Sony refuses to use the Banhammer

http://kotaku.com/5418607/javelin-cheats-sony-dont-give-a-hoot

While Microsoft will take swift, stern action against anyone caught using the javelin "exploit" in Modern Warfare 2, Sony apparently couldn't care less. A Sony rep has told CVG "I don't believe we are banning people for using the glitch". If they're not banning people outright, makes you wonder what they are doing. Simply watching? Placing marks next to people's names? Tutting endlessly? Sony NOT banning for MW2 Javelin glitch [CVG]

So what do you guys think? Is Sony or IW responsible to regulate MW2?

that glitch is IWs fault so why should sony ban people? also MS has standards and a superior service and they care about the gamers who want to play the game for fun without any cheap ass glitcher ruining it and thats the reason MS took action so why would sony care when PSN is mediocre free service.

The glitch is Iw's fault so why would sony just go and ban people? i never knew about the glitches till yesterday and i think its not right to use them

Yeah because of the articles from the gaming press, you'd think more people would be doing it, now that's it's being brought to their attention. Has anyone noticed the increase? I wish I could check but I'm in the process of moving and don't have a current connection

Not their job to do so.

Sony has provided great online service for games like UC2, KZ 2, Warhawk, etc. It is really hard to exploit cheap tactics in those games. Especially SOCOM Confrontion, Sony took the liberty of fixing the game's early problems because its their own IP.

Besides Sony is not gonna prevent a patch that IW should come up with to prevent javelin exploiters.

Another example is Fight Night 4, last night EA patched the online so there is no more people exploiting something in the game to win matches.

Also MW 2 is not the only game with cheaters on 360, so why does MS not ban people who cheat in other games?

I've run into many javelin glitchers with my team of people and we own them every time. So much so that they end up just switching classes.

Anyways, this gltch isn't nearly as bad as the infinite air drops or the glitch to get in a rock on Afgan, THESE are game breaking glitches. The javelin exploi is just funny.

Not their job to do so.

Sony has provided great online service for games like UC2, KZ 2, Warhawk, etc. It is really hard to exploit cheap tactics in those games. Especially SOCOM Confrontion, Sony took the liberty of fixing the game's early problems because its their own IP.

Besides Sony is not gonna prevent a patch that IW should come up with to prevent javelin exploiters.

Another example is Fight Night 4, last night EA patched the online so there is no more people exploiting something in the game to win matches.

Also MW 2 is not the only game with cheaters on 360, so why does MS not ban people who cheat in other games?

Ninten007

MS probably is targetting this game because it's the most popular and does not want to lose activity on mw2.

There's a huge difference between banning and a suspension. A ban for this goes way too far, but a suspension is fine for cheaters.

I've run into many javelin glitchers with my team of people and we own them every time. So much so that they end up just switching classes.

Anyways, this gltch isn't nearly as bad as the infinite air drops or the glitch to get in a rock on Afgan, THESE are game breaking glitches. The javelin exploi is just funny.

xX-Incubus-Xx

Can't you just shoot them from a safe distance?

lol @ Banning because of a glitch A glitch is a developer's problem, it's in the game. Why the **** would someone get banned for doing something that's IN THE GAME? Besides, the javelin glitch isn't even helpful or anything. You have to GET KILLED to GET KILLS. So what's the point? The guys I see doing the javelin glitch usually end up with more deaths than kills. So that just proves how stupid it is. I'd rather not use the glitch and get 30 or more kills and 10 or less deaths like I usually do than than run around trying to get close to people for them to kill me and risk getting 18 kills and 25 deaths or something like that. Also... whenever I see someone trying to do it to me, I just run away with my lightweight and marathon until they're far enough so the explosion wont kill me then I just shoot them. Who cares about the glitch. It's stupid and people shouldn't get banned for it. If anyone should be penalized, it's IW for not fixing it. Why should anyone EVER get penalized for something that's part of the game? I don't remember reading any rules that said you can't do it or you'll get banned. Messiahbolical-

Its funny that MS make you pay for online and then ban you if you use a glitch that happened because of the game developers while sony give you everything for free and dosent. thats why i dont believe anyone who says paying online is better ;)

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]lol @ Banning because of a glitch A glitch is a developer's problem, it's in the game. Why the **** would someone get banned for doing something that's IN THE GAME? Besides, the javelin glitch isn't even helpful or anything. You have to GET KILLED to GET KILLS. So what's the point? The guys I see doing the javelin glitch usually end up with more deaths than kills. So that just proves how stupid it is. I'd rather not use the glitch and get 30 or more kills and 10 or less deaths like I usually do than than run around trying to get close to people for them to kill me and risk getting 18 kills and 25 deaths or something like that. Also... whenever I see someone trying to do it to me, I just run away with my lightweight and marathon until they're far enough so the explosion wont kill me then I just shoot them. Who cares about the glitch. It's stupid and people shouldn't get banned for it. If anyone should be penalized, it's IW for not fixing it. Why should anyone EVER get penalized for something that's part of the game? I don't remember reading any rules that said you can't do it or you'll get banned. finalstar2007

Its funny that MS make you pay for online and then ban you if you use a glitch that happened because of the game developers while sony give you everything for free and dosent. thats why i dont believe anyone who says paying online is better ;)

IW should fix it.IronBass

They cannot really ban you to well, since you can just create a new free PSN account. That is one benefit to the XBL fee. One of the only benefits.SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]They cannot really ban you to well, since you can just create a new free PSN account. That is one benefit to the XBL fee. One of the only benefits.Messiahbolical-

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]They cannot really ban you to well, since you can just create a new free PSN account. That is one benefit to the XBL fee. One of the only benefits.Messiahbolical-

You honestly believe what you just wrote?

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]lol @ Banning because of a glitch A glitch is a developer's problem, it's in the game. Why the **** would someone get banned for doing something that's IN THE GAME? Besides, the javelin glitch isn't even helpful or anything. You have to GET KILLED to GET KILLS. So what's the point? The guys I see doing the javelin glitch usually end up with more deaths than kills. So that just proves how stupid it is. I'd rather not use the glitch and get 30 or more kills and 10 or less deaths like I usually do than than run around trying to get close to people for them to kill me and risk getting 18 kills and 25 deaths or something like that. Also... whenever I see someone trying to do it to me, I just run away with my lightweight and marathon until they're far enough so the explosion wont kill me then I just shoot them. Who cares about the glitch. It's stupid and people shouldn't get banned for it. If anyone should be penalized, it's IW for not fixing it. Why should anyone EVER get penalized for something that's part of the game? I don't remember reading any rules that said you can't do it or you'll get banned. SpruceCaboose

Its funny that MS make you pay for online and then ban you if you use a glitch that happened because of the game developers while sony give you everything for free and dosent. thats why i dont believe anyone who says paying online is better ;)

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]They cannot really ban you to well, since you can just create a new free PSN account. That is one benefit to the XBL fee. One of the only benefits.Messiahbolical-

I prefer not playing with cheaters. SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]They cannot really ban you to well, since you can just create a new free PSN account. That is one benefit to the XBL fee. One of the only benefits.spinecaton

You honestly believe what you just wrote?

I think this speaks to a bigger issue.With PSN being free and all, do they have the resources to monitor such actions? Be it the devs fault or not, are there moderators randomly joining games and monitoring such behavior. It is highly unlikely and if there are, how limited in numbers would they be?

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]lol @ Banning because of a glitch A glitch is a developer's problem, it's in the game. Why the **** would someone get banned for doing something that's IN THE GAME? Besides, the javelin glitch isn't even helpful or anything. You have to GET KILLED to GET KILLS. So what's the point? The guys I see doing the javelin glitch usually end up with more deaths than kills. So that just proves how stupid it is. I'd rather not use the glitch and get 30 or more kills and 10 or less deaths like I usually do than than run around trying to get close to people for them to kill me and risk getting 18 kills and 25 deaths or something like that. Also... whenever I see someone trying to do it to me, I just run away with my lightweight and marathon until they're far enough so the explosion wont kill me then I just shoot them. Who cares about the glitch. It's stupid and people shouldn't get banned for it. If anyone should be penalized, it's IW for not fixing it. Why should anyone EVER get penalized for something that's part of the game? I don't remember reading any rules that said you can't do it or you'll get banned. finalstar2007

Its funny that MS make you pay for online and then ban you if you use a glitch that happened because of the game developers while sony give you everything for free and dosent. thats why i dont believe anyone who says paying online is better ;)

I agree with your statement but if it's a violation ofthe terms of use for Live, then MS has that right. It's probably a violation of the terms of use for Sony, it's just that they have decided not to ban.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I prefer not playing with cheaters. reiv

It takes practically no effort and generates an extra $50 almost every time.Messiahbolical-

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"] You know what, this is pretty ironic. I'm starting to think that the real reason M$ is so ban happy compared to Sony is because all those people payed for XBL accounts already and M$ already has their money, when they get banned they don't get a refund on that account. So when M$ bans all of these people, all these people need to spend money AGAIN on a new account to make that account gold. It's just extra money in M$ pocket no matter what. I thought it was kind of strange that Microsoft seemed like they were going out of their way, trying to find all these reasons to ban people. Now it's clear. It's simply an extremely easy way for them to earn extra money. Earning extra cash by basically doing nothing. It's genius TBH.Messiahbolical-

You honestly believe what you just wrote?

Correct me if i'm wrong but weren't they temporary bans? Has anyone been perma banned?

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]Do you honestly think it's any stretch of the truth? Do you really believe that Microsoft doesn't like banning people? Why do you think they have so many admins and have so many ways to complain about people cheating or annoying you? Do you really believe it's because they give a crap about you? lol Banning people is probably the easiest money Microsoft ever makes. It takes practically no effort and generates an extra $50 almost every time.SpruceCaboose

There is no way to keep cheaters offline. Even if IW patches the game to get rid of Javelin suicides, there will be another bunch of people who will find something else to ruin the game with.

Besides they are not really cheating, they are just exploiting the glitch that IW/Activision is responsible for.

MS should leave this alone like Sony does and let the devs handle this.

I can bet you there are cheating in every online 360 game especially the sports genre, so why isnt MS banning those people?

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Its funny that MS make you pay for online and then ban you if you use a glitch that happened because of the game developers while sony give you everything for free and dosent. thats why i dont believe anyone who says paying online is better ;)

Messiahbolical-

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"] It takes practically no effort and generates an extra $50 almost every time.IronBass

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]Do you honestly think it's any stretch of the truth? Do you really believe that Microsoft doesn't like banning people? Why do you think they have so many admins and have so many ways to complain about people cheating or annoying you? Do you really believe it's because they give a crap about you? lol Banning people is probably the easiest money Microsoft ever makes. It takes practically no effort and generates an extra $50 almost every time.Ninten007

There is no way to keep cheaters offline. Even if IW patches the game to get rid of Javelin suicides, there will be another bunch of people who will find something else to ruin the game with.

Besides they are not really cheating, they are just exploiting the glitch that IW/Activision is responsible for.

MS should leave this alone like Sony does and let the devs handle this.

I can bet you there are cheating in every online 360 game especially the sports genre, so why isnt MS banning those people?

They both share some responsibility.

IW for fixing the glitch.

Sony for acknowledging that cheating is bad and tarnishes the online experience. As a consumer, I read the article and am soured by the mere possibility of it going on. To think that Sony has no interest in punitive measures against people that abuse the system.... it just leaves a bad impression on me.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"] It takes practically no effort and generates an extra $50 almost every time.Messiahbolical-

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]They cannot really ban you to well, since you can just create a new free PSN account. That is one benefit to the XBL fee. One of the only benefits.Messiahbolical-

Suspensions are temporary; you do not lose your account, and it tells you when your suspension will be lifted. All you have to do is wait it out (and avoid repeating the offending activity.)

Only in very extreme cases will Microsoft completely disable your account (such as repeated, egregious ToS or CoCviolations.) They don't even disable your account for console modding (but they will ban your console from Xbox Live.) People invest a lot of money in their Xbox Live accounts, and Microsoft is not interested in taking that away without a very good reason.

Can you prove it?Messiahbolical-

Yes.

"While IW works on getting the MW2 glitch fixed, people we catch using it will receive suspensions from LIVE. Play fair everyone."(...) "Using a glitch in a game to get an advantage is explicitly called out in the ToU. It's not like people are doing it by accident."

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even though a lot of them weren't even modded.Messiahbolical-

Can you prove it?

I think a 24 hour ban is fair. It sends the message that yuou should not be doing that. The glitch is so annoying and now it is in almost every game, if sony does not do something I suspect many complaints piling up where they may have to cuz who knows how long this will take to patch

So they should patch it. :| Messiahbolical-

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"] You know what, this is pretty ironic. I'm starting to think that the real reason M$ is so ban happy compared to Sony is because all those people payed for XBL accounts already and M$ already has their money, when they get banned they don't get a refund on that account. So when M$ bans all of these people, all these people need to spend money AGAIN on a new account to make that account gold. It's just extra money in M$ pocket no matter what. I thought it was kind of strange that Microsoft seemed like they were going out of their way, trying to find all these reasons to ban people. Now it's clear. It's simply an extremely easy way for them to earn extra money. Earning extra cash by basically doing nothing. It's genius TBH.Messiahbolical-

You honestly believe what you just wrote?

Yes I do think it is a stretch of the truth, because if you have played any paid subscription games you would know that exploiting glitches can lead to suspensions or bans. FFXI had a duplicate drop glitch, it wasn't cheating it was a glitch, and they suspended/banned people who exploited the glitch. I honestly think they are just trying to do their job since they have a report button.

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]They cannot really ban you to well, since you can just create a new free PSN account. That is one benefit to the XBL fee. One of the only benefits.UnnDunn

Suspensions are temporary; you do not lose your account, and it tells you when your suspension will be lifted. All you have to do is wait it out (and avoid repeating the offending activity.)

Only in very extreme cases will Microsoft completely disable your account (such as repeated, egregious ToS or CoCviolations.) They don't even disable your account for console modding (but they will ban your console from Xbox Live.) People invest a lot of money in their Xbox Live accounts, and Microsoft is not interested in taking that away without a very good reason.

Wow, you really are ignorant. You're right, glitches exist. But you ignore the simple fact that THEY CAN PATCH THE GAME. IW obviously must know about the glitch. So they should patch it. :| It's like you don't want to acknowledge the fact that Microsoft should be putting more effort into making IW patch the game instead of just banning people. I don't know why you're trying so hard to act like patches don't exist or to justify banning people who technically aren't cheating. There's obviously no reasoning with you. Enjoy living in your world where there's no such thing as game patches and where developers can never take the blame for something that they caused. Bye.Messiahbolical-

http://kotaku.com/5418607/javelin-cheats-sony-dont-give-a-hoot

While Microsoft will take swift, stern action against anyone caught using the javelin "exploit" in Modern Warfare 2, Sony apparently couldn't care less. A Sony rep has told CVG "I don't believe we are banning people for using the glitch". If they're not banning people outright, makes you wonder what they are doing. Simply watching? Placing marks next to people's names? Tutting endlessly? Sony NOT banning for MW2 Javelin glitch

So what do you guys think? Is Sony or IW responsible to regulate MW2?

akira2465

Infinity Ward SHOULD have Public Beta Tested it.

IW is responsible to regulate their game, not Sony. It's nice that Xbox wanted to get involved, but ultimately, it wasn't required. This is all on IW and ACTIVISION. EPIC's GeoW has a LOT of exploits, and those don't get fixed, so I don't see why this exploit should be treated differently.

If it's in the game, although it sucks, it's the Devs fault.

Anyways, IW is working on a patch due this week or next, so this is all pointless to talk about anyways...as it will be ancient history.

And THIS IS WHY PUBLIC BETA Testing is good folks.