Sony says global sales of PS3 to top 11 million

Worldwide sales of Sony's PS3 are expected to reach 11 million by the end of this fiscal year, Sony Computer Entertainment's chief executive Kazuo Hirai told the Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper in an interview published Saturday.

The PS3 "is starting afresh as a console to play games with. Although pricing strategy is important, now we would like to put our strength in the number of software games," Hirai said.

Hirai told the Yomiuri he would like to see Sony's game division "escape as soon as possible from the red and return to the black in fiscal year 2008."

Note: Sony's fiscal year ends on March 31.

http://n4g.com/industrynews/News-93118.aspx

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

The PS3 "is starting afresh as a console to play games with. Although pricing strategy is important, now we would like to put our strength in the number of software games," Hirai said.

Damrightfresh

They arent selling 4-5 million more consoles in the next 4 months.

Sorry, I dont see that happening.

Its not impossible.

just ery unlikely.

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

AdobeArtist

Well were right with 2 of them, there was an article a while back about how a man saved money by hooking up ps3's to creat one f the world biggest supercomputer. Also if you don't know what 4d is then you must be still at school but you will learn it soon or later there

They arent selling 4-5 million more consoles in the next 4 months.

Sorry, I dont see that happening.

whocares4peace

Indeed.

That is a Nintendo Wii-caliber pace.

The PS3 will never sell like the Wii. They may sell 11 million to retailers, but there won't be anywhere near 11 million in homes at the end of their fiscal year.

it took the 360 untill june to reach that much. but if they get mgs4 out before that, then it seems possibleSilenthps

And the 360 had sold 11.6 million consoles by June.

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

AdobeArtist

next gen bashing sure started when the ps3 was released

teh cell FTW

apparently 4D graphics have been prooven

Its not impossible.

just ery unlikely.

JPOBS

No, it's impossible. For it to be possible, consumers will have to take a Wii attitude towards the PS3. They will not. Wrong pricepoint for that.

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

AdobeArtist

All of which is true.

Sony was the top seller for the prior two gens. Making console sales numbers on the PS32 that had never been seen before. Its like (and sorry for the american football analogy) having an NFL season without the Patriots. Everyone would question the victor because they never had to handle the "big guy" on the block.

PS3 IS a super computer. Read a little about folding at home and other ways the cell is being used. It has a ton of power. Just like ALL new technologies, it takes time for all to figure out what and how best it can be used.

4D graphics are possible. Your probably viewing it like most lemmings who don't pay attention. Its isn't a step up from wearing green and red lenses and seeing images pop-out at you. Its about the environments. Imagine playing GTA and its winter. Snow falls, snow melts, ice is created, water runs, etc. It a way to bring a whole new level of realism to gaming.

Don't get it twisted.

Its possible that it can happen next year because in Japan and Europe the PS3 is doing just great and in the U.S they doing just fine because they are doing way better then before. The 360 is only leading by 6 million it isnt that big of a gap the PS3 can easily catch up..There a lot of big hitter games coming out just for the PS3 . I cant wait for HOME and rumble to make its debut next year Dont forget the PS3 will support full divx soon.Damrightfresh

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]it took the 360 untill june to reach that much. but if they get mgs4 out before that, then it seems possiblewhocares4peace

And the 360 had sold 11.6 million consoles by June.

The PS3 is pushing 200k per a week in Europe. In NA it sold 460k in Nov and i expect big sales this Dec. In japan they also doing great. The ps3 can make it to 11 million by march or april. LittleBigPlanet ,killzone 2, mgs4, white knight story coming out around that time..

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]it took the 360 untill june to reach that much. but if they get mgs4 out before that, then it seems possibleDamrightfresh

And the 360 had sold 11.6 million consoles by June.

The PS3 is pushing 200k per a week in Europe. In NA it sold 460k in Nov and i expect big sales this Dec. In japan they also doing great. The ps3 can make it to 11 million by march or april. LittleBigPlanet ,killzone 2, mgs4, white knight story coming out around that time..

Console sales stagnate after holiday seasons. Or didn't you get that memo? November and December will always see sales spikes for all retail products. January and February are returns to normalcy.

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]it took the 360 untill june to reach that much. but if they get mgs4 out before that, then it seems possibleDamrightfresh

And the 360 had sold 11.6 million consoles by June.

The PS3 is pushing 200k per a week in Europe. In NA it sold 460k in Nov and i expect big sales this Dec. In japan they also doing great. The ps3 can make it to 11 million by march or april. LittleBigPlanet ,killzone 2, mgs4, white knight story coming out around that time..

Are you sure about that?

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]it took the 360 untill june to reach that much. but if they get mgs4 out before that, then it seems possiblewhocares4peace

And the 360 had sold 11.6 million consoles by June.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

Paddy345

Well were right with 2 of them, there was an article a while back about how a man saved money by hooking up ps3's to creat one f the world biggest supercomputer. Also if you don't know what 4d is then you must be still at school but you will learn it soon or later there

LMAO, I've moved on past school 12 years ago :lol:

First, a computer is defined by more than just the hardware specs. It's defined by the applications it has (educational, productivity, creativity, business, etc...). Sony's use of labelling the PS3 as a "supercomputer" was done to imply that the machine is more than just a gaming and multimedia device. That it could replace your home desktop PC. And I don't see anybody running Xcel, Quicken, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Premiere, on the PS3. Oh wait, it has a browser too. Wow, that really makes it a "supercomputer".

Yes I am fully aware that 4D is the dimension of time which really only exists as theory in science. But what the hell does that have to do with GAMES? There is no practical application of "4D gaming". There is absolutely no defined term for what would make graphics 4D. Truth is, it is just a fabrication they threw out as a PR gimmickto imply PS3 has some graphical element that goes far beyond what can be found on the competition.

And what's really sad is seeing fanboys defend this notion that Sony concocted with no real notion of how a non-existent feature functions. Seems to me it's you who needs to graduate if you're blindly preaching something you understan nothing of within gaming context.

In actuality, Sony was wrong on ALL THREE statements.

I think its possible, The Ps3 is selling quite well for a 500$ console.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

The_Crucible

All of which is true.

Sony was the top seller for the prior two gens. Making console sales numbers on the PS32 that had never been seen before. Its like (and sorry for the american football analogy) having an NFL season without the Patriots. Everyone would question the victor because they never had to handle the "big guy" on the block.

PS3 IS a super computer. Read a little about folding at home and other ways the cell is being used. It has a ton of power. Just like ALL new technologies, it takes time for all to figure out what and how best it can be used.

4D graphics are possible. Your probably viewing it like most lemmings who don't pay attention. Its isn't a step up from wearing green and red lenses and seeing images pop-out at you. Its about the environments. Imagine playing GTA and its winter. Snow falls, snow melts, ice is created, water runs, etc. It a way to bring a whole new level of realism to gaming.

Don't get it twisted.

umm the 4th dimension is time

umm the ps3 is not a supercomputer it cant even handle Fedora without glitches

and as for the first part, well thats also wrong

[QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

AdobeArtist

Well were right with 2 of them, there was an article a while back about how a man saved money by hooking up ps3's to creat one f the world biggest supercomputer. Also if you don't know what 4d is then you must be still at school but you will learn it soon or later there

LMAO, I've moved on past school 12 years ago :lol:

First, a computer is defined by more than just the hardware specs. It's defined by the applications it has (educational, productivity, creativity, business, etc...). Sony's use of labelling the PS3 as a "supercomputer" was done to imply that the machine is more than just a gaming and multimedia device. That it could replace your home desktop PC. And I don't see anybody running Xcel, Quicken, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Premiere,

Yes I am fully aware that 4D is the dimension of time which really only exists as theory in science. But what the hell does that have to do with GAMES? There is no practical application of "4D gaming". There is absolutely no defined term for what would make graphics 4D. Truth is, it is just a fabrication they threw out as a PR gimmickto imply PS3 has some graphical element that goes far beyond what can be found on the competition.

And what's really sad is seeing fanboys defend this notion that Sony concocted with no real notion of how a non-existent feature functions. Seems to me it's you who needs to graduate if you're blindly preaching something you understan nothing of within gaming context.

In actuality, Sony was wrong on ALL THREE statements.

Yes since it can run linux has the the ability to run many programs such as folding at home and many others. Also if you don't know what 4d is in gaming then i'm gonna say your taking the piss, this was proven a loooong time ago and lemmings haven't used it since cause they were owned on it

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

ParadiddleFill

All of which is true.

Sony was the top seller for the prior two gens. Making console sales numbers on the PS32 that had never been seen before. Its like (and sorry for the american football analogy) having an NFL season without the Patriots. Everyone would question the victor because they never had to handle the "big guy" on the block.

PS3 IS a super computer. Read a little about folding at home and other ways the cell is being used. It has a ton of power. Just like ALL new technologies, it takes time for all to figure out what and how best it can be used.

4D graphics are possible. Your probably viewing it like most lemmings who don't pay attention. Its isn't a step up from wearing green and red lenses and seeing images pop-out at you. Its about the environments. Imagine playing GTA and its winter. Snow falls, snow melts, ice is created, water runs, etc. It a way to bring a whole new level of realism to gaming.

Don't get it twisted.

umm the 4th dimension is time

umm the ps3 is not a supercomputer it cant even handle Fedora without glitches

and as for the first part, well thats also wrong

I have to say this again.

First, a computer is defined by more than just the hardware specs. It's defined by the applications it has (educational, productivity, creativity, business, etc...). Sony's use of labelling the PS3 as a "supercomputer" was done to imply that the machine is more than just a gaming and multimedia device. That it could replace your home desktop PC. And I don't see anybody running Xcel, Quicken, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Premiere, on the PS3. Oh wait, it has a browser too. Wow, that really makes it a "supercomputer".

Yes I am fully aware that 4D is the dimension of time which really only exists as theory in science. But what the hell does that have to do with GAMES? There is no practical application of "4D gaming". There is absolutely no defined term for what would make graphics 4D. Truth is, it is just a fabrication they threw out as a PR gimmickto imply PS3 has some graphical element that goes far beyond what can be found on the competition.

And what's really sad is seeing fanboys defend this notion that Sony concocted with no real notion of how a non-existent feature functions. Seems to me it's you who needs to graduate if you're blindly preaching something you understan nothing of within gaming context.

So what if Sony was the market leader the previous 2 generations? That doesn't change the fact that this gen began on Nov 22 2005 when X360, the 1st of the next gen consoles, released.

In actuality, Sony was wrong on ALL THREE statements.

Yes since it can run linux has the the ability to run many programs such as folding at home and many others. Also if you don't know what 4d is in gaming then i'm gonna say your taking the piss, this was proven a loooong time ago and lemmings haven't used it since cause they were owned on it

Paddy345

If PS3 can't run Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, Flash, Premiere, Xcel, (all the apps my PC are capable of) it doesn't even qualify as regular computer, let alone a supercomputer. It is a gaming and multimedia device, that's it. Again, a PC is defined by it's functionality. Just adding folding @ home alone isn't enough to qualify the functionality of a true computer.

And please, please show me this "proof" of 4D gaming you claim to have.

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

AdobeArtist

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="Paddy345"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

Paddy345

Well were right with 2 of them, there was an article a while back about how a man saved money by hooking up ps3's to creat one f the world biggest supercomputer. Also if you don't know what 4d is then you must be still at school but you will learn it soon or later there

LMAO, I've moved on past school 12 years ago :lol:

First, a computer is defined by more than just the hardware specs. It's defined by the applications it has (educational, productivity, creativity, business, etc...). Sony's use of labelling the PS3 as a "supercomputer" was done to imply that the machine is more than just a gaming and multimedia device. That it could replace your home desktop PC. And I don't see anybody running Xcel, Quicken, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Premiere,

Yes I am fully aware that 4D is the dimension of time which really only exists as theory in science. But what the hell does that have to do with GAMES? There is no practical application of "4D gaming". There is absolutely no defined term for what would make graphics 4D. Truth is, it is just a fabrication they threw out as a PR gimmickto imply PS3 has some graphical element that goes far beyond what can be found on the competition.

And what's really sad is seeing fanboys defend this notion that Sony concocted with no real notion of how a non-existent feature functions. Seems to me it's you who needs to graduate if you're blindly preaching something you understan nothing of within gaming context.

In actuality, Sony was wrong on ALL THREE statements.

Yes since it can run linux has the the ability to run many programs such as folding at home and many others. Also if you don't know what 4d is in gaming then i'm gonna say your taking the piss, this was proven a loooong time ago and lemmings haven't used it since cause they were owned on it

congrats it has the ability to run an open source OS "teh supercompuda"

i guess my 6 year old lab top is a supercomputer as well

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

Truth-slayer

Did you read my replies to the points of "4D gaming" and what defines a computer? :|

AdobeArtist...smacking fools in this thread. lolDreams-Visions

No, he's not. He's wrong. He trying to define what a super computer for himself. Also, he in denial about 4th demension that PS3 can do. To me, he just another PS3 basher who claims he so innocent. Please...:roll:

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]

Its not impossible.

just ery unlikely.

Dreams-Visions

No, it's impossible. For it to be possible, consumers will have to take a Wii attitude towards the PS3. They will not. Wrong pricepoint for that.

What if Sony has another price drop in sight? (I know its VERY UNLIKELY, but its not impossible) A $299 PS3 would sell as well as the Wii imo.

[QUOTE="Truth-slayer"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

AdobeArtist

Did you read my replies to the points of "4D gaming" and what defines a computer? :|

A calculator is a computer. The chip inside your icebox is consider a computer. The world largest supercomputer is a earth simulator. That's all it does. No photoshop, no Quicktime videos. It just simulates the earth. Stop trying to redefined what a supercomputer is.

So basically they are saying they will double their userbase in 4-5 months vs what they did in just over a year.

Yeah, whatever...

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]

Its not impossible.

just ery unlikely.

asdasd

No, it's impossible. For it to be possible, consumers will have to take a Wii attitude towards the PS3. They will not. Wrong pricepoint for that.

What if Sony has another price drop in sight? (I know its VERY UNLIKELY, but its not impossible) A $299 PS3 would sell as well as the Wii imo.

I don't think so, the price has dropped from $599 to $399 and sales still haven't been "that great" Certainly it has sold more, but not what you'd expect given the "sony playstaion" name.

Further more, the software sales for the ps3 minus a few games are garbage.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="Truth-slayer"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

King_of_Sorrow

Did you read my replies to the points of "4D gaming" and what defines a computer? :|

A calculator is a computer. The chip inside your icebox is consider a computer. The world largest supercomputer is a earth simulator. That's all it does. No photoshop, no Quicktime videos. It just simulates the earth. Stop trying to redefined what a supercomputer is.

a supercomputer is defined by its speed of calculations, which average supercomputers can do 200-400terraflops,you would need to add all the ps3s out there and its processing power would only equal 1terraflop

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]

Its not impossible.

just ery unlikely.

asdasd

No, it's impossible. For it to be possible, consumers will have to take a Wii attitude towards the PS3. They will not. Wrong pricepoint for that.

What if Sony has another price drop in sight? (I know its VERY UNLIKELY, but its not impossible) A $299 PS3 would sell as well as the Wii imo.

A $250 PS3 would sell as well as a Wii. Not sure about $300, but you could be right.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

ParadiddleFill

All of which is true.

Sony was the top seller for the prior two gens. Making console sales numbers on the PS32 that had never been seen before. Its like (and sorry for the american football analogy) having an NFL season without the Patriots. Everyone would question the victor because they never had to handle the "big guy" on the block.

PS3 IS a super computer. Read a little about folding at home and other ways the cell is being used. It has a ton of power. Just like ALL new technologies, it takes time for all to figure out what and how best it can be used.

4D graphics are possible. Your probably viewing it like most lemmings who don't pay attention. Its isn't a step up from wearing green and red lenses and seeing images pop-out at you. Its about the environments. Imagine playing GTA and its winter. Snow falls, snow melts, ice is created, water runs, etc. It a way to bring a whole new level of realism to gaming.

Don't get it twisted.

umm the 4th dimension is time

umm the ps3 is not a supercomputer it cant even handle Fedora without glitches

and as for the first part, well thats also wrong

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]AdobeArtist...smacking fools in this thread. lolKing_of_Sorrow

No, he's not. He's wrong. He trying to define what a super computer for himself. Also, he in denial about 4th demension that PS3 can do. To me, he just another PS3 basher who claims he so innocent. Please...:roll:

Computers are completely flexible architecture. I can go into any store, pick among any application of any category (educational, creative, video, business, etc...) and install that on my PC. Consoles are proprietry, in hardware and in software. What ever is made available for a console is what ever the manufacturer allows for it, which comes nowhere to the degree of choices that are out there for real PCs. What is so difficult to understand about that? :|

And again, as for 4D gaming. It is NOT a proven feature. When you look at everything else that has developed in the field, rotoscoping, dynamic lighting and shadows, bump mapping, normal mapping, ragdoll physics, and on an on, THOSE are features that have defined explanation, which have parameters and can be quantified. The same can NOT be said of 4D gaming. It has no parameters to define what exactly it is. And the reason for that is it DOESN'T exist.

All that happened was, Kutaragi made this outlandish statement, and the sony fans looked for ways to define something that isn't there, actually making up the definition as they went along. They have to because there is no source material out there on the subject unlike the aforementioned features I listed before.

I'm not in denial. There IS NO proof of this. None whatsoever beyond the fanboy postings making their own explanation.

So you want to call me a PS3 basher just because I don't buy into the propoganda? I have never made the false statements that "PS3 has no games" or "it will flop this generation". I don't bash it's games, though I had to fairly criticize Lair. I have said many times it is a fine gaming console, but when I don't buy into the delusions of grandeur of the image Kuturagi projected about this, I am a basher? Well if that helps you sleep at night, by all means :roll:

a supercomputer is defined by its speed of calculations, which average supercomputers can do 200-400terraflops,you would need to add all the ps3s out there and its processing power would only equal 1terraflop

ParadiddleFill

I know what a supercomputer is. Also supercomputers 20 years ago is equivalent to the PS3. Did you know that? I'm not here to claim a supercompter must run photoshop or dreamweaver. That's your friend Adobe Artist.

[QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="Truth-slayer"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

ParadiddleFill

Did you read my replies to the points of "4D gaming" and what defines a computer? :|

A calculator is a computer. The chip inside your icebox is consider a computer. The world largest supercomputer is a earth simulator. That's all it does. No photoshop, no Quicktime videos. It just simulates the earth. Stop trying to redefined what a supercomputer is.

a supercomputer is defined by its speed of calculations, which average supercomputers can do 200-400terraflops,you would need to add all the ps3s out there and its processing power would only equal 1terraflop

If all this is true, then the X360 is as much a supercomputer as the PS3 is. I'm going by whether the PS3 as a "supercomputer", can replace my desktop PC for all the functionality I need. Which it can't.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

They also said;

"Next Gen doesn't begin until WE say it does"
"PS3 is a supercomputer"
"PS3 is capable of 4D graphics"

Credibility becomes somewhat questionable.

htekemerald

All of which is true.

Sony was the top seller for the prior two gens. Making console sales numbers on the PS32 that had never been seen before. Its like (and sorry for the american football analogy) having an NFL season without the Patriots. Everyone would question the victor because they never had to handle the "big guy" on the block.

PS3 IS a super computer. Read a little about folding at home and other ways the cell is being used. It has a ton of power. Just like ALL new technologies, it takes time for all to figure out what and how best it can be used.

4D graphics are possible. Your probably viewing it like most lemmings who don't pay attention. Its isn't a step up from wearing green and red lenses and seeing images pop-out at you. Its about the environments. Imagine playing GTA and its winter. Snow falls, snow melts, ice is created, water runs, etc. It a way to bring a whole new level of realism to gaming.

Don't get it twisted.

umm the 4th dimension is time

umm the ps3 is not a supercomputer it cant even handle Fedora without glitches

and as for the first part, well thats also wrong

i dont know what brian greene or some nutcase into string theory has told you

but its a wide notion in the physics community that time is the 4th dimension

and ill take their word over someone who cant even spell dimension

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

a supercomputer is defined by its speed of calculations, which average supercomputers can do 200-400terraflops,you would need to add all the ps3s out there and its processing power would only equal 1terraflop

King_of_Sorrow

I know what a supercomputer is. Also supercomputers 20 years ago is equivalent to the PS3. Did you know that? I'm not here to claim a supercompter must run photoshop or dreamweaver. That's your friend Adobe Artist.

so the ps3 is a supercomputer 20 years ago, its agreed

[QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]AdobeArtist...smacking fools in this thread. lolAdobeArtist

No, he's not. He's wrong. He trying to define what a super computer for himself. Also, he in denial about 4th demension that PS3 can do. To me, he just another PS3 basher who claims he so innocent. Please...:roll:

Computers are completely flexible architecture. I can go into any store, pick among any application of any category (educational, creative, video, business, etc...) and install that on my PC. Consoles are proprietry, in hardware and in software. What ever is made available for a console is what ever the manufacturer allows for it, which comes nowhere to the degree of choices that are out there for real PCs. What is so difficult to understand about that? :|

And again, as for 4D gaming. It is NOT a proven feature. When you look at everything else that has developed in the field, rotoscoping, dynamic lighting and shadows, bump mapping, normal mapping, ragdoll physics, and on an on, THOSE are features that have defined explanation, which have parameters and can be quantified. The same can NOT be said of 4D gaming. It has no parameters to define what exactly it is. And the reason for that is it DOESN'T exist.

All that happened was, Kutaragi made this outlandish statement, and the sony fans looked for ways to define something that isn't there, actually making up the definition as they went along. They have to because there is no source material out there on the subject unlike the aforementioned features I listed before.

I'm not in denial. There IS NO proof of this. None whatsoever beyond the fanboy postings making their own explanation.

So you want to call me a PS3 basher just because I don't buy into the propoganda? I have never made the false statements that "PS3 has no games" or "it will flop this generation". I don't bash it's games, though I had to fairly criticize Lair. I have said many times it is a fine gaming console, but when I don't buy into the delusions of grandeur of the image Kuturagi projected about this, I am a basher? Well if that helps you sleep at night, by all means :roll:

So what's a computer? define it for me again?

Adobe artist said once that all gamers who started gaming with the Ps1 were Noobs, I didn't started gaming with that console but I felt personally insulted, no one has the right to bash others for their tastes in consoles or games...AgentA-Mi6

When did I say that?? :| And I don't bash anybodies choices in their preferred platform. There are plenty of PS3, PC, and Wii gamers in my two unions who I have the utmost respect for.