Sony exclusives are better than Nintendo's (proof)

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#1 darkdude2k12
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Obviously, Nintendo's been absolutely crackers about rehashing an inch high plumber since the NES days. (although, I'll be fair and give Yoshi's island and SMW a pass)

But what's even more enjoyable about this thread would be the fact that Sony trumped Nintendo the entire time with better franchises from the PS1 til' now. Let's discuss-

PS1 had Syphon Filter, Metal Gear Solid, Parappa, Ninja- Shadow of Darkness, GT etc. Couple that with the fact that it had a ridiculous amount of third party games that were exclusive to the PS1 and we have the obvious winner. (Of course, the Saturn was an excellent piece of hardware)

N64 had Mario, Zelda, a crappy DK game and SSB. (which was not better than Saturn's Fighters Megamix or PS1's Tekken 3)

Strike one.

PS2 had Jak, Jak and Daxter, Yakuza, Sly Cooper, Rachet and Clank, God of War, Killzone, SOTC, ICO, MGS3 etc. Plus a ridiculous amount of exclusive third party games.

Gamecube had Mario, Mario Party continued from N64 (rehash), Zelda-Twilight Princess and it's worst in the form of Luigi's Mansion (what a terrible piece of sh!t game)

Strike 2.

PS3 has GOW3, LBP (which trumped Mario), Uncharted, Infamous, Killzone, Resistance, Warhawk, Heavy Rain and soon to be The Last of Us (which will be the greatest 7th gen game; period)

Wii had?

Oh. SMG and SMG rehash. The worst Zelda. The worst Donkey Kong, and more Mario. Plus gimmick control.

Sony's always been better. The proof's in the pudding.

So much for being innovative when Nintendo's only been Mario.

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Another invisible troll thread:shock:

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I think TC has a crush on Nintendo:oops:

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#4 super600  Moderator
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I think TC has a crush on Nintendo:oops:

lundy86_4

I think he loves to rehash and has a crush on Ninty.

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#5 PannicAtack
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You omitting titles or lumping multiple titles into one is "proof"?
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#6 Zeviander
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Constantly having to "prove" something to others tends to imply insecurity about something else. In this case, I think it might be insecurity about Sony, and possibly even buyer's remorse.
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#7 Mitazaki
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Ummm, Metal Gear Solid is not a Sony exclusive, again proving you have no idea what you are talking about

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#8 dragonball3900
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Trolls keep on trolling.
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#9 speedfreak48t5p
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Ummm, Metal Gear Solid is not a Sony exclusive

Mitazaki

Nor a game. Movies don't count TC.

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I think TC has a crush on Nintendo:oops:

lundy86_4
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#11 Zeviander
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Ummm, Metal Gear Solid is not a Sony exclusive, again proving you have no idea what you are talking aboutMitazaki
Metal Gear Solid 4 is the only exclusive MGS game. And the series began on a Nintendo console (Metal Gear on NES/MSX2).
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#12 hippiesanta
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[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]

Ummm, Metal Gear Solid is not a Sony exclusive

speedfreak48t5p

Nor a game. Movies don't count TC.

snake eater doesn't count... because it's not entirely kojima
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Ummm, Metal Gear Solid is not a Sony exclusive, again proving you have no idea what you are talking about

Mitazaki
All the good ones are for Sony, idiot.
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#14 Mitazaki
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[QUOTE="speedfreak48t5p"]

[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]

Ummm, Metal Gear Solid is not a Sony exclusive

hippiesanta

Nor a game. Movies don't count TC.

snake eater doesn't count... because it's not entirely kojima

I am confused on what Snake Eater has to do with this...

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Gotta love how he just lumps Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask under "Zelda" despite them being two different games, and refers to SMG 2 as "rehash" despite gleefully listing God of War 3 under the Sony box. Also amusing omissions of Conker's Bad Fur Day, Eternal Darkness, Geist, Metroid Prime, Goldeneye 007, PerfectDark, Banjo-Kazooie, Red Steel 2, and Pinkmin.
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tl:dr

trolls gonna troll

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#17 Mitazaki
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[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]

Ummm, Metal Gear Solid is not a Sony exclusive, again proving you have no idea what you are talking about

darkdude2k12

All the good ones are for Sony, idiot.

I am the idiot, yet you put up a game that's not exclusive, wow.

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#18 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]

Ummm, Metal Gear Solid is not a Sony exclusive, again proving you have no idea what you are talking about

darkdude2k12
All the good ones are for Sony, idiot.

So the original Metal Gear Solid isn't good? Then why did you list it with the PS1?
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This generation, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune >>> God of War 3 >>> SMG1/2 >>> All other PS3 exclusives Then you bring in the 360 which has great games too, and it's a three-way awesome sauce.
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NOPE
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[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]

Ummm, Metal Gear Solid is not a Sony exclusive, again proving you have no idea what you are talking about

darkdude2k12

All the good ones are for Sony, idiot.

All the games in the "Solid" series were good. Only one of them was exclusive.

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[QUOTE="darkdude2k12"][QUOTE="Mitazaki"]

Ummm, Metal Gear Solid is not a Sony exclusive, again proving you have no idea what you are talking about

lundy86_4

All the good ones are for Sony, idiot.

All the games in the "Solid" series were good. Only one of them was exclusive.

Metal Gear Solid was not an exclusive for the PS1 in the 5th gen? Do provide proof.
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="darkdude2k12"] All the good ones are for Sony, idiot. darkdude2k12

All the games in the "Solid" series were good. Only one of them was exclusive.

Metal Gear Solid was not an exclusive for the PS1 in the 5th gen? Do provide proof.

Done.

It straddles the 5th/6th gen, but I don't see why your arbitrary limitation would make it exclusive :?

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="darkdude2k12"] All the good ones are for Sony, idiot. darkdude2k12

All the games in the "Solid" series were good. Only one of them was exclusive.

Metal Gear Solid was not an exclusive for the PS1 in the 5th gen? Do provide proof.

Sure.

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Gotta love how he just lumps Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask under "Zelda" despite them being two different games, and refers to SMG 2 as "rehash" despite gleefully listing God of War 3 under the Sony box. Also amusing omissions of Conker's Bad Fur Day, Eternal Darkness, Geist, Metroid Prime, Goldeneye 007, PerfectDark, Banjo-Kazooie, Red Steel 2, and Pinkmin.

Is that all, loser?
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#26 Merex760
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I like the part where you consider Nintendo sequels rehashes, but are perfectly fine with Killzone, Little Big Planet, Infamous, God of War, Gran Turismo and their sequels. Why not save your allowance and enjoy every system instead of coming here and trying to justify owning the one system you have?

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#27 darkdude2k12
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[QUOTE="darkdude2k12"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

All the games in the "Solid" series were good. Only one of them was exclusive.

PannicAtack

Metal Gear Solid was not an exclusive for the PS1 in the 5th gen? Do provide proof.

Sure.

PC's not a console, dummy.

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[QUOTE="darkdude2k12"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Gotta love how he just lumps Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask under "Zelda" despite them being two different games, and refers to SMG 2 as "rehash" despite gleefully listing God of War 3 under the Sony box. Also amusing omissions of Conker's Bad Fur Day, Eternal Darkness, Geist, Metroid Prime, Goldeneye 007, PerfectDark, Banjo-Kazooie, Red Steel 2, and Pinkmin.

Is that all, loser?

I'm a loser for pointing our your fallacies?
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="darkdude2k12"] Metal Gear Solid was not an exclusive for the PS1 in the 5th gen? Do provide proof. darkdude2k12

Sure.

PC's not a console, dummy.

So?

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="darkdude2k12"] Metal Gear Solid was not an exclusive for the PS1 in the 5th gen? Do provide proof. darkdude2k12

Sure.

PC's not a console, dummy.

and this is system wars, not console wars idiot. again you only show just how stupid you really are.

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#31 Mitazaki
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[QUOTE="darkdude2k12"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Gotta love how he just lumps Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask under "Zelda" despite them being two different games, and refers to SMG 2 as "rehash" despite gleefully listing God of War 3 under the Sony box. Also amusing omissions of Conker's Bad Fur Day, Eternal Darkness, Geist, Metroid Prime, Goldeneye 007, PerfectDark, Banjo-Kazooie, Red Steel 2, and Pinkmin.PannicAtack
Is that all, loser?

I'm a loser for pointing our your fallacies?

of course, oh and not a "real" gamer as well.....

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The moment i saw the word "proof" in the title i knew this was gonna be good.
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#33 PannicAtack
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The moment i saw the word "proof" in the title i knew this was gonna be good.cfstar
Hm. Maybe he's actually Aku101...
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[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]Ummm, Metal Gear Solid is not a Sony exclusive, again proving you have no idea what you are talking aboutZeviander
Metal Gear Solid 4 is the only exclusive MGS game. And the series began on a Nintendo console (Metal Gear on NES/MSX2).

Not entirely correct. Metal Gear started on the MSX, a Microsoft home computer. It was later ported to the NES.
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#36 GreenGoblin2099
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Pretty much depends on what you're looking for on these exclusives... I'm inclined to think yes, Sony's exclusives are better than Ninty's but I can see why others might think otherwise.

In the end, it's a matter of choice (opinion), not facts... so same goes for those who've quickly replied with a sound "No".

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Lol, I know SW thinks its all hardcore and mature because Sony releases games where you blow things up but from a gameplay standard and frankly a quality standard nintendo takes a dump all over Sony. Sony first party is not that good period. Strip away the production value and you aren't left with anything out of this world. It'll be apparent in 10 years (actually less).

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You omitted like the 5 best gamecube exclusives.
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#39 speedfog
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I see no proof.

No discussion need here, its all opinion.

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ZylChop, quit trolling!! :x
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Lol, I know SW thinks its all hardcore and mature because Sony releases games where you blow things up but from a gameplay standard and frankly a quality standard nintendo takes a dump all over Sony. Sony first party is not that good period. Strip away the production value and you aren't left with anything out of this world. It'll be apparent in 10 years (actually less).

ActicEdge

So Sony exclusives suck because high prodcution values??? lol this is one lame comment alright...Same can be said about Ninty: "strip away the well known characters and no one would give a sh!t about them"

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Lol, I know SW thinks its all hardcore and mature because Sony releases games where you blow things up but from a gameplay standard and frankly a quality standard nintendo takes a dump all over Sony. Sony first party is not that good period. Strip away the production value and you aren't left with anything out of this world. It'll be apparent in 10 years (actually less).

GreenGoblin2099

So Sony exclusives suck because high prodcution values??? lol this is one lame comment alright...Same can be said about Ninty: "strip away the well known characters and no one would give a sh!t about them"

They don't suck, they just aren't anything special. The high production values are the only things covering up the fact that the games don't have any defining features or leading gameplay ideas. Sorry but that is the truth of the matter. You can say what you want about nintendo games without the characters but I know that I would enjoy those games the same without it having Mario or Zelda on the box because I'm interested in good design and entertainment. A nice exterior can't make those things hence why I am not impressed by Sony's offerings like the masses aroung here are. Truth hurts don't it?

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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Lol, I know SW thinks its all hardcore and mature because Sony releases games where you blow things up but from a gameplay standard and frankly a quality standard nintendo takes a dump all over Sony. Sony first party is not that good period. Strip away the production value and you aren't left with anything out of this world. It'll be apparent in 10 years (actually less).

ActicEdge

So Sony exclusives suck because high prodcution values??? lol this is one lame comment alright...Same can be said about Ninty: "strip away the well known characters and no one would give a sh!t about them"

They don't suck, they just aren't anything special. The high production values are the only things covering up the fact that the games don't have any defining features or leading gameplay ideas. Sorry but that is the truth of the matter. You can say what you want about nintendo games without the characters but I know that I would enjoy those games the same without it having Mario or Zelda on the box because I'm interested in good design and entertainment. A nice exterior can't make those things hence why I am not impressed by Sony's offerings like the masses aroung here are. Truth hurts don't it?

How the heck aren't Sony exclusives full of good design and entertainment?

Have you even played games like Jak and Daxter? Or Killzone? Or Uncharted? God of War?

No Nintendo game comes near God of War in terms of technical prowess and design. God of War has been cloned countless times by third person action titles. I don't see anyone copying Zelda or Mario lmao.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

So Sony exclusives suck because high prodcution values??? lol this is one lame comment alright...Same can be said about Ninty: "strip away the well known characters and no one would give a sh!t about them"

darkdude2k12

They don't suck, they just aren't anything special. The high production values are the only things covering up the fact that the games don't have any defining features or leading gameplay ideas. Sorry but that is the truth of the matter. You can say what you want about nintendo games without the characters but I know that I would enjoy those games the same without it having Mario or Zelda on the box because I'm interested in good design and entertainment. A nice exterior can't make those things hence why I am not impressed by Sony's offerings like the masses aroung here are. Truth hurts don't it?

How the heck aren't Sony exclusives full of good design and entertainment?

Have you even played games like Jak and Daxter? Or Killzone? Or Uncharted? God of War?

No Nintendo game comes near God of War in terms of technical prowess and design. God of War has been cloned countless times by third person action titles. I don't see anyone copying Zelda or Mario lmao.

No duh!Ninty was using a weaker console this gen and a couple of their gamecube games beat God of War 1 and 2 in graphics.

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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Lol, I know SW thinks its all hardcore and mature because Sony releases games where you blow things up but from a gameplay standard and frankly a quality standard nintendo takes a dump all over Sony. Sony first party is not that good period. Strip away the production value and you aren't left with anything out of this world. It'll be apparent in 10 years (actually less).

ActicEdge

So Sony exclusives suck because high prodcution values??? lol this is one lame comment alright...Same can be said about Ninty: "strip away the well known characters and no one would give a sh!t about them"

They don't suck, they just aren't anything special. The high production values are the only things covering up the fact that the games don't have any defining features or leading gameplay ideas. Sorry but that is the truth of the matter. You can say what you want about nintendo games without the characters but I know that I would enjoy those games the same without it having Mario or Zelda on the box because I'm interested in good design and entertainment. A nice exterior can't make those things hence why I am not impressed by Sony's offerings like the masses aroung here are. Truth hurts don't it?

Hardly to think you or anyone else would look at a Nintendo game without Mario or Link but with John and Joe instead... it wouldn't get the attention in the first place so you wouldn't even enjoy it even if it was the same stuff as Mario or Link and this is an undeniable truth. I mean, there's a reason Nintendo won't venture outside their well-known fomula... they know it wouldn't appeal as much.

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Time to come out of the closet, little boy, and admit that you actually like Nintendo games. Can't deny it forever.

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#47 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

So Sony exclusives suck because high prodcution values??? lol this is one lame comment alright...Same can be said about Ninty: "strip away the well known characters and no one would give a sh!t about them"

darkdude2k12

They don't suck, they just aren't anything special. The high production values are the only things covering up the fact that the games don't have any defining features or leading gameplay ideas. Sorry but that is the truth of the matter. You can say what you want about nintendo games without the characters but I know that I would enjoy those games the same without it having Mario or Zelda on the box because I'm interested in good design and entertainment. A nice exterior can't make those things hence why I am not impressed by Sony's offerings like the masses aroung here are. Truth hurts don't it?

How the heck aren't Sony exclusives full of good design and entertainment?

Have you even played games like Jak and Daxter? Or Killzone? Or Uncharted? God of War?

No Nintendo game comes near God of War in terms of technical prowess and design. God of War has been cloned countless times by third person action titles. I don't see anyone copying Zelda or Mario lmao.

Of course I have, I wouldn't be talking if I hadn't. The first Jak and Daxter is hardly a good game in 2012 (though I do have to give it leeway because of how early in the PS2's life it came out, Jak 2 was a significant improvement and holds up fairly well (not amazing but worthy of play through). Jak 3 I didn't play. Lol at Killzone 1, game was total ass. Killzone 2, I thought it was boring though I don't like FPS so its not like I'm going to really enjoy KZ, Halo, Crysis, CoD etc anyway. Uncharted? The gameplay is behind other TPS imo, there is nothing new or exciting about it. It gets the job done but its nothing special. GoW? :lol: Way inferior to other games in the genre like DMC, NG and Bayonetta.

Lol, GoW is nothing special in terms of design. People copy it because its simple and popular. Its alot harder to copy something with actual gameplay brilliance like the early DMC games, or Ninja Gaidan Black or Bayonetta. Forget comparing Sony too Nintendo, compare it to the rest of the field and its obvious its not top dog. There aren't any 3D platformers beating SMG1&2, there aren't any 2D platformers beating Nintendo's output (lol no Rayman Origins is not) there aren't any console JRPGs competing with Xenoblade (well I suppose Demon Souls if you wanna consider it a JRPG I submit though its actually one of Sony's quality 1st party games), what genre is Sony dominating? Best Movies? Best aging graphics?

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

They don't suck, they just aren't anything special. The high production values are the only things covering up the fact that the games don't have any defining features or leading gameplay ideas. Sorry but that is the truth of the matter. You can say what you want about nintendo games without the characters but I know that I would enjoy those games the same without it having Mario or Zelda on the box because I'm interested in good design and entertainment. A nice exterior can't make those things hence why I am not impressed by Sony's offerings like the masses aroung here are. Truth hurts don't it?

ActicEdge

How the heck aren't Sony exclusives full of good design and entertainment?

Have you even played games like Jak and Daxter? Or Killzone? Or Uncharted? God of War?

No Nintendo game comes near God of War in terms of technical prowess and design. God of War has been cloned countless times by third person action titles. I don't see anyone copying Zelda or Mario lmao.

Of course I have, I wouldn't be talking if I hadn't. The first Jak and Daxter is hardly a good game in 2012 (though I do have to give it leeway because of how early in the PS2's life it came out, Jak 2 was a significant improvement and holds up fairly well (not amazing but worthy of play through). Jak 3 I didn't play. Lol at Killzone 1, game was total ass. Killzone 2, I thought it was boring though I don't like FPS so its not like I'm going to really enjoy KZ, Halo, Crysis, CoD etc anyway. Uncharted? The gameplay is behind other TPS imo, there is nothing new or exciting about it. It gets the job done but its nothing special. GoW? :lol: Way inferior to other games in the genre like DMC, NG and Bayonetta.

Lol, GoW is nothing special in terms of design. People copy it because its simple and popular. Its alot harder to copy something with actual gameplay brilliance like the early DMC games, or Ninja Gaidan Black or Bayonetta. Forget comparing Sony too Nintendo, compare it to the rest of the field and its obvious its not top dog. There aren't any 3D platformers beating SMG1&2, there aren't any 2D platformers beating Nintendo's output (lol no Rayman Origins is not) there aren't any console JRPGs competing with Xenoblade (well I suppose Demon Souls if you wanna consider it a JRPG I submit though its actually one of Sony's quality 1st party games), what genre is Sony dominating? Best Movies? Best aging graphics?

Fvck you!
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#49 ActicEdge
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So Sony exclusives suck because high prodcution values??? lol this is one lame comment alright...Same can be said about Ninty: "strip away the well known characters and no one would give a sh!t about them"

GreenGoblin2099

They don't suck, they just aren't anything special. The high production values are the only things covering up the fact that the games don't have any defining features or leading gameplay ideas. Sorry but that is the truth of the matter. You can say what you want about nintendo games without the characters but I know that I would enjoy those games the same without it having Mario or Zelda on the box because I'm interested in good design and entertainment. A nice exterior can't make those things hence why I am not impressed by Sony's offerings like the masses aroung here are. Truth hurts don't it?

Hardly to think you or anyone else would look at a Nintendo game without Mario or Link but with John and Joe instead... it wouldn't get the attention in the first place so you wouldn't even enjoy it even if it was the same stuff as Mario or Link and this is an undeniable truth. I mean, there's a reason Nintendo won't venture outside their well-known fomula... they know it wouldn't appeal as much.

The amount of games I've hyped on SW that have gotten good scores and zero attention and then I went out played, confirmed they were great and still watched them get ignored says otherwise. Maybe otheres would miss them but I have an eye for things that are well designed and I'm not ignoring something because its not Mario or Zelda like you or lots of other people would do.

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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

So Sony exclusives suck because high prodcution values??? lol this is one lame comment alright...Same can be said about Ninty: "strip away the well known characters and no one would give a sh!t about them"

darkdude2k12

They don't suck, they just aren't anything special. The high production values are the only things covering up the fact that the games don't have any defining features or leading gameplay ideas. Sorry but that is the truth of the matter. You can say what you want about nintendo games without the characters but I know that I would enjoy those games the same without it having Mario or Zelda on the box because I'm interested in good design and entertainment. A nice exterior can't make those things hence why I am not impressed by Sony's offerings like the masses aroung here are. Truth hurts don't it?

How the heck aren't Sony exclusives full of good design and entertainment?

Have you even played games like Jak and Daxter? Or Killzone? Or Uncharted? God of War?

No Nintendo game comes near God of War in terms of technical prowess and design. God of War has been cloned countless times by third person action titles. I don't see anyone copying Zelda or Mario lmao.

For a so-called "real gamer" you really have no clue what you're talking about. Look at most systems made since the NES, and you'll often see several games that borrow heavily from Zelda's design. To say Zelda has no clones or has never inspired any other games is silly.

And Mario? You do realize that countless 3-D games take many of their cues from what Mario 64 did. Time and time again, I have seen countless developers say that Mario was a very important and inspirational title for them. Not to mention, many modern 3-D platformer games still use the template that Mario 64 created.

To say they have never been cloned or inspired other devleopers is silly.