something about killzone 2 that bothers me

sure the graphics are nice , but I want to know why is it costing 40 million dollars ( maybe more ) , developed by 120+ developers , and taking so long ?

as I said the graphics are nice , but tbh I expected a game with a huge budget like this to look better , It should be mind blowing graphics wise , gameplay wise , and content wise .

do you think sony is still hiding something BIG ?

I have no idea why Sony is sinking so much money into Killzone 2 it looks like a AA title at best so far (only having awesome graphics). I believe it's up to 60 million now...Flamestos

I'm still not sold on it, maybe in E3.EuroMafia

This is going to be the 4th E3 we have seen it at isnt it? Woooopdeeeedooooo!!!!one!!!fart!!!!!ONE

At least this E3 will be MGS4-less.

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]I'm still not sold on it, maybe in E3.travt-down

This is going to be the 4th E3 we have seen it at isnt it? Woooopdeeeedooooo!!!!one!!!fart!!!!!ONE

At least this E3 will be MGS4-less.

I also don't know how Lemmings can bash Killzone 2 for it's development cycle when Too Human has been in development for how long and across how many different platforms? and still hype it.

I'm still not sold on it, maybe in E3.EuroMafia

I look forward to the game, but until I play the demo, I'm sick of simply hearing about it.

I have no idea why Sony is sinking so much money into Killzone 2 it looks like a AA title at best so far (only having awesome graphics). I believe it's up to 60 million now...Flamestos

It has some nice graphics , but games like farcry2 and RE5 are multiplats and they're almost as good graphically of not better at some areas ( destructible environments , open world in farcry2 ) , and they are not costing that much , something just feels wrong about it .

As a PS3 owner I don't even care, I'm not touching another console fps until something extremly special comes along, I don't see gears, killzone or resistance being it. I'll stick to other genres. OH and I blame the damn xbox and Microsoft for starting the whole shooter console thing, and stupid sony shouldn't have gone along. I've vote with my wallet! I want MGS's and Final Fantasy's, and God of War's and Team ICO games, screw fps's.Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]I'm still not sold on it, maybe in E3.travt-down

This is going to be the 4th E3 we have seen it at isnt it? Woooopdeeeedooooo!!!!one!!!fart!!!!!ONE

At least this E3 will be MGS4-less. I wouldn't be so sure about that.

I'm still not sold on it, maybe in E3.EuroMafia

You want another pre-rendered trailer? :P

The developer is Guerrilla, that's why. Except for Liberation, they haven't made any good games.

sure the graphics are nice , but I want to know why is it costing 40 million dollars ( maybe more ) , developed by 120+ developers , and taking so long ?

as I said the graphics are nice , but tbh I expected a game with a huge budget like this to look better , It should be mind blowing graphics wise , gameplay wise , and content wise .

do you think sony is still hiding something BIG ?

proeye

Perhaps they do not want to contend against Gears of War 2? Moreover, I frankly thought that its graphics would have been of higher quality.

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[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]I'm still not sold on it, maybe in E3.Nike_Air

This is going to be the 4th E3 we have seen it at isnt it? Woooopdeeeedooooo!!!!one!!!fart!!!!!ONE

At least this E3 will be MGS4-less. I wouldn't be so sure about that.

If Konami showcases map packs for MGO at E3, I will have lost all faith.

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[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]I'm still not sold on it, maybe in E3.travt-down

This is going to be the 4th E3 we have seen it at isnt it? Woooopdeeeedooooo!!!!one!!!fart!!!!!ONE

At least this E3 will be MGS4-less. I wouldn't be so sure about that.

If Konami showcases map packs for MGO at E3, I will have lost all faith.

[QUOTE="travt-down"]If Konami showcases map packs for MGO at E3, I will have lost all faith.

Nike_Air

Its not the game that makes me miserable, its the endless talk and hype. Anything can be ruined for me that way.

they are ACTUALLY investing in an ultra-top secret lab to unlock the cell... it will be larger than the manhattan project by the turn of the year

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[QUOTE="Nike_Air"][QUOTE="travt-down"]If Konami showcases map packs for MGO at E3, I will have lost all faith.

travt-down

Its not the game that makes me miserable, its the endless talk and hype. Anything can be ruined for me that way.

Well, it's not that sought-after! This game will be gigantic, but it isn't the biggest game this year, so relax and take a cup of coffee.

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"][QUOTE="travt-down"]If Konami showcases map packs for MGO at E3, I will have lost all faith.

travt-down

Its not the game that makes me miserable, its the endless talk and hype. Anything can be ruined for me that way.

sure the graphics are nice , but I want to know why is it costing 40 million dollars ( maybe more ) , developed by 120+ developers , and taking so long ?

as I said the graphics are nice , but tbh I expected a game with a huge budget like this to look better , It should be mind blowing graphics wise , gameplay wise , and content wise .

do you think sony is still hiding something BIG ?

proeye

If K2 bothers you then don't even look at Too Human. That game has the longest dev cycle this side of Duke Nukem, biggest game cost ever, and it still manages to look mediocre at best.

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[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]I'm still not sold on it, maybe in E3.Flamestos

This is going to be the 4th E3 we have seen it at isnt it? Woooopdeeeedooooo!!!!one!!!fart!!!!!ONE

At least this E3 will be MGS4-less.

I also don't know how Lemmings can bash Killzone 2 for it's development cycle when Too Human has been in development for how long and across how many different platforms? and still hype it.

enters Duke nukem

[QUOTE="travt-down"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"][QUOTE="travt-down"]If Konami showcases map packs for MGO at E3, I will have lost all faith.

Nike_Air

Its not the game that makes me miserable, its the endless talk and hype. Anything can be ruined for me that way.

I am not one for paying $460 for a game. MGS is just another series i have said bye to. I got halfway through FFX and stopped. i know i will never play a main FF game again. Halo 2 was my last Halo. No more GTA after San Andreas. MGS2 marked the end of that series. RE4 was probably the last one of that line.

Sure, there are series that I will always want to come back to; but sometimes, you just walk away.

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sure the graphics are nice , but I want to know why is it costing 40 million dollars ( maybe more ) , developed by 120+ developers , and taking so long ?

as I said the graphics are nice , but tbh I expected a game with a huge budget like this to look better , It should be mind blowing graphics wise , gameplay wise , and content wise .

do you think sony is still hiding something BIG ?

DarkyC

If K2 bothers you then don't even look at Too Human. That game has the longest dev cycle this side of Duke Nukem, biggest game cost ever, and it still manages to look mediocre at best.

it's not about the development cycle only , actually it's the budget and the huge no. of developers working on it that confuse me , there has to be some kind of epicness related to a high budget project like this , a kind that I totally fail to notice ( actually I'm not alone in this ) ... Do you think that there is something huge about killzone 2 that hasn't been announced yet ?

[QUOTE="DarkyC"][QUOTE="proeye"]

sure the graphics are nice , but I want to know why is it costing 40 million dollars ( maybe more ) , developed by 120+ developers , and taking so long ?

as I said the graphics are nice , but tbh I expected a game with a huge budget like this to look better , It should be mind blowing graphics wise , gameplay wise , and content wise .

do you think sony is still hiding something BIG ?

proeye

If K2 bothers you then don't even look at Too Human. That game has the longest dev cycle this side of Duke Nukem, biggest game cost ever, and it still manages to look mediocre at best.

it's not about the development cycle only , actually it's the budget and the huge no. of developers working on it that confuse me , there has to be some kind of epicness related to a high budget project like this , a kind that I totally fail to notice ( actually I'm not alone in this ) ... Do you think that there is something huge about killzone 2 that hasn't been announced yet ?

Maybe you missed the part where Too Human is the highest costing game ever.

I've vote with my wallet! I want MGS's and Final Fantasy's, and God of War's and Team ICO games, screw fps's.Eddie-Vedder

So instead of FPS games you want sequels to games that have all ready been played to death? ICO notwithstanding, I fail to see the difference.

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]I'm still not sold on it, maybe in E3.travt-down

This is going to be the 4th E3 we have seen it at isnt it? Woooopdeeeedooooo!!!!one!!!fart!!!!!ONE

At least this E3 will be MGS4-less.

i agree, Sony has been wheeling out the same games over and over scince 2005. we have yet to see most of them (probably due to the complexities and utter uselessnes of the ps3 architecture)

sure the graphics are nice , but I want to know why is it costing 40 million dollars ( maybe more ) , developed by 120+ developers , and taking so long ?

as I said the graphics are nice , but tbh I expected a game with a huge budget like this to look better , It should be mind blowing graphics wise , gameplay wise , and content wise .

do you think sony is still hiding something BIG ?

proeye

I think they are hiding something big, yes. Maybe there are putting alot of time into for the following possible reasons:

Extreamly long single player, like 80 hours +

Single player with tons of routes, and LOTS of different endings.

Maybe pplay through the game with different people off different drop ships in different parts of the planet.

Maybe it takes along time for animations like it bring out. That look as sweet as Killzone's do.

During the developement they BUILT a new game engine. I'm sure that ate time and money.

Maybe they have a LONG single player and long but separate co-op.

[QUOTE="proeye"]

sure the graphics are nice , but I want to know why is it costing 40 million dollars ( maybe more ) , developed by 120+ developers , and taking so long ?

as I said the graphics are nice , but tbh I expected a game with a huge budget like this to look better , It should be mind blowing graphics wise , gameplay wise , and content wise .

do you think sony is still hiding something BIG ?

Hype_Status

Perhaps they do not want to contend against Gears of War 2? Moreover, I frankly thought that its graphics would have been of higher quality.

[QUOTE="proeye"][QUOTE="DarkyC"][QUOTE="proeye"]

sure the graphics are nice , but I want to know why is it costing 40 million dollars ( maybe more ) , developed by 120+ developers , and taking so long ?

as I said the graphics are nice , but tbh I expected a game with a huge budget like this to look better , It should be mind blowing graphics wise , gameplay wise , and content wise .

do you think sony is still hiding something BIG ?

DarkyC

If K2 bothers you then don't even look at Too Human. That game has the longest dev cycle this side of Duke Nukem, biggest game cost ever, and it still manages to look mediocre at best.

it's not about the development cycle only , actually it's the budget and the huge no. of developers working on it that confuse me , there has to be some kind of epicness related to a high budget project like this , a kind that I totally fail to notice ( actually I'm not alone in this ) ... Do you think that there is something huge about killzone 2 that hasn't been announced yet ?

Maybe you missed the part where Too Human is the highest costing game ever.

Yeah, because the project has been started and stopped so many times. It was a PlayStation game at first. Then it was a Nintendo GameCube game. Now it's an Xbox 360 game. It's not like they can just cut-and-paste that code over. The cost of Too Human is the cost of three different games, only the first two were never released.

Killzone 2 is a completely different situation. Its development might have begun on PS2, but it's been primarily for PS3. Sony is throwing tons of money at the game, hoping it will stick. The money is going to a large development team, and lots of pretty graphics. A big development team does not equate to a better playing game, and it never has, but Sony is hoping they create a blockbuster success by dangling a lot of stars infront of the public's eyes.

[QUOTE="DarkyC"][QUOTE="proeye"][QUOTE="DarkyC"][QUOTE="proeye"]

sure the graphics are nice , but I want to know why is it costing 40 million dollars ( maybe more ) , developed by 120+ developers , and taking so long ?

as I said the graphics are nice , but tbh I expected a game with a huge budget like this to look better , It should be mind blowing graphics wise , gameplay wise , and content wise .

do you think sony is still hiding something BIG ?

swamprat_basic

If K2 bothers you then don't even look at Too Human. That game has the longest dev cycle this side of Duke Nukem, biggest game cost ever, and it still manages to look mediocre at best.

it's not about the development cycle only , actually it's the budget and the huge no. of developers working on it that confuse me , there has to be some kind of epicness related to a high budget project like this , a kind that I totally fail to notice ( actually I'm not alone in this ) ... Do you think that there is something huge about killzone 2 that hasn't been announced yet ?

Maybe you missed the part where Too Human is the highest costing game ever.

Yeah, because the project has been started and stopped so many times. It was a PlayStation game at first. Then it was a Nintendo GameCube game. Now it's an Xbox 360 game. It's not like they can just cut-and-paste that code over. The cost of Too Human is the cost of three different games, only the first two were never released.

Killzone 2 is a completely different situation. Its development might have begun on PS2, but it's been primarily for PS3. Sony is throwing tons of money at the game, hoping it will stick. The money is going to a large development team, and lots of pretty graphics. A big development team does not equate to a better playing game, and it never has, but Sony is hoping they create a blockbuster success by dangling a lot of stars infront of the public's eyes.

Honestly, you're kiding yourself if you think that the dev on the PSX and Gamecube went very far. It certantly didn't cost as much as a whole game, if it did it would mean that it was ready for release. And even so the first stages of dev are, I think, storyboard planing and concept art, that can be crossed t others platforms, with changes.

Also, GG made a engine from the (amazing) ground, SK used a modified UE engine. Trying to defend KZ2 for being costly while defending Too Human is sad.

It will make me happy knowing that MGS4 makes fanboys miserable.Nike_Air

Hi5, the fear for Mgs4 keeps the up at night... So they resort to post damage control on Sw.

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]It will make me happy knowing that MGS4 makes fanboys miserable.AgentA-Mi6

Hi5, the fear for Mgs4 keeps the up at night... So they resort to post damage control on Sw.

are you reffering to me ???

cuz if you are , I want to know where is the damage control ??!!!:?

and btw metal gear solid is my favourite franchise of all time , I'm buying a ps3 to play it ( along with other exclusive games ) .

and I'm very excited about killzone 2 , but unlike blind fanboys , I like to be honest about everything and face the truth , cuz actually I wouldn't have created this thread if I don't care about KZ2 .

Trying to defend KZ2 for being costly while defending Too Human is sad.

DarkyC

I'm not sure what you mean by that.

The game is gonna be huge, each level can take up to 45-50 min.EVOLV3

What bothers me about Killzone is the hype. It looks so damn run of the mill to me and it just boggles my mind that people hype it. That being said, people will hype anything these days.

Not that hyping something is a sin, it's just that I don't understand the hype.

It's like when a dude is bragging about how hot a girl looks and you're just thinking WTF! I DON'T GET IT! SHE LOOKS SO AVERAGE!

[QUOTE="proeye"]

sure the graphics are nice , but I want to know why is it costing 40 million dollars ( maybe more ) , developed by 120+ developers , and taking so long ?

as I said the graphics are nice , but tbh I expected a game with a huge budget like this to look better , It should be mind blowing graphics wise , gameplay wise , and content wise .

do you think sony is still hiding something BIG ?

caseypayne69

I think they are hiding something big, yes. Maybe there are putting alot of time into for the following possible reasons:

Extreamly long single player, like 80 hours +

Single player with tons of routes, and LOTS of different endings.

Maybe pplay through the game with different people off different drop ships in different parts of the planet.

Maybe it takes along time for animations like it bring out. That look as sweet as Killzone's do.

During the developement they BUILT a new game engine. I'm sure that ate time and money.

Maybe they have a LONG single player and long but separate co-op.

I'm not really worried, this games got alot going for it..,

• Most importantly the gunplay is supposed to be excellent, too many shooters fail to nail this crucial aspect (Gears I'm looking at you) However from previews and gameplay footage, Killzone appears to have this sorted.
• The physics in the game are incredible (Hit response etc.)
• The atmosphere makes it incredibly immersive.
• The online is going to be huge, 50% of the game.
• It has a solid storyline to follow from the original game.
• Huge Budget
• Huge Team.

Oh and

• Awesome graphics :P

There are some things that need to be worked out, more enemy variety, some of the awful one liners need to go and we still don't know much about online, multiplayer etc. Can't wait for E3.