Sony refuses to use the Banhammer

Glad sony isn't banning ppl. Its IW who needs to fix the glitch. Glad sony isn't playing police on a very minor issue, unlike MS who makes a small issue into so,ething huge.spike6566

Glad sony isn't banning ppl. Its IW who needs to fix the glitch. Glad sony isn't playing police on a very minor issue, unlike MS who makes a small issue into so,ething huge.spike6566

Glad sony isn't banning ppl. Its IW who needs to fix the glitch. Glad sony isn't playing police on a very minor issue, unlike MS who makes a small issue into so,ething huge.spike6566

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Microsoft is actually providing a service.

Sony isn't.

[QUOTE="spike6566"]Glad sony isn't banning ppl. Its IW who needs to fix the glitch. Glad sony isn't playing police on a very minor issue, unlike MS who makes a small issue into so,ething huge.killerfist

MS is giving out 1 day up to 3 day suspensions for cheating and you can get the same suspension on any game if enough people file a complaint against you for tampering.

and much like the ps2 generation sony is lagged in their capabilities to ban people for cheating and any other activity.

I've had people banned last gen on the xbox for halo 2 cheats, and unreal championship glitching, harrasment and the like, but the same cannot be said of the ps2 where on socom 2 i reported one action replay cheater only to see him days later and months later still playing and using his action replay to cheat.

Cant they just fix it already?

[QUOTE="spike6566"]Glad sony isn't banning ppl. Its IW who needs to fix the glitch. Glad sony isn't playing police on a very minor issue, unlike MS who makes a small issue into so,ething huge.VoodooHak

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Microsoft is actually providing a service.

Sony isn't.

[QUOTE="spike6566"]Glad sony isn't banning ppl. Its IW who needs to fix the glitch. Glad sony isn't playing police on a very minor issue, unlike MS who makes a small issue into so,ething huge.VoodooHak

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Microsoft is actually providing a service.

Sony isn't.

MS is giving out 1 day up to 3 day suspensions for cheating and you can get the same suspension on any game if enough people file a complaint against you for tampering.

xxyetixx

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="spike6566"]Glad sony isn't banning ppl. Its IW who needs to fix the glitch. Glad sony isn't playing police on a very minor issue, unlike MS who makes a small issue into so,ething huge.Zero_epyon

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="spike6566"]Glad sony isn't banning ppl. Its IW who needs to fix the glitch. Glad sony isn't playing police on a very minor issue, unlike MS who makes a small issue into so,ething huge.Zero_epyon

Yes they should be doing something IW is fixing the problem and MS is suspending cheaters which they should. Using a known exploit to gain an advantage is cheating and people shouldn't have to just put up with it while the patch is being made.

[QUOTE="xxyetixx"]

MS is giving out 1 day up to 3 day suspensions for cheating and you can get the same suspension on any game if enough people file a complaint against you for tampering.

Zero_epyon

Glitching is against the TOU of XBL.

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="spike6566"]Glad sony isn't banning ppl. Its IW who needs to fix the glitch. Glad sony isn't playing police on a very minor issue, unlike MS who makes a small issue into so,ething huge.Zero_epyon

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] You're exaggerating I Javelin is no bigger than the bomb the explodes in search and destroy. I've seen martyrdom take out a room full of 4 people once. guy ran in there and no one saw the grenade.Zero_epyon

[QUOTE="spike6566"]Glad sony isn't banning ppl. Its IW who needs to fix the glitch. Glad sony isn't playing police on a very minor issue, unlike MS who makes a small issue into so,ething huge.VoodooHak

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Microsoft is actually providing a service.

Sony isn't.

[QUOTE="xxyetixx"]

MS is giving out 1 day up to 3 day suspensions for cheating and you can get the same suspension on any game if enough people file a complaint against you for tampering.

Zero_epyon

Cheating is covered under tampering.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="spike6566"]Glad sony isn't banning ppl. Its IW who needs to fix the glitch. Glad sony isn't playing police on a very minor issue, unlike MS who makes a small issue into so,ething huge.spike6566

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Microsoft is actually providing a service.

Sony isn't.

You do realise the way the glitch works is by you killing the person right? You kill them and they let go a huge blast and own you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0-nYVHyQWc

Take a gander at it.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Also, you seem to not give enough credit to grenades. Do you play the hardcore games?Zero_epyon

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="killerfist"] MS is not "banning" people. Last I heard is that people are only suspended for a day. xxyetixx

Yes they should be doing something IW is fixing the problem and MS is suspending cheaters which they should. Using a known exploit to gain an advantage is cheating and people shouldn't have to just put up with it while the patch is being made.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]The Javelin has a much larger blast radius than martyrdom. Why you are downplaying it is confounding.

Verge_6

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="spike6566"]Glad sony isn't banning ppl. Its IW who needs to fix the glitch. Glad sony isn't playing police on a very minor issue, unlike MS who makes a small issue into so,ething huge.Zero_epyon

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Microsoft is actually providing a service.

Sony isn't.

Not at all.

They're sending a clear message that exploitation of a bug is cheating. Cheating is a no-no on their service. Until IW releases a fix, MS will do their part to make sure the impact of the bug isn't as bad as it could be.

I wish Microsoft had done similar suspensions back when blocking elevators and manholes was all the rage in L4D :(

[QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

It's not sony's responsibility to own up to dev mistakes and it certaintly is not their responsibility to put out additional resourses to facilitate bans just because of a bug in one game.

VoodooHak

So this is another differentiator between PSN and XBL.

MS takes the responsibility on themselves to punish those that exploit a known bug. That's what you do when the focus on is on community.

If anything, Sony's sending a cryptic message. Are they saying we can cheat all we want without any repurcussions? It'd be nice to see them take a definite stance before the confusion grows and people start making assumptions on their behalf.

IW should fix it.IronBass

[QUOTE="spike6566"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

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Microsoft is actually providing a service.

Sony isn't.

Espada12

You do realise the way the glitch works is by you killing the person right? You kill them and they let go a huge blast and own you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0-nYVHyQWc

Take a gander at it.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="spike6566"]Glad sony isn't banning ppl. Its IW who needs to fix the glitch. Glad sony isn't playing police on a very minor issue, unlike MS who makes a small issue into so,ething huge.def_mode

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Microsoft is actually providing a service.

Sony isn't.

That's part of it. Other parts include game launching within a party no matter what any party-member is doing, universal cross-game invites, well-publicized community-focused events like Game With Fame, Community Playdates with fansites and devs, Xbox Live Ambassadors, and community managers that openly interact with the users. Looping this back to the original discussion, Stephen Toulouse, director of policy, has keynoted at events like PAX, replies to your tweets and will be on Major Nelson's podcast to discuss how exploiting a glitch crosses the line into cheating. He made a statement soon after the issue came to light. What'd we get from Sony? An anonymous rep's one-liner.

That's the type of service I'm talking about.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="Irick_cb"]

It's not sony's responsibility to own up to dev mistakes and it certaintly is not their responsibility to put out additional resourses to facilitate bans just because of a bug in one game.

i_am_interested

So this is another differentiator between PSN and XBL.

MS takes the responsibility on themselves to punish those that exploit a known bug. That's what you do when the focus on is on community.

If anything, Sony's sending a cryptic message. Are they saying we can cheat all we want without any repurcussions? It'd be nice to see them take a definite stance before the confusion grows and people start making assumptions on their behalf.

Yup. Your guess is as valid as mine. The point is, Sony wasn't clear about it other than they're not doing anything.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="spike6566"] And what service do u speak of. If a person can't shoot down some running towards him, he deserves to die. spike6566

You do realise the way the glitch works is by you killing the person right? You kill them and they let go a huge blast and own you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0-nYVHyQWc

Take a gander at it.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="spike6566"] And what service do u speak of. If a person can't shoot down some running towards him, he deserves to die. spike6566

You do realise the way the glitch works is by you killing the person right? You kill them and they let go a huge blast and own you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0-nYVHyQWc

Take a gander at it.

[QUOTE="spike6566"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

You do realise the way the glitch works is by you killing the person right? You kill them and they let go a huge blast and own you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0-nYVHyQWc

Take a gander at it.

Verge_6

Up to devs to patch the game.

I don't know about fast paced.Zero_epyon

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]lol @ Banning because of a glitch A glitch is a developer's problem, it's in the game. Why the **** would someone get banned for doing something that's IN THE GAME? Besides, the javelin glitch isn't even helpful or anything. You have to GET KILLED to GET KILLS. So what's the point? The guys I see doing the javelin glitch usually end up with more deaths than kills. So that just proves how stupid it is. I'd rather not use the glitch and get 30 or more kills and 10 or less deaths like I usually do than than run around trying to get close to people for them to kill me and risk getting 18 kills and 25 deaths or something like that. Also... whenever I see someone trying to do it to me, I just run away with my lightweight and marathon until they're far enough so the explosion wont kill me then I just shoot them. Who cares about the glitch. It's stupid and people shouldn't get banned for it. If anyone should be penalized, it's IW for not fixing it. Why should anyone EVER get penalized for something that's part of the game? I don't remember reading any rules that said you can't do it or you'll get banned. finalstar2007

Its funny that MS make you pay for online and then ban you if you use a glitch that happened because of the game developers while sony give you everything for free and dosent. thats why i dont believe anyone who says paying online is better ;)

its the dev's call to fix it, they made they game they need to fix it if its broken.

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

So this is another differentiator between PSN and XBL.

MS takes the responsibility on themselves to punish those that exploit a known bug. That's what you do when the focus on is on community.

If anything, Sony's sending a cryptic message. Are they saying we can cheat all we want without any repurcussions? It'd be nice to see them take a definite stance before the confusion grows and people start making assumptions on their behalf.

VoodooHak

Yup. Your guess is as valid as mine. The point is, Sony wasn't clear about it other than they're not doing anything.

why should they honestly, if IW doesnt want the player to be in control of the game they are playing like having moderators or the ability to kick players then i say its not the fault of MS or sony they simply give IW the platform to make a game, that is all

I still don't see ur issue. I play domation, have tons of long distance shot emblems.

[QUOTE="spike6566"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

You do realise the way the glitch works is by you killing the person right? You kill them and they let go a huge blast and own you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0-nYVHyQWc

Take a gander at it.

Verge_6

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]lol @ Banning because of a glitch A glitch is a developer's problem, it's in the game. Why the **** would someone get banned for doing something that's IN THE GAME? Besides, the javelin glitch isn't even helpful or anything. You have to GET KILLED to GET KILLS. So what's the point? The guys I see doing the javelin glitch usually end up with more deaths than kills. So that just proves how stupid it is. I'd rather not use the glitch and get 30 or more kills and 10 or less deaths like I usually do than than run around trying to get close to people for them to kill me and risk getting 18 kills and 25 deaths or something like that. Also... whenever I see someone trying to do it to me, I just run away with my lightweight and marathon until they're far enough so the explosion wont kill me then I just shoot them. Who cares about the glitch. It's stupid and people shouldn't get banned for it. If anyone should be penalized, it's IW for not fixing it. Why should anyone EVER get penalized for something that's part of the game? I don't remember reading any rules that said you can't do it or you'll get banned. CanYouDiglt

Its funny that MS make you pay for online and then ban you if you use a glitch that happened because of the game developers while sony give you everything for free and dosent. thats why i dont believe anyone who says paying online is better ;)

so why havent there been more cheaters in more games.... the only other PSN online game i know that has cheaters is SOCOM and thats about it, besides its not about paid version free, its just like an IP disconnecting your internet service just because you stole someone elses movies, or music or w/e the case, it isnt up to the network provider, they are only there to give you a means to use the internet, its up to the people who make the actual product that should enforce any rules against them

I still don't see ur issue. spike6566

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]They cannot really ban you to well, since you can just create a new free PSN account. That is one benefit to the XBL fee. One of the only benefits.Espada12

I'd assume sony would ban from IP.

I am glad Sony has their heads on straight (at least regarding this). It is IW's fault the glitch is in the game in the first place, it is their responsibility to fix the problem and rectify the issue with the community. This would be like Xfire banning someone for using a glitch in a game they played on through Xfire.

I wish Microsoft had done similar suspensions back when blocking elevators and manholes was all the rage in L4D :(

Kickinurass

I am glad Sony has their heads on straight (at least regarding this). It is IW's fault the glitch is in the game in the first place, it is their responsibility to fix the problem and rectify the issue with the community. This would be like Xfire banning someone for using a glitch in a game they played on through Xfire.

foxhound_fox

why should they honestly, if IW doesnt want the player to be in control of the game they are playing like having moderators or the ability to kick players then i say its not the fault of MS or sony they simply give IW the platform to make a game, that is all

hyperboy152000

Let's define culpability here. Yes, the fault lies entirely with IW.

However, the players are a part of the XBL and PSN communities as much as they are part of the MW2 community. Microsoft doesn't separate behavior in one game and the service as a whole. You do bad in Modern Warfare 2, then you're doing bad on Xbox Live. MS chooses to take partial ownership of the situation.

I think we all agree who's to blame here. So to me, it's not about blame anymore. It's about service. MS doesn't have to do anything. But they are.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] I don't know about fast paced.Verge_6

I don't get why anyone would deny themselves any fun by abusing the glitch just to boost their stats or what not.

The glitch is Iw's fault so why would sony just go and ban people? i never knew about the glitches till yesterday and i think its not right to use them

finalstar2007