sony should be sued

for , removal of features ,

seriously,we paid 600 ,, for those inlcuded feature not 300 -whats now theasking price of a stripped downps3 so why should we all proud owners of phat ps3s be ripped apart

i want sony on their knees apologizing on live news make that a public broadcast-on the wiinews channel on msnbc onfoxnews yahoo news and any local state news broadcast ..

for , removal of features ,

seriously,we paid 600 ,, for those inlcuded feature not 300 -whats now theasking price of a stripped downps3 so why should we all proud owners of phat ps3s be ripped apart

i want sony on their knees apologizing on live news make that a public broadcast-on the wiinews channel on msnbc onfoxnews yahoo news and any local state news broadcast ..

Well, they haven't removed ANY of the features I bought the PS3 for, so I don't really care.

MAYBE you bought the PS3 for the wrong reasons :roll:

Someone made this thread 2 or 3 days ago. They were sued, but I doubt they'll lose since they did nothing illegal.

Yes, i agree...We should totally sue them because the lemmings said to :?

Good luck with that homie....I'm just going to enjoy my PS3.

Yes, i agree...We should totally sue them because the lemmings said to :?

hamzah1235

Well, considering the TC's name, I was thinking he's more of a sheep than a Lem.

Someone made this thread 2 or 3 days ago. They were sued, but I doubt they'll lose since they did nothing illegal.

windsquid9000

Well, they haven't removed ANY of the features I bought the PS3 for, so I don't really care.

MAYBE you bought the PS3 for the wrong reasons :roll:

GreenGoblin2099

Same, if i wanted Linux i can install it on my PC.

Well, they haven't removed ANY of the features I bought the PS3 for, so I don't really care.

MAYBE you bought the PS3 for the wrong reasons :roll:

GreenGoblin2099

I think that the wrong attitude to have.

So what your saying is, you don't care simply because the features removed weren't the features that YOU particularly care about.....honestly that sounds rather selfish.

I mean, shouldn't you care on the general principle of consumer rights? Shouldn't you care that big corporations can just arbitrarily crap on people and get away with it?

Seriously, isn't what your saying selfish?

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

Well, they haven't removed ANY of the features I bought the PS3 for, so I don't really care.

MAYBE you bought the PS3 for the wrong reasons :roll:

Persistantthug

I think that the wrong attitude to have.

So what your saying is, you don't care simply because the features removed weren't the features that YOU particularly care about.....honestly that sounds rather selfish.

I mean, shouldn't you care on the general principle of consumer rights? Shouldn't you care that big corporations can just arbitrarily crap on people and get away with it?

Seriously, isn't what your saying selfish?

What is he supposed to care about? I couldn't care less if others are not happy with their PS3 purchase. Return it. Sell it on ebay. Are we supposed to feel sorry for people who regret their purchases when we're happy with them?

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]

Someone made this thread 2 or 3 days ago. They were sued, but I doubt they'll lose since they did nothing illegal.

Cherokee_Jack

lol yeah, but what's scarier is that banning you won't just do it for them, now they have to squeeze the last penny out of you :?

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

Well, they haven't removed ANY of the features I bought the PS3 for, so I don't really care.

MAYBE you bought the PS3 for the wrong reasons :roll:

Persistantthug

I think that the wrong attitude to have.

So what your saying is, you don't care simply because the features removed weren't the features that YOU particularly care about.....honestly that sounds rather selfish.

I mean, shouldn't you care on the general principle of consumer rights? Shouldn't you care that big corporations can just arbitrarily crap on people and get away with it?

Seriously, isn't what your saying selfish?

Not defending Sony's rather lazy and forceful methods but...

Did you ever use or ever planned on using Linux on the PS3, TC?

No offense to you, but the way you usually type (and the oozing ignorance in most of your posts I've seen) does not imply that you are part of the demographic that value the Other OS option, quite the opposite.

Also, Sony is already getting sued. What's the point of this thread telling people that we should burn Sony to the ground?

Also, I find it weird that people are getting all over Sony for this. For one, the Other OS was not in the slim models. This would somewhat bring it even. Additionally, Linux runs like CRAP on the PS3, it may be of use for Cell programming, but you could get better performance from any computer that's less than 5 years old.

Also, do I need to remind you guys that the source of all this, is GeoHot and the pirate community? The PSP was almost put into its grave thanks to those people, you'd think Sony would just let them have their way on their flagship console? Sure it was lazy to remove the feature altogether, but if GeoHot unlocked the RSX in the Other OS function, it would be the end of the PS3 profitability for Sony. People will simply play games from the Other OS.

Piracy is much more potentially hurtful to the PS3 than to the PS1/PS2. This time around, Sony needs every cent of those software sales, especially since they LOSE money on the hardware (until recently), and because of that fact that they are trailing in 3rd place instead of dominating the market like before.

Besides, Sony was kind enough (at least) to allow those who use PS3 networks like the Airforce to keep it. Those people doesn't use them to play games. Locking away PSN and new games is just a way to prevent those who didn't take the update to pirate the console should the scenario mentioned above happens. (Unlocking of the RSX)

My bottomline opinion: If you were serious about Linux, you wouldn't use it on the PS3. If you were serious about Linux ON THE PS3(i.e. Cell programming, Airforce networks), you wouldn't use the PS3 for it's latest games.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="windsquid9000"]

Someone made this thread 2 or 3 days ago. They were sued, but I doubt they'll lose since they did nothing illegal.

lol yeah, but what's scarier is that banning you won't just do it for them, now they have to squeeze the last penny out of you :?

You file that suit and post the results.

You file that suit and post the results.

Wasdie

Interesting you say this,

But I actually called Sony Corp. the day after the removal.

I got escalated several times.

Then finally a week later, someone from their legal department called me and told me to basically STFU and "all your base belong to us"....basically.

I'm really pissed about this and I think that Sony stands a really good chance of losing this since the suit is based in CALIFORNIA. California has been known to side and champion consumer rights.

We'll see.

I got the PS3 to play GAMES not install Linux.

I could already do that on the PC.

Besides only the PS3 FATS had that feature.

PS3 Slim does not. Did people complain when they did that?????

Well actually...

Removing one feature doesn't mean the entire console is stripped down. Christ, you kids are annoying. Now where's my monocle?

for , removal of features ,

seriously,we paid 600 ,, for those inlcuded feature not 300 -whats now theasking price of a stripped downps3 so why should we all proud owners of phat ps3s be ripped apart

i want sony on their knees apologizing on live news make that a public broadcast-on the wiinews channel on msnbc onfoxnews yahoo news and any local state news broadcast ..

for , removal of features ,

seriously,we paid 600 ,, for those inlcuded feature not 300 -whats now theasking price of a stripped downps3 so why should we all proud owners of phat ps3s be ripped apart

i want sony on their knees apologizing on live news make that a public broadcast-on the wiinews channel on msnbc onfoxnews yahoo news and any local state news broadcast ..

I got the PS3 to play GAMES not install Linux.

I could already do that on the PC.

Besides only the PS3 FATS had that feature.

PS3 Slim does not. Did people complain when they did that?????

LegatoSkyheart

You willingly bought your PS3 with no OTHER OS feature, and payed your $300 dollars at the register knowing such.... just as you bought it WITHOUT PS2 backwards compatibility.

I on the other hand purchased my PS3 for $400 at the register and was promised I could use the OTHER OS feature.

I was lied to.....You were not

Huge and fundamental difference between you and I, LegatoSkyheart.

People are still complaining about this.....seriously

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

I got the PS3 to play GAMES not install Linux.

I could already do that on the PC.

Besides only the PS3 FATS had that feature.

PS3 Slim does not. Did people complain when they did that?????

Persistantthug

I was lied to.....You were not

No, you accepted the EULA and continued to use your PS3 instead of rejecting the terms and taking it back for a refund.

You weren't lied to at all.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

I got the PS3 to play GAMES not install Linux.

I could already do that on the PC.

Besides only the PS3 FATS had that feature.

PS3 Slim does not. Did people complain when they did that?????

Persistantthug

You willingly bought your PS3 with no OTHER OS feature, and payed your $300 dollars at the register knowing such.... just as you bought it WITHOUT PS2 backwards compatibility.

I on the other hand purchased my PS3 for $400 at the register and was promised I could use the OTHER OS feature.

I was lied to.....You were not

Huge and fundamental difference between you and I, LegatoSkyheart.

I'm sorry but I'm one of those PS3 FAT users.

and I was not lied to. I read the User Agreements.

You file that suit and post the results.

Wasdie

If someone can sue MS for a few days that XBL doesn't work I can see this working.

for , removal of features ,

seriously,we paid 600 ,, for those inlcuded feature not 300 -whats now theasking price of a stripped downps3 so why should we all proud owners of phat ps3s be ripped apart

i want sony on their knees apologizing on live news make that a public broadcast-on the wiinews channel on msnbc onfoxnews yahoo news and any local state news broadcast ..

mariokart64fan

eh did you ever look at the price of producing those 600 PS3's also the current economic trends.Take away the features that aren needed (BC isnt a necessity FACT its a want) so it was taken out in later models to reduce manufacturing costs and more chance of sony turning a profit.How is that decision silly tie that with the current economic situation its a good one.I could bet any other company would do this if needed to cut their loss yes even MS and Ninty would but their consoles were in a sound position because they used DVD drives which at that time could be bought by the penny.

Also linux was removed because of a hypervisor bypass meaning that if it were to be tampered with it would most likely lead to runnable unsigned code which would lead to piracy Sony dont want that so they plugged the hole simple as day and night.Besides i dont even know a single person who even used this feature.

[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]

for , removal of features ,

seriously,we paid 600 ,, for those inlcuded feature not 300 -whats now theasking price of a stripped downps3 so why should we all proud owners of phat ps3s be ripped apart

i want sony on their knees apologizing on live news make that a public broadcast-on the wiinews channel on msnbc onfoxnews yahoo news and any local state news broadcast ..

monson21502

trophies are tied to your PSN account....you could have called sony and got it repaired and hardware failure happens get over it.My tv died 1 day outwith its warranty last weekend all i did was suck it up and went out and got a new one when i got my student loan **** happens electricals aare a funny thing they can last for 10 years without a problem or just randomly die in 6 months.

My bottomline opinion: If you were serious about Linux, you wouldn't use it on the PS3. If you were serious about Linux ON THE PS3(i.e. Cell programming, Airforce networks), you wouldn't use the PS3 for it's latest games.

RavenLoud

Thinking back to all the hobbyists I knew in high school, the kids in the computer lab who liked to play around with the hardware, learn C++, and create simple games in their spare time, this is EXACTLY the sort of feature that might attract such kids to this console over its competition, even if it were a poor example of a PC running Linux. And wouldn't you know it, every single one of those kids happen to be avid gamers.

You don't have to be "serious" about Linux to use this feature. Maybe you just wanted to test out Linux period, without committing yourself to learning how to dual-boot your PC.

As for the guys at GeoHot, I don't know much about it, but Ihighly doubt getting an OS on the system is the biggest of their technical constraints.

What is he supposed to care about? I couldn't care less if others are not happy with their PS3 purchase. Return it. Sell it on ebay. Are we supposed to feel sorry for people who regret their purchases when we're happy with them?

BigJerm1

I have strong sympathy for people who were deceived into purchasing a fat PS3 at launch under the promises of all of the features that it included but which have since been removed.

This isn't a case of buyer's remorse. This is a case of "bait and switch".

Seriously, probably only about .2% of PS3 owners used that feature anyway

new day, new we should sue ______ topic

Sony and Microsoft both screwed up big time this gen. They are getting dominated by Nintendo's last-gen tech. They should have done more research on how many people actually have HD TVs. The cost of their consoles is not worth it for many people. Also, the 360 is probably the most unreliable console of all time.

Yeah like you're really using the OS part of it.

for , removal of features ,

seriously,we paid 600 ,, for those inlcuded feature not 300 -whats now theasking price of a stripped downps3 so why should we all proud owners of phat ps3s be ripped apart

i want sony on their knees apologizing on live news make that a public broadcast-on the wiinews channel on msnbc onfoxnews yahoo news and any local state news broadcast ..

mariokart64fan

ey no offense but you should be the one getting sued in my eyes for maybe trying to pirate it with the "removed feature" that was suppose to be a security reasoning

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

I got the PS3 to play GAMES not install Linux.

I could already do that on the PC.

Besides only the PS3 FATS had that feature.

PS3 Slim does not. Did people complain when they did that?????

Persistantthug

You willingly bought your PS3 with no OTHER OS feature, and payed your $300 dollars at the register knowing such.... just as you bought it WITHOUT PS2 backwards compatibility.

I on the other hand purchased my PS3 for $400 at the register and was promised I could use the OTHER OS feature.

I was lied to.....You were not

Huge and fundamental difference between you and I, LegatoSkyheart.

[QUOTE="BigJerm1"]

What is he supposed to care about? I couldn't care less if others are not happy with their PS3 purchase. Return it. Sell it on ebay. Are we supposed to feel sorry for people who regret their purchases when we're happy with them?

dkrustyklown

I have strong sympathy for people who were deceived into purchasing a fat PS3 at launch under the promises of all of the features that it included but which have since been removed.

This isn't a case of buyer's remorse. This is a case of "bait and switch".

Sony and Microsoft both screwed up big time this gen. They are getting dominated by Nintendo's last-gen tech. They should have done more research on how many people actually have HD TVs. The cost of their consoles is not worth it for many people. Also, the 360 is probably the most unreliable console of all time.

penumbra13

[QUOTE="Persistantthug"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

I got the PS3 to play GAMES not install Linux.

I could already do that on the PC.

Besides only the PS3 FATS had that feature.

PS3 Slim does not. Did people complain when they did that?????

shawty1984

You willingly bought your PS3 with no OTHER OS feature, and payed your $300 dollars at the register knowing such.... just as you bought it WITHOUT PS2 backwards compatibility.

I on the other hand purchased my PS3 for $400 at the register and was promised I could use the OTHER OS feature.

I was lied to.....You were not...YES HE WAS

Huge and fundamental difference between you and I, LegatoSkyheart.

That is a ridiculous distinction. He either has to give up the Other OS feature or Online play. Both features were promised and advertised and one definitely will be removed. He was therefore lied to, that is common sense.

Oh, and yes he did pay for online multiplayer, when he paid for his PS3. It was a promised well advertised feature of the machine. It is still plastered all over their "It Only Does Everything" advertising campaign.

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="Persistantthug"]

You willingly bought your PS3 with no OTHER OS feature, and payed your $300 dollars at the register knowing such.... just as you bought it WITHOUT PS2 backwards compatibility.

I on the other hand purchased my PS3 for $400 at the register and was promised I could use the OTHER OS feature.

I was lied to.....You were not...YES HE WAS

Huge and fundamental difference between you and I, LegatoSkyheart.

Seiki_sands

That is a ridiculous distinction. He either has to give up the Other OS feature or Online play. Both features were promised and advertised and one definitely will be removed. He was therefore lied to, that is common sense.

Oh, and yes he did pay for online multiplayer, when he paid for his PS3. It was a promised well advertised feature of the machine. It is still plastered all over their "It Only Does Everything" advertising campaign.

99.99% of the people complaining dont even own a PS3

Why would you want linux anyway?

[QUOTE="Seiki_sands"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

Please have some common sense. You can still use otherOS, it has not been removed. What has happend is that if you want to play online, then you need to update, BUT and this is a big but, you have never paid for PSN and it has seperate T%C's to what the PS3 has. Sony has done nothing wrong and you were not lied to.

shawty1984

That is a ridiculous distinction. He either has to give up the Other OS feature or Online play. Both features were promised and advertised and one definitely will be removed. He was therefore lied to, that is common sense.

Oh, and yes he did pay for online multiplayer, when he paid for his PS3. It was a promised well advertised feature of the machine. It is still plastered all over their "It Only Does Everything" advertising campaign.

If PSN were "totally separate from the PS3" then of course Sony would have no right to advertise that if you buy a PS3, you can use it to play games online. If they did make such a claim they would be...LYING.

In order not to be lying when they said such a thing, they would have to qualify by saying, if you agree to our T&C you may be able to play online, but I don't remember that in the commercial, not even in small print.

When you buy a piece of Ikea furniture it has not been put together, but if the pieces aren't in the box you can be fairly sure you'll get your money back, because you were promised those pieces would make a chair.

The legal status of such a T&C (essentially an EULA or Shrinkwrap license) is unclear, it has been challenged in the courts and they have ruled both ways. In my opinion, of course it is a deceptive practice to change an agreement after the point of sale. A sale also includes a contract. I would go so far as to say I think it is insane to suggest changing an agreement after the fact is not clearly deceptive. You are right in thinking he probably won't win in the courts because even if such a contract is a scam, by agreeing to it he forfeited his right to challenge it. You are about as wrong as anyone can be in my opinion in saying that takesy-backsy is not lying just because it is legal.

He was clearly lied to.