid 60 FPS and 360 Hz physics, I'll put up with some sparklies.lowe0
The lack of that option is what makes this an obvious trolling thread.
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#28 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

And its still AAA. Just imagine it could have been like a 9.6 or 9.7.

Forza rules and is the king of sims. Buy a 360 if you love racing games.

foxhound_fox


On consoles. Hit the PC and there are many other, much higher level racing sims.

LIke GTR2.
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#29 nyoroism
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[QUOTE="nyoroism"]How did people like the TC ever survive the N64/Playstation era?alfy13
easy i played on the pc :)

That's too bad. You missed out on a lot...

...A lot of JAGGIES! *ba-da bish*

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#30 Adrian_Cloud
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GS messed up, it happens. No biggy, the game still looks great.
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#31 -Ninja_Dog-
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[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

And its still AAA. Just imagine it could have been like a 9.6 or 9.7.

Forza rules and is the king of sims. Buy a 360 if you love racing games.

foxhound_fox



On consoles. Hit the PC and there are many other, much higher level racing sims.

No dude.

PC are for work, consoles are for fun.

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I am starting to think you bought Forza 2 and went online and lost every race you tried.That can be only reason since this is your 4th or 5th Anti Forza 2 thread just today. I mean if you do not like the game this bad. Try something crazy and just not play it.
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I am starting to think you bought Forza 2 and went online and lost every race you tried.That can be only reason since this is your 4th or 5th Anti Forza 2 thread just today. I mean if you do not like the game this bad. Try something crazy and just not play it.Eltroz
no i didnt buy the game :(. my point is forza 2 should not got the 9 on graphics. its even funny when IGN says Halo 2.5 MP does not impress on the graphics dept but fanboys will deny it and say is awesome looking.
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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I am starting to think you bought Forza 2 and went online and lost every race you tried.That can be only reason since this is your 4th or 5th Anti Forza 2 thread just today. I mean if you do not like the game this bad. Try something crazy and just not play it.alfy13
no i didnt buy the game :(. my point is forza 2 should not got the 9 on graphics. its even funny when IGN says Halo 2.5 MP does not impress on the graphics dept but fanboys will deny it and say is awesome looking.

you dont even own a 360 bro

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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I am starting to think you bought Forza 2 and went online and lost every race you tried.That can be only reason since this is your 4th or 5th Anti Forza 2 thread just today. I mean if you do not like the game this bad. Try something crazy and just not play it.alfy13
no i didnt buy the game :(. my point is forza 2 should not got the 9 on graphics. its even funny when IGN says Halo 2.5 MP does not impress on the graphics dept but fanboys will deny it and say is awesome looking.

But why make 5 threads in one day about it? Is a review of a game bothering you that much?
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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I am starting to think you bought Forza 2 and went online and lost every race you tried.That can be only reason since this is your 4th or 5th Anti Forza 2 thread just today. I mean if you do not like the game this bad. Try something crazy and just not play it.alfy13
no i didnt buy the game :(. my point is forza 2 should not got the 9 on graphics. its even funny when IGN says Halo 2.5 MP does not impress on the graphics dept but fanboys will deny it and say is awesome looking.

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously with all your Halo 2.5 talk :roll: The Halo 3 we all saw was far from a finished product. Check Bungie.net for their weekly update.
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#37 GermanShepard06
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dude, i know what your saying, i made a thread about Forza2 also about why GS gave it a 9 for graphics. The thing is these days is that all x360 games are going to be overrated here on GS i think until ps3 takes off with a price drop.
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alfy if it makes you feel better I'll tell you this as an owner of Forza. Yes! the game has Jaggies, you are absolutely right. the game could have looked better, did it deserve a 9, thats an opinion that can be argued till kingdom come but why bother. either way, yes jaggies jaggies jaggies, but one of the best racing games I have ever played.

why so much hate for a game is beyond me, but you obviously want someone to agree with you and your jaggie debate and I'll agree and admit the game could have looked better, but it still looks great and its enjoyable, why can't that be enough for you?

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They don't say lemspot for nothing
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[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]I am starting to think you bought Forza 2 and went online and lost every race you tried.That can be only reason since this is your 4th or 5th Anti Forza 2 thread just today. I mean if you do not like the game this bad. Try something crazy and just not play it.ParadiddleFill

no i didnt buy the game :(. my point is forza 2 should not got the 9 on graphics. its even funny when IGN says Halo 2.5 MP does not impress on the graphics dept but fanboys will deny it and say is awesome looking.

you dont even own a 360 bro

oh yah i forgot about you, i owe you a pic. here you go bud thanks for the reminder bro :)

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#41 themyth01
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Still mad, Forza 2 is the best racing sim on any platform at the moment, I would be too, if I didn't have an xbox360 to play it on.
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[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]I am starting to think you bought Forza 2 and went online and lost every race you tried.That can be only reason since this is your 4th or 5th Anti Forza 2 thread just today. I mean if you do not like the game this bad. Try something crazy and just not play it.alfy13

no i didnt buy the game :(. my point is forza 2 should not got the 9 on graphics. its even funny when IGN says Halo 2.5 MP does not impress on the graphics dept but fanboys will deny it and say is awesome looking.

you dont even own a 360 bro

oh yah i forgot about you, i owe you a pic. here you go bud thanks for the reminder bro :)

Took you long enough to get to your friend's house to get that photo. With your forum history, I find anything you post hard to believe.
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#43 LEGEND_C4A
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dude, i know what your saying, i made a thread about Forza2 also about why GS gave it a 9 for graphics. The thing is these days is that all x360 games are going to be overrated here on GS i think until ps3 takes off with a price drop.GermanShepard06

really german, is it really that important to complain about individual scores within a review, Does it really matter if its an 8 or 9, the game is a great game regardless.

we have way too many reviewers in this forum and not enough game players.

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#44 jessesalinas
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Graphics isnt just about photorealistic pictures.

Forza 2's customizations absolutely destroys gran turismo in the graphics department.

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#45 Eltroz
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Ok that Perfect Dark 0 car is just awsome looking.
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[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]I am starting to think you bought Forza 2 and went online and lost every race you tried.That can be only reason since this is your 4th or 5th Anti Forza 2 thread just today. I mean if you do not like the game this bad. Try something crazy and just not play it.alfy13

no i didnt buy the game :(. my point is forza 2 should not got the 9 on graphics. its even funny when IGN says Halo 2.5 MP does not impress on the graphics dept but fanboys will deny it and say is awesome looking.

you dont even own a 360 bro

oh yah i forgot about you, i owe you a pic. here you go bud thanks for the reminder bro :)

:lol: that is good.
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#47 alfy13
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[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]I am starting to think you bought Forza 2 and went online and lost every race you tried.That can be only reason since this is your 4th or 5th Anti Forza 2 thread just today. I mean if you do not like the game this bad. Try something crazy and just not play it.musicalmac

no i didnt buy the game :(. my point is forza 2 should not got the 9 on graphics. its even funny when IGN says Halo 2.5 MP does not impress on the graphics dept but fanboys will deny it and say is awesome looking.

you dont even own a 360 bro

oh yah i forgot about you, i owe you a pic. here you go bud thanks for the reminder bro :)

Took you long enough to get to your friend's house to get that photo. With your forum history, I find anything you post hard to believe.

lol another fanboy in denial , its free comdey at its best :)

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#48 musicalmac  Moderator
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Ok that Perfect Dark 0 car is just awsome looking.Eltroz
That is one of the best I've ever seen :shock:
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#49 akuma303x
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]I am starting to think you bought Forza 2 and went online and lost every race you tried.That can be only reason since this is your 4th or 5th Anti Forza 2 thread just today. I mean if you do not like the game this bad. Try something crazy and just not play it.alfy13

no i didnt buy the game :(. my point is forza 2 should not got the 9 on graphics. its even funny when IGN says Halo 2.5 MP does not impress on the graphics dept but fanboys will deny it and say is awesome looking.

you dont even own a 360 bro

oh yah i forgot about you, i owe you a pic. here you go bud thanks for the reminder bro :)

Took you long enough to get to your friend's house to get that photo. With your forum history, I find anything you post hard to believe.

lol another fanboy in denial , its free comdey at its best :)

oh god. it hurts.:lol: but I still think you should see it on my TV. no jaggies. But we all know to much that tv's are way too diverse.
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#50 ParadiddleFill
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]I am starting to think you bought Forza 2 and went online and lost every race you tried.That can be only reason since this is your 4th or 5th Anti Forza 2 thread just today. I mean if you do not like the game this bad. Try something crazy and just not play it.alfy13

no i didnt buy the game :(. my point is forza 2 should not got the 9 on graphics. its even funny when IGN says Halo 2.5 MP does not impress on the graphics dept but fanboys will deny it and say is awesome looking.

you dont even own a 360 bro

oh yah i forgot about you, i owe you a pic. here you go bud thanks for the reminder bro :)

Took you long enough to get to your friend's house to get that photo. With your forum history, I find anything you post hard to believe.

lol another fanboy in denial , its free comdey at its best :)

haha sorry dude you proved it thanks for adding my name on your list