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#1 regnaston
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From the same documents as the thread that talks about Sony keeping games out of Gamepass

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#2 deactivated-62852ef1135c6
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If you think MS doesn't do this too...

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#3 JasonOfA36
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What game/s, though?

Because there's a huge gap in terms of technical stuff between the PS4 version and PC version of HZD, and that's a 1st party Sony game.

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#4 regnaston
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@wandering_halls said:

If you think MS doesn't do this too...

we have no proof they do or don't .. we do have proof Sony does this

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#5  Edited By lamprey263
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There you have it, why Control Ultimate Edition had to come to Xbox and why people had to double dip, because Ps5 couldn't do Smart Delivery.

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#6  Edited By deactivated-62852ef1135c6
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@regnaston said:
@wandering_halls said:

If you think MS doesn't do this too...

we have no proof they do or don't .. we do have proof Sony does this

Sure, but what I'm saying is if you think that MS doesn't this too then, well, you're being kinda naive. I mean, these are soulless corporations we're talking about here, both MS and Sony. Of course they do crap like this.

Not saying you personally do or don't think that, mind you.

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#7 SolidGame_basic
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I just heard a rumor that Sony is leaving the console business. Sucks for them.

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#8 Pedro
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Initiate damage control code MSDOESIT2. 😂

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#9  Edited By lamprey263
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I wonder if Capcom will disable quick resume on Xbox systems since PS4 and PS5 cannot do it

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#10 Pedro
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@lamprey263 said:

I wonder if Capcom will disable quick resume on Xbox systems since PS4 and PS5 cannot do it

I don't think it is up to the developers but I could be wrong.

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#11 deactivated-62852ef1135c6
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@Pedro said:

Initiate damage control code MSDOESIT2. 😂

Whoa, whoa, hey now. I'm not saying Sony isn't a bad guy. They most certainly are. Paying to keep games off other systems is straight up garbage, and Sony is garbage for doing it so much. It's every bit as much garbage as paying for parity is.

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Stop supporting Sony. That was easy.

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#13 TumorStation5
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So if ps5 games in near future need to be 1080p because it can't go higher than that is going to force development on other superior systems the same ? Such pathetic move.

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#14 Pedro
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@wandering_halls said:

Whoa, whoa, hey now. I'm not saying Sony isn't a bad guy. They most certainly are. Paying to keep games off other systems is straight up garbage, and Sony is garbage for doing it so much. It's every bit as much garbage as paying for parity is.

Any company paying to undermine the purchase of a game on any platform is playing dirty as far as I am concern. If you paid $60 for a game on your preferred platform, you should get the same content as someone who games on another platform for the same price. However, this exclusive content to specific platforms for the same price is not in gamers interest. That has been my stance for ages.

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#15 regnaston
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So if ps5 games in near future need to be 1080p because it can't go higher than that is going to force development on other superior systems the same ? Such pathetic move.

only for games they have marketing deals or timed exclusivity

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#16 tribesjah
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The document does say "subject to material technical limitations" which I interpret as make it run as well as possible on our system can run it, and it's OK if it looks better on a more powerful platform (PC, XSX) as long as the reason for it looking better on another system is that the system is more powerful (and not because it got a more favorable treatment). Seems fine to me tbh

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#17 deactivated-62852ef1135c6
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@Pedro said:
@wandering_halls said:

Whoa, whoa, hey now. I'm not saying Sony isn't a bad guy. They most certainly are. Paying to keep games off other systems is straight up garbage, and Sony is garbage for doing it so much. It's every bit as much garbage as paying for parity is.

Any company paying to undermine the purchase of a game on any platform is playing dirty as far as I am concern. If you paid $60 for a game on your preferred platform, you should get the same content as someone who games on another platform for the same price. However, this exclusive content to specific platforms for the same price is not in gamers interest. That has been my stance for ages.

I agree. That was my original meaning pretty much; I actually meant more than just MS. I'm sure MS does this too. I'm sure Nintendo does in some way as well. I think they're all bad guys. Any console company that does crap like this, absolutely. It is a horrible practice. Totally anti-consumer and shouldn't be tolerated.

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#18 JoshRMeyer
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I thought MS had a gazillion dollars and Sony was broke? How is Sony outbidding MS?

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#19 regnaston
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@joshrmeyer said:

I thought MS had a gazillion dollars and Sony was broke? How is Sony outbidding MS?

that is what you take from this thread?

MS may not want to overbid on single game exclusivity and parity

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#20 Pedro
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@joshrmeyer said:

I thought MS had a gazillion dollars and Sony was broke? How is Sony outbidding MS?

I thought you were smart, I was wrong. 😎

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#21 BenjaminBanklin
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What's the source on this? Smells like horseshit

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#22 regnaston
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Probably from the Capcom leak

here is all 11 pages of the document https://ibb.co/album/JFWyJY (page 2 talks of technical parity)

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#23 hardwenzen
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@joshrmeyer said:

I thought MS had a gazillion dollars and Sony was broke? How is Sony outbidding MS?

Our ps5's are very underpowered, and this needed to be done tbh.

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#24 Pedro
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@BenjaminBanklin said:

What's the source on this? Smells like horseshit

https://ibb.co/album/JFWyJY 🤭

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I'll wait for actual confirmation of this from either Sony or Capcom. It reeks of an Xbot with too much time on their hands.

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#26 daredevils2k
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Is it safe to say that Sony did MS a favor , by not adding more garbage to the game pass line up?

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#27  Edited By Pedro
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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

I'll wait for actual confirmation of this from either Sony or Capcom. It reeks of an Xbot with too much time on their hands.

Don't be a Karen. 😂

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@lamprey263 said:

There you have it, why Control Ultimate Edition had to come to Xbox and why people had to double dip, because Ps5 couldn't do Smart Delivery.

Lol wtf are you talking about. They gave the PS5 version of control away on PS+.

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#29 LuxuryHeart
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The more Sony acts like this and puts their money in this instead of improving their games, the more I'm happy with my decision to skip out on the PS5. Moving forward, Sony is showing a very ugly side of themselves.

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#30 hardwenzen
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I wish Quak was still around. I would loooove to trigger him right now 😁

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#31 Nirgal
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Says "subject to material platform limitations", to me it reads that parity must be achieved if hardware is equivalent, but if there are material platform limitations (the other hardware is simply more powerful), lack of parity is accepted.

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#32 sakaiXx
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? Seems like a normal exclusive content for consoles. Xbox did like got exposed to this a few years back.

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@lamprey263 said:

There you have it, why Control Ultimate Edition had to come to Xbox and why people had to double dip, because Ps5 couldn't do Smart Delivery.

um it can... its on micrsoft own servers... psn is running on and such.

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#34 JoshRMeyer
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@hardwenzen: Now we know that their PS5 budget wasn't spent on the SSD, but on keeping games off gamepass. If gamepass didn't exist, we would have had a PS5 that outpowered the XSX like the ps4 outpowered xbone. Well played MS.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

I'll wait for actual confirmation of this from either Sony or Capcom. It reeks of an Xbot with too much time on their hands.

Remember when you said Sony would force R* to do parity for the X/PRO versions of RDR2, and how it never happened LMFAO, at least Sony can bully little old crapcom lol.

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#36 JoshRMeyer
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@Pedro: Comn pedro, you're better than the personal attacks you've been giving lately. But you're right... if I was smart, I probably wouldn't be on a gaming forum replying to people I don't know.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

I'll wait for actual confirmation of this from either Sony or Capcom. It reeks of an Xbot with too much time on their hands.

You didn't need to wait for clarification yesterday when you had so much time on you hands you dreamt up that bullshit theory about MLB developers having low moral due to working on a game that was now on the Xbox.

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#38 Bluestars
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and it’s still 3RD placestation in every game.

VRR.....for the players

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#39 tdkmillsy
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Why would Sony need this if PS5 is as good as Series X?

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#40 Zero_epyon
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Subject to material limitations though. Which means if the hardware (Xbox, PC) is more powerful. It also says they can’t make a game that has less features or content. I believe MS had a similarly parity clause back in the day. This is pretty normal looking stuff.

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#41 Eoten
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So not only are they giving money to developers to try to keep games off Game Pass, they're paying developers to hold back titles so they'll play the same on all platforms. What a bunch of losers.

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@Zero_epyon said:

Subject to material limitations though. Which means if the hardware (Xbox, PC) is more powerful. It also says they can’t make a game that has less features or content. I believe MS had a similarly parity clause back in the day. This is pretty normal looking stuff.

Sony apologist is here

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#43 PC_Rocks
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You will end up doing such things when you over hype a storage device.

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#44 hardwenzen
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@tdkmillsy said:

Why would Sony need this if PS5 is as good as Series X?

The PS5 is actually a bit stronger, but the full potential of the SSD needs to be unlocked with the upcoming summer update.

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https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1384773491988303872

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#46 SolidGame_basic
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@howmakewood: Lem/Herm meltdown in 3...2...

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#47 deactivated-628e6669daebe
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This is Sony playing 5D Chess.

Buys a discount outdated GPU, then pays developers to artificially limit development on the competition.

Says Game Pass model is unsustainable, then charges players $70 for each game and uses that money to take games away from Game Pass.

Genius strategy.

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#48 deactivated-642321fb121ca
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Happens on PC too, look at vahalla. AMD cards destroy the Nvidia counterparts, pretty shitty.

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#49 deactivated-642321fb121ca
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@regnaston said:

The twitter link just found one with MS wording, they all do it.

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#50 sakaiXx
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Ok the flame was fun but close thread.