Sony, along with their dumb moves...

Wait, did blu-ray cause sony to have bad games?

Are you saying that if there was no blu ray but it was at the same price as the 360 you would buy it, even though it currently has few decent games?

Coulda, woulda, shoulda, its all too late.  I do believe its true that if the PS3 had skipped blu-ray, it would have A) Been out much sooner, maybe at the same time as the Xbox and B) would have been the same price if not cheaper than the 360.  These two elements, I believe, would have completely destroyed the Xbox 360.  But thats not how it happened.  Sony wanted their movie format in people's living rooms.  They wanted to sell blu-ray movies.

I'm not saying Blu-ray can't be useful for games.  What good does it do the games if no one wants to pay $600 for the system? 

Wait, did blu-ray cause sony to have bad games?

Are you saying that if there was no blu ray but it was at the same price as the 360 you would buy it, even though it currently has few decent games?

someacrazyman

I'm saying, if the price of the PS3 would've been the same as the 360's, then more people would be buying PS3's instead of 360's, plus, they wouldn't have to worry about their games getting ported over to 360.

Blu-Ray caused Sony to go down under (Six feet under).

I agree among all the other problems the Blu-ray will hurt the PS3 the most in the long run. It is main reason for the price and it is the price that is killing it the most.

Yes, but you have to realize that putting DVD9 in the PS3 would be a huge mistake. There would be no reason at all to buy one. For now.jim1029

[QUOTE="someacrazyman"]

Wait, did blu-ray cause sony to have bad games?

Are you saying that if there was no blu ray but it was at the same price as the 360 you would buy it, even though it currently has few decent games?

garland51

Blu-Ray caused Sony to go down under (Six feet under).

Nothing's certain, yet.

If blu-ray wins Ps3 will win if it fails then ps3 will fail!

Simply with 50GB Space you can make better games. Add more features and in 1-2 years time most of 360 games will be on 2-3-4 disks. look at some games that already are coming for x360 that will have 3 disks. It might not be a big problem but it sucks. plus the devs will not worry about compressing things on Blu-ray since they have more than what they need.

So i guess the real gaming year will be 2008 where all the good games will come out for ps3 to prove sony's plans. For now nothing clear its just the beginning of this gen.

If I said it once I said it a thousand times...Sony jumped the gun when it came down to creating a system around Blu-ray. Blu-ray is simply not needed this gen, plain and simple (the constant HD-360 titles proves this). Blu-ray now is what CD was during the 16-bit era: Expensive, Slow, and Overkill...

Its just like Sony to try to force a standard instead of letting the industry evolve at its own pace. Each time they have attempted to push a format in a market not ready for a new standard, they have fail miserably...Blu-ray may sell millions based on blind faith and consumer ignorance, but that will not save the format nor the PS3.

Its a damn shame how a company can completely lose its way in a market because of greed and power. I been around for quite a few generations and have seen many companies fall because of mis-management and greed. Just think of how great gaming would be if all of the great companies were still producing consoles and gaming was still a enntertaining hobby and not big business.

Atari, Nintendo, Sega, Sony, and Microsoft all with cost efficient machines made for one purpose only GAMING!!!! Multiple systems, tons of games = Gamer Heaven....

Game On...

If I said it once I said it a thousand times...Sony jumped the gun when it came down to creating a system around Blu-ray. Blu-ray is simply not needed this gen, plain and simple (the constant HD-360 titles proves this). Blu-ray now is what CD was during the 16-bit era: Expensive, Slow, and Overkill...

Its just like Sony to try to force a standard instead of letting the industry evolve at its own pace. Each time they have attempted to push a format in a market not ready for a new standard, they have fail miserably...Blu-ary wmay sell millions based on blind faith and consumer ignorance, but that will not save the format nor the PS3.

Its a damn shame how a company completely lose its way in a market because of greed and power. I been around for quite a few generations and have seen many companies fall because of mis-management and greed. Just think of how great gaming would be if all of the great companies were still producing consoles and gaming was still a enntertaining hobby and not big business.

Atari, Nintendo, Sega, Sony, and Microsoft all with cost efficient machines made for one purpose only GAMING!!!! Multiple systems, tons of games = Gamer Heaven....

Game On... 

FatalDomain

Exactly, the HD era came way too quickly, DVD was barely becoming a real standard by starting to outsell VHS, and then all the sudden corporations shove another format down the peoples throughts expecting some kind of warm welcome, the launch of both HD formats wasn't ready, and was best saved for a few years from now.

xbox 360-

- Xbox 360 console
- 20GB Removable Hard Drive
- Wireless Controller
- Headset
- Component AV Cables

ps3- in the box

ps3 console

blu-ray player

RECHARGABLE wireless controller

60 gig hard drive

built in wi-fi

composite cables

hdmi support

free online

please note that to have everything the ps3 comes with out of the box, you would have to spend another

200-hd-dvd player

25- controller recharge kit

100-wi-fi adapter

50 per year-xbox live(online)

for your xbox 360.

now 775 compared to 600 sounds like a good deal to me.

[QUOTE="jim1029"]Yes, but you have to realize that putting DVD9 in the PS3 would be a huge mistake. There would be no reason at all to buy one. For now.lantus

Agreed 

[QUOTE="lantus"][QUOTE="jim1029"]Yes, but you have to realize that putting DVD9 in the PS3 would be a huge mistake. There would be no reason at all to buy one. For now.KillaHalo2o9

Agreed 

I meant if you are a gamer. A lot of gamers just HAVE to have the latest console/handheld/whatever.

But anyway, wouldn't entertainment be a reason to buy one?

They had a full year to get their **** together and they couldnt......

They forced a format on "their" consumers when the shouldnt.....

Only the hardcore gamers or those willing to miss a rent payment will actually go out and buy a PS3. For what? To wait for some games to finally launch on that anti christ of a system.

Face it. If your content with playing resistance for the 45th play through more power to ya. At least you can always wait for 08 when "teh real titles 4 j0o" will be released. By then Nintendo and M$ will be releasing their next next gen console.  :lol:

They had a full year to get their **** together and they couldnt......

They forced a format on "their" consumers when the shouldnt.....

Only the hardcore gamers or those willing to miss a rent payment will actually go out and buy a PS3. For what? To wait for some games to finally launch on that anti christ of a system.

Face it. If your content with playing resistance for the 45th play through more power to ya. At least you can always wait for 08 when "teh real titles 4 j0o" will be released. By then Nintendo and M$ will be releasing their next next gen console.  :lol:

Magical_Zebra

As much as I hate to admit it, that's seems to be the gist of it, Sony is waiting for the heavy hitters a year and a half after launch when others will already be enjoying great sales because their line up cought the mainstream first.

If your an average gamer like myself who just dosn't like shooters on consoles period there really is very little reason to buy any of the systems right now (at least the 'next gen ones).  I don't think 360's library is that fantastic at this moment either for ppl like me and I've really been looking for a reason to jump on the bandwagon now that I moved and no longer get to play my college roommates systems, but there just isn't much there yet.

for ppl like me both the 360 and PS3 are waiting games for titles like mass effect, too human, alan wake, ffxiii, mgs4, lbp, ect... that might make me dig into my wallet till then I'll leave those systems to those of you 'hardcore enough' to get off on console shooters and first gen games *ick*.

They had a full year to get their **** together and they couldnt......

They forced a format on "their" consumers when the shouldnt.....

Only the hardcore gamers or those willing to miss a rent payment will actually go out and buy a PS3. For what? To wait for some games to finally launch on that anti christ of a system.

Face it. If your content with playing resistance for the 45th play through more power to ya. At least you can always wait for 08 when "teh real titles 4 j0o" will be released. By then Nintendo and M$ will be releasing their next next gen console. :lol:

Magical_Zebra

Exactly, the Sony fanboys think this generation will run for 10 years or so when in reality it will be over during the 2010 or 2011 holiday season. Whether they want to believe it or not this generation started in 2005 and 360 fans have been enjoying GAMES while Sony fans are enjoying reading specs and a TBA list.

When 2008 rolls around the industry will not care about the games launching for the PS3. Sony seems to think that its the "Lemmings" who doesnt want Blu-ray, when it is the industry as a whole who is not supporting the format and the PS3, MS had nothing to do with it.

When the new systems are launched im sure the herd with probably be comparing games from two gens back touting "MG4 looks better than Gears the pwnage!!!!!", "Sony is back on top" or something equally dillusional.

Game On.... 

just a thought. but if people start downloadig HD movies and comtent. won't it hurt verything sony is tryiing to do as far as blu-ray be the standart.v-vega75

Interesting question. But I just noticed something with the latest spring update for Xboxlive. Majority of all the movie trailers and media are in hd. I think M$ may possibly trying to position themselves to start "brainwashing" their consumers that they may need an hd dvd player. Whatcha think? 

just a thought. but if people start downloadig HD movies and comtent. won't it hurt verything sony is tryiing to do as far as blu-ray be the standart.v-vega75

Sony has inadvertently shown the world Blu-ray is not needed for gaming by trying to 1up XBL their downloadable games. With downloadable games GT4, Warhawk, and Tekken 5 Sony told everyone digital distribution will more than likely become the norm instead of having a hard copy of the game....Regardless if the games arent full retail games, Sony and their hype campaign touted that 1080p games were only possible on Blu-ray and the PS3 but I guess if the fanboys want to continue believing the hype, so be it....

Game On.... 

Maybe if Sony went along with DVD-9 like Microsoft has with their 360, then they wouldn't be having this problem. They would have no trouble getting people to buy their console, as their prices probably would've been just the same as the 360's. They could've just went along with that & have 2 different PS3 systems, one with DVD-9, & one with Blu-Ray, or have both versions of DVD-9 & have Blu-Ray as an add on. They had a year ahead of Microsoft, & they chose to screw themselves & make a very dumb move by making the console very expensive just by adding in that stupid Blu-Ray player in their system. And no one is even ready to give up DVD's just yet, as either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray won't push off until like, 2010. Because of this move, Sony is in very deep water. Many people are turning towards the 360, & they keep losing exclusives left & right. Plus, they could've waited until PS4 for Blu-Ray.garland51

Maybe if Sony went along with DVD-9 like Microsoft has with their 360, then they wouldn't be having this problem. They would have no trouble getting people to buy their console, as their prices probably would've been just the same as the 360's. They could've just went along with that & have 2 different PS3 systems, one with DVD-9, & one with Blu-Ray, or have both versions of DVD-9 & have Blu-Ray as an add on. They had a year ahead of Microsoft, & they chose to screw themselves & make a very dumb move by making the console very expensive just by adding in that stupid Blu-Ray player in their system. And no one is even ready to give up DVD's just yet, as either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray won't push off until like, 2010. Because of this move, Sony is in very deep water. Many people are turning towards the 360, & they keep losing exclusives left & right. Plus, they could've waited until PS4 for Blu-Ray.garland51

Many reputable developers are saying blu-ray is needed this generation, who are you to call a move by a multi billion dollar company that is supported by many developers dumb. RFOM, Lair, HS are all recent examples of games over the 9gb limit of dvd 9's, and Kojima has said MGS 4 is already over 25gb and will fill up a 50gb disk when it is completed. 

ouch.. blu-ray a bad move? thats most likely the dumbest thing I've heard today.

oh and 360 is losing exclusives as well fyi. blu-ray is what's going to turn the tide eventually. DVD9 is lastgen, it doesn't offer enough storage for upcoming games. But, yeah, if you want to keep playing games of same quality the entire generation DVD9 is fine..

xbox 360-

- Xbox 360 console
- 20GB Removable Hard Drive
- Wireless Controller
- Headset
- Component AV Cables

ps3- in the box

ps3 console

blu-ray player

RECHARGABLE wireless controller

60 gig hard drive

built in wi-fi

composite cables

hdmi support

free online

 

please note that to have everything the ps3 comes with out of the box, you would have to spend another

200-hd-dvd player

25- controller recharge kit

100-wi-fi adapter

50 per year-xbox live(online)

for your xbox 360.

now 775 compared to 600 sounds like a good deal to me.

mistervengeance

[QUOTE="someacrazyman"]

Wait, did blu-ray cause sony to have bad games?

Are you saying that if there was no blu ray but it was at the same price as the 360 you would buy it, even though it currently has few decent games?

garland51

I'm saying, if the price of the PS3 would've been the same as the 360's, then more people would be buying PS3's instead of 360's, plus, they wouldn't have to worry about their games getting ported over to 360.

Blu-Ray caused Sony to go down under (Six feet under).

I hope if Blu-ray becomes the only next gen DVD format you remember what you've said today

[QUOTE="garland51"]Maybe if Sony went along with DVD-9 like Microsoft has with their 360, then they wouldn't be having this problem. They would have no trouble getting people to buy their console, as their prices probably would've been just the same as the 360's. They could've just went along with that & have 2 different PS3 systems, one with DVD-9, & one with Blu-Ray, or have both versions of DVD-9 & have Blu-Ray as an add on. They had a year ahead of Microsoft, & they chose to screw themselves & make a very dumb move by making the console very expensive just by adding in that stupid Blu-Ray player in their system. And no one is even ready to give up DVD's just yet, as either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray won't push off until like, 2010. Because of this move, Sony is in very deep water. Many people are turning towards the 360, & they keep losing exclusives left & right. Plus, they could've waited until PS4 for Blu-Ray.MGS9150

Many reputable developers are saying blu-ray is needed this generation, who are you to call a move by a multi billion dollar company that is supported by many developers dumb. RFOM, Lair, HS are all recent examples of games over the 9gb limit of dvd 9's, and Kojima has said MGS 4 is already over 25gb and will fill up a 50gb disk when it is completed. 

Imagine how big GT5 will be?

Many reputable developers are saying blu-ray is needed this generation, who are you to call a move by a multi billion dollar company that is supported by many developers dumb. RFOM, Lair, HS are all recent examples of games over the 9gb limit of dvd 9's, and Kojima has said MGS 4 is already over 25gb and will fill up a 50gb disk when it is completed. 

MGS9150

Translation: 40-45gb of mgs will be cgi cutscenes.  :shock:

[QUOTE="MGS9150"]

[QUOTE="garland51"]Maybe if Sony went along with DVD-9 like Microsoft has with their 360, then they wouldn't be having this problem. They would have no trouble getting people to buy their console, as their prices probably would've been just the same as the 360's. They could've just went along with that & have 2 different PS3 systems, one with DVD-9, & one with Blu-Ray, or have both versions of DVD-9 & have Blu-Ray as an add on. They had a year ahead of Microsoft, & they chose to screw themselves & make a very dumb move by making the console very expensive just by adding in that stupid Blu-Ray player in their system. And no one is even ready to give up DVD's just yet, as either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray won't push off until like, 2010. Because of this move, Sony is in very deep water. Many people are turning towards the 360, & they keep losing exclusives left & right. Plus, they could've waited until PS4 for Blu-Ray.Blinblingthing

Many reputable developers are saying blu-ray is needed this generation, who are you to call a move by a multi billion dollar company that is supported by many developers dumb. RFOM, Lair, HS are all recent examples of games over the 9gb limit of dvd 9's, and Kojima has said MGS 4 is already over 25gb and will fill up a 50gb disk when it is completed.

Imagine how big GT5 will be?

You forgot the following question: And how many more years will it take to release?

As for the previous post, if Blu-ray was needed for gaming the industry would have immediatly supported the format and would has deemed the 360 and Wii obsolete. When the industry was comfortable with choosing CD for its gaming format, it was unaminously supported by devs with a few persistent devs still clinging onto cartridges.

As I said before in another post Blu-ray now is what CD was during the 16-bit days Expensive, Slow, and Overkill. During that time you had a handful of devs crying for more storage but overall the format was a failure for gaming during that era...similar to performance of Blu-ray this gen.....

Game On... 

blah blah blah.. You'll be singing a different song next gen wen bluray is standard for xbox 720 and ps4. as sony gets richspringz300

Sony wouldnt get rich during the next generation because they would either have to share the profits with companies or the industry may support another format. Thats why Sony constantly tries so hard to force a standard so quickly, to gain as much as possible before everyone under the sun can cheaply produce the product....

Game On... 

I think PS3's technology of Blu-Ray and cell processor is just too ahead of our time. If ps3 came out later as ps4 it might have potentials due to the seasons of the dying dvd. But in 2007 with only 20% of people having HDTV, a next gen video player is just useless right now.

The demands are too low for either a BD or HD dvds. If they could just keep their strength, keep the companies happy and good games coming then PS3 would not be immersed into this trouble now. I guess they were overconfident with their product and thought everyone will buy it due to their brand and previous successes. maxchou2003

Excellent point. However Sony screwed up when they forced it down their consumers throat. At least M$ gives you the option.

P.S. I added a paragraph for you since your quote is now my post.  ;)