Sony rebutts Gabe Newell's claim that "PS3 is a total disaster"

Interviewer reads Newell's quote:
Gabe Newell: "The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels. I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers wanted, and what developers wanted. I say even at this late date, they should cancel it and do a do-over. Just say, 'this was a horrible disaster, and we're sorry, and we're going to stop selling this,' and stop trying to convince people to develop for it."
Phil Harrison, President of Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios: "Well first and foremost I think Gabe's company has made 2 of the best games I've ever played. So I have deep respect for his output as a developer/publisher, but perhaps not so much for his comments in the press."
"By what measure is the launch of the Playstation 3 unsuccessful? We have people lined up in three continents to buy Playstation 3's. They were there for days at a time lining up, and we sold everything we shipped into the marketplace. We continued to supply the product to the marketplace on a weekly basis and we scheduled those supplies in great detail with our retail partners to meet their operational needs--and we met them. We have supplied into the marketplace more products in Japan, Asia, and the US than we did for the launches of Playstation 1 or Playstation 2, with more software than we did for Playstation 1 or Playstation 2, two formats that have combined to sell over 225 million units and over 2 billion units of software. What's wrong with this picture?
"However, we can always sell more. We can always have more software. The European launch is on track for the 23 of March. The boat with most of the supply....is on its way from China to various European ports as we speak. Hope the Suez Canal doesn't get closed, otherwise we're all screwed. The commitment to ship a million units into Europe on Day 1 has been made, and will be achieved. So, it's a phenomenal launch by any measure. Then add on top of that what's in the box. The fact that this is all inventive technology, that this is all new stuff, and it's leading edge stuff--I think it's a fantastic achievement."
Source: GDC conference with Phil, Part 3 (watch on www.gametrailers.com)
Gabe...owned? Or did Phil fail at damage control?
fuzzysquash

Well, Gabe was very unprofessional saying something like that, but to each their own. Gabe didn't make any PSOne, PSP, or PS2 games so he can bite any had he feeds he wants.

That being said, it is interesting Sony even bothered to respond, he's just a PC developer, what would have been shocking is seeing SQUARE, Capcom, Konami, etc. say something like that.

Still, I don't think the Damage Control was that great by Sony either, but then again, Gabe's statement was very general, so who knows.

Gabe is a big Nintendo fan, and obviously wasn't a fan of the PS2 from numorous other interviews prior.

I can say that they presented more Information for those that don't know or understand how to gauge success.

Interviewer reads Newell's quote:

Gabe Newell: "The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels. I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers wanted, and what developers wanted. I say even at this late date, they should cancel it and do a do-over. Just say, 'this was a horrible disaster, and we're sorry, and we're going to stop selling this,' and stop trying to convince people to develop for it."

Phil Harrison: "Well first and foremost I think Gabe's company has made 2 of the best games I've ever played. So I have deep respect for his output as a developer/publisher, but perhaps not so much for his comments in the press."

"By what measure is the launch of the Playstation 3 unsuccessful? We have people lined up in three continents to buy Playstation 3's. They were there for days at a time lining up, and we sold everything we shipped into the marketplace. We continued to supply the product to the marketplace on a weekly basis and we scheduled those supplies in great detail with our retail partners to meet their operational needs--and we met them. We have supplied into the marketplace more products in Japan, Asia, and the US than we did for the launches of Playstation 1 or Playstation 2, with more software than we did for Playstation 1 or Playstation 2, two formats that have combined to sell over 225 million units and over 2 billion units of software. What's wrong with this picture?

"However, we can always sell more. We can always have more software. The European launch is on track for the 23 of March. The boat with most of the supply....is on its way from China to various European ports as we speak. Hope the Suez Canal doesn't get closed, otherwise we're all screwed. The commitment to ship a million units into Europe on Day 1 has been made, and will be achieved. So, it's a phenomenal launch by any measure. Then add on top of that what's in the box. The fact that this is all inventive technology, that this is all new stuff, and it's leading edge stuff--I think it's a fantastic achievement."

Source: GDC conference with Phil, Part 3 (watch on www.gametrailers.com)

Gabe...owned? Or did Phil fail at damage control?

fuzzysquash

Damage control. Gabe Newell's comment was more from the hardware, technical aspects of the PS3 and the difficulty of developing games for that platform. Phill Harrison's comment is more like " FU people are buying our crap, so you opinion doesn't matter"

Well, Gabe was very unprofessional saying something like that, but to each their own.

That being said, it is interesting Sony even bothered with his words, he's just a PC developer, what would have been shocking is seeing SQUARE, Capcom, Konami, etc. say something like that.

Still, I don't think the Damage Control was that great either, but then again, Gabe's statement was very general, so who knows.

Gabe is a big Nintendo fan, and obviously wasn't a fan of the PS2 either.

SolidTy

Interviewer reads Newell's quote:

Gabe Newell: "The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels. I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers wanted, and what developers wanted. I say even at this late date, they should cancel it and do a do-over. Just say, 'this was a horrible disaster, and we're sorry, and we're going to stop selling this,' and stop trying to convince people to develop for it."

Phil Harrison: "Well first and foremost I think Gabe's company has made 2 of the best games I've ever played. So I have deep respect for his output as a developer/publisher, but perhaps not so much for his comments in the press."

"By what measure is the launch of the Playstation 3 unsuccessful? We have people lined up in three continents to buy Playstation 3's. They were there for days at a time lining up, and we sold everything we shipped into the marketplace. We continued to supply the product to the marketplace on a weekly basis and we scheduled those supplies in great detail with our retail partners to meet their operational needs--and we met them. We have supplied into the marketplace more products in Japan, Asia, and the US than we did for the launches of Playstation 1 or Playstation 2, with more software than we did for Playstation 1 or Playstation 2, two formats that have combined to sell over 225 million units and over 2 billion units of software. What's wrong with this picture?

"However, we can always sell more. We can always have more software. The European launch is on track for the 23 of March. The boat with most of the supply....is on its way from China to various European ports as we speak. Hope the Suez Canal doesn't get closed, otherwise we're all screwed. The commitment to ship a million units into Europe on Day 1 has been made, and will be achieved. So, it's a phenomenal launch by any measure. Then add on top of that what's in the box. The fact that this is all inventive technology, that this is all new stuff, and it's leading edge stuff--I think it's a fantastic achievement."

Source: GDC conference with Phil, Part 3 (watch on www.gametrailers.com)

Gabe...owned? Or did Phil fail at damage control?

fuzzysquash

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Well, Gabe was very unprofessional saying something like that, but to each their own.

That being said, it is interesting Sony even bothered with his words, he's just a PC developer, what would have been shocking is seeing SQUARE, Capcom, Konami, etc. say something like that.

Still, I don't think the Damage Control was that great either, but then again, Gabe's statement was very general, so who knows.

Gabe is a big Nintendo fan, and obviously wasn't a fan of the PS2 either.

Heith

Capcom always does that. Does 2 games really mean that though. NO.

They did the same for Dreamcast, actually they did better for the Dreamcast. So, being a fan of history, Capcom's 2 games do not equate to that. It may look like that NOW, from today's perpective, but Capcom eagerly supports new hardware.

Look at the original XBOX even...c'mon.

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]Interviewer reads Newell's quote:

Gabe Newell: "The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels. I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers wanted, and what developers wanted. I say even at this late date, they should cancel it and do a do-over. Just say, 'this was a horrible disaster, and we're sorry, and we're going to stop selling this,' and stop trying to convince people to develop for it."

Phil Harrison: "Well first and foremost I think Gabe's company has made 2 of the best games I've ever played. So I have deep respect for his output as a developer/publisher, but perhaps not so much for his comments in the press."

"By what measure is the launch of the Playstation 3 unsuccessful? We have people lined up in three continents to buy Playstation 3's. They were there for days at a time lining up, and we sold everything we shipped into the marketplace. We continued to supply the product to the marketplace on a weekly basis and we scheduled those supplies in great detail with our retail partners to meet their operational needs--and we met them. We have supplied into the marketplace more products in Japan, Asia, and the US than we did for the launches of Playstation 1 or Playstation 2, with more software than we did for Playstation 1 or Playstation 2, two formats that have combined to sell over 225 million units and over 2 billion units of software. What's wrong with this picture?

"However, we can always sell more. We can always have more software. The European launch is on track for the 23 of March. The boat with most of the supply....is on its way from China to various European ports as we speak. Hope the Suez Canal doesn't get closed, otherwise we're all screwed. The commitment to ship a million units into Europe on Day 1 has been made, and will be achieved. So, it's a phenomenal launch by any measure. Then add on top of that what's in the box. The fact that this is all inventive technology, that this is all new stuff, and it's leading edge stuff--I think it's a fantastic achievement."

Source: GDC conference with Phil, Part 3 (watch on www.gametrailers.com)

Gabe...owned? Or did Phil fail at damage control?

Blue-Sky

Damage control. Gabe Newell's comment was more from the hardware, technical aspects of the PS3 and the difficulty of developing games for that platform. Phill Harrison's comment is more like " FU people are buying our crap, so you opinion doesn't matter"

Yeah, it was Damage Control. Sure.
Gabe is totally right, the PS3 is truly just a disaster and they should scrap it. Sure.

Where's your old account, that post belongs with the other one.

You certianly can't count on much if any Support for the PS3 from Valve. They weren't even willing to Port Half Life 2 Episode 2 to the PS3. The most Valve was willing to do was hand the port over to EA and say "You do it" :lol:

And Gabe's comments were based more towards the PS3's hardware, it's backwards architecture ad difficulty to code for.

And all Phil could do was Damage control Sony's "Worldwide" launch :lol:
UpSwing

I saw that interview on GameTrailers and you shouldn't even ask that question. Phil ran the usual PR damage control.Felous1

what else would he do, you say it as if Bill Gates or anyone else from Microsoft or nintendo would do any different?

I think Phill Harrison is the Sony's best PR, and i quite like him.

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]Interviewer reads Newell's quote:

Gabe Newell: "The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels. I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers wanted, and what developers wanted. I say even at this late date, they should cancel it and do a do-over. Just say, 'this was a horrible disaster, and we're sorry, and we're going to stop selling this,' and stop trying to convince people to develop for it."

Phil Harrison: "Well first and foremost I think Gabe's company has made 2 of the best games I've ever played. So I have deep respect for his output as a developer/publisher, but perhaps not so much for his comments in the press."

"By what measure is the launch of the Playstation 3 unsuccessful? We have people lined up in three continents to buy Playstation 3's. They were there for days at a time lining up, and we sold everything we shipped into the marketplace. We continued to supply the product to the marketplace on a weekly basis and we scheduled those supplies in great detail with our retail partners to meet their operational needs--and we met them. We have supplied into the marketplace more products in Japan, Asia, and the US than we did for the launches of Playstation 1 or Playstation 2, with more software than we did for Playstation 1 or Playstation 2, two formats that have combined to sell over 225 million units and over 2 billion units of software. What's wrong with this picture?

"However, we can always sell more. We can always have more software. The European launch is on track for the 23 of March. The boat with most of the supply....is on its way from China to various European ports as we speak. Hope the Suez Canal doesn't get closed, otherwise we're all screwed. The commitment to ship a million units into Europe on Day 1 has been made, and will be achieved. So, it's a phenomenal launch by any measure. Then add on top of that what's in the box. The fact that this is all inventive technology, that this is all new stuff, and it's leading edge stuff--I think it's a fantastic achievement."

Source: GDC conference with Phil, Part 3 (watch on www.gametrailers.com)

Gabe...owned? Or did Phil fail at damage control?

Javy03

Gabe's opinion was towards the hardware side of the PS3, Phil never said anything to counter it and frankly the PS3 isnt so hot. How is anyone hard on Sony, they make it hard for themselves. Phil is doing what I would do, deny...it makes your company not look so weak.

what else would he doRAZZY_B

I saw that interview on GameTrailers and you shouldn't even ask that question. Phil ran the usual PR damage control.Felous1

You know what's real damage control? Rebutting a well-argued statement by calling it "damage control" :wink:fuzzysquash

gabe newell sucks, he did nothing but license john carmacks engine to make half life 1/2.. he sucks.

ps3 is a good console, not as good as 360, but it's still good.

I just hope Gabe's attitude toward the PS3 doesn't have an effect on the quality of the PS3 version of the Half-Life 2 Orange Box. Mordred19

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]I just hope Gabe's attitude toward the PS3 doesn't have an effect on the quality of the PS3 version of the Half-Life 2 Orange Box. Thunderjack

Old news.

Very Old news.

It was announced, like 6 months to a year ago. The PS3 and 360 are getting the same game, and funny thing, the PS3 version was announced first.

Also, Gabe has nothing to do WITH EITHER VERSION.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]Interviewer reads Newell's quote:

Gabe Newell: "The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels. I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers wanted, and what developers wanted. I say even at this late date, they should cancel it and do a do-over. Just say, 'this was a horrible disaster, and we're sorry, and we're going to stop selling this,' and stop trying to convince people to develop for it."

Phil Harrison: "Well first and foremost I think Gabe's company has made 2 of the best games I've ever played. So I have deep respect for his output as a developer/publisher, but perhaps not so much for his comments in the press."

"By what measure is the launch of the Playstation 3 unsuccessful? We have people lined up in three continents to buy Playstation 3's. They were there for days at a time lining up, and we sold everything we shipped into the marketplace. We continued to supply the product to the marketplace on a weekly basis and we scheduled those supplies in great detail with our retail partners to meet their operational needs--and we met them. We have supplied into the marketplace more products in Japan, Asia, and the US than we did for the launches of Playstation 1 or Playstation 2, with more software than we did for Playstation 1 or Playstation 2, two formats that have combined to sell over 225 million units and over 2 billion units of software. What's wrong with this picture?

"However, we can always sell more. We can always have more software. The European launch is on track for the 23 of March. The boat with most of the supply....is on its way from China to various European ports as we speak. Hope the Suez Canal doesn't get closed, otherwise we're all screwed. The commitment to ship a million units into Europe on Day 1 has been made, and will be achieved. So, it's a phenomenal launch by any measure. Then add on top of that what's in the box. The fact that this is all inventive technology, that this is all new stuff, and it's leading edge stuff--I think it's a fantastic achievement."

Source: GDC conference with Phil, Part 3 (watch on www.gametrailers.com)

Gabe...owned? Or did Phil fail at damage control?

MrGrimFandango

Gabe's opinion was towards the hardware side of the PS3, Phil never said anything to counter it and frankly the PS3 isnt so hot. How is anyone hard on Sony, they make it hard for themselves. Phil is doing what I would do, deny...it makes your company not look so weak.

[QUOTE="Felous1"]I saw that interview on GameTrailers and you shouldn't even ask that question. Phil ran the usual PR damage control.fuzzysquash

Yea, Phil didnt resort to insults like Gabe did.Javy03

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]You know what's real damage control? Rebutting a well-argued statement by calling it "damage control" :wink:Felous1

No, I call the entire 3 paragraphs of comments I typed out a well-argued statement. You're gonna cherry-pick a statement and pretend like that's all he said? :roll:fuzzysquash

[QUOTE="Javy03"]Yea, Phil didnt resort to insults like Gabe did.Felous1

Gabe was just being honest...Sony isn't:lol:Acenso

Huh?

Wha?

Yeah, Gabe is Honestly right, really. The PS3 just is a total disaster, it really is. Yeah, no sarcasm from Gabe. Uh huh.

Obvious attempt at damage control. Newall was refering to the horrible design of the PS3's hardware. Harrison isn't even addressing the subject, and instead starts his marketing fluff.

What other indicator of success is there in economics other than healthy sales? If a product sells well, how are you going to twist it around and say it was a failure?fuzzysquash

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]What other indicator of success is there in economics other than healthy sales? If a product sells well, how are you going to twist it around and say it was a failure?Felous1

Gabe Newell, though a fantastic developer, tends to complain a lot.  At E3-06, Newell slammed both the 360 and PS3 because it didn't make his life any easier.  Then, he slams MS for even making the 360 (in that same article the TC cited) when he believed more time should have gone into the PC gaming element of Windows Vista.  Further still, he praises the Wii for what it is and very much likes what Nintendo has done.  But, regardless of what Gabe Newell says, his company, Valve, is making games for the PS3, Xbox 360, and PC - not the Wii (at the moment).  I guess for Newell, hate=love, and love=hate.Basinboy

Well said.

I didn't want to type so much, but I do want to add, GABE HATED THE PS2. Hated it, so what he hates is not an indication AT ALL of what actually has the best games or the best sales...

[QUOTE="Thunderjack"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]I just hope Gabe's attitude toward the PS3 doesn't have an effect on the quality of the PS3 version of the Half-Life 2 Orange Box. SolidTy

Old news.

Very Old news.

It was announced, like 6 months to a year ago. The PS3 and 360 are getting the same game, and funny thing, the PS3 version was announced first.

Also, Gabe has nothing to do WITH EITHER VERSION.

He has nothing to do with it? Are you sure? Is that good or bad?

You certianly can't count on much if any Support for the PS3 from Valve. They weren't even willing to Port Half Life 2 Episode 2 to the PS3. The most Valve was willing to do was hand the port over to EA and say "You do it" :lol:

And Gabe's comments were based more towards the PS3's hardware, it's backwards architecture ad difficulty to code for.

And all Phil could do was Damage control Sony's "Worldwide" launch :lol:
UpSwing

u do know that ea is only the publisher right?...wow ur stupidity is showing

Gabe Newell, though a fantastic developer, tends to complain a lot. At E3-06, Newell slammed both the 360 and PS3 because it didn't make his life any easier. Then, he slams MS for even making the 360 (in that same article the TC cited) when he believed more time should have gone into the PC gaming element of Windows Vista. Further still, he praises the Wii for what it is and very much likes what Nintendo has done. But, regardless of what Gabe Newell says, his company, Valve, is making games for the PS3, Xbox 360, and PC - not the Wii (at the moment). I guess for Newell, hate=love, and love=hate.Basinboy

[QUOTE="Heith"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Well, Gabe was very unprofessional saying something like that, but to each their own.

That being said, it is interesting Sony even bothered with his words, he's just a PC developer, what would have been shocking is seeing SQUARE, Capcom, Konami, etc. say something like that.

Still, I don't think the Damage Control was that great either, but then again, Gabe's statement was very general, so who knows.

Gabe is a big Nintendo fan, and obviously wasn't a fan of the PS2 either.

SolidTy

Capcom always does that. Does 2 games really mean that though. NO.

They did the same for Dreamcast, actually they did better for the Dreamcast. So, being a fan of history, Capcom's 2 games do not equate to that. It may look like that NOW, from today's perpective, but Capcom eagerly supports new hardware.

Look at the original XBOX even...c'mon.

True, but Dead rising still is fun. I stil lhave it. I may trade it in for Lost Planet though.

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]Interviewer reads Newell's quote:

Gabe Newell: "The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels. I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers wanted, and what developers wanted. I say even at this late date, they should cancel it and do a do-over. Just say, 'this was a horrible disaster, and we're sorry, and we're going to stop selling this,' and stop trying to convince people to develop for it."

Phil Harrison: "Well first and foremost I think Gabe's company has made 2 of the best games I've ever played. So I have deep respect for his output as a developer/publisher, but perhaps not so much for his comments in the press."

"By what measure is the launch of the Playstation 3 unsuccessful? We have people lined up in three continents to buy Playstation 3's. They were there for days at a time lining up, and we sold everything we shipped into the marketplace. We continued to supply the product to the marketplace on a weekly basis and we scheduled those supplies in great detail with our retail partners to meet their operational needs--and we met them. We have supplied into the marketplace more products in Japan, Asia, and the US than we did for the launches of Playstation 1 or Playstation 2, with more software than we did for Playstation 1 or Playstation 2, two formats that have combined to sell over 225 million units and over 2 billion units of software. What's wrong with this picture?

"However, we can always sell more. We can always have more software. The European launch is on track for the 23 of March. The boat with most of the supply....is on its way from China to various European ports as we speak. Hope the Suez Canal doesn't get closed, otherwise we're all screwed. The commitment to ship a million units into Europe on Day 1 has been made, and will be achieved. So, it's a phenomenal launch by any measure. Then add on top of that what's in the box. The fact that this is all inventive technology, that this is all new stuff, and it's leading edge stuff--I think it's a fantastic achievement."

Source: GDC conference with Phil, Part 3 (watch on www.gametrailers.com)

Gabe...owned? Or did Phil fail at damage control?

Blue-Sky

Damage control. Gabe Newell's comment was more from the hardware, technical aspects of the PS3 and the difficulty of developing games for that platform. Phill Harrison's comment is more like " FU people are buying our crap, so you opinion doesn't matter"

[QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]What other indicator of success is there in economics other than healthy sales? If a product sells well, how are you going to twist it around and say it was a failure?fuzzysquash