SONY : Developing on PS3 first will make Xbox 360 games look better

"We see the development just now starting to get going," Sony Computer Entertainment America's VP of product marketing, Scott Steinberg said.

"We're now in our third and fourth generations with first party, and that will start to create some distance with the competition - from our standpoint - but as the third parties begin to move their development to native PS3 and port down to other platforms, they'll start to see their games' fidelity getting better and better - and in fact I think even Xbox 360 games will start to look better as a result.

"There's a historical fact of having the [Xbox 360] dev kits first, so there's the thought of porting down to the late arrivals, but I think that Burnout [Paradise] is a great example of a game that shipped fairly recently that showed what you can do if you start originally on PS3, and we've seen and heard more of that from our third party publisher relations group.

"As they realise that if you start on the PS3 other platforms look better, it starts to become a no-brainer," he added.

- http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=29994

any techies here that can explain what's that all about?

I think most games are still 360 as the lead sku

RE 5 seems to be 360 as the lead
Fallout 3 seems to be 360/PC as the lead
Dead Space since it is EA is 360 as the lead

I think the majority are focused on the 360, just because it is easier to develop for....and the graphical payoff for going the extra mile for PS3 hasn't been worth it so far.

not that Burnout Paradise didn't look sexy.jg4xchamp

godamn it people. there is NO graphical pay off. the PS3 is simply harder to develop for to REACH the 360. thats why so many ports arent up to par. there is no magical secret to the PS3 or any hidden power in it. its a console with an underpowered GPU. the END.

and the graphical payoff for going the extra mile for PS3 hasn't been worth it so far.

jg4xchamp

I don't think people understand what is being said.

If the game is developed on PS3, the ported to 360, it will look better than if the game was developed on 360, then ported to PS3.

At least, i think that's what's being said.

I don't think people understand what is being said.

If the game is developed on PS3, the ported to 360, it will look better than if the game was developed on 360, then ported to PS3.

At least, i think that's what's being said.

SSJ_Nega

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what he's trying to say. Maybe as some kind of incentive for developers to work on PS3 versions of multiplat games first, assuming that what he said is true.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]and the graphical payoff for going the extra mile for PS3 hasn't been worth it so far.

nervmeister

Exclusive PS3 games look impressive but if 360 games got delayed for years then the extra development time would mean it would look just as impressive as any other game. That why some PS3 game look very impressive when they first get announced but by the time it comes out then its just on par with most other games.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]and the graphical payoff for going the extra mile for PS3 hasn't been worth it so far.

nervmeister

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]I think most games are still 360 as the lead sku

RE 5 seems to be 360 as the lead
Fallout 3 seems to be 360/PC as the lead
Dead Space since it is EA is 360 as the lead

I think the majority are focused on the 360, just because it is easier to develop for....and the graphical payoff for going the extra mile for PS3 hasn't been worth it so far.

not that Burnout Paradise didn't look sexy.A-LEGEND

godamn it people. there is NO graphical pay off. the PS3 is simply harder to develop for to REACH the 360. thats why so many ports arent up to par. there is no magical secret to the PS3 or any hidden power in it. its a console with an underpowered GPU. the END.

Richard Lemarchand: It's really cool, though I don't want to make it sound too cheesy. Sony is also doing these great technology outreach efforts, like the Edge tools.

IGN: We're not aware of what they are - educate us.

Richard Lemarchand: Edge tools are distributing for free to all third parties. They were originally developed as first-party tools and were developed in-house at Naughty Dog by a team of super-senior and very experienced games programmers, some of who were Naughty Dog's and some of who were from the Sony family's studios.

Of course, the PlayStation 3 has this really unique system architecture with the Cell processor architecture, which is a GPU surrounded by six SPUs that can do certain kinds of mathematical operations so fast that we consider that we get them pretty much for free. Part of the skill of development for the PlayStation 3 is using the GPU to parcel out jobs to these SPUs in a way that lets you get this terrific throughput of polygons, animation, uncompressing and recompressing things on the fly.

These programmes have been very focused on these SPUs for a long time, and the Edge libraries are all code that run on the SPUs. They're like old school games programmes, they're cycle counters, always shaving another cycle off whatever kind of library operation they're writing. I think it's very far-sighted of Sony to give everyone these tools to build a development community of people who can compare notes with one another to raise the bar across the board for all the PlayStation 3 games.
here is the link nauty dog nows what he is talking about after seeing drake fortune graphics. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/895/895045p2.html

so no the ps 3 gpu has the cell to back it up. the cell is used for gpu functions and here is the proof.

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]and the graphical payoff for going the extra mile for PS3 hasn't been worth it so far.

campbell1874

Exclusive PS3 games look impressive but if 360 games got delayed for years then the extra development time would mean it would look just as impressive as any other game. That why some PS3 game look very impressive when they first get announced but by the time it comes out then its just on par with most other games.

if 360 games got delayed for years then the extra development time would mean it would look just as impressive as any other game.

campbell1874

[QUOTE="SSJ_Nega"]

I don't think people understand what is being said.

If the game is developed on PS3, the ported to 360, it will look better than if the game was developed on 360, then ported to PS3.

At least, i think that's what's being said.

gamefreakomega

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what he's trying to say. Maybe as some kind of incentive for developers to work on PS3 versions of multiplat games first, assuming that what he said is true.

Yup that's the point Sony was trying to get across i think. TO DEVELOPERS- MAKE GAMES ON OUR PLATFORM FIRST, BECAUSE OTHERWISE OUR GAMES LOOK BAD COMPARED TO THE 360 VERSION.

the ps3 is such a giving and humble console. it loves the 360 and wants it to look good too. thats very big of ps3....

anyways, its just pr trash- nothing more.

[QUOTE="campbell1874"]

if 360 games got delayed for years then the extra development time would mean it would look just as impressive as any other game.

nervmeister

I don't think people understand what is being said.

If the game is developed on PS3, the ported to 360, it will look better than if the game was developed on 360, then ported to PS3.

At least, i think that's what's being said.

SSJ_Nega

that's not what this quote would suggest

"As they realise that if you start on the PS3 other platforms look better, it starts to become a no-brainer "

and it's a bold faced lie.

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="campbell1874"]

if 360 games got delayed for years then the extra development time would mean it would look just as impressive as any other game.

jg4xchamp

You guys can't be taking this guy seriously.

He's the vice-president of PRODUCT MARKETING. He is a salesman, not a technical guy. What he is saying is just an attention-grabbing stunt.

There is no significance in his statement. Is what he said going to sway developers to start porting from PS3 to the 360? No. His opinion is irrelevant to the technical world.

This idiot is just spouting hot air.

You guys can't be taking this guy seriously.

He's the vice-president of PRODUCT MARKETING. He is a salesman, not a technical guy. What he is saying is just an attention-grabbing stunt.

There is no significance in his statement. Is what he said going to sway developers to start porting from PS3 to the 360? No. His opinion is irrelevant to the technical world.

This idiot is just spouting hot air.

fellermooty

You guys can't be taking this guy seriously.

He's the vice-president of PRODUCT MARKETING. He is a salesman, not a technical guy. What he is saying is just an attention-grabbing stunt.

There is no significance in his statement. Is what he said going to sway developers to start porting from PS3 to the 360? No. His opinion is irrelevant to the technical world.

This idiot is just spouting hot air.

fellermooty

It's something actual deveopers have said in the past. I can explain to you the technical reasons why, if you'd like.Teufelhuhn

well, developers have said that starting on ps3 and porting to 360 is easier than viceversa but not that the 360's end result would be better than if it was the lead platform.

[QUOTE="A-LEGEND"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]I think most games are still 360 as the lead sku

RE 5 seems to be 360 as the lead
Fallout 3 seems to be 360/PC as the lead
Dead Space since it is EA is 360 as the lead

I think the majority are focused on the 360, just because it is easier to develop for....and the graphical payoff for going the extra mile for PS3 hasn't been worth it so far.

not that Burnout Paradise didn't look sexy.GARRYTH

godamn it people. there is NO graphical pay off. the PS3 is simply harder to develop for to REACH the 360. thats why so many ports arent up to par. there is no magical secret to the PS3 or any hidden power in it. its a console with an underpowered GPU. the END.

Richard Lemarchand: It's really cool, though I don't want to make it sound too cheesy. Sony is also doing these great technology outreach efforts, like the Edge tools.

IGN: We're not aware of what they are - educate us.

Richard Lemarchand: Edge tools are distributing for free to all third parties. They were originally developed as first-party tools and were developed in-house at Naughty Dog by a team of super-senior and very experienced games programmers, some of who were Naughty Dog's and some of who were from the Sony family's studios.

Of course, the PlayStation 3 has this really unique system architecture with the Cell processor architecture, which is a GPU surrounded by six SPUs that can do certain kinds of mathematical operations so fast that we consider that we get them pretty much for free. Part of the skill of development for the PlayStation 3 is using the GPU to parcel out jobs to these SPUs in a way that lets you get this terrific throughput of polygons, animation, uncompressing and recompressing things on the fly.

These programmes have been very focused on these SPUs for a long time, and the Edge libraries are all code that run on the SPUs. They're like old school games programmes, they're cycle counters, always shaving another cycle off whatever kind of library operation they're writing. I think it's very far-sighted of Sony to give everyone these tools to build a development community of people who can compare notes with one another to raise the bar across the board for all the PlayStation 3 games.
here is the link nauty dog nows what he is talking about after seeing drake fortune graphics. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/895/895045p2.html

so no the ps 3 gpu has the cell to back it up. the cell is used for gpu functions and here is the proof.

I ususally dont get into theses debates, but as a software programmer, i must point this out. That article is basically sugar-coating the process for the media. While its true that you can give the SPU's individual jobs, this requires an immense amout of hours and manpower to get all these working in-sync. Lets say we set the one SPU to the physics, animation, shading, particle effects, and water effects. Now imagine those things out of sync when you are playing and there is a delay in the shader rendering and the character went from wireframe to fully shaded, and the animation didnt mesh with the physics(think your character gets hit and didnt react for a full second) this is why it is so hard to dev for the cell because the SPU are sinlgle threaded, and can only handle one task.

burnout developers are ps3 fanboys.

they turned on texture filtering on ps3 version and left it off on 360 version to make it as ps3 version is superior but it's not.

burnout developers are ps3 fanboys.

they turned on texture filtering on ps3 version and left it off on 360 version to make it as ps3 version is superior but it's not.

ahhaahahah

Huh? that comment alone made YOU sound like a 360 fanboy. Everything you said was completely wrong. That is if you have any proof which you dont.

I couldn't help but laugh when I read this. Sony will say anything to make the cows think they made the better purchase going with the PS3. I'll believe it when I see it. So I guess that means I'll never believe it.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]I think most games are still 360 as the lead sku

RE 5 seems to be 360 as the lead
Fallout 3 seems to be 360/PC as the lead
Dead Space since it is EA is 360 as the lead

I think the majority are focused on the 360, just because it is easier to develop for....and the graphical payoff for going the extra mile for PS3 hasn't been worth it so far.

not that Burnout Paradise didn't look sexy.A-LEGEND

godamn it people. there is NO graphical pay off. the PS3 is simply harder to develop for to REACH the 360. thats why so many ports arent up to par. there is no magical secret to the PS3 or any hidden power in it. its a console with an underpowered GPU. the END.

To reach it? It has surpassed the 360 at least twice (Uncharted and MGS4). Multiplats stopped looking better like a year ago. Most games these days either look identical or give a minor advantage to the PS3 (GTA4, DMC4, Burnout Paradise).

I don't think people understand what is being said.

If the game is developed on PS3, the ported to 360, it will look better than if the game was developed on 360, then ported to PS3.

At least, i think that's what's being said.

SSJ_Nega

That's exactly what's being said.

Multiplats stopped looking better like a year ago. Most games these days either look identical or give a minor advantage to the PS3 (GTA4, DMC4, Burnout Paradise).

excelR83

This is completely untrue, why do people keep saying this?? Read the comparisons here, 360 multiplats are almost always technically superior. Eurogamer tests are done in collaberation with Beyond3D I believe, pretty much the only place worth listening to regarding 3D graphics.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=202449

Developing on the PS3 first will waste Xbox 360 resources.

This is what happens when the VP of MARKETING talks about development! What a bunch of BS. Native development will almost always looks better because they will have access to features not supported by the other framework. Some of you guys will believe anything posted on the interwebs.lhughey

And if the system is on another console, those features will be shut off? Does the PS3 devkit check gamespot for exclusivity deals?

He actually has an interesting point, though I can't know if it's actually true.

The logic goes like this:

The PS3 is a system that requires a lot more care to develop properly for, requiring some very specific optimization.

The 360 is a simpler system, but also uses multiple simultaneous threads.

Developing a PS3 game and then moving on to 360 development will leave you with an already optimized core.

Thus, a game that was optimized for PS3 and then moved to 360 will show improvement over a game that never had such a step.

To reach it? It has surpassed the 360 at least twice (Uncharted and MGS4). Multiplats stopped looking better like a year ago. Most games these days either look identical or give a minor advantage to the PS3 (GTA4, DMC4, Burnout Paradise).

excelR83

My God I hope Devs doesn't take this crap seriously. If these happens multiplat games will take years to finish. Porting a game from PS3 to 360 will make the latter look better? :lol: nice words coming from a 360 competitor ocinom