Sony should just cede the console market

The PS3 is a failure. It's way too expensive, especially in this current market where everyone is tightening their belts, and it's been losing market share since its release. Also, Sony may never fully recover the cost of the PS3 (it's still selling at a loss, as opposed to the Xbox 360, which breaks even, or the Wii, which generates a small profit for each console sold). Sony's in a pickle, no doubt about it. So what should they do? I propose they cede the market completely.

That's right: I think they should just stop making PS3's and cede the home console market, cut their losses and get out before their lack of profitabilty destroys them. That doesn't mean they have to stop making games, though. Sega's Dreamcast died off, but Sega didn't; it's a pretty successful developer right now, and has released some really nice games (Sonic aside). If Sony announces a refresh of the God of War series, developed for the 360 (and begins work on bringing GoW3 to the 360) it could help boost the 360 enough to perhaps compete with the Wii.

If Sony leaves the market now, it'll be OK. Sure, it's wasted a lot of money on the piece of junk also called the Playstation 3, but Sony's not a game company like Nintendo, who could've well gone out of business if the Wii had failed. Sony also has its computer line (VAIO's etc) and its TV line (the Bravia). They're still profitable, not to mention it owns the only hi-def format, the Blu-Ray, which although it isn't selling so well right now, is a potential cash cow in the future. So, Sony could afford to pull out. Sure, it'll hurt in the short run, but they'll be glad in the long run not to have that money-hemmoraging albatross around their neck

No cause regardless of my stance on the war i still own a ps3 and 360 *recently sold my wii* if any thing wii is the one that needs to disapear and nintendo with it since they will keep doing what they do and cause another video game crash cause of all the shovel ware on their system.

I like the adjectives in that last sentence lol. But really, it can only get better with the PS3. The PS3 bottomed out at launch, with that hefty price tag and basically no games. There's no way to go but up. Eventually, perhaps early-mid 2009, they will start to make profit off their hardware. And maybe they'll come with a price cut mid-late 2009 while still profiting. Plus with all the games coming out, they are in too deep anyways.blazndragon0

I'm afraid I'll have to respectfully disagree there, blazndragon0. I don't think that the PS3 has "nowhere to go but up", mainly because they haven't gone up, they've gone down. We'll see I suppose, and you're right, with all the games coming out they are in very deep, but I still believe pulling out would be the least painful way for them to gracefully end the PS3's life, which is on life-support anyway.

I think what we'll see in 2009 is the entire collapse of the PS3 structure. The games will do OK. They won't be amazing, but they won't sell the kind of units that can sustain a console. In 2010, we'll see a precipitous drop in games as developers begin to shun the money-losing PS3. Third-party exclusives will vanish, and multiplatforms will start to shift to developed-for-360, ported to PS3. The PS3 might recieve a much-needed price cut, perhaps bringing the low-end PS3 down to $350 or even $300, still not enough to revive the PS3's fortunes.

Eventually, much like the Dreamcast, Sony's in-house game development division will begin to develop games for other consoles (such as porting God of War 3 to the Xbox 360). That would spell the beginning of the end, as it would indicate that Sony is preparing the PS3 for the graveyard. Finally, by late 2010, the PS3 begins its death spiral. Massive price cuts on the order of $100 in order to shift inventory begins (whee! PS3 for $200?! Oh wait, it's going to be discontinued? Booo!). Finally, by Feb. 2011, Sony announces in a press conference that the Playstation line has been terminated. Development for the PS4 has been halted.

[QUOTE="blazndragon0"]I like the adjectives in that last sentence lol. But really, it can only get better with the PS3. The PS3 bottomed out at launch, with that hefty price tag and basically no games. There's no way to go but up. Eventually, perhaps early-mid 2009, they will start to make profit off their hardware. And maybe they'll come with a price cut mid-late 2009 while still profiting. Plus with all the games coming out, they are in too deep anyways.Opalescent

I'm afraid I'll have to respectfully disagree there, blazndragon0. I don't think that the PS3 has "nowhere to go but up", mainly because they haven't gone up, they've gone down. We'll see I suppose, and you're right, with all the games coming out they are in very deep, but I still believe pulling out would be the least painful way for them to gracefully end the PS3's life, which is on life-support anyway.

I think what we'll see in 2009 is the entire collapse of the PS3 structure. The games will do OK. They won't be amazing, but they won't sell the kind of units that can sustain a console. In 2010, we'll see a precipitous drop in games as developers begin to shun the money-losing PS3. Third-party exclusives will vanish, and multiplatforms will start to shift to developed-for-360, ported to PS3. The PS3 might recieve a much-needed price cut, perhaps bringing the low-end PS3 down to $350 or even $300, still not enough to revive the PS3's fortunes.

Eventually, much like the Dreamcast, Sony's in-house game development division will begin to develop games for other consoles (such as porting God of War 3 to the Xbox 360). That would spell the beginning of the end, as it would indicate that Sony is preparing the PS3 for the graveyard. Finally, by late 2010, the PS3 begins its death spiral. Massive price cuts on the order of $100 in order to shift inventory begins (whee! PS3 for $200?! Oh wait, it's going to be discontinued? Booo!). Finally, by Feb. 2011, Sony announces in a press conference that the Playstation line has been terminated. Development for the PS4 has been halted.

The PS3 is a failure. It's way too expensive, especially in this current market where everyone is tightening their belts, and it's been losing market share since its release. Also, Sony may never fully recover the cost of the PS3 (it's still selling at a loss, as opposed to the Xbox 360, which breaks even, or the Wii, which generates a small profit for each console sold). Sony's in a pickle, no doubt about it. So what should they do? I propose they cede the market completely.

That's right: I think they should just stop making PS3's and cede the home console market, cut their losses and get out before their lack of profitabilty destroys them. That doesn't mean they have to stop making games, though. Sega's Dreamcast died off, but Sega didn't; it's a pretty successful developer right now, and has released some really nice games (Sonic aside). If Sony announces a refresh of the God of War series, developed for the 360 (and begins work on bringing GoW3 to the 360) it could help boost the 360 enough to perhaps compete with the Wii.

If Sony leaves the market now, it'll be OK. Sure, it's wasted a lot of money on the piece of junk also called the Playstation 3, but Sony's not a game company like Nintendo, who could've well gone out of business if the Wii had failed. Sony also has its computer line (VAIO's etc) and its TV line (the Bravia). They're still profitable, not to mention it owns the only hi-def format, the Blu-Ray, which although it isn't selling so well right now, is a potential cash cow in the future. So, Sony could afford to pull out. Sure, it'll hurt in the short run, but they'll be glad in the long run not to have that money-hemmoraging albatross around their neck

Opalescent

You really believe that?

Sorry fanboy, but Sony is doing tremendously well so far. PS3 is a huge success since it helped blu-ray win, and just wait till the release of Killzone 2. Also the Playstation family is beating the heck out of the Wii and 360. runbleduck

It's a lose / lose situation for Sony. They either drop out now and embarris themselves even further in the process or carry on the way there going an eventually get totally bankrupt. The first option is less painful but they lose either way. PS3 killed Sony.Dahaka-UK

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]It's a lose / lose situation for Sony. They either drop out now and embarris themselves even further in the process or carry on the way there going an eventually get totally bankrupt. The first option is less painful but they lose either way. PS3 killed Sony.Ragashahs

well nintendo lost 2 gens a row and won this gen

so clearly sony should not drop out

Do you guys understand that the very fact that Sony is MORE than just a gaming company is MORE reason for them to ditch the game market? Unlike Nintendo, which completely relies on the gaming industry, Sony can ditch the PS and still survive. Tons of other companies did it. Philips, for example...remember the CD-i?

MS didn't quit because they EXPECTED to lose money on the original XBOX. It was all part of the grand plan...get their foot in the door at a loss with the XBOX, then make a comeback with the 360. And, so far, it's working as planned. I'm sure the 360 was a failure, MS would have been looking for a way out.

You think Sony planned on LOSING money with the PS3? Hell no...they and their investors expected to turn a profit almost immediately.

I'd be surprised if a PS4 came out. I don't think the PS3 will die anytime soon, but I think this is the last hurrah for Sony's gaming division.

If Sony left the console market that would leave just Nintendo and Microsoft, which might as well be as bad as a monopoly.

You want to be ripped off on everything because there is no choice?

Do you guys understand that the very fact that Sony is MORE than just a gaming company is MORE reason for them to ditch the game market? Unlike Nintendo, which completely relies on the gaming industry, Sony can ditch the PS and still survive. Tons of other companies did it. Philips, for example...remember the CD-i?

MS didn't quit because they EXPECTED to lose money on the original XBOX. It was all part of the grand plan...get their foot in the door at a loss with the XBOX, then make a comeback with the 360. And, so far, it's working as planned. I'm sure the 360 was a failure, MS would have been looking for a way out.

You think Sony planned on LOSING money with the PS3? Hell no...they and their investors expected to turn a profit almost immediately.

I'd be surprised if a PS4 came out. I don't think the PS3 will die anytime soon, but I think this is the last hurrah for Sony's gaming division.

edward2332

If Sony left the console market that would leave just Nintendo and Microsoft, which might as well be as bad as a monopoly.

You want to be ripped off on everything because there is no choice?

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="edward2332"]

Do you guys understand that the very fact that Sony is MORE than just a gaming company is MORE reason for them to ditch the game market? Unlike Nintendo, which completely relies on the gaming industry, Sony can ditch the PS and still survive. Tons of other companies did it. Philips, for example...remember the CD-i?

MS didn't quit because they EXPECTED to lose money on the original XBOX. It was all part of the grand plan...get their foot in the door at a loss with the XBOX, then make a comeback with the 360. And, so far, it's working as planned. I'm sure the 360 was a failure, MS would have been looking for a way out.

You think Sony planned on LOSING money with the PS3? Hell no...they and their investors expected to turn a profit almost immediately.

I'd be surprised if a PS4 came out. I don't think the PS3 will die anytime soon, but I think this is the last hurrah for Sony's gaming division.

Panther501

Trolls... have changed...GodofBigMacs

LOL...are you kidding me? Yes, they expected to lose money. I'm not even going to bother explaining this simplest of concepts to you. edward2332

[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]Trolls... have changed...st1ka

[QUOTE="edward2332"]LOL...are you kidding me? Yes, they expected to lose money. I'm not even going to bother explaining this simplest of concepts to you. GodofBigMacs

Do you guys understand that the very fact that Sony is MORE than just a gaming company is MORE reason for them to ditch the game market? Unlike Nintendo, which completely relies on the gaming industry, Sony can ditch the PS and still survive. Tons of other companies did it. Philips, for example...remember the CD-i?

MS didn't quit because they EXPECTED to lose money on the original XBOX. It was all part of the grand plan...get their foot in the door at a loss with the XBOX, then make a comeback with the 360. And, so far, it's working as planned. I'm sure the 360 was a failure, MS would have been looking for a way out.

You think Sony planned on LOSING money with the PS3? Hell no...they and their investors expected to turn a profit almost immediately.

I'd be surprised if a PS4 came out. I don't think the PS3 will die anytime soon, but I think this is the last hurrah for Sony's gaming division.

edward2332

So your telling me they were unaware of selling the console at a $200 loss for each unit:?

It's a lose / lose situation for Sony. They either drop out now and embarris themselves even further in the process or carry on the way there going an eventually get totally bankrupt. The first option is less painful but they lose either way. PS3 killed Sony.Dahaka-UK

...You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?

The PS3 is a failure. It's way too expensive, especially in this current market where everyone is tightening their belts, and it's been losing market share since its release. Also, Sony may never fully recover the cost of the PS3 (it's still selling at a loss, as opposed to the Xbox 360, which breaks even, or the Wii, which generates a small profit for each console sold). Sony's in a pickle, no doubt about it. So what should they do? I propose they cede the market completely.

That's right: I think they should just stop making PS3's and cede the home console market, cut their losses and get out before their lack of profitabilty destroys them. That doesn't mean they have to stop making games, though. Sega's Dreamcast died off, but Sega didn't; it's a pretty successful developer right now, and has released some really nice games (Sonic aside). If Sony announces a refresh of the God of War series, developed for the 360 (and begins work on bringing GoW3 to the 360) it could help boost the 360 enough to perhaps compete with the Wii.

If Sony leaves the market now, it'll be OK. Sure, it's wasted a lot of money on the piece of junk also called the Playstation 3, but Sony's not a game company like Nintendo, who could've well gone out of business if the Wii had failed. Sony also has its computer line (VAIO's etc) and its TV line (the Bravia). They're still profitable, not to mention it owns the only hi-def format, the Blu-Ray, which although it isn't selling so well right now, is a potential cash cow in the future. So, Sony could afford to pull out. Sure, it'll hurt in the short run, but they'll be glad in the long run not to have that money-hemmoraging albatross around their neck

Opalescent

Do you guys understand that the very fact that Sony is MORE than just a gaming company is MORE reason for them to ditch the game market? Unlike Nintendo, which completely relies on the gaming industry, Sony can ditch the PS and still survive. Tons of other companies did it. Philips, for example...remember the CD-i?

MS didn't quit because they EXPECTED to lose money on the original XBOX. It was all part of the grand plan...get their foot in the door at a loss with the XBOX, then make a comeback with the 360. And, so far, it's working as planned. I'm sure the 360 was a failure, MS would have been looking for a way out.

You think Sony planned on LOSING money with the PS3? Hell no...they and their investors expected to turn a profit almost immediately.

I'd be surprised if a PS4 came out. I don't think the PS3 will die anytime soon, but I think this is the last hurrah for Sony's gaming division.

edward2332

Wait, Sony didn't plan on losing money?

So THAT must be why they put a console out on retail for $600 when it ran them $900 right?

They TOTALLY weren't expecting to lose money guys!

Sorry fanboy, but Sony is doing tremendously well so far. PS3 is a huge success since it helped blu-ray win, and just wait till the release of Killzone 2. Also the Playstation family is beating the heck out of the Wii and 360. runbleduck

I don't know which is worse. The TC's opening statement or this reply. And the fact that you had to use SDF's "sony family" tactic just shows that PS3 on it's own, within it's generation, doesn't stand up to the competition.

Hell if you are going to go by "families", then the Nintendo Family is still kicking the PS family clear across the neighborhood :|

If Sony is going to die because of the PS3, I want them to atleast die fighting and not wave the white flag of surrender.one_on_one

This thread is FLAMEBAIT!

That OP was the silliest, yet lamest attempt at a post Ive seen in a while. If you, opal, really meant that in your OP. then I will combat your logic with a truth, one that shall end this thread.

THE ORIGINAL XBOX (my fave) was a FAILURE, much more so than the PS3, yet because it lived long enough, we got a 360 because of it. Who's to say Sony won't do this with the PS4?

Sorry TC, you lose. Of course, you abandoned this thread a long while ago, but :

ThisTHREAD is DEAD, ZED.

gtfo thats right I am telling you to get the f out of your own threadAfro_Samurai1

FloppyJim a fav poster of yours?

What you don't realize is that Sony's primary focus, being a Japanese company, is Japan.

The PS3 and PSP are BOTH doing fairly well in Japan, especially the PSP.

Sony's gaming division isn't going anywhere. The worst case scenario would probably be the PS4 not being released in the United STates.

(This post isn't just to the TP).