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#1 ninjapirate2000
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Former Senior Manager reviews Sony on Glassdoor.

Pros Great product, friendly co-workers, fun industry. I loved work here at PlayStation, mostly because of the industry. I learned a lot of what NOT to do!

Cons Executive Mgmt is clueless. PS Move, 3D and PS Vita are all failures. PS Mobile will be the next failure. I don't have a lot of confidence that Orbis will sell well as I don't see it selling to the casual audience. They simply don't need it. The company is quickly losing support of their 3rd Party Publishers.

Advice to Senior Management Improve marketing and focus on your core gamer. Repair the relationship with 3rd Party Publishers. Stop investing in low margin areas where you can't compete, like casual games. Focus on the core gamer. That is your market!

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#2 jman1553
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If only Sony would take that advice.

PS3 has sold very well. Though it is still in third place, it's still not too shabby considering the steep launch price and lack of games early on. What really got the system selling was the games for the core gamers. The PS Move/ Wii-knockoff is practically dead, because nobody wants to spend $300 on a Playstation: Wii edition when they could just buy the actual Nintendo console for half the price.

I think if Sony wants their gaming decision to survive, they should focus on the more "hardcore gamers," because while the market for casual gamers is tremendously larger than the core gamer market, to properly catch the attention of the casual gamers, you have to put all of your focus into it. PlayStation's name has never been known to be exclusively casual, so attempting to make a complete turnaround to a casual system will only alienate their previous market, while confusing their target audience in the process.

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#3 ninjapirate2000
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He contridicts himself though saying to focus on the core gamer but mentioning that the Orbis won't sell to the casuals.

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[QUOTE="jman1553"]If only Sony would take that advice. PS3 has sold very well. Though it is still in third place, it's still not too shabby considering the steep launch price and lack of games early on. What really got the system selling was the games for the core gamers. The PS Move/ Wii-knockoff is practically dead, because nobody wants to spend $300 on a Playstation: Wii edition when they could just buy the actual Nintendo console for half the price. I think if Sony wants their gaming decision to survive, they should focus on the more "hardcore gamers," because while the market for casual gamers is tremendously larger than the core gamer market, to properly catch the attention of the casual gamers, you have to put all of your focus into it. PlayStation's name has never been known to be exclusively casual, so attempting to make a complete turnaround to a casual system will only alienate their previous market, while confusing their target audience in the process.

This 1000x over. Sony can make a killing if they knuckle down and knock the PS4 out of the park with hardcore focus. MS is torn between the two markets and all it would take is Sony getting some seriously good games for the PS4's launch to secure the hardcore fanbase.
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#5 Maneil99
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Doesn't make sense, is he saying the Orbis won't be made for casuals but then says sony should focus on the core?

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#6 LegatoSkyheart
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He contridicts himself though saying to focus on the core gamer but mentioning that the Orbis won't sell to the casuals.

ninjapirate2000

What's more contradicting is that the Playstation Vita is more geared to the Core Gamer, yet it's bombing like crazy.

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#7 fueled-system
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He contridicts himself though saying to focus on the core gamer but mentioning that the Orbis won't sell to the casuals.

ninjapirate2000
It doesn't mean just to causuals but to appeal to both It could go anywhere from innovation to price and price as we all know was a big reason for sony's slow start in the west
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#8 PSP107
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He contridicts himself though saying to focus on the core gamer but mentioning that the Orbis won't sell to the casuals.

ninjapirate2000
That poped in my head aswell. Wish he went into depth with that.
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#9 jsmoke03
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[QUOTE="ninjapirate2000"]

He contridicts himself though saying to focus on the core gamer but mentioning that the Orbis won't sell to the casuals.

PSP107
That poped in my head aswell. Wish he went into depth with that.

i dont see the contradiction. orbis sounds like its aimed at casuals....
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The PS Move is so typical of Sony. They release a new peripheral and near enough cease support and marketing there and then. People criticize Kinect, but at least MS are trying with it, with some successes here and there.

Sony need so badly to focus on marketing, it's critically weak. What good is having all these 1st party developers with unique games if all you do is release their games into the wild to die. It crazy.

And good lord what is the matter with them releasing the Vita like that given their current financial state. It is just a mess of a business model. Release an extremely expensive handheld and just watch it to see what happens. The board at Sony are a bunch of melons, no wonder they're in financial trouble. What moron green lit Vitas business model. Look at the difference in effort in support that Nintendo gives to their handheld and Sonys.

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#11 fernandmondego_
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He contridicts himself though saying to focus on the core gamer but mentioning that the Orbis won't sell to the casuals.

ninjapirate2000
What I got out of that is that Orbis will be geared/focus towards casuals but that he doesn't think they will buy it.
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#12 PinkiePirate
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I pretty much agree with him. It would be awesome if the PS4 returend to the greatness of the PS1 and PS2.

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#13 Saladin__7
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Good advice.
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#14 danjammer69
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He contridicts himself though saying to focus on the core gamer but mentioning that the Orbis won't sell to the casuals.

ninjapirate2000
Exactly what I was thinking.
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#15 Ghost120x
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Now would be a good time to change management. It seems like the management consists of a bunch of old people who are out of touch with what people want nowadays. Also a lot of employees have been staying in this same job for a long time which means they have gotten too comfortable with the job and that can create a lack of innovation. They also need to keep that 3rd party support going strong because their exclusives have massive budgets with little return.
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#16 Newhopes
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Nothing contradictory about this, could be worded better though it's almost as bad as google translate.

Basically what he said is Sony's orbis is going to aimed at the casuals (WII style) and he thinks it'll flop, he thinks it should be aimed at the core gamers.

Also 3rd partys are no longer supporting Sony like they used to which is something we already knew.

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#17 PSP107
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[QUOTE="Newhopes"]

Nothing contradictory about this, could be worded better though it's almost as bad as google translate.

Basically what he said is Sony's orbis is going to aimed at the casuals (WII style) and he thinks it'll flop, he thinks it should be aimed at the core gamers.

Also 3rd partys are no longer supporting Sony like they used to which is something we already knew.

How are they not support Sony anymore. 3rd party are just doing less exclusives.
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[QUOTE="Newhopes"]

Nothing contradictory about this, could be worded better though it's almost as bad as google translate.

Basically what he said is Sony's orbis is going to aimed at the casuals (WII style) and he thinks it'll flop, he thinks it should be aimed at the core gamers.

Also 3rd partys are no longer supporting Sony like they used to which is something we already knew.

PSP107

How are they not support Sony anymore. 3rd party are just doing less exclusives.

Go look at the Vita's line up.

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I agree with the review. Focus on your strength sony which is the core gamers and please get better at marketing your products.

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#20 fueled-system
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I agree with the review. Focus on your strength sony which is the core gamers and please get better at marketing your products.

super600
They would have to fire alot of people in the PR and Marketing first because the whole ps3/vita division is utter utter trash. Watching that Playstation All Stars commerical was downright comical and awkward
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#21 burgeg
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I pretty much agree with him. It would be awesome if the PS4 returend to the greatness of the PS1 and PS2.

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PS3>>>>>>>>>>>PS1 and PS2. Just not in sales. Seriously, PS3 is a ridiculously good console and even better than the PS1 and PS2. It might not sell as well, but sure as hell has the games.

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[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

I pretty much agree with him. It would be awesome if the PS4 returend to the greatness of the PS1 and PS2.

burgeg

PS3>>>>>>>>>>>PS1 and PS2. Just not in sales. Seriously, PS3 is a ridiculously good console and even better than the PS1 and PS2. It might not sell as well, but sure as hell has the games.

lol no.

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#23 burgeg
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[QUOTE="burgeg"]

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

I pretty much agree with him. It would be awesome if the PS4 returend to the greatness of the PS1 and PS2.

D4W1L4H

PS3>>>>>>>>>>>PS1 and PS2. Just not in sales. Seriously, PS3 is a ridiculously good console and even better than the PS1 and PS2. It might not sell as well, but sure as hell has the games.

lol no.

Strong argument. If we're talking in comparison to the competition, of course PS3 doesn't dominate the competition the way PS1 and PS2 did. Generally PS3 and 360 are pretty even, whereas PS1 and PS2 wiped the floor with the competition. But here's a fact for you. PS3 still has more quality games than PS1 and PS2. It might share most of those games with the 360, but it's still true. PS3 has more quality games than PS1 and PS2, and then some. If we're purely talking exclusives? Maybe not, since the third party support is all shared with the 360 this gen. But in the real world where we look at the entire library of a system and not just the number of exclusives, PS3 was an even better system than PS1 and PS2. Plus PS3 is simply better than the PS1 and PS2 because gaming is better now than it was then. Gaming gets better over time. Of course most people like to deny that and look at previous gens with nostalgia goggles.

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#24 Easyle
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[QUOTE="ninjapirate2000"]

He contridicts himself though saying to focus on the core gamer but mentioning that the Orbis won't sell to the casuals.

LegatoSkyheart

What's more contradicting is that the Playstation Vita is more geared to the Core Gamer, yet it's bombing like crazy.

When there is less than 10 games made for the thing, do you think it would do well?
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#25 Gxgear
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You guys know anyone can post a review on Glassdoor right? His language and tone doesn't even sound like someone who's worked in the industry, but rather someone who frequents SW.

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#26 moistsandwich
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He contridicts himself though saying to focus on the core gamer but mentioning that the Orbis won't sell to the casuals.

ninjapirate2000

you misunderstand... he is saying the same thing with both comments... it won't sell to casuals, meaning thats what Sony's aim is.... and then at the same time saying "they should be focusing on core gamers instead".

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#27 deactivated-5cd08b1605da1
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If the orbis is really aimed at casuals then count me out. As much as I like Sony as a company I'm not a blind follower like most sheep that bought a Wii or a Wii U only because its from Nintendo.

I guess PC will have to do for next gen if this is true

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#28 Ghost120x
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You guys know anyone can post a review on Glassdoor right? His language and tone doesn't even sound like someone who's worked in the industry, but rather someone who frequents SW.

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i was thinking the same thing. I read a few reviews and they didn't sound like most of them knew what they were even talking about. Plus majority of them were just QA testers whining about senior management :lol:
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#30 GamerwillzPS
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"I don't see it selling to the casual audience" - regarding the Orbis.

Good news.

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#31 delta3074
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[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

I pretty much agree with him. It would be awesome if the PS4 returend to the greatness of the PS1 and PS2.

burgeg

PS3>>>>>>>>>>>PS1 and PS2. Just not in sales. Seriously, PS3 is a ridiculously good console and even better than the PS1 and PS2. It might not sell as well, but sure as hell has the games.

PS1 had more exclusive games than Ps2, Ps2 had more Exclusive games than the Ps3, a lot of developers that traditionally only made games for SONY's consoles the last 2 generations suddenly decided to go multiplat this generation.
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#32 jwsoul
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SONY seem bent on doing anything and everything to annhilate their gaming division. The Move what a joke to make it wose they seem compelled to flog a dead horse. Its tiring watching even large companies die because of this miss management. I often feel given i could makr more accurate and informed choices. They miss the mark constantly and negelect the target audience to the point they feel aleinated. Its not just Sony either. Benefit of hindsight i guess.

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[QUOTE="D4W1L4H"]

[QUOTE="burgeg"]PS3>>>>>>>>>>>PS1 and PS2. Just not in sales. Seriously, PS3 is a ridiculously good console and even better than the PS1 and PS2. It might not sell as well, but sure as hell has the games.

burgeg

lol no.

Strong argument. If we're talking in comparison to the competition, of course PS3 doesn't dominate the competition the way PS1 and PS2 did. Generally PS3 and 360 are pretty even, whereas PS1 and PS2 wiped the floor with the competition. But here's a fact for you. PS3 still has more quality games than PS1 and PS2. It might share most of those games with the 360, but it's still true. PS3 has more quality games than PS1 and PS2, and then some. If we're purely talking exclusives? Maybe not, since the third party support is all shared with the 360 this gen. But in the real world where we look at the entire library of a system and not just the number of exclusives, PS3 was an even better system than PS1 and PS2. Plus PS3 is simply better than the PS1 and PS2 because gaming is better now than it was then. Gaming gets better over time. Of course most people like to deny that and look at previous gens with nostalgia goggles.

it definitly doesn't, espeically when you take into acount diversity, half the exclusives on ps3 are shooters... resistance, uncharted, killzone, warhawk/starthawk, Gaming has not gotten better over time, we've just focused a lot more on a particular genre while starving all of the other genres making almost anything acceptable.

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#34 DanteSuikoden
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We're basing this off a review any person can make?

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#35 PSP107
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[QUOTE="Newhopes"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="Newhopes"]

Nothing contradictory about this, could be worded better though it's almost as bad as google translate.

Basically what he said is Sony's orbis is going to aimed at the casuals (WII style) and he thinks it'll flop, he thinks it should be aimed at the core gamers.

Also 3rd partys are no longer supporting Sony like they used to which is something we already knew.

How are they not support Sony anymore. 3rd party are just doing less exclusives.

Go look at the Vita's line up.

Oh l was thinking about PS3. I mean PSP didnt really have a strong 3rd party support anyway.
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#36 PSP107
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[QUOTE="burgeg"]

[QUOTE="D4W1L4H"]

[QUOTE="burgeg"]PS3>>>>>>>>>>>PS1 and PS2. Just not in sales. Seriously, PS3 is a ridiculously good console and even better than the PS1 and PS2. It might not sell as well, but sure as hell has the games.

lol no.

Strong argument. If we're talking in comparison to the competition, of course PS3 doesn't dominate the competition the way PS1 and PS2 did. Generally PS3 and 360 are pretty even, whereas PS1 and PS2 wiped the floor with the competition. But here's a fact for you. PS3 still has more quality games than PS1 and PS2. It might share most of those games with the 360, but it's still true. PS3 has more quality games than PS1 and PS2, and then some. If we're purely talking exclusives? Maybe not, since the third party support is all shared with the 360 this gen. But in the real world where we look at the entire library of a system and not just the number of exclusives, PS3 was an even better system than PS1 and PS2. Plus PS3 is simply better than the PS1 and PS2 because gaming is better now than it was then. Gaming gets better over time. Of course most people like to deny that and look at previous gens with nostalgia goggles.

nope, D4WL4H is right. PS3 doesnt come close to PS1/PS2 when it comes to games.
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#37 themyth01
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[QUOTE="ninjapirate2000"]

He contridicts himself though saying to focus on the core gamer but mentioning that the Orbis won't sell to the casuals.

LegatoSkyheart

What's more contradicting is that the Playstation Vita is more geared to the Core Gamer, yet it's bombing like crazy.

Not from a software standpoint, from a software standpoint it's not geared to anyone. Few games and most are ports. Vita has nothing to identify it when it comes to software. If he is referring to software then it makes sense because you make a core gaming machine that has software to appeal to any kind of gamer, kind of like the PS2. A core machine with casual appeal, no gimmicks.
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#38 Drasonak
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Uhh... How do we know who he says he is? :|
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#39 deactivated-5cd08b1605da1
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[QUOTE="Newhopes"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"] How are they not support Sony anymore. 3rd party are just doing less exclusives.PSP107

Go look at the Vita's line up.

Oh l was thinking about PS3. I mean PSP didnt really have a strong 3rd party support anyway.

what are you talkin about? The PSP had plenty of 3rd party support. Mainly Japanese devs though but still plenty of exclusive games coming from SE, Capcom, Rockstar, Konami, etc etc

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#40 PSP107
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[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="Newhopes"]

Go look at the Vita's line up.

Oh l was thinking about PS3. I mean PSP didnt really have a strong 3rd party support anyway.

what are you talkin about? The PSP had plenty of 3rd party support. Mainly Japanese devs though but still plenty of exclusive games coming from SE, Capcom, Rockstar, Konami, etc etc

It comparison to PS1/PS2, it didnt.
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#41 Gue1
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He contridicts himself though saying to focus on the core gamer but mentioning that the Orbis won't sell to the casuals.

ninjapirate2000

English is not even my first language but I can tell that your English comprehension skills are lacking because he doesn't contradicts in any way. And beside, this wouldn't be the first time that Kotaku has interviewed some employee from some random company and then everything ends up being just a fallacy, this happens to them almost in a daily basis. At the end they even say that they have no idea if the guy's actually a Sony employee or not....

Sony had a bad start but right now between the big 3 they are the undisputed best (yeah, true hurts lems). Just look at all the GOTYs and the line-up of exclusives for next year.

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#44 ninjapirate2000
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[QUOTE="ninjapirate2000"]

He contridicts himself though saying to focus on the core gamer but mentioning that the Orbis won't sell to the casuals.

Gue1

English is not even my first language but I can tell that your English comprehension skills are lacking because he doesn't contradicts in any way. And beside, this wouldn't be the first time that Kotaku has interviewed some employee from some random company and then everything ends up being just a fallacy, this happens to them almost in a daily basis. At the end they even say that they have no idea if the guy's actually a Sony employee or not....

Sony had a bad start but right now between the big 3 they are the undisputed best (yeah, true hurts lems). Just look at all the GOTYs and the line-up of exclusives for next year.

Kotaku didn't interview him. What happened to the ps3 this year? All of Sony's investment have failed, 3D, move, and the Vita.
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#45 Lief_Ericson
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He contridicts himself though saying to focus on the core gamer but mentioning that the Orbis won't sell to the casuals.

ninjapirate2000
Yeah but it needs casual sales to survive so it can deliver to core
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#46 1080pOnly
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All in all it's just a---nother brick in the wall
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#47 PSP107
Member since 2007 • 18977 Posts
[QUOTE="Gue1"]

[QUOTE="ninjapirate2000"]

He contridicts himself though saying to focus on the core gamer but mentioning that the Orbis won't sell to the casuals.

English is not even my first language but I can tell that your English comprehension skills are lacking because he doesn't contradicts in any way. And beside, this wouldn't be the first time that Kotaku has interviewed some employee from some random company and then everything ends up being just a fallacy, this happens to them almost in a daily basis. At the end they even say that they have no idea if the guy's actually a Sony employee or not....

Sony had a bad start but right now between the big 3 they are the undisputed best (yeah, true hurts lems). Just look at all the GOTYs and the line-up of exclusives for next year.

Whats your native language?
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#48 jhcho2
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All big companies will always be somewhat clueless about what is going on with their product. And some of you guys are talking as if Microsoft isn't guilty of the same thing. Microsoft is probably the most clueless of the big 3. Nintendo isn't completely innocent as well. Their poor online support for the Wii and Wii U, the lack of HDD, and hardware which is vastly inferior to their competitors earns them the 'clueless' award as well. Nobody is saying that the Wii should have had the best hardware, but if it at least had comparable hardware to the 360 and ps3, the Wii wouldn't have lost as much 3rd party support as they did. In the end, the Wii became the best selling console nobody really wanted.