sony in decline? LAIR flopped already, PS3's premier platforming game following?

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#1 Buried_by_Dust
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original source: Joystiq.com

First off, does Ratchet look this good? The answer is clear: yes. But, is that enough to make the upcoming PS3-exclusive Ratchet & Clank Future worthwhile? Not necessarily.

As innovative and new as the graphics may appear, the gameplay feels identical to previous iterations of the Ratchet series. Of course, that's not a bad thing -- the franchise has rightfully earned its legions of fans. However, we couldn't help but feel as though we've played Tools of Destruction before. It feels more cinematic than before, but we were running, gunning, and swinging our wrench as though nothing had changed. Some may point to the new Groove-a-tron weapon, a colorful new weapon in Ratchet's arsenal. But, there are no significant gameplay ramifications: enemies will simply dance, instead of attack Ratchet. There's also a free-fall sequence, where the player must tilt the Sixaxis controller to navigate Ratchet past flying cars. But, these tilt controls do little to add a feeling of innovation to the series.

The polish of the game's presentation is certainly commendable, but we were puzzled by the lack of an adequate targeting system. The on-rails platforming, a series trademark, had us bored. Jumping left or right to avoid oncoming trains was tedious, at best.The utter simplicity of the sequence had us feeling like we were simply going through the motions. We're also disappointed to know that Insomniac has opted to remove a crucial component of the franchise in this latest rendition: multiplayer is gone.

Tools of Destruction might not end up being a bad game, but it did very little to convince us otherwise. We're sure that hardcore Ratchet fans will love it for its story, which will focus on the mysterious origins of its star. Although playing it safe might work for Insomniac and its fans, it's pretty obvious to us that team spent a lot more time focused on its graphics technology than what really matters: gameplay. As it is now, Tools of Destruction is an uninspired experience, one that feels like a backwards step for the series.

But buh RARE warezzz IZZ TEH LOOSZZIN ITZ TCHBO

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#2 -Rail_Man-
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Uck...this thread reeks of fanboy.
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#3 jliebel
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You and your fanboism means nothing.
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#5 Buried_by_Dust
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PS3fanboy posted that article JUST GOOGLE ps3fanboy ratchet and look for the hands-On PREVIEW

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#6 ultima-flare
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Hmm, is this article from 1up by any chance?(you provided no source, and I highly doubt you wrote it yourself)

Edit: Nope, nvm.

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#7 munu9
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PS3fanboy posted that article JUST GOOGLE ps3fanboy ratchet and look for the hands-On PREVIEW

Buried_by_Dust

that preview was actually done by joystiq. And it's basically the only negative preview. Plus, they only go to play a portion of 1 level!

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#8 Ibacai
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Hmm, is this article from 1up by any chance?(you provided no source, and I highly doubt you wrote it yourself)ultima-flare
Yeah, it sure is.
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#9 mazdero
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When did Lair flop? The game hasn't even been released yet. ah fanboys :roll:
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#11 jliebel
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[QUOTE="mazdero"]When did Lair flop? The game hasn't even been released yet. ah fanboys :roll:TheOneMan
it flopped when it was announced to be released exclusively for the Ps3.

fanboi idiot alert.

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#12 munu9
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[QUOTE="ultima-flare"]Hmm, is this article from 1up by any chance?(you provided no source, and I highly doubt you wrote it yourself)Ibacai
Yeah, it sure is.

It's actually from joystiq:

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/16/joystiq-impressions-ratchet-and-clank-future-ps3/

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[QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="ultima-flare"]Hmm, is this article from 1up by any chance?(you provided no source, and I highly doubt you wrote it yourself)munu9

Yeah, it sure is.

It's actually from joystiq:

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/16/joystiq-impressions-ratchet-and-clank-future-ps3/

Well that is freaking hilarious. Here, watch this and tell me what you think. http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/13496 Coincidence?
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#14 munu9
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[QUOTE="munu9"]

[QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="ultima-flare"]Hmm, is this article from 1up by any chance?(you provided no source, and I highly doubt you wrote it yourself)Ibacai

Yeah, it sure is.

It's actually from joystiq:

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/16/joystiq-impressions-ratchet-and-clank-future-ps3/

Well that is freaking hilarious. Here, watch this and tell me what you think. http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/13496 Coincidence?

Yeah, saw it already, though I think 1up gave ratchet and clank more of a benefit of the doubt. (or at least that other guy did)

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#15 Ibacai
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Yeah, saw it already, though I think 1up gave ratchet and clank more of a benefit of the doubt. (or at least that other guy did)munu9
True, it was more positive. Just funny to me I guess. ;)
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#16 x_boyfriend
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[QUOTE="mazdero"]When did Lair flop? The game hasn't even been released yet. ah fanboys :roll:TheOneMan
it flopped when it was announced to be released exclusively for the Ps3.

Dude! You are witty!

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#17 k-diddy66
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i wouldnt call any of these "flopped games" till i see a gamespot review.Ratchet and clank have always involved the same mechanics since game 1.you cant reinvent the platformer in each iteration of the game.Also this is 1 level in the game that they showed.unless they have a fully working copy then i dont buy it.

Also when they stage demoed another level of the game they showed stuff like using the sixaxis to suck up enemies and the fact that you have to use strategies involving the environment to get past enemies with humongous shields,like jumping of a pile of bloders at the top of the hill.

let me see it before i believe it.
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#18 nolson
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that joystiq preview is seriously the only negative preview of that game out there.
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#19 rybe1025
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As far as being flopped games. Is Lair and RnC flopped games? No not at this point at least not till more reviews come out. It does not look like huge games though either. Right now PS3 needs a GeoW BAD. ya ya I know FF13 or MGS4 or whatever but those are a year later. I know Sony said they do not care about this holiday season but this holiday season will matter a lot. last Christmas 360 sold 1.1 million just in Dec and PS3 400k and that was just one month after launch. So this Christmas does matter.

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#20 mazdero
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[QUOTE="mazdero"]When did Lair flop? The game hasn't even been released yet. ah fanboys :roll:TheOneMan
it flopped when it was announced to be released exclusively for the Ps3.

your reply flopped

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[QUOTE="ultima-flare"]Hmm, is this article from 1up by any chance?(you provided no source, and I highly doubt you wrote it yourself)Ibacai
Yeah, it sure is.

Um actually yea it is Rachet and Clank had stellar previews at this years E3.

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#22 Optusnet
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While I disagree Lair is a flop, Ratchet & Clank is a flop in my eyes. More of the same. I got sick of the formula after #3. Why can't Insomniac do some of that magic called 'innovation' even if it means scrapping what's been staple with theR&C franchise?

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#23 SergeantSnitch
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Why is it that I can only find topics like this here in SW?
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#24 Oligarchy_USA
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While I disagree Lair is a flop, Ratchet & Clank is a flop in my eyes. More of the same. I got sick of the formula after #3. Why can't Insomniac do some of that magic called 'innovation' even if it means scrapping what's been staple with theR&C franchise?

Optusnet

Lawlsaucer, R&C 3 is completely different than R: Deadlocked. In fact, each game in the series is entirely different from the other.

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#25 Gismo25
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The same could be said about Halo. Halo 2 and Halo 3 are very similar games, yet they are both very good games. Of something is broken, why fix it?
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#26 furtherfan
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[QUOTE="mazdero"]When did Lair flop? The game hasn't even been released yet. ah fanboys :roll:TheOneMan
it flopped when it was announced to be released exclusively for the Ps3.

i've read some posts you made..... all silly comments from an angry boy...

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#27 TheOneMan
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[QUOTE="TheOneMan"][QUOTE="mazdero"]When did Lair flop? The game hasn't even been released yet. ah fanboys :roll:furtherfan

it flopped when it was announced to be released exclusively for the Ps3.

i've read some posts you made..... all silly comments from an angry boy...

who are you? the undead robot ninja pope from the seven seas? i say nothing but facts, and maybe some super-ultra-facts which are only be able to spoken of by yours truly!
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#28 furtherfan
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[QUOTE="furtherfan"]

[QUOTE="TheOneMan"][QUOTE="mazdero"]When did Lair flop? The game hasn't even been released yet. ah fanboys :roll:TheOneMan

it flopped when it was announced to be released exclusively for the Ps3.

i've read some posts you made..... all silly comments from an angry boy...

who are you? the undead robot ninja pope from the seven seas? i say nothing but facts, and maybe some super-ultra-facts which are only be able to spoken of by yours truly!

nope, just shallow silly comments just trying to be though. buy a console and play a game. games are pretty fun

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#29 Korrigan777
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LOL "sony in decline"

how does a sorta not amazing impression of one game mean sony are "in decline".

sony are far from being "in decline".

god fanboy logic...

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#30 TheOneMan
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just trying to be though. buy a console and play a game. games are pretty fun

furtherfan

yep. i live to be "though". I wake up every day and wonder how I can be "though" in some new way.

please....like I said, I say only facts.

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#31 furtherfan
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I say only facts.

TheOneMan

TheOneMan quotes:

"killzone, like lair, will blow many houses down, and make people homeless. they're both taht horrible.

and don't even get me started on Halo 2.1..."


"LAIR BLOWS!"

"anyone who gives this game above half of the amount their scoring system allows, is in need of some serious brain surgery on that tumor they have growing in their grey matter." there ARE people with tumors you know....

"sorry, but i already said blue dragon sucks, and in a much more subtle manor i might add. you= owned.

it still doesn't detract from the topic at hand here. you know, the one about how much Lair sucks hard. get over your cow self and get back to hyping mediocre rehashes like r&c 50 or uncharted: good gameplay not found."

"it's on the xbox, has a gun, and is shiny. does that anwser your question?!!??!?" (Bioshock)

"it flopped when it was announced to be released exclusively for the Ps3." (LAir)

" aqui viene el papa de la robutezta del zombi de los siete mares. el esta auqi molestar y traere mala fortuna! "

" yep. i live to be "though". I wake up every day and wonder how I can be "though" in some new way.

And now for the best one:

"I say only facts."

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#33 TheOneMan
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[QUOTE="TheOneMan"]

I say only facts.

furtherfan

TheOneMan quotes:

"killzone, like lair, will blow many houses down, and make people homeless. they're both taht horrible.

and don't even get me started on Halo 2.1..."


"LAIR BLOWS!"

"anyone who gives this game above half of the amount their scoring system allows, is in need of some serious brain surgery on that tumor they have growing in their grey matter." there ARE people with tumors you know....

"sorry, but i already said blue dragon sucks, and in a much more subtle manor i might add. you= owned.

it still doesn't detract from the topic at hand here. you know, the one about how much Lair sucks hard. get over your cow self and get back to hyping mediocre rehashes like r&c 50 or uncharted: good gameplay not found."

"it's on the xbox, has a gun, and is shiny. does that anwser your question?!!??!?" (Bioshock)

"it flopped when it was announced to be released exclusively for the Ps3." (LAir)

" aqui viene el papa de la robutezta del zombi de los siete mares. el esta auqi molestar y traere mala fortuna! "

" yep. i live to be "though". I wake up every day and wonder how I can be "though" in some new way.

And now for the best one:

"I say only facts."

damn! Would you look at all of those facts! you could make a religious testament out of it! Hell, forget the testament, all hail TheOneChurch of Man
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[QUOTE="furtherfan"][QUOTE="TheOneMan"]

I say only facts.

TheOneMan

TheOneMan quotes:

"killzone, like lair, will blow many houses down, and make people homeless. they're both taht horrible.

and don't even get me started on Halo 2.1..."


"LAIR BLOWS!"

"anyone who gives this game above half of the amount their scoring system allows, is in need of some serious brain surgery on that tumor they have growing in their grey matter." there ARE people with tumors you know....

"sorry, but i already said blue dragon sucks, and in a much more subtle manor i might add. you= owned.

it still doesn't detract from the topic at hand here. you know, the one about how much Lair sucks hard. get over your cow self and get back to hyping mediocre rehashes like r&c 50 or uncharted: good gameplay not found."

"it's on the xbox, has a gun, and is shiny. does that anwser your question?!!??!?" (Bioshock)

"it flopped when it was announced to be released exclusively for the Ps3." (LAir)

" aqui viene el papa de la robutezta del zombi de los siete mares. el esta auqi molestar y traere mala fortuna! "

" yep. i live to be "though". I wake up every day and wonder how I can be "though" in some new way.

And now for the best one:

"I say only facts."

damn! Would you look at all of those facts! you could make a religious testament out of it! Hell, forget the testament, all hail TheOneChurch of Man

Even though SW was made for faboys, this is just too much. A game can't flop one one review. Wait for GS review. You don't see any cows that says "LoL,BlUe DraGon FlOpPed". So, please, SW doesn't need more of you here.

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#35 furtherfan
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damn! Would you look at all of those facts! you could make a religious testament out of it! Hell, forget the testament, all hail TheOneChurch of ManTheOneMan

okay, that made me laugh.

but try to keep it real man

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#36 fileman3
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yeah they are on a decline the ps3 sucks cows get over it
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#37 Little_Dong
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Wow, the ps3 games are total junk and I can't believe people still have faith in SOny still
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#38 azad_champ
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And people says that cows are agressive........
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#39 daveg1
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devs need to get some new gameplay ideas for games cause im seeing mostly is just re-hash after re-hash!