A lot of people in SW has lost sight of what GDC is all about. GDC, Game Developers Conference. It's about game creation.
Sony: The presentation by Phil was pretty good, but it has lost sight of what gaming is all about. He presented Home, a virtual world, a community. But many of you forget why he presented this for the PS3. It's a marketing tool for developers. It's a place where developers can advertise with banners, trailers, and even virtual items (for example, a t-shirt with a game name). Then there are the micro-transactions, developers would be interested in this as it could generate some good revenue as well as prolonging the lifecycle of a game.
The best part of his presentation was pretty much Little Big Planet ('though Sony had little to do with the creation of the game itself...), it showed an emphasis of online gaming, and consumer creativity. But what did this game mean to developers in the audience? Sure it was quite fun to watch the game being played, but how does this affect the game developers? Sony are trying to encourage people to create games for online, games that give the players control. LBPs showcase was hinting at developers to create open-ended games or sandbox-type games for online gaming, to produce games that will lead to microtansactions, or pay-per-level games. It's understandable of what this means to developers when development costs are rising alongside with technical computing power.
Nintendo: In my opinion, the presentation was much more insightful and interesting. Miyamoto's presentation was a lot to do with philosophy of gaming. The ideas presented is a big reflection of what creative vision meant. Remember the time when you played a game and thought to yourself, "they should make the game like this and do this, that'd be really fun!"? Miyamoto was telling people to not lose sight of what games they are trying to make. For example, Nintendo had worked on the 'yakyuu' (baseball) concept and the face creation which can be integrated into actual gaming; they had worked on these oncepts for 20 years.
They did not talk about how to generate revenue. Miyamoto was reminding developers of what gaming is all about, talking about his experiences in game creation and what it meant to be a creative developer. The wife-o-meter is actually more interesting than it looks at face-value. It's the concept of expanding the gaming market, to introduce gaming to a wider audience, but it's also about how developers should produce games for the consumers in mind. A non-gamer may eventually turn into a casual gamer or even a hardcore gamer. It touches upon the ideas that the future is about the younger generation; without the younger generation and growth in the industry, it will become stale and could eventually die. I hope this was an interesting read to everyone but all of it is my opinion, feel free to add your own. And if you haven't watched the 2 presentations yet, i highly recommend you do. SonyNintendo
TC, I think you forgot the "PlayStation Edge" kit of tools for game development that was showed in the KillZone demo displayed. If not, sorry, but Im at fast read here, its lunch time, and after some serious work, Im quite hungry myself.
TC, I think you forgot the "PlayStation Edge" kit of tools for game development that was showed in the KillZone demo displayed. If not, sorry, but Im at fast read here, its lunch time, and after some serious work, Im quite hungry myself. Ryusuken
Every one of them have game development tools. But the point of my post was to try and understand what Sony and Nintendo are trying to do. And that motive can be more easily seen in GDC rather than expos like E3. My biggest concern for developers are the rise in costs for game creation. That, but also how less and less developers are trying to create orignal games, games that would be considered risky. But it is through these games, which has kept the industry alive and making it grow. What i dislike from what i've seen in GDC is how Sony is moving towards mass marketing and advertisement. Also, quite recently in GS, Motorstorm flopped. I was expecting a little more, but from what i've read, there is too little content but makes the game's value is in it's gameplay and graphics. It sounds good, but for the content and it's price, it's not for me.
[QUOTE="Ontain"]good analysis of the presentations. i agree. and that avatar is making my hungry. seeing naruto eat raman always makes me hungry for some too :( lol, ramen is one of the best foods ever! :D (actually, i want to eat some ramen now...)
[QUOTE="Ryusuken"]TC, I think you forgot the "PlayStation Edge" kit of tools for game development that was showed in the KillZone demo displayed. If not, sorry, but Im at fast read here, its lunch time, and after some serious work, Im quite hungry myself. Pangster007
Every one of them have game development tools. But the point of my post was to try and understand what Sony and Nintendo are trying to do. And that motive can be more easily seen in GDC rather than expos like E3. My biggest concern for developers are the rise in costs for game creation. That, but also how less and less developers are trying to create orignal games, games that would be considered risky. But it is through these games, which has kept the industry alive and making it grow. What i dislike from what i've seen in GDC is how Sony is moving towards mass marketing and advertisement. Also, quite recently in GS, Motorstorm flopped. I was expecting a little more, but from what i've read, there is too little content but makes the game's value is in it's gameplay and graphics. It sounds good, but for the content and it's price, it's not for me. I was thinkin the exact same thing. Lots of poeple say that game devs have to use the 360/PS3 to fulfill their creative vision, but how can they express their vission if they cant afford to take any major risk because of obsorbatant dev cost. because if a game cost 10-20 million and doesnt sell well. theyre screwed. New devs and small devs cant really get into the business anymore except onthe wii (see sadness) unless they magically get huge backing from one of the major console makers (see LBP). and that kind of sucks. I want new and crazy stuff on my 360.
You forget that Home is exactly what the PS3 needs to be complete. Never once did Sony market it as a total gaming machine, they have always marketed it as a home entertainment console. This only further helps that claim. This bring the community to this system where we can share all of our media in a fully interactive world with millions of other people.
You forget that Home is exactly what the PS3 needs to be complete. Never once did Sony market it as a total gaming machine, they have always marketed it as a home entertainment console. This only further helps that claim. This bring the community to this system where we can share all of our media in a fully interactive world with millions of other people.
Home was the missing chunk to the PS3. Wasdie
I'd rather have some decent games be the filled in "missing chunk", personally. Home is nice, but it's yet another thing that is taking the focus away from games.
You forget that Home is exactly what the PS3 needs to be complete. Never once did Sony market it as a total gaming machine, they have always marketed it as a home entertainment console. This only further helps that claim. This bring the community to this system where we can share all of our media in a fully interactive world with millions of other people.
Home was the missing chunk to the PS3. Wasdie
To me there is still a huge missing chunk in PSN.
The most important thing they needed to fix was the friends list issues (the ease at which one can invite friends to play in games or rounds,) the ease of in-game messaging, and the lobby nonsense. Sony needs to construct a unified solution to these problems rather than leaving it up to the devs on a game by game basis (history has proven if this happens it simply won't get done 90% of the time.) The heart of a good online gaming service is the ease it allows you to play with other people..... friends and what have you.
3D trophies and a free copy of the SIMS is nice..... but the most important things to fix with PSN are the problems that hinder it as a online gaming match-up service.
[QUOTE="Wasdie"]You forget that Home is exactly what the PS3 needs to be complete. Never once did Sony market it as a total gaming machine, they have always marketed it as a home entertainment console. This only further helps that claim. This bring the community to this system where we can share all of our media in a fully interactive world with millions of other people.
Home was the missing chunk to the PS3. ithilgore2006
I'd rather have some decent games be the filled in "missing chunk", personally. Home is nice, but it's yet another thing that is taking the focus away from games. See the focus of the PS3 was never soley on games. Games are coming for it, by the end of this month many great games will be on the system, enough to hold owners off until all of the delayed 1st party exclusives can be launched.
[QUOTE="FireEmblem24"]I wish Nintendo would talk about whats in development a little bit more. laughingman42
they cant yet because of teh stock trade. But they did show some more information on some previously announced games, like Mario Strikers, Brain Age, and...Zelda: Phantom Hourglass.
Nice post, you bring up some interesting points and explained to me what GDC is (i didn't have a clue.).
Though Nintendo did have good statements(as did MS and Sony) i would like to have heard more about games. Are there any upcoming events (before E3(which i heard became smaller. What happened?) )that will have gaming compaines address the games(in more debt(possibly playable demos and details about the story lines) that they are working on?
Also does nayone know when Nintendo will be able to speak again (in regrads to the whole stock thing.) I am interested in hearing about their online.
Nintendo: "In my opinion, the presentation was much more insightful and interesting." thats something only a hardcore sheep would say, everyone knows sony pwned the GDC.
[QUOTE="-Me_Ur_Daddy-"]Nintendo: "In my opinion, the presentation was much more insightful and interesting." thats something only a hardcore sheep would say, everyone knows sony pwned the GDC. If you look at it as a gamer, then Phil's presentation would have been more interesting. But for a game developer, i would think Miyamoto's presentation much more interesting and insightful. The reason i wrote in the shoes of a developer is because of what the nature of GDC is.
[QUOTE="Pangster007"][QUOTE="-Me_Ur_Daddy-"]Nintendo: "In my opinion, the presentation was much more insightful and interesting." thats something only a hardcore sheep would say, everyone knows sony pwned the GDC. If you look at it as a gamer, then Phil's presentation would have been more interesting. But for a game developer, i would think Miyamoto's presentation much more interesting and insightful. The reason i wrote in the shoes of a developer is because of what the nature of GDC is.you didnt get to see the EDGE demonstration, developers did...
[QUOTE="-Me_Ur_Daddy-"]Nintendo: "In my opinion, the presentation was much more insightful and interesting." thats something only a hardcore sheep would say, everyone knows sony fanboys think sony pwned the GDC. There, fixed.
[QUOTE="Stonin"][QUOTE="-Me_Ur_Daddy-"]Nintendo: "In my opinion, the presentation was much more insightful and interesting." thats something only a hardcore sheep would say, everyone knows sony pwned the GDC. There, fixed. i suppose you think MS pwned it :lol: almost everyone except the hardcore like you knows sony owned GDC.
[QUOTE="-Me_Ur_Daddy-"][QUOTE="Stonin"][QUOTE="-Me_Ur_Daddy-"]Nintendo: "In my opinion, the presentation was much more insightful and interesting." thats something only a hardcore sheep would say, everyone knows sony pwned the GDC. There, fixed. i suppose you think MS pwned it :lol: almost everyone except the hardcore like you knows sony owned GDC. Nope, I don't think you can 'own' a developers conference. I don't know though, maybe I missed the panel of judges giving their verdict at the end but I don't think so. Now put your fanboy back in its cage and move along ;).
[QUOTE="Stonin"][QUOTE="-Me_Ur_Daddy-"][QUOTE="Stonin"][QUOTE="-Me_Ur_Daddy-"]Nintendo: "In my opinion, the presentation was much more insightful and interesting." thats something only a hardcore sheep would say, everyone knows sony pwned the GDC. There, fixed. i suppose you think MS pwned it :lol: almost everyone except the hardcore like you knows sony owned GDC. Nope, I don't think you can 'own' a developers conference. I don't know though, maybe I missed the panel of judges giving their verdict at the end but I don't think so. Now put your fanboy back in its cage and move along ;). i think you should zip up ur fanboy once again everyone is pointing and laughing. you dont wanna get owned again buddy, everyone knows sony owned it and only fanboys like you cant admit that, get a clue buddy...
[QUOTE="-Me_Ur_Daddy-"][QUOTE="Stonin"][QUOTE="-Me_Ur_Daddy-"][QUOTE="Stonin"][QUOTE="-Me_Ur_Daddy-"]Nintendo: "In my opinion, the presentation was much more insightful and interesting." thats something only a hardcore sheep would say, everyone knows sony pwned the GDC. There, fixed. i suppose you think MS pwned it :lol: almost everyone except the hardcore like you knows sony owned GDC. Nope, I don't think you can 'own' a developers conference. I don't know though, maybe I missed the panel of judges giving their verdict at the end but I don't think so. Now put your fanboy back in its cage and move along ;). i think you should zip up ur fanboy once again everyone is pointing and laughing. you dont wanna get owned again buddy, everyone knows sony owned it and only fanboys like you cant admit that, get a clue buddy... I'm no buddy of yours. That aside I fail to see any point at which you 'owned' me....in fact you just changed a few words around and made the same post as before *yawn*. Anyhow, I've had enough of you making yourself look bad so i'm moving onto another thread. Good luck with your future fanboyism.
[QUOTE="Stonin"][QUOTE="-Me_Ur_Daddy-"][QUOTE="Stonin"][QUOTE="-Me_Ur_Daddy-"]Nintendo: "In my opinion, the presentation was much more insightful and interesting." thats something only a hardcore sheep would say, everyone knows sony pwned the GDC.-Me_Ur_Daddy-
There, fixed. i suppose you think MS pwned it :lol: almost everyone except the hardcore like you knows sony owned GDC. Nope, I don't think you can 'own' a developers conference. I don't know though, maybe I missed the panel of judges giving their verdict at the end but I don't think so. Now put your fanboy back in its cage and move along ;). i think you should zip up ur fanboy once again everyone is pointing and laughing. you dont wanna get owned again buddy, everyone knows sony owned it and only fanboys like you cant admit that, get a clue buddy...
I'll admit Sony owned it..but you have too admit that it really doesn't mean anything. It's not like MS and Nintendo came out with there best efforts to steal the show. The GDC doesn't really mean anything. It's supposed to be a conferance for developers, not an event for little fanboys like you. This isn't E3 we are talking about here.Â
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