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#1 tonytwister
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REALITY CHECK: this thing is selling worse than the Gamecube did. It will always be more expensive than the competition and have very few exclusive games for it. Even Square and Konami went on record making comments about not keeping their big games exclusive on the PS3.

Can you blame them? Who would want to break the bank on a game for a console as lacking in sales as the PS3? It's millions of units behind the 360 and Wii in sales, it's sales in japan and NA are woeful, and devs are jumping ship to the other platforms faster than you can say flop.

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#2 Squall_Griver
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Game 3.0
Little big planet
UT3 Mods
Ps3=open platform

wait,watch,and weep
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#3 Cyberfairy
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too afraid to post with your real account? :lol:

anyways, I'd like to have one of those crystal balls you got, kid. They seem to be pretty good :lol:

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#4 teldath
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http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=GC®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=PS®3=All&align=1
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#5 Strongman98
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Obviously no ones played SOCOM
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#6 gundamfan80
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oh no! a fanboy has decided the PS3 is a failure based on nothing. You really have no idea what your talking about. The PS3 has been ranked high than the Wii on the amazon.com sales list for the last nine days and in my town and the next over you pretty much can't find one. Sony just struck a deal with epic to get UT3 way before the 360 and with more features to boot, MGS4 is still an exclusive because Kojima refuses to port it to 360, sony has tons of first party games that look great, and square-enix has already said they have no plans for FF13 on the 360 and since the Wii can't run it that means exclusive. really try to think before posting a fanboy rant.
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#7 MorisUkunRasik
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GC jumped out early and failed miserablly you can't measure this "war" within months and the sony takeover wont be over night it will be slow and timely but inevitable
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#8 deactivated-5f26ef21d6f71
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Is that Jedigemini? With an 8th account? :lol:

That sheep vehemently hated Sony:lol:

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http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=GC®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=PS®3=All&align=1teldath
I approve this ownage.

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#10 myke2010
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While I agree to an extent with the TC, his logic is severely flawed. If you're going to compare the PS3 to the GC, then why not compare it to the Genesis or Atari2600. Oh right, because none of those would be a valid comparision either. The only sales figures that matter are those concerning the current generation. Your statement is almost as bad as that certain magazine that declared the PS2 the winner of this console generation system wars after seeing the sales figures of Winter 2006. I do believe that this winter will be make it or break it for Sony. They have quite a bit of ground to make up and they can't afford to blow it this year. If we see the 360 gain ground yet again this winter I believe it will be safe to declare a winner.
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#11 Sully28
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Is this your first console kid(TC), because if you had one before you would know the winner is never decided this early. never
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#12 FreakyDeacky2
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Game 3.0
Little big planet
UT3 Mods
Ps3=open platform

wait,watch,and weep
Squall_Griver

ut3 on 360 will also have the mods, there was a big thread about this earlier

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#13 LastSamurai14
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PS3 first year lineup?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>360 first year lineup.

PS32007 lineup>360 2007lineup (IMO, this is debateable).

PS3 outselling PS1 and gamecube in the same time frame, and on par with the PS2.

PS3 2008 lineup>360 2008 lineup.

PS3 2009 lineup, most likely>>> 360 2009 lineup.

Sony being the first to give us a real gaming community (Home).

Sony being the first to let us download (or buy on blu ray disc) full next gen games (warhawk, SOCOM, wipeout, littlebigplanet).

Playstation appeases everywhere (In America, in Europe, and in Japan).

PS3 has a very well balanced lineup, in genres.

Not all multiplatform games, if any at all, will look better on the 360 than on the PS3 starting this fall. Developers finally have a hang on the system. DLC andextras could be different though.

PS3 reliability>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>360 reliability.

PS3 features>>>>360 features

Will a PS3 price drop have a biggeraffect than a 360 price drop? Hell yes

Judging from E3, and the newest news that came recently, PS3 easily has a fighting chance, and with the right moves, Sony can do a console threepeat.

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[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"]Game 3.0
Little big planet
UT3 Mods
Ps3=open platform

wait,watch,and weep
FreakyDeacky2

ut3 on 360 will also have the mods, there was a big thread about this earlier

Wrong. Microsoft will not let them, at all. They didn't let them do it before, or in development, why do you think they would let them do it now? Mark Rein said he wanted them, that doesn't mean he's going to get them.
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#16 bluebl
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not being a fan boy of any kind...

When those people wake up from their dreams into your reality, they will be pleased to let you know that you were dreaming that they were dreaming for all this time. you are actually trapped in the Wiitrix, or Xtix, whatever you choose to be your dream realm.

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#17 NobuoMusicMaker
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Huh it's already made it's comeback.
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#18 Eltroz
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Huh it's already made it's comeback.NobuoMusicMaker
How? It is still in last place. How is being last a comeback?
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#19 FreakyDeacky2
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he thinks just cause its amazons top console(Lol) its made a comeback, thats his logic
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#20 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="FreakyDeacky2"]

[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"]Game 3.0
Little big planet
UT3 Mods
Ps3=open platform

wait,watch,and weep
LastSamurai14

ut3 on 360 will also have the mods, there was a big thread about this earlier

Wrong. Microsoft will not let them, at all. They didn't let them do it before, or in development, why do you think they would let them do it now? Mark Rein said he wanted them, that doesn't mean he's going to get them.

It's sort of a phyrric victory considering the PC version of UT3 will offer more mods more acessibly.

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#21 deactivated-5a155dd59341e
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Yep, dreaming. But these people dream the future! Ooh! That burns!

Seriously though, I think PS3 will make a comeback. It might not win, but it WILL make a comeback.

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#22 fuzzysquash
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[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]Huh it's already made it's comeback.Eltroz
How? It is still in last place. How is being last a comeback?

In last place....in a race where its main competitor had a year headstart. I agree with you that it hasn't made a sales "comeback" yet, but you have to consider that the race didn't start at the same time for all parties.

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#23 Danm_999
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Is this your first console kid(TC), because if you had one before you would know the winner is never decided this early. neverSully28

Actually, it kinda is historically. The PS2 took an early lead that was never taken away.

The N64 failed to knock the wind out of the PS1's sales once it was released in 1996.

When the SNES was released it knocked the Mega Drive out of the North American and Japanese markets right away.

The patterns that emerged when all consoles came on the market continued in those generations. Of course, these things aren't iron rules, anything can happen.

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#24 Predator457
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Well PS3 is going great down here in Australia. Actually im pretty sure the 360's have been pulled out of sale in EB. And to be honest when i first got my hands on the PS3 i think it lived up to the hype. And as for a comeback i trust sony will deliver, theres no way you can doubt sony they have always came through IMO.
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#25 Eltroz
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[QUOTE="Eltroz"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]Huh it's already made it's comeback.fuzzysquash

How? It is still in last place. How is being last a comeback?

In last place....in a race where its main competitor had a year headstart. I agree with you that it hasn't made a sales "comeback" yet, but you have to consider that the race didn't start at the same time for all parties.

PS2 had the same thing though. That is just a fact PS3 and Wii have to deal with. Wii though seems no problem cause it sells like crack. It is same way the GC and xbox had to deal with it. Through the entire gen it will be that way. I am just saying a person can not say it has already made a comeback when still in last place.
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#26 fuzzysquash
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[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

[QUOTE="Eltroz"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]Huh it's already made it's comeback.Eltroz

How? It is still in last place. How is being last a comeback?

In last place....in a race where its main competitor had a year headstart. I agree with you that it hasn't made a sales "comeback" yet, but you have to consider that the race didn't start at the same time for all parties.

PS2 had the same thing though. That is just a fact PS3 and Wii have to deal with. Wii though seems no problem cause it sells like crack. It is same way the GC and xbox had to deal with it. Through the entire gen it will be that way. I am just saying a person can not say it has already made a comeback when still in last place.

Alright, I gotcha.

But I disagree with you that "through the entire gen it will be that way." I do not think the PS3, Wii, and 360 positions relative to one another will stay the same over the next 5 years.

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#27 Eltroz
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[QUOTE="Eltroz"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

.fuzzysquash

Alright, I gotcha.

But I disagree with you that "through the entire gen it will be that way." I do not think the PS3, Wii, and 360 positions relative to one another will stay the same over the next 5 years.

When i said it "through the entire gen it will be that way" I ment that the 360 had a head start. True where they are may change. heck Wii is about to take the lead.
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#28 LinKuei_warrior
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not being a fan boy of any kind...

When those people wake up from their dreams into your reality, they will be pleased to let you know that you were dreaming that they were dreaming for all this time. you are actually trapped in the Wiitrix, or Xtix, whatever you choose to be your dream realm.

bluebl

i guess u KON say that

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#29 archpro
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[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"]Game 3.0
Little big planet
UT3 Mods
Ps3=open platform

wait,watch,and weep
FreakyDeacky2

ut3 on 360 will also have the mods, there was a big thread about this earlier

LOl, mediocre mod support at best, let's wait till they announce something.

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#30 shadow_702
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Sadly none of us can really tell if sony can make a comeback since most people I know have agreed that its to much for what it offers(Not that thats true of course i.e Blu-ray) but still its hard to say. We really can only say if Sony will make a comeback it isn't going to be this year if its any year that the PS3 will make a comeback it will be in 2008.
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#31 Primevil702
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Once some of the great PSN titles like Warhawk, Socom and UT3 which console wise, the PS3 version looks to be the definitive version of the game. I really think PS3 is going to be a haven for online games with games like the 3 mentioned above and others such as LittleBigPlanet and Killzone 2. And we've also just heard about MGS Online...

I'm a huge Sony fan, but I knew there was going to be a pricedrop, as do millions of others - now that the PS3 is coming down into the range where people will buy them, we're going to see sales spike like we're already seeing. Once the holdays come around and PS3 has all it's big guns on the market, as does the Xbox... I really think that will be a good sign of which console has more momentum. We'll see come winter 07 - I've got my bets on PS3.

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#32 CrimsonBlade360
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Game 3.0
Little big planet
UT3 Mods
Ps3=open platform

wait,watch,and weep
Squall_Griver
Yup just wait....
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#33 Heil68
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Need to seriously move some consoles to do that
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#34 Primevil702
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[QUOTE="FreakyDeacky2"]

[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"]Game 3.0
Little big planet
UT3 Mods
Ps3=open platform

wait,watch,and weep
archpro

ut3 on 360 will also have the mods, there was a big thread about this earlier

LOl, mediocre mod support at best, let's wait till they announce something.

A thread that had zero backing - watch the interview with Mark Rein, he discusses MS's closed system. Will MS make a special exception for Epic? I'm not sure. What I am sure of - UT3 for PS3 is on par with the PC visually, it's locked at 60FPS, it'll have full mod support and it'll freakin rock. When is the 360 version even coming out, according to Mark Rein is was "sometime in 2008".

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#35 bujugftcgffvvcf
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Obviously no ones played SOCOMStrongman98
Obviously u have not seen gameply. for the new socom garbage the xbox 1 can do does garfix. gt.com check for your self
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#36 fuzzysquash
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When i said it "through the entire gen it will be that way" I ment that the 360 had a head start. True where they are may change. heck Wii is about to take the lead. Eltroz

Oh, okay.

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#37 zeonne
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[QUOTE="Strongman98"]Obviously no ones played SOCOMbujugftcgffvvcf
Obviously u have not seen gameply. for the new socom garbage the xbox 1 can do does garfix. gt.com check for your self

same could be said for halo 3.............

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#38 Spartan8907
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This chart actually impresses me more than the one posted a while ago. Even though the PS3 is more expensive, it seems to be on par with the 360 at the same time in its life. If things keep on track, there wont be much to complain about.
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[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"]Game 3.0
Little big planet
UT3 Mods
Ps3=open platform

wait,watch,and weep
FreakyDeacky2

ut3 on 360 will also have the mods, there was a big thread about this earlier

Wrong, it will not. How do you expect epic to do that without an HDD STANDARD?
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#40 subject117
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I'm sorry that you're going to miss out on some great games.
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#41 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="FreakyDeacky2"]

[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"]Game 3.0
Little big planet
UT3 Mods
Ps3=open platform

wait,watch,and weep
LastSamurai14

ut3 on 360 will also have the mods, there was a big thread about this earlier

Wrong, it will not. How do you expect epic to do that without an HDD STANDARD?

360 games in the past have required a HDD to play...

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#42 subject117
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[QUOTE="LastSamurai14"][QUOTE="FreakyDeacky2"]

[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"]Game 3.0
Little big planet
UT3 Mods
Ps3=open platform

wait,watch,and weep
Danm_999

ut3 on 360 will also have the mods, there was a big thread about this earlier

Wrong, it will not. How do you expect epic to do that without an HDD STANDARD?

360 games in the past have required a HDD to play...

360 games as in plural? Wrong. Only one game requires it, FFXI. There are some games that support hard drive caching, but it's not "required".

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LastSamurai14"][QUOTE="FreakyDeacky2"]

[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"]Game 3.0
Little big planet
UT3 Mods
Ps3=open platform

wait,watch,and weep
subject117

ut3 on 360 will also have the mods, there was a big thread about this earlier

Wrong, it will not. How do you expect epic to do that without an HDD STANDARD?

360 games in the past have required a HDD to play...

360 games as in plural? Wrong. Only one game requires it, FFXI. There are some games that support hard drive caching, but it's not "required".

Like it was mentioned before - not even really a HDD issue, it's MS network that's getting in Epics way. Hopefully they find a way around, for me however... it doesn't matter. Come November I'll be playing one of the best Multiplayer FPS's we'll see for a long time.

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#44 squallff8_fan
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REALITY CHECK: this thing is selling worse than the Gamecube did. It will always be more expensive than the competition and have very few exclusive games for it. Even Square and Konami went on record making comments about not keeping their big games exclusive on the PS3.

Can you blame them? Who would want to break the bank on a game for a console as lacking in sales as the PS3? It's millions of units behind the 360 and Wii in sales, it's sales in japan and NA are woeful, and devs are jumping ship to the other platforms faster than you can say flop.

tonytwister

Why dont u cry justin timberlake a river and stop making useless threads. :)

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#45 LastSamurai14
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[QUOTE="LastSamurai14"][QUOTE="FreakyDeacky2"]

[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"]Game 3.0
Little big planet
UT3 Mods
Ps3=open platform

wait,watch,and weep
Danm_999

ut3 on 360 will also have the mods, there was a big thread about this earlier

Wrong, it will not. How do you expect epic to do that without an HDD STANDARD?

360 games in the past have required a HDD to play...

um...no. FFXI did, nothing else did. Not many developers will make an HDD manditory, because they'd rather have more sales.
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#46 subject117
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[QUOTE="subject117"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LastSamurai14"][QUOTE="FreakyDeacky2"]

[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"]Game 3.0
Little big planet
UT3 Mods
Ps3=open platform

wait,watch,and weep
Primevil702

ut3 on 360 will also have the mods, there was a big thread about this earlier

Wrong, it will not. How do you expect epic to do that without an HDD STANDARD?

360 games in the past have required a HDD to play...

360 games as in plural? Wrong. Only one game requires it, FFXI. There are some games that support hard drive caching, but it's not "required".

Like it was mentioned before - not even really a HDD issue, it's MS network that's getting in Epics way. Hopefully they find a way around, for me however... it doesn't matter. Come November I'll be playing one of the best Multiplayer FPS's we'll see for a long time.

Yeah, I can't see MS letting them release all that content for free on THEIR network.

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#47 Danm_999
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um...no. FFXI did, nothing else did. Not many developers will make an HDD manditory, because they'd rather have more sales. LastSamurai14

360 games as in plural? Wrong. Only one game requires it, FFXI. There are some games that support hard drive caching, but it's not "required".

subject117

Football Manager 2006?

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#48 subject117
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um...no. FFXI did, nothing else did. Not many developers will make an HDD manditory, because they'd rather have more sales. Danm_999

360 games as in plural? Wrong. Only one game requires it, FFXI. There are some games that support hard drive caching, but it's not "required".

subject117

Football Manager 2006?

That doesn't count, as the hard drive was only "required" to save your game. Granted, that game would be impossible with it, but it's not actually using the drive in an operational capacity.

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#49 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LastSamurai14"]

um...no. FFXI did, nothing else did. Not many developers will make an HDD manditory, because they'd rather have more sales. subject117

360 games as in plural? Wrong. Only one game requires it, FFXI. There are some games that support hard drive caching, but it's not "required".

subject117

Football Manager 2006?

That doesn't count, as the hard drive was only "required" to save your game. Granted, that game would be impossible with it, but it's not actually using the drive in an operational capacity.

Oh please. What a terrible excuse.UT3 wouldn't require a HDD either, not unless you wanted to use user created content.

Fact is, there's a precedent on the 360 for requiring a HDD to play a game, and I can't see why UT3 can't be part of this.

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#50 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LastSamurai14"]

um...no. FFXI did, nothing else did. Not many developers will make an HDD manditory, because they'd rather have more sales. subject117

360 games as in plural? Wrong. Only one game requires it, FFXI. There are some games that support hard drive caching, but it's not "required".

subject117

Football Manager 2006?

That doesn't count, as the hard drive was only "required" to save your game. Granted, that game would be impossible with it, but it's not actually using the drive in an operational capacity.

how is being able to save it not an operational capacity?

also considering majority of 360 owners have xbox live. majority have HDD. also considering most mods are mp games. than it will be online anyway. Which would require an HDD to go online to begin with. Im just saying HDD not being standard is not a problem to Epic. generally anybody that was gonna buy Unreal 3 buys it for its online. considering Unreal stinks at single player. considering online is huge with 360 the lack of standard HDD is not a problem to unreal 3 and its mods.

Real problem is that xbox 360 and xbox live are closed systems.