Sony has already won the next generation?

Hi, I don't post here a lot but I wanted to share this with someone.

I've been thinking about the issues with the Blu Ray reading speed. The major problem is that the PS3 uses a 2X Blu Ray drive, which is a lot slower than the 360's 12X DVD speed. This slow read speed has created some challenges for developers this gen (still not as much as trying to cram all that game data on to a standard DVD). Using a 4X Blu Ray drive in the PS4 would solve this problem. The reason 4X wasn't used in the PS3 was due to cost. But production costs go down over time, and it will be feasible for Sony to use 4X on the PS4.

MS wont be able to get away with using Standard DVD's again because games will just be too big. They have really only a couple options. One would be to revive HD DVD for the next Xbox, but the current HD DVD readers have the same speed issues BR has. So MS would have to develop HD DVD drives that could run at the same speed as Sony's 4X BR. Because MS would have to sink huge amounts of money into research and production it wouldn't be cost effective in any way for them. The only other real option for MS would be to get Sony to license BR to them. The only thing Sony needs to ask themselves is:

"Would I rather reap a bunch of money from licensing technology to my enemy? Or go into the next generation knowing I'll have no real competition?"

Theoretically MS could develop their own media format, but that would be way more costley than even reviving HD DVD.

I am aware that MS and Sony are considering creating a Blu Ray attachment for the 360. But actually allowing MS to use it inside a console is something entirely different.

I know next gen is like eight years away but it's it's still something to think about.

Sony hasnet won anything there in dead last in the handheld market there software and hardware sales are always bad so they are FAR from winning anything.

If anything sony has to climb out of this grave its been digging since the psp and ps3 released.

And No loading dosent decide who wins a war.

Hold on a second. Are you trying to say the next generation will be won and lost based on load times?BuryMe

I'm saying it will be won because Xbox games wont be able to fit on standard DVD's.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]Hold on a second. Are you trying to say the next generation will be won and lost based on load times?GTASA_Cartel

I'm saying it will be won because Xbox games wont be able to fit on standard DVD's.

Whats stopping them from using a different format?

Whats stopping them from using a different format?Ragnarok1051

Thats what my entire original post was about. Go read it.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Whats stopping them from using a different format?GTASA_Cartel

Thats what my entire original post was about. Go read it.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure its not just Sony who regulates BR.

You do realize that blue ray is not only owned and was not only developed by sony dont you? and anyone can lisence to use it... I guess you did not...frankeyser

Sony has a huge stake in the BRDA, and yes the BRDA can restrict who licenses their technology. Not to mention, Apple is in the BRDA, and guess how much they like MS?

So their system is last among the major competitors in sales and apparantly it has already won? umm, common sense should be kicking in ...rrright . . . about . . . . . NOW!Zerostatic0

I was talking about next gen. How did last gen play out? Sony dominated MS. How is this one coming out? MS is beating Sony.

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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Whats stopping them from using a different format?Ragnarok1051

Thats what my entire original post was about. Go read it.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure its not just Sony who regulates BR.

Your right. Sony is not the sole owner of blu-ray. They are only a small portion of it.

[QUOTE="frankeyser"]You do realize that blue ray is not only owned and was not only developed by sony dont you? and anyone can lisence to use it... I guess you did not...GTASA_Cartel

Sony has a huge stake in the BRDA, and yes the BRDA can restrict who licenses their technology. Not to mention, Apple is in the BRDA, and guess how much they like MS?

Provide a link saying sony has a huge stake in blu-ray. Plus if sony restrict licenses then you won't be seeing Windows compatible with blu-ray at all.

I am aware that MS and Sony are considering creating a Blu Ray attachment for the 360. But actually allowing MS to use it inside a console is something entirely different.GTASA_Cartel

Yeah sure. I have around 25 X360 games and all of them are exactly one DVD.

If you turn all on engine cinematics to 1080p HD DVD and it will be like 10 hours of it, you need HD DVD. But nobody except some japanese devs is so stupid

[QUOTE="GTASA_Cartel"]I am aware that MS and Sony are considering creating a Blu Ray attachment for the 360. But actually allowing MS to use it inside a console is something entirely different.goddamn_

Yeah sure. I have around 25 X360 games and all of them are exactly one DVD.

If you turn all on engine cinematics to 1080p HD DVD and it will be like 10 hours of it, you need HD DVD. But nobody except some japanese devs is so stupid

We're talking NEXT-GEN

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure its not just Sony who regulates BR.

sirk1264

Your right. Sony is not the sole owner of blu-ray. They are only a small portion of it.

Sony has a larger stake than most, and a good portion of the BRDA are Japanese companies that would show favoritism to Sony. Sun and Apple are also involved in Blu Ray, and both are big competitors for MS.

Sony would be better off licensing Blu-Ray. There's no way that MS would just drop out of the competition because of disk space, nor Nintendo (have you forgotten the 800 pound Mario in the room?).

MS wouldn't need to develop their own, just license another DVD media format with more storage, as they're out there already.

You do realize that blue ray is not only owned and was not only developed by sony dont you? and anyone can lisence to use it... I guess you did not...frankeyser

[QUOTE="frankeyser"]You do realize that blue ray is not only owned and was not only developed by sony dont you? and anyone can lisence to use it... I guess you did not...EVOLV3

just like sony pays MS for having Windows in Vaio laptops

[QUOTE="sirk1264"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure its not just Sony who regulates BR.

GTASA_Cartel

Your right. Sony is not the sole owner of blu-ray. They are only a small portion of it.

Sony has a larger stake than most, and a good portion of the BRDA are Japanese companies that would show favoritism to Sony. Sun and Apple are also involved in Blu Ray, and both are big competitors for MS.

To back up your theory, since it became evident that HD-DVD would not overcome Blu-Ray, MS has really being throwing their full media and publicity weight behind Digital Distribution. It wouldn't be too far fetched to think that that is how they will likely proceed in the future, though DD seems a long way off imo.

In regards to your TC post, devs use a technique involving creating lots of redundant information on the disc meaning that a piece of information that is read often can be pulled off from multiple points on the disc. This is possible since the Blu-Ray has so much extra space that it can be made incredibly redundant. I imagine this may be one of the reasons why people say that Blu-Rays are hard to ruin through minor scratches.

Sont BR Format uses the Microsoft owned VC-1 Encoder. So I don't think MS wanting to use BR technology would be turned down by Sony.Just_Osmo

you need to update your sig

As of right now, DVD (aka Toshiba+) is still winning And DVD will be good enough for the mass market for another 10 years. In that time digital, net downloads will mature and be the next dominant formatdeleted_basic

I wouldn't put it so lightly. They took a massive hit when HD-DVD went under.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]Sont BR Format uses the Microsoft owned VC-1 Encoder. So I don't think MS wanting to use BR technology would be turned down by Sony.ogvampire

you need to update your sig

No, I don't.

Sony really has the only next generation game console in the PS3, as of now the technology is ahead of the PC in what it can do. Look at the Stanford University program of F@H and how much the PS3 has been able to donate to this program via the owners of the PS3 shareing there PS3 with this program (as of now the PS3 has donated several times more computing power of all the Windows, Mac, and Linux systems together. And then another university is using the PS3 to do research on some science processes. Then not long ago the US Air Force started using the PS3 for something that they are not shareing what there using it for (they are also using the motion sensing technology of the Wii for something). The 360 has nothing really worth while to offer other than there synic software that really is something that has been around for a while but just not very reliable in the past and hasn't yet been fully proven completely.jimm895

[QUOTE="frankeyser"]You do realize that blue ray is not only owned and was not only developed by sony dont you? and anyone can lisence to use it... I guess you did not...EVOLV3

microsoft made one of the codecs or something for blu ray, i think they get royalties from blu ray.

Sont BR Format uses the Microsoft owned VC-1 Encoder. So I don't think MS wanting to use BR technology would be turned down by Sony.Just_Osmo

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="frankeyser"]You do realize that blue ray is not only owned and was not only developed by sony dont you? and anyone can lisence to use it... I guess you did not...shoeman12

microsoft made one of the codecs or something for blu ray, i think they get royalties from blu ray.

Sont BR Format uses the Microsoft owned VC-1 Encoder. So I don't think MS wanting to use BR technology would be turned down by Sony.Just_Osmo

It is impossible to achieve any success without the aid and endorsement of Bungie or one of their subsidiaries.noobs-a-buck

dude im a fan of your comedy, ultimate fakeboy. could you mail me a list of your posts?

[QUOTE="jimm895"]Sony really has the only next generation game console in the PS3, as of now the technology is ahead of the PC in what it can do. Look at the Stanford University program of F@H and how much the PS3 has been able to donate to this program via the owners of the PS3 shareing there PS3 with this program (as of now the PS3 has donated several times more computing power of all the Windows, Mac, and Linux systems together. And then another university is using the PS3 to do research on some science processes. Then not long ago the US Air Force started using the PS3 for something that they are not shareing what there using it for (they are also using the motion sensing technology of the Wii for something). The 360 has nothing really worth while to offer other than there synic software that really is something that has been around for a while but just not very reliable in the past and hasn't yet been fully proven completely.vaderhater

It's just showing what the potential of the PS3 is once developers get's the hardware and software down. Just how far can they go with this technology once they get the hang of how it works as a game console.

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="frankeyser"]You do realize that blue ray is not only owned and was not only developed by sony dont you? and anyone can lisence to use it... I guess you did not...shoeman12

microsoft made one of the codecs or something for blu ray, i think they get royalties from blu ray.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"][QUOTE="jimm895"]Sony really has the only next generation game console in the PS3, as of now the technology is ahead of the PC in what it can do. Look at the Stanford University program of F@H and how much the PS3 has been able to donate to this program via the owners of the PS3 shareing there PS3 with this program (as of now the PS3 has donated several times more computing power of all the Windows, Mac, and Linux systems together. And then another university is using the PS3 to do research on some science processes. Then not long ago the US Air Force started using the PS3 for something that they are not shareing what there using it for (they are also using the motion sensing technology of the Wii for something). The 360 has nothing really worth while to offer other than there synic software that really is something that has been around for a while but just not very reliable in the past and hasn't yet been fully proven completely.jimm895

It's just showing what the potential of the PS3 is once developers get's the hardware and software down. Just how far can they go with this technology once they get the hang of how it works as a game console.

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="frankeyser"]You do realize that blue ray is not only owned and was not only developed by sony dont you? and anyone can lisence to use it... I guess you did not...EVOLV3

microsoft made one of the codecs or something for blu ray, i think they get royalties from blu ray.

:lol: @ Wiki.

Read, straight from MS. Link.

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="shoeman12"]

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="frankeyser"]You do realize that blue ray is not only owned and was not only developed by sony dont you? and anyone can lisence to use it... I guess you did not...Nagidar

microsoft made one of the codecs or something for blu ray, i think they get royalties from blu ray.

:lol: @ Wiki.

Read, straight from MS. Link.

Another 360 supporter that believes everything only when it comes from M$. If you do some cheking M$ is not even part of the Blu-Ray group that developed the Blu-Ray technology.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="shoeman12"]

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]
But they would pay royalties to Sony.jimm895

microsoft made one of the codecs or something for blu ray, i think they get royalties from blu ray.

:lol: @ Wiki.

Read, straight from MS. Link.

Another 360 supporter that believes everything only when it comes from M$. If you do some cheking M$ is not even part of the Blu-Ray group that developed the Blu-Ray technology.

so microsoft is lying about making codes for blu ray? do you have a source that not anyone can edit saying that microsoft is lying?

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="shoeman12"]

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]
But they would pay royalties to Sony.jimm895

microsoft made one of the codecs or something for blu ray, i think they get royalties from blu ray.

:lol: @ Wiki.

Read, straight from MS. Link.

Another 360 supporter that believes everything only when it comes from M$. If you do some cheking M$ is not even part of the Blu-Ray group that developed the Blu-Ray technology.

Ok, how about this. Link.

Or this. Link.

Oh, and what about this. Linkage.

Anything else Mr. SONY has more money than MS? (Looks at sig)

Ok, how about this. Link.

Or this. Link.

Oh, and what about this. Linkage.

Anything else Mr. SONY has more money than MS? (Looks at sig)

Nagidar

Yes, Blu-Ray uses VC-1 encoding primarily. MS doesn't get royalties from Blu-Ray directly, but since it uses a MS encoding, they get royalties from that technology.

Blu-Ray discs incorporate more technology than just the disc format. Don't they also use a form of Java for multi-media content? Who supplied the DRM technology?

Any media format is truly a mismatch of interwoven technologies.

Edit: Removed quote chain.

[QUOTE="GTASA_Cartel"]I am aware that MS and Sony are considering creating a Blu Ray attachment for the 360. But actually allowing MS to use it inside a console is something entirely different.goddamn_

Yeah sure. I have around 25 X360 games and all of them are exactly one DVD.

If you turn all on engine cinematics to 1080p HD DVD and it will be like 10 hours of it, you need HD DVD. But nobody except some japanese devs is so stupid

But it is the multiplat devs that are already saying that the space on dvd's are limiting their games when they develop on the 360.... this is a fact, not something up for debate.

However, I'm pretty sure that this issue will be worked out in the design of their next system, whether they end up paying royalties to Sony or not.

Also, for all the obvious haters in this thread, the sales trends for the PS3 are SIGNIFICANTLY better than the 360's, and have been for the last year. This also is fact and not something that is debateable. The PS3 is doing well now, so what... doesn't mean you can't still enjoy your wii or 360, get a life.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Ok, how about this. Link.

Or this. Link.

Oh, and what about this. Linkage.

Anything else Mr. SONY has more money than MS? (Looks at sig)

mattbbpl

Yes, Blu-Ray uses VC-1 encoding primarily. MS doesn't get royalties from Blu-Ray directly, but since it uses a MS encoding, they get royalties from that technology.

Blu-Ray discs incorporate more technology than just the disc format. Don't they also use a form of Java for multi-media content? Who supplied the DRM technology?

Any media format is truly a mismatch of interwoven technologies.

Edit: Removed quote chain.

I know that, you know that, but apparently Mr. SONY has more money than MS didn't know.