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#1 civic_misfit
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A lot of people called them arrogant when Sony said the PS3 would cost $600. But Sony has more vision than the fanboys. If the ps3 was cheap like the 360, then Move would not have worked on it. This is because the 360 is maxed out already, and devlopers are still discovering the hidden power of the PS3. Only PS3 has enough power to run 1:1 motion tracking with zero lag.

Sony also had the foresight to put in Blu Ray. Fanboys said there were no benefits. Sony proved them wrong in 2009 with 2 Megaton releases. Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 could not have happened without Blu Ray. There is no way those visuals would fit on a single DVD.

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A lot of people called them arrogant when Sony said the PS3 would cost $600. But Sony has more vision than the fanboys. If the ps3 was cheap like the 360, then Move would not have worked on it. This is because the 360 is maxed out already, and devlopers are still discovering the hidden power of the PS3.

Sony also had the foresight to put in Blu Ray. Fanboys said there were no benefits. Sony proved them wrong in 2009 with 2 Megaton releases. Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 could not have happened without Blu Ray. There is no way those visuals would fit on a single DVD.

civic_misfit

how would Move not have worked?

you do realize the Eyetoy was on the PS2, right? and the same tech used in Move worked on the eyetoy...

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A lot of people called them arrogant when Sony said the PS3 would cost $600. But Sony has more vision than the fanboys. If the ps3 was cheap like the 360, then Move would not have worked on it. This is because the 360 is maxed out already, and devlopers are still discovering the hidden power of the PS3.

Sony also had the foresight to put in Blu Ray. Fanboys said there were no benefits. Sony proved them wrong in 2009 with 2 Megaton releases. Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 could not have happened without Blu Ray. There is no way those visuals would fit on a single DVD.

civic_misfit

Then how did crysis fit on a single dvd, when its visuals are on a whole other level compared to those games?

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#4 Fizzman
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ITS GENIUS

1st they release a console 1 year after its main competitor and charge laughable amount of money for it with zero games.

2nd. They say motion controls blow, but secretly they have Move lurking in the shadows while Nintendo prints money

3rd. ???????

4th Profit.

This will be called the "SUPER SECRETY SONY PLAN" in business schools across the world.

You can squeeze in lose almost all of our marketshare, and brand power anywhere in between steps 1-4.

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Must have hit my head or something because I'm not following :?

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#6 Chris_Williams
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TC i don't understand what your trying to say

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#7 i5750at4Ghz
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If you consider losing a huge chunk of market share knowing what they were doing I agree.
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Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 could not have happened without Blu Ray. There is no way those visuals would fit on a single DVD.

civic_misfit

Heard of Crysis? Best looking game of this generation, period? Yeah, it's on DVD.

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#9 civic_misfit
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TC i don't understand what your trying to say

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I'm saying the 360 doesn't have enough processing power to run super accurate 1:1 motion tracking.
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#10 WhenCicadasCry
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Seeing as Sony Move is basically a Wii rip off... I'm not sure how the 360 wouldn't be able to handle a device that even the Wii can do. :|

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#11 Punjabiking101
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Yeah, all that money lost, no quality games for 3 years, Awesome plan ;)

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A lot of people called them arrogant when Sony said the PS3 would cost $600. But Sony has more vision than the fanboys. If the ps3 was cheap like the 360, then Move would not have worked on it. This is because the 360 is maxed out already, and devlopers are still discovering the hidden power of the PS3.

Sony also had the foresight to put in Blu Ray. Fanboys said there were no benefits. Sony proved them wrong in 2009 with 2 Megaton releases. Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 could not have happened without Blu Ray. There is no way those visuals would fit on a single DVD.

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I just want to get this straight.

So Sony decided to launch a console that would lose them hundreds of dollars with each unit, a situation that was only rectified last month, four years into the PS3's lifespan, in order to take advantage of a technology that Sony was initially skeptical would ever catch on, and only began thinking about developing a prototype for two years after they released their console, and in order to tap an ephemeral hidden power which, as of yet, has given the PS3 no concrete performance advantage over the 360 in most major multiplats, and has lost their edge over casual games and non-gamers they failed to retain from the PS2 to the Wii.

Oh, and to take advantage of a sluggish Blu-ray uptake still hampered by HDTV adoption, which it looks like it might never have its day in the sun due to digital distribution superceding it.

Sony has turned their fortunes around since launch remarkably, yes, but please don't pretend like this is all part of some master plan. They made some serious errors in the past few years, were humbled, and will be a better competitor for it.

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#13 civic_misfit
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Yeah, all that money lost, no quality games for 3 years, Awesome plan ;)

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They were planning for the future, not the short term.
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Yeah, all that money lost, no quality games for 3 years, Awesome plan ;)

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Hey it's all part of the plan, remember the PS3's 10 year life span :P

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#15 88mphSlayer
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

TC i don't understand what your trying to say

civic_misfit

I'm saying the 360 doesn't have enough processing power to run super accurate 1:1 motion tracking.

'cept the PS2 alreadyd did that

the only limitation on the PS2 was the camera itself, not the console

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[QUOTE="Punjabiking101"]

Yeah, all that money lost, no quality games for 3 years, Awesome plan ;)

civic_misfit

They were planning for the future, not the short term.

And failed. You do realize the PS3 is in last place right? No company would purposely put themselves in the position Sony is in.

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#17 Espada12
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Lol man this is some good bait but no! I'm not taking it!!!!!

OK fine I'll take a little. What does 600 dollars and blu-ray have to do with move working??

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#18 Punjabiking101
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[QUOTE="Punjabiking101"]

Yeah, all that money lost, no quality games for 3 years, Awesome plan ;)

civic_misfit
They were planning for the future, not the short term.

Sure, well who's going to be still playing the ps3 in 2014 when the new Wii/xbox comes out buddy?
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[QUOTE="Punjabiking101"]

Yeah, all that money lost, no quality games for 3 years, Awesome plan ;)

ujjval16

Hey it's all part of the plan,

They're schemers, all of them, all trying to control their little worlds.
I just did what I do best: I took their little plan and turned it on its head.

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#20 Punjabiking101
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[QUOTE="Punjabiking101"]

Yeah, all that money lost, no quality games for 3 years, Awesome plan ;)

ujjval16

Hey it's all part of the plan, remember the PS3's 10 year life span :P

Totally, :lol:
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[QUOTE="Punjabiking101"]

Yeah, all that money lost, no quality games for 3 years, Awesome plan ;)

ujjval16

Hey it's all part of the plan, remember the PS3's 10 year life span :P

Totally, :lol:

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[QUOTE="Punjabiking101"]

Yeah, all that money lost, no quality games for 3 years, Awesome plan ;)

civic_misfit

They were planning for the future, not the short term.

what was the advantage they explained to you at the board meeting you attended?

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A lot of people called them arrogant when Sony said the PS3 would cost $600. But Sony has more vision than the fanboys. If the ps3 was cheap like the 360, then Move would not have worked on it. This is because the 360 is maxed out already, and devlopers are still discovering the hidden power of the PS3. Only PS3 has enough power to run 1:1 motion tracking with zero lag.

Sony also had the foresight to put in Blu Ray. Fanboys said there were no benefits. Sony proved them wrong in 2009 with 2 Megaton releases. Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 could not have happened without Blu Ray. There is no way those visuals would fit on a single DVD.

civic_misfit

lulz, where do you even start?

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#24 civic_misfit
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Lol man this is some good bait but no! I'm not taking it!!!!!

OK fine I'll take a little. What does 600 dollars and blu-ray have to do with move working??

Espada12

I'm make it simple for you. The Cell + Blu Ray = $600 beast. The Cell allows the PS3 to run 1:1 motion tracking with 0 lag. And Blu Ray allowed Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 to have amazing visuals. Sony was planning for the future.

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[QUOTE="civic_misfit"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Lol man this is some good bait but no! I'm not taking it!!!!!

OK fine I'll take a little. What does 600 dollars and blu-ray have to do with move working??

I'm make it simple for you. The Cell + Blu Ray = $600 beast. The Cell allows the PS3 to run 1:1 motion tracking with 0 lag. And Blu Ray allowed Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 to have amazing visuals. Sony was planning for the future.

Man, you totally worship Sony, don't you?
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[QUOTE="civic_misfit"]

A lot of people called them arrogant when Sony said the PS3 would cost $600. But Sony has more vision than the fanboys. If the ps3 was cheap like the 360, then Move would not have worked on it. This is because the 360 is maxed out already, and devlopers are still discovering the hidden power of the PS3. Only PS3 has enough power to run 1:1 motion tracking with zero lag.

Sony also had the foresight to put in Blu Ray. Fanboys said there were no benefits. Sony proved them wrong in 2009 with 2 Megaton releases. Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 could not have happened without Blu Ray. There is no way those visuals would fit on a single DVD.

u shoudl use MGS as a better example, that was a 50gig game
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[QUOTE="winner-ps3"][QUOTE="civic_misfit"]

A lot of people called them arrogant when Sony said the PS3 would cost $600. But Sony has more vision than the fanboys. If the ps3 was cheap like the 360, then Move would not have worked on it. This is because the 360 is maxed out already, and devlopers are still discovering the hidden power of the PS3. Only PS3 has enough power to run 1:1 motion tracking with zero lag.

Sony also had the foresight to put in Blu Ray. Fanboys said there were no benefits. Sony proved them wrong in 2009 with 2 Megaton releases. Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 could not have happened without Blu Ray. There is no way those visuals would fit on a single DVD.

u shoudl use MGS as a better example, that was a 50gig game

So you think he's actually right?
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:| are you serious?

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:| are you serious?

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Why so serious?
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="civic_misfit"][QUOTE="Punjabiking101"]

Yeah, all that money lost, no quality games for 3 years, Awesome plan ;)

They were planning for the future, not the short term.

what was the advantage they explained to you at the board meeting you attended?

The advantage is to make everyone think they're at a disadvantage then unleash the power of 'teh cell' :P
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#31 Punjabiking101
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Lol man this is some good bait but no! I'm not taking it!!!!!

OK fine I'll take a little. What does 600 dollars and blu-ray have to do with move working??

civic_misfit

I'm make it simple for you. The Cell + Blu Ray = $600 beast. The Cell allows the PS3 to run 1:1 motion tracking with 0 lag. And Blu Ray allowed Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 to have amazing visuals. Sony was planning for the future.

Future with just a cpu and a disk reader sounds fun.
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So...

Here's this giant enemy crab!

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#33 Mario1331
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[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

:| are you serious?

charizard1605

Why so serious?

lol no im just trying to figure out if hes joking or not.....i dont think he is:?

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Dude, the 360 isnt maxed....

you know what? No, im not gonna do it.

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#35 civic_misfit
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[QUOTE="civic_misfit"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Lol man this is some good bait but no! I'm not taking it!!!!!

OK fine I'll take a little. What does 600 dollars and blu-ray have to do with move working??

charizard1605

I'm make it simple for you. The Cell + Blu Ray = $600 beast. The Cell allows the PS3 to run 1:1 motion tracking with 0 lag. And Blu Ray allowed Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 to have amazing visuals. Sony was planning for the future.

Man, you totally worship Sony, don't you?

Sony said that Move couldn't have happened if the PS3 wasn't so powerful.

http://www.ripten.com/2010/07/08/sony-we-thought-of-motion-control-before-the-wii-came-out-sam-n/

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[QUOTE="civic_misfit"]

A lot of people called them arrogant when Sony said the PS3 would cost $600. But Sony has more vision than the fanboys. If the ps3 was cheap like the 360, then Move would not have worked on it. This is because the 360 is maxed out already, and devlopers are still discovering the hidden power of the PS3. Only PS3 has enough power to run 1:1 motion tracking with zero lag.

Sony also had the foresight to put in Blu Ray. Fanboys said there were no benefits. Sony proved them wrong in 2009 with 2 Megaton releases. Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 could not have happened without Blu Ray. There is no way those visuals would fit on a single DVD.

ur no using th eright facts, it was 600 bc bluray technology, they used it to help make bluray the next standard, bluray gives devs more space to add more textures/sound/animations, ass ps3 becomes cheaper now they can sell the move to the casual gaming market, and hopefully they will ride the ps3 for another 6 years and overlap the next xbox, therfore ps3 becoming the ps2 all over again : )
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Yes i'm sure sony planned all along to go from Dead First to Dead last....

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#38 winner-ps3
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[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

Dude, the 360 isnt maxed....

you know what? No, im not gonna do it.

it kinda is, the best graphical games on consoles are all ps3 games since uncharted1, then kz2 then uncharted 2, then god3 then GT5 then kz3, oh forgot heavy rain, with each outdoing the previous in different ways...so 360 just makes good looking games, ps3 makes great lookign games...
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#39 civic_misfit
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[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

Dude, the 360 isnt maxed....

you know what? No, im not gonna do it.

winner-ps3

it kinda is, the best graphical games on consoles are all ps3 games since uncharted1, then kz2 then uncharted 2, then god3 then GT5 then kz3, oh forgot heavy rain, with each outdoing the previous in different ways...so 360 just makes good looking games, ps3 makes great lookign games...

I agree. If 360 isn't maxed, then why doesn't it have any games that look as good as Uncharted 2?

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#40 XboximusPrime
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[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

Dude, the 360 isnt maxed....

you know what? No, im not gonna do it.

winner-ps3

it kinda is, the best graphical games on consoles are all ps3 games since uncharted1, then kz2 then uncharted 2, then god3 then GT5 then kz3, oh forgot heavy rain, with each outdoing the previous in different ways...so 360 just makes good looking games, ps3 makes great lookign games...

360 games look fine. Yes, PS3 games lately do look better, but many would argue thats a engine thing, not really a console thing. And even so, who gives a crap if the Multipalts are looking better on 360? I might wanna have better looking multiplats, which make up most our gaming, as opposed to bit better looking exclusvies. Since on the whole, im going to be playing Multiplatform more.

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[QUOTE="winner-ps3"][QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

Dude, the 360 isnt maxed....

you know what? No, im not gonna do it.

civic_misfit

it kinda is, the best graphical games on consoles are all ps3 games since uncharted1, then kz2 then uncharted 2, then god3 then GT5 then kz3, oh forgot heavy rain, with each outdoing the previous in different ways...so 360 just makes good looking games, ps3 makes great lookign games...

I agree. If 360 isn't maxed, then why doesn't it have any games that look better than Gears?

games like crysis 2 and Rage on the 360 both look better than gears of war.

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#42 XboximusPrime
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[QUOTE="winner-ps3"][QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

Dude, the 360 isnt maxed....

you know what? No, im not gonna do it.

civic_misfit

it kinda is, the best graphical games on consoles are all ps3 games since uncharted1, then kz2 then uncharted 2, then god3 then GT5 then kz3, oh forgot heavy rain, with each outdoing the previous in different ways...so 360 just makes good looking games, ps3 makes great lookign games...

I agree. If 360 isn't maxed, then why doesn't it have any games that look better than Gears?

Rage looked better then gears of war 2, and that was running on 360. Its multiplatform, but still, its a game that look better then Gears running on the 360. Also, I think the enviorments of Alan wake look better then Gears. It really depends.

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#43 civic_misfit
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[QUOTE="winner-ps3"][QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

Dude, the 360 isnt maxed....

you know what? No, im not gonna do it.

XboximusPrime

it kinda is, the best graphical games on consoles are all ps3 games since uncharted1, then kz2 then uncharted 2, then god3 then GT5 then kz3, oh forgot heavy rain, with each outdoing the previous in different ways...so 360 just makes good looking games, ps3 makes great lookign games...

360 games look fine. Yes, PS3 games lately do look better, but many would argue thats a engine thing, not really a console thing. And even so, who gives a crap if the Multipalts are looking better on 360? I might wanna have better looking multiplats, which make up most our gaming, as opposed to bit better looking exclusvies. Since on the whole, im going to be playing Multiplatform more.

*facepalm* multiplats look better because 360 is easier to max out.
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#44 XboximusPrime
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Really, I think people need to look at teh PS2 to realize that a console really never is maxed out, atleast not until way down the line. GOW 2 came out and it looked better then most PS2 games before it, if not all games before it on PS2, and that thing was 6 years after the PS2s launch.

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#45 XboximusPrime
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[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

[QUOTE="winner-ps3"] it kinda is, the best graphical games on consoles are all ps3 games since uncharted1, then kz2 then uncharted 2, then god3 then GT5 then kz3, oh forgot heavy rain, with each outdoing the previous in different ways...so 360 just makes good looking games, ps3 makes great lookign games...civic_misfit

360 games look fine. Yes, PS3 games lately do look better, but many would argue thats a engine thing, not really a console thing. And even so, who gives a crap if the Multipalts are looking better on 360? I might wanna have better looking multiplats, which make up most our gaming, as opposed to bit better looking exclusvies. Since on the whole, im going to be playing Multiplatform more.

*facepalm* multiplats look better because 360 is easier to max out.

No, they look better because 360 is easier to work with, not because it maxes out. if so, then the first game to look better on 360 would technicaly max it out. Because you jsut said they turn up better because it maxes out. Now, unless you can max a console out 100 times and each time the games look better and better, which makes no freakin sense, that argument you have is stupid. Its not because it maxes out, its because most devs dev on 360 first. Nothing you can control and more then likely something that is never going to change for all devs. Youll get one or two that dev on Ps3 first, but thats going to be it probaly. And even if your stupid argument is true, then what does it matter if the 360 version is still constantly looking better? It ameks no difference because the end resulyt is the same and is a norm. so maybe just accept it.

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#46 civic_misfit
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[QUOTE="civic_misfit"][QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

360 games look fine. Yes, PS3 games lately do look better, but many would argue thats a engine thing, not really a console thing. And even so, who gives a crap if the Multipalts are looking better on 360? I might wanna have better looking multiplats, which make up most our gaming, as opposed to bit better looking exclusvies. Since on the whole, im going to be playing Multiplatform more.

XboximusPrime

*facepalm* multiplats look better because 360 is easier to max out.

No, they look better because 360 is easier to work with, not because it maxes out. if so, then the first game to look better on 360 would technicaly max it out. Because you jsut said they turn up better because it maxes out. Now, unless you can max a console out 100 times and each time the games look better and better, which makes no freakin sense, that argument you have is stupid. Its not because it maxes out, its because most devs dev on 360 first. Nothing you can control and more then likely something that is never going to change for all devs. Youll get one or two that dev on Ps3 first, but thats going to be it probaly. And even if your stupid argument is true, then what does it matter if the 360 version is still constantly looking better? It ameks no difference because the end resulyt is the same and is a norm. so maybe just accept it.

OK but why doesn't Xbox have anything that looks as good as Uncharted 2? It's because Uncharted 2 can't be done one the 360...
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#47 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

[QUOTE="civic_misfit"] *facepalm* multiplats look better because 360 is easier to max out.civic_misfit

No, they look better because 360 is easier to work with, not because it maxes out. if so, then the first game to look better on 360 would technicaly max it out. Because you jsut said they turn up better because it maxes out. Now, unless you can max a console out 100 times and each time the games look better and better, which makes no freakin sense, that argument you have is stupid. Its not because it maxes out, its because most devs dev on 360 first. Nothing you can control and more then likely something that is never going to change for all devs. Youll get one or two that dev on Ps3 first, but thats going to be it probaly. And even if your stupid argument is true, then what does it matter if the 360 version is still constantly looking better? It ameks no difference because the end resulyt is the same and is a norm. so maybe just accept it.

OK but why doesn't Xbox have anything that looks as good as Uncharted 2? It's because Uncharted 2 can't be done one the 360...

Crysis 2 looks just as good, if not better.

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#48 RavenLoud
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Dam, just when you thought stereotypes don't exist...

Lems can eat this one alive.

Of course, Sony totally meant to lose billions on the PS3 and more than 2/3 of their marketshare :roll:

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#49 PandaBear86
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[QUOTE="civic_misfit"]

A lot of people called them arrogant when Sony said the PS3 would cost $600. But Sony has more vision than the fanboys. If the ps3 was cheap like the 360, then Move would not have worked on it. This is because the 360 is maxed out already, and devlopers are still discovering the hidden power of the PS3.

Sony also had the foresight to put in Blu Ray. Fanboys said there were no benefits. Sony proved them wrong in 2009 with 2 Megaton releases. Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 could not have happened without Blu Ray. There is no way those visuals would fit on a single DVD.

Then how did crysis fit on a single dvd, when its visuals are on a whole other level compared to those games?

PC games are compresses more heavily, because it gets de-compressed onto your hard drive, unlike consoles which process data from the disc on-the-fly and use less compressions