Sony Is So Desperate And Pathetic (Lair related)

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#1 ReverseCycology
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Sorry if this is old but I can not believe this. Sony is sending out Lair reviewers guides. Your system isn't as good as you advertised and your game Lair is one of the biggest flops in history. This just shows you how arrogant Sony still is. Their game flopped by reviewers then they send out reviewer guides. Thats like telling the reviewers they reviewed the game wrong, lol. Pathetic and desperate, I tell ya.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/07/sony-sends-out-lair-reviewers-guide-must-not-laugh/

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#2 ZanuffC
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I guess they got really desprate when a game that they put so much money into hyping turned out to be a piece of crap, it isn't acceptable by any means, but maybe at least maybe Factor 5 learned a lesson on balancing graphics and gameplay, though they didn't have such a problem in the past.

I suppose maybe they should have just made another starwars game
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#3 Homer_Sapien
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Alright, I'll take your advice and stop sending those out.

EDIT:

Also, does anyone else get the feeling that it was just Factor 5 saying "F--- you" to the reviewers?

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#4 ItalStallion777
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what are you talking about? according to sony defense force it didn't flop. actually it did extremely well earning a 10/10 and is a "candidate for game of the year."

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=122

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#5 Solid_Link22
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I you suggested, let it go already it flopped so what.
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#6 Soulja_West
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The game looks playable to me according to the video.

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#7 AgentA-Mi6
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what are you talking about? according to sony defense force it didn't flop. actually it did extremely well earning a 10/10 and is a "candidate for game of the year."

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=122

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Sony defence forc is biased :(
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#8 sensesxfail
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i just read the story. this has got to be one of the funniest things i've ever read in my LIFE.
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#9 Eponique
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[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]

what are you talking about? according to sony defense force it didn't flop. actually it did extremely well earning a 10/10 and is a "candidate for game of the year."

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=122

AgentA-Mi6

Sony defence forc is biased :(

Are you kidding? They're the most unbiased source for reviews. I get all my reviews from their, good source IMO

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#10 laughingman42
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I wonder how many times they had to redo that to make sure the 180 menuever worked. One of the deves says he can only do it 80% of the time.
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#11 Athonline
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Reviwes guides are common. Like IGN said:

It is common for review copies of a game to come with a fact sheet, but this is the first time we've seen an extensive Reviewer's Guide packed with artwork and gameplay advice.

Just looks like Factor 5 included extra things into that fact sheet(wtf artworks do there?), which is the pathetic in my opinion.

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#12 Burnout_Player0
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sony should stop insulting reviewers and start making ps3 better
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#13 Tiefster
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It doesn't matter...just because the controls suck to most doesn't mean they suck to all.
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#14 ff7isnumbaone
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I guess they got really desprate when a game that they put so much money into hyping turned out to be a piece of crap, it isn't acceptable by any means, but maybe at least maybe Factor 5 learned a lesson on balancing graphics and gameplay, though they didn't have such a problem in the past.

I suppose maybe they should have just made another starwars game ZanuffC

its not only that the game is bad. The game got dissed because of the sixasis so their trying to say no your using it wrong.

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#15 Pro_wrestler
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This reminds me of how politicians are trying to govern things they know nothing about.

"This is how your opinion should be" This is probably the more ridiculous things I've seen Sony do aside from Rootkit.
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#16 ReverseCycology
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Reviwes guides are common. Like IGN said:

It is common for review copies of a game to come with a fact sheet, but this is the first time we've seen an extensive Reviewer's Guide packed with artwork and gameplay advice.

Just looks like Factor 5 included extra things into that fact sheet(wtf artworks do there?), which is the pathetic in my opinion.

Athonline

Yep, review guides are common. But its just a desperate act when they hand out these review guides a week after the release of the game, when reviewers flopped Lair left and right.

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#17 Burnout_Player0
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[QUOTE="Athonline"]

Reviwes guides are common. Like IGN said:

It is common for review copies of a game to come with a fact sheet, but this is the first time we've seen an extensive Reviewer's Guide packed with artwork and gameplay advice.

Just looks like Factor 5 included extra things into that fact sheet(wtf artworks do there?), which is the pathetic in my opinion.

ReverseCycology

Yep, review guides are common. But its just a desperate act when they hand out these review guides a week after the release of the game, when reviewers flopped Lair left and right.

lol. sony went as low as telling reviewers "you're playing the game wrong"

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Sony's Lair Review Guide:

Give it 10/10 or highest possible score.

Ignore all the bad features of the game w/ promise to remove them before gold... opps we promise to patch them up...

The graphics are beautiful and artistic don't worry about the gameplay just enjoy the scenery.

Note how the graphics can only be done on the ps3 repeatedly

do not score the game lower than an 8, or we will insult your publication.

Thank You for Reading the Lar Review Guide.

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#19 souledge474
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"you're playing the game wrong!" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#20 Eponique
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"you're playing the game wrong!" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:souledge474

:lol:

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#21 WhoaNellie32
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sony is pathetic. but phil harrison and his impossible-to-like-lex-luther-demeanor is quite unlikable too...
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#22 Zeliard9
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I hope the guide is leaked to the net. Should provide a solid amount of humor.
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#23 DXGreat1_HGL
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[QUOTE="ZanuffC"]I guess they got really desprate when a game that they put so much money into hyping turned out to be a piece of crap, it isn't acceptable by any means, but maybe at least maybe Factor 5 learned a lesson on balancing graphics and gameplay, though they didn't have such a problem in the past.

I suppose maybe they should have just made another starwars game ff7isnumbaone

its not only that the game is bad. The game got dissed because of the sixasis so their trying to say no your using it wrong.

If you can't control the game then the game is awful. I suppose cows are the only people that buy games not to play them or don't care if you can. The game flopped because it is awful, deal with it.

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#24 sadikovic
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:D at the way cows say "Just because a reviewer doesn't like the controls, it doesn't mean we all dont!" :D :D :D

Yeah right like the controls where the only issue:

- Unresponsive controls

- Stiff animation (Soilders)

- Choppy Framerate

- Glitches galour

- 3-9 secound waits till the pause menu loads

- 5 hour game with no multiplayer and very minimal reply value

- Only two types of dragons to use ingame

- Repetative gameplay: Destroy castle, destroy brigde, defeat enemy's defending castle to let allies in :o teh gameplay variations

Check out the Gametrailer's video review and see the glitches for your selfs.

This game really is a disaster anyone defending it is seriously indenial!

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#25 Burnout_Player0
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Sony's Lair Review Guide:

Give it 10/10 or highest possible score.

Ignore all the bad features of the game w/ promise to remove them before gold... opps we promise to patch them up...

The graphics are beautiful and artistic don't worry about the gameplay just enjoy the scenery.

Note how the graphics can only be done on the ps3 repeatedly

do not score the game lower than an 8, or we will insult your publication.

Thank You for Reading the Lar Review Guide.

jrhawk42

:lol:

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#26 jessie5788
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do people expect sony to just give on selling their products. this is a business At least they trying to sell the game. Not everyone will read the reviews. casuals will buy this game even its crap. there are tons of games hardcores will shun but casuals welcome them.
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#27 pigsybum
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Omg, can someone post the contents inside the 'Lair Reviewer's Guide'?

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#28 DXGreat1_HGL
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do people expect sony to just give on selling their products. this is a business At least they trying to sell the game. Not everyone will read the reviews. casuals will buy this game even its crap. there are tons of games hardcores will shun but casuals welcome them.jessie5788

Give it a rest, if MS or Nintendo spent any money trying to sell a game as pitiful as Lair, everyone would be laughing at them. This is pathetic and proves Sony doesn't care about gamers...

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[QUOTE="jessie5788"]do people expect sony to just give on selling their products. this is a business At least they trying to sell the game. Not everyone will read the reviews. casuals will buy this game even its crap. there are tons of games hardcores will shun but casuals welcome them.DXGreat1_HGL

Give it a rest, if MS or Nintendo spent any money trying to sell a game as pitiful as Lair, everyone would be laughing at them. This is pathetic and proves Sony doesn't care about gamers...

give what a rest if ms or Nintendo did the same i wouldn't be doing anything but saying the same thing . unlike most people on this board i'm pretty neutral. i don't make myself like like 12 year old a** on this board

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#30 Art_424
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Just by looking at the game being played....its horrible controls is just about enough not to buy it. So much money invested into this project to produce garbage.8)
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#31 choasgod
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... well notice how all the low reviews of LAIR are "the controls need work" ...

where is the note about remote play ...
where is the graphical prasie ...
etc.

Sure LAIR is not a good game but its easily a 5.5 - 6.0 game ...
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#32 DXGreat1_HGL
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... well notice how all the low reviews of LAIR are "the controls need work" ...

where is the note about remote play ...
where is the graphical prasie ...
etc.

Sure LAIR is not a good game but its easily a 5.5 - 6.0 game ...
choasgod

By what criteria? If you can't control the game, you can't play it, if you can't play it 4.5 is a better score then it deserves. Who cares if it looks good, I can put a Rolls Royce grill on aVolkswagon Beetledoes it make it a great car?

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#33 bad82man82
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... well notice how all the low reviews of LAIR are "the controls need work" ...

where is the note about remote play ...
where is the graphical prasie ...
etc.

Sure LAIR is not a good game but its easily a 5.5 - 6.0 game ...
choasgod

A child reviewed the game in IGN.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/818/818597p1.html

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#35 ff7isnumbaone
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[QUOTE="choasgod"]... well notice how all the low reviews of LAIR are "the controls need work" ...

where is the note about remote play ...
where is the graphical prasie ...
etc.

Sure LAIR is not a good game but its easily a 5.5 - 6.0 game ...
bad82man82

A child reviewed the game in IGN.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/818/818597p1.html

lol he looks like he would shake the controller wildy.0

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#36 jg4xchamp
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so wait they sent out guides to teach them how to play a game.

Im sorry but that is pathetic. Sony shouldnt worry, Factor 5 was losing it to begin with. Rogue Squadron 3 was just RS 2 with some minor upgrads and similar missions(i mean come on battle of hoth was getting old) and Lair is just as repetitve. The controls suck. the game sucks.

SOny your GOOD DEVS still havent released there games yet, how about you wait before you get desperate.
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#37 myke2010
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... well notice how all the low reviews of LAIR are "the controls need work" ...

where is the note about remote play ...
where is the graphical prasie ...
etc.

Sure LAIR is not a good game but its easily a 5.5 - 6.0 game ...
choasgod
The remote play wasn't even intended. It was discovered after the game was released. Also, the game can't actually be finished using remote play due to the lack of proper sixaxis control. As for graphical praise, the framerate dropped constantly showing the game engine couldn't even handle the graphics. What the heck is there to praise?
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#38 alex77k
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Most of the bashers are lemmings who havent played the game. And give me a break: a company is desperate and pathetic because they are trying to sell a game they invested money?

I know that a company is pathetic when it pays $150 million dollars to a movie studio to drop the competitors format. 150 million dollars that doesnt do any good to consumers, but rather harms some.

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#39 myke2010
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Most of the bashers are lemmings who havent played the game. And give me a break: a company is desperate and pathetic because they are trying to sell a game they invested money?

I know that a company is pathetic when it pays $150 million dollars to a movie studio to drop the competitors format. 150 million dollars that doesnt do any good to consumers, but rather harms some.

alex77k
Some company spending $150 million of their own money is hurting me? How? I get Transformers in HD next month, best $150 million I didn't have to spend.
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#40 Cyberfairy
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umm, sony wants to make money just like ms and nintendo so ofc they try to save the games they have...
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#41 alex77k
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[QUOTE="alex77k"]

Most of the bashers are lemmings who havent played the game. And give me a break: a company is desperate and pathetic because they are trying to sell a game they invested money?

I know that a company is pathetic when it pays $150 million dollars to a movie studio to drop the competitors format. 150 million dollars that doesnt do any good to consumers, but rather harms some.

myke2010

Some company spending $150 million of their own money is hurting me? How? I get Transformers in HD next month, best $150 million I didn't have to spend.

Well, if you have a blu ray player and not a hd-dvd player, then you cant watch it on HD because of MS. So MS is hurting Blu ray owners. They should have spent the money to make the hd-dvd version better, giving the benefit to HD-dvd owners rather hurting blu ray owners while hd-dvd owner get nothing for the $$$ they spent.

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#42 Kahuna_1
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Who is sending these? Sony, or Factor 5?
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#43 ShmenonPie
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Sony are not pathetic or desperate, that's M$, considering they haven't made a profit on their games systems yet, and won't do so for 2 years.

Oh, and the reviewers did review Lair wrong, if you play it like a sane person the controls work excellently. They obviously didn't play it properly. I can say this, as I KNOW this from my own experience.

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#44 funnymario
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Old. And the game still isn't good so....
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#45 ArisShadows
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Is Sony Defense Force truely aserious site, 10/10 for Lair. This gen's Martio Kart 64. WTF!

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#46 lucas_kelly
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Wow. Disgraceful.
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#47 BatmanBegins24
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I would love to this "Guide".
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#48 GalvatronType_R
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"Review guide for Lair" ha, ha, ha, ha. :lol:

This is just a sign of weakness on Sony/Factor 5's part. Also, last time I checked, there is freedom of the press, reviewers can review a game however they want without developers telling them how to review their game.

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#49 skrat_01
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Sony Defence Force Lair Review....

Forget the negative reviews you've been reading about Lair, this game is the real deal. Let me paint a picture for you, if I may be so bold... Picture controlling a dragon with the SIXAXIS motion controls along a beautiful backdrop fighting hundreds, no thousands of other enemies, pulling off combos (called Carnage), breathing fire on soldiers all while being taken through a very fleshed out, epic storyline and you have Factor 5's best game yet: Lair. Let me also state that this game is not possible on any other system out right now as it makes full use of the Blu-ray player and the physics beast that is CELL. Free online leaderboards and the promise of Home compatibility round out this amazing package.

Lair is one of those odd games that comes out of nowhere and completely surprises you. It's one of those rare gems that people will not appreciate at first, but grow to love over time. Make no mistake, Lair could very well be this generation's Mario 64&Prime. With greater use of motion control than any Wii game and better graphics than any 360 game I think it's safe to say we have a candidate for game of the year right here.

SDF Score: 10/10

WTF:|

They compare it to Mario 64...... Mein Gott.

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#50 rowzzr
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[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

[QUOTE="jessie5788"]do people expect sony to just give on selling their products. this is a business At least they trying to sell the game. Not everyone will read the reviews. casuals will buy this game even its crap. there are tons of games hardcores will shun but casuals welcome them.jessie5788

Give it a rest, if MS or Nintendo spent any money trying to sell a game as pitiful as Lair, everyone would be laughing at them. This is pathetic and proves Sony doesn't care about gamers...

give what a rest if ms or Nintendo did the same i wouldn't be doing anything but saying the same thing . unlike most people on this board i'm pretty neutral. i don't make myself like like 12 year old a** on this board

what are you doing posting here, then? this is system wars and you're supposed to support at least one console. system WARs. there's always general games discussion board anyway. lair is a bad game end of story. :p